Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
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03/26/2019 08:37 AM EST
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Mongols invaded Arab empires one after another. So maybe she is arabian from some perspective.

Hypothetically she could be some kind of Arabian royalty in specific circumstances. Near east had people that actually have strong asian influence in apperance in some cases.

Kitana asian look very fitting to her in my opinion.

That would only make sense if she was known to be from that part of Earthrealm. But she isn't. She's Edenian - a fantasy group of human-like beings from a different realm.

I don't think it has ever been explicitly stated that Edenians descend from, or are inspired by, any particular Earth nation or tribe.

I understand it's annoying that they keep changing the ethnicity of the Edenian characters - however, due to there being no consistency or established lore... Edenians (or Kitana in particular) don't have to be a specific one.

I do wish they would pick one and stick to it, and like everyone else I have my own preferences. This new design possibly been the best I've seen her - at least face/body type. While her outfit looks good, it's not her best, and as I've posted in another thread it looks too similar to Skarlet's.

i realize this, i meant in the sense where are supposedly character designers were coming from

by the way.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luCoq37Lg64

Sindel obviously asian here.

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03/26/2019 08:57 AM EST

Whoever the actress is that is playing Jasmine in the live action Aladdin movie, she’d make a good Kitana.

And again, Kitana, Jade, Tanya, Sindel are all Edenian. They are not earth humans.

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03/26/2019 11:18 AM EST
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Whoever the actress is that is playing Jasmine in the live action Aladdin movie, she’d make a good Kitana.

And again, Kitana, Jade, Tanya, Sindel are all Edenian. They are not earth humans.

And so is Rain,

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
03/26/2019 11:23 AM EST

This is the best Kitana look. They had the right idea and should have stuck with it. Sort of a J-Lo insipired look.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
03/26/2019 12:03 PM EST

The only reason we have this confusion is because while the original concepts for characters like Kitana and Sub-Zero were clearly supposed to be Asian/Asian-inspired, the actors cast for game sprites and movie appearances were not. Over the years they seemed to lean toward visual consistency over story consistency. MKX took a partial step toward bringing those characters back home, and now they seem to have made the full commitment.

It's a welcome adjustment to me. I don't mind seeing Edenians being a little ethnically ambiguous, but seeing Kitana go back to her Tobias roots is something I can appreciate. As much as people fawn over all things Tobias, I'm a little surprised that this adjustment has been so controversial.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
03/26/2019 02:38 PM EST
03/26/2019 02:47 PM EST
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Whoever the actress is that is playing Jasmine in the live action Aladdin movie, she’d make a good Kitana.

And again, Kitana, Jade, Tanya, Sindel are all Edenian. They are not earth humans.

That's like saying someone is an Earthling therefore that is their only ethnicity despite there being all different skin colors and cultures within Earth.

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Likely because due to all the inconsistency over the years, people have built an expectation or preference in their own mind for which incarnation they feel better suits the character. I still maintain theming Edenians after Arabic culture would have been a better fit.

But whatever. Not like it matter anyway Edenian doesn't even exist so who cares? We're likely going to be seeing militarized Earthrealm and Outworld till MK16.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
03/26/2019 03:31 PM EST

NRS has always been a bit strange when it comes to the ethnicity of certain characters both from Earthrealm and Edenia. Look at Sub Zero in his MK2 ending versus Sub Zero in MK3. The former has more tanned skin and Asian features, while the latter is pale skinned, with Caucasian features and both are meant to be Kuai Liang.

We can try to search for canon story reasons and use the term Edenian as a way to separate these clearly human looking characters from Earthrealm ethnicities but at the end of the day, they were obviously creative decisions.

It’s unfortunate though, as now some people think Kitana should be white, some think she should look more Latin, some think Arabian, and some think Asian. It’s really kind of strange that they did this with certain characters, but I think they’re now finally trying to get it right.

Though Kitana comes from Edenia, her features are decidedly Asian in appearance. Jade’s are more middle eastern, perhaps Indian. I get the feeling that this stuff didn’t matter to them as much in the 90’s, but it matters now and I get the feeling they’ll be a bit more consistent in this regard going forward, but who knows.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
03/27/2019 02:16 PM EST
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Came across this on Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/p/BpnGA4Zgb1D/?utm_source=ig_share_sheet&igshid=1fxn6u83luhkc

After looking at her other pictures, I think this Demi Rose girl would make a good model for Kitana.

she's ok but NRS can't scan female faces so well something always bugged me about Kitana's in mkx it was like her head was widen or something it was off to me so i hated using her Royal Variation even with it being how she usually played in the previous game, Mileena oddly had a much prettier face then her even with her teeth and Jacqui had a odd but pretty face then her

with that being said i'm tired of them ruining her damn hair she looked amazing with it long not the stiffness that it was in mk9 but i loved it long, yet so many people made fun of the hair or the graphics or whatever that her tournament outfit in mkx annoyed me that her hair was suddenly shorter and had that band thing at the very bottom

Look at Skarlet in MK11..

Her face is so stunningly good.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
04/24/2019 09:57 AM EST

Becky Gable is American, not Latin.

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04/24/2019 04:26 PM EST

I am an Asian female and I was so happy to see Kitana as Asian, she even looks ASIAN and not White/ Asian as most people want to portray. Sometimes i feel like Western culture shuffles Asian people into the same category as them and this really annoys me, the majority of Asians will have larger nostrils and slanty eyes...this is a fact. There may be outliers but they are not the majority. I get that this game is a fantasy but i breathed a huge sigh of relief when i saw some of my peoples looking like themselves again!

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04/24/2019 04:39 PM EST
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I am an Asian female and I was so happy to see Kitana as Asian, she even looks ASIAN and not White/ Asian as most people want to portray. Sometimes i feel like Western culture shuffles Asian people into the same category as them and this really annoys me, the majority of Asians will have larger nostrils and slanty eyes...this is a fact. There may be outliers but they are not the majority. I get that this game is a fantasy but i breathed a huge sigh of relief when i saw some of my peoples looking like themselves again!

Yeah except Kitana isn’t Asian. She isn’t even from Earth, which is why it’s weird and random she looks like that in MK11

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
04/24/2019 11:05 PM EST
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I am an Asian female and I was so happy to see Kitana as Asian, she even looks ASIAN and not White/ Asian as most people want to portray. Sometimes i feel like Western culture shuffles Asian people into the same category as them and this really annoys me, the majority of Asians will have larger nostrils and slanty eyes...this is a fact. There may be outliers but they are not the majority. I get that this game is a fantasy but i breathed a huge sigh of relief when i saw some of my peoples looking like themselves again!

Yeah except Kitana isn’t Asian. She isn’t even from Earth, which is why it’s weird and random she looks like that in MK11

She is Asian-inspired so no it's not weird that she looks like that. If "not being from Earth" is your argument, why is the way she looked like before not weird then? By that logic, she should look like this:

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/07/2019 08:49 PM EST

By right Kitana face support to be eurasian. So better to be that why because she is from different world same as her sister jade. She is pretty in both mk 10 and mk 11, but i don't like is small or almost flat-chested to me. That is my opinion and my type is curvy fitness like in mk 10 got a nice ass and breasts.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/07/2019 11:23 PM EST
Funny you say that. Her name is Naomi Scott, she's British, and she played the Pink ranger in the new Power Rangers remake (she had a mma-style fight scenes) and will be in the new Charlie Angels movie . With that said, I think they did a great job with the Asian look. According to Kitana's Wikipedia page she was inspired by a lot of Asian concepts. But I mean, since MKII and even in the first movie, the designers chose Latinashe's always had a Latina ethnicity to sell her look as exotic and even though Asian is still considered exotic I'm shocked they changed her ethniticity. They might as well made Sonya black or Asian. I think she was played by two Latina actresses in Conquest and an Asian actress in Legacy (if my MK lore serves md correctly, everyone in the original MK1 game was Asian in concept and story except Cage and Sonya and Goro).
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Whoever the actress is that is playing Jasmine in the live action Aladdin movie, she’d make a good Kitana.

And again, Kitana, Jade, Tanya, Sindel are all Edenian. They are not earth humans.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/08/2019 05:02 PM EST
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Y'know it's really irritating that people are referencing the MK movie as the correct appearances of these characters. The movie was entertaining, but it was a HUGE departure from the games AND I felt some of the casting didn't really fit. THIS is what Kitana is supposed to look like. END OF STORY!

I totally Agree with you.
Also, this is what SUB-ZERO is supposed to look like. END OF STORY!

I hope you meant by his face,because his outfit looks terrible.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/16/2019 11:58 AM EST
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I hope you meant by his face,because his outfit looks terrible.

Yes, I meant his face, obviously. As the story goes the Sub-Zero brothers were kidnapped from white American parents and they were raised by Lin Kuei. They were not supposed to be Asians at all.

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05/17/2019 07:40 AM EST
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I hope you meant by his face,because his outfit looks terrible.

Yes, I meant his face, obviously. As the story goes the Sub-Zero brothers were kidnapped from white American parents and they were raised by Lin Kuei. They were not supposed to be Asians at all.

Was Cyrax kidnapped as well?

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/17/2019 08:01 AM EST
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Yes, I meant his face, obviously. As the story goes the Sub-Zero brothers were kidnapped from white American parents and they were raised by Lin Kuei. They were not supposed to be Asians at all.

Sub-Zero is Chinese-American. So, you're wrong. Kind of ironic, don't ya' think, [SUB-ZERO?

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/18/2019 06:38 AM EST
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I hope you meant by his face,because his outfit looks terrible.

Yes, I meant his face, obviously. As the story goes the Sub-Zero brothers were kidnapped from white American parents and they were raised by Lin Kuei. They were not supposed to be Asians at all.

The Sub-Zero's were kidnapped by their father from their presumably white american mother.

dguiarsuisso

Was Cyrax kidnapped as well?

Yes. Most Lin Kuei warriors were kidnapped as children.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/18/2019 09:24 AM EST
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Sub-Zero is Chinese-American. So, you're wrong. Kind of ironic, don't ya' think, [SUB-ZERO?

Source?

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/18/2019 09:21 PM EST
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Sub-Zero is Chinese-American. So, you're wrong. Kind of ironic, don't ya' think, [SUB-ZERO?

Source?

We all know how much you froth at the mouth over anything white male oriented, but here you go, From Wikipedia (with foot notes to sources so you don't use the lazy "I don't believe anything on Wikipeida."):

"Sub-Zero was first conceived by Mortal Kombat co-creator John Tobias as a mysterious character named simply "Ninja".[33] According to Richard Divizio, the Lin Kuei idea was his input back at the very beginning of the development, in the project that had been cancelled by Midway Games before being restarted later, and in which "originally John [Tobias] had Japanese ninjas".[34] Tobias wrote this inspiration came from the controversial book The Chinese Ninja Connection by Li Hsing, which "posits historical evidence for the existence of the Lin Kuei and their influence on the Japanese ninja. I was aware of there being some controversy about the author’s claims. So when we split the character in two for palette swaps, I thought it would be fitting that one was of Chinese origin and the other Japanese to kind of embody the argument."[35] According to Tobias, the original "Hunter&Hunted concept was going [to be] about a ninja escaping from his clan and hunted by another member. We used that later for SZ in MK3."[36] Daniel Pesina recalled Tobias' idea involved two ninja brothers, one of whom "wants to lead the clan, so he kills the father who is their teacher".[34] [...]

The character has primarily been portrayed or voiced by non-Asian actors.[38] Midway Games later explained Sub-Zero's rather occidental appearance for a Chinese assassin by giving him a white mother. According to this new backstory, his father had a wife, two sons, and a daughter while he lived in America to hide his personal role as an assassin for the Lin Kuei."[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Zero_(Mortal_Kombat)#Design,_portrayal_and_gameplay

I mean even going all the way back to his official ending in MK2 he appears Asian.

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/19/2019 11:18 AM EST
05/19/2019 11:59 AM EST
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Sub-Zero is Chinese-American. So, you're wrong. Kind of ironic, don't ya' think, [SUB-ZERO?

Source?

We all know how much you froth at the mouth over anything white male oriented, but here you go, From Wikipedia (with foot notes to sources so you don't use the lazy "I don't believe anything on Wikipeida."):

"Sub-Zero was first conceived by Mortal Kombat co-creator John Tobias as a mysterious character named simply "Ninja".[33] According to Richard Divizio, the Lin Kuei idea was his input back at the very beginning of the development, in the project that had been cancelled by Midway Games before being restarted later, and in which "originally John [Tobias] had Japanese ninjas".[34] Tobias wrote this inspiration came from the controversial book The Chinese Ninja Connection by Li Hsing, which "posits historical evidence for the existence of the Lin Kuei and their influence on the Japanese ninja. I was aware of there being some controversy about the author’s claims. So when we split the character in two for palette swaps, I thought it would be fitting that one was of Chinese origin and the other Japanese to kind of embody the argument."[35] According to Tobias, the original "Hunter&Hunted concept was going [to be] about a ninja escaping from his clan and hunted by another member. We used that later for SZ in MK3."[36] Daniel Pesina recalled Tobias' idea involved two ninja brothers, one of whom "wants to lead the clan, so he kills the father who is their teacher".[34] [...]

The character has primarily been portrayed or voiced by non-Asian actors.[38] Midway Games later explained Sub-Zero's rather occidental appearance for a Chinese assassin by giving him a white mother. According to this new backstory, his father had a wife, two sons, and a daughter while he lived in America to hide his personal role as an assassin for the Lin Kuei."[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Zero_(Mortal_Kombat)#Design,_portrayal_and_gameplay

I mean even going all the way back to his official ending in MK2 he appears Asian.

Does he?
Oh, the good old Wikipedia...
However, instead of words, I will show you visual facts which can't be denied.

From the beginning, through all these years he was portrayed as a white guy, through and through. You can argue with that all you want but anyone who has a pair of eyeballs can see it. And not just that, but he even had blue eyes... :\
You want to bring up the story? Sure. Everything could be explained and/or justified, but the fact remains that he was portrayed as white through all these years. If they didn't change him for so long, why are they changing him now? It's so obvious that because of the diversity politics.
And the same can be said about Kitana...

ps: That ending in MK2 with Joshua Tsui, every oldschool MK fan knows that it was a last minute job. They needed a face for his ending, Daniel Pesina could not give his face twice because he already acted as Johnny Cage, so they quickly put Josh in the ninja costume and made a quick ending. The fact that Josh was Asian was just a simple coincidence. That's why SZ remained white in MK3, MKMSZ, MK4, MKDA etc...

Or if you want to bring up MK2 SZ ending as some proof, then let's bring up Scorpion's MK1 ending too...

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05/19/2019 01:52 PM EST

Even the source said it itself... he was originally Asian but later made white.

Yet he has always been played by a white guy until Legacy sought to closely correct the ethnicities.

That's called racist and sexist politics aka ethnocentric white male politics. Don't believe me? See Mortal Kombat 1, Origins of Sonya Blade. (Hint... she didn't start out a She and definitely wasn't white either).

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/19/2019 03:09 PM EST
05/19/2019 03:14 PM EST
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Sub-Zero is Chinese-American. So, you're wrong. Kind of ironic, don't ya' think, [SUB-ZERO?

Source?

We all know how much you froth at the mouth over anything white male oriented, but here you go, From Wikipedia (with foot notes to sources so you don't use the lazy "I don't believe anything on Wikipeida."):

"Sub-Zero was first conceived by Mortal Kombat co-creator John Tobias as a mysterious character named simply "Ninja".[33] According to Richard Divizio, the Lin Kuei idea was his input back at the very beginning of the development, in the project that had been cancelled by Midway Games before being restarted later, and in which "originally John [Tobias] had Japanese ninjas".[34] Tobias wrote this inspiration came from the controversial book The Chinese Ninja Connection by Li Hsing, which "posits historical evidence for the existence of the Lin Kuei and their influence on the Japanese ninja. I was aware of there being some controversy about the author’s claims. So when we split the character in two for palette swaps, I thought it would be fitting that one was of Chinese origin and the other Japanese to kind of embody the argument."[35] According to Tobias, the original "Hunter&Hunted concept was going [to be] about a ninja escaping from his clan and hunted by another member. We used that later for SZ in MK3."[36] Daniel Pesina recalled Tobias' idea involved two ninja brothers, one of whom "wants to lead the clan, so he kills the father who is their teacher".[34] [...]

The character has primarily been portrayed or voiced by non-Asian actors.[38] Midway Games later explained Sub-Zero's rather occidental appearance for a Chinese assassin by giving him a white mother. According to this new backstory, his father had a wife, two sons, and a daughter while he lived in America to hide his personal role as an assassin for the Lin Kuei."[39]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sub-Zero_(Mortal_Kombat)#Design,_portrayal_and_gameplay

I mean even going all the way back to his official ending in MK2 he appears Asian.

Does he?
Oh, the good old Wikipedia...
However, instead of words, I will show you visual facts which can't be denied.

From the beginning, through all these years he was portrayed as a white guy, through and through. You can argue with that all you want but anyone who has a pair of eyeballs can see it. And not just that, but he even had blue eyes... :\
You want to bring up the story? Sure. Everything could be explained and/or justified, but the fact remains that he was portrayed as white through all these years. If they didn't change him for so long, why are they changing him now? It's so obvious that because of the diversity politics.
And the same can be said about Kitana...

ps: That ending in MK2 with Joshua Tsui, every oldschool MK fan knows that it was a last minute job. They needed a face for his ending, Daniel Pesina could not give his face twice because he already acted as Johnny Cage, so they quickly put Josh in the ninja costume and made a quick ending. The fact that Josh was Asian was just a simple coincidence. That's why SZ remained white in MK3, MKMSZ, MK4, MKDA etc...

Or if you want to bring up MK2 SZ ending as some proof, then let's bring up Scorpion's MK1 ending too...

LOL. You're a joke. You say a picture from the game doesn't count and then post close to a dozen pictures from the games. The man who created Sub-Zero himself, John Tobias, is quoted as saying he is of Chinese decent, but somehow you're more of an authority on the matter? What's it like living with your head so far up your own ass you can see out of of your mouth?

He's Chinese. He's always been Chinese (at least half, with a white mother). I'm sorry you're a xenophobe and can't accept that.

Learn what whitewashing is. Especially as it applies to the media.

Have fun listening to this while you bend over backwards trying to untangle your contradictions. It's from 1994.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVIpnoptwSQ

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RE: Kitana of Asian Ethnicity in MK11
05/19/2019 03:17 PM EST
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Even the source said it itself... he was originally Asian but later made white.

Yet he has always been played by a white guy until Legacy sought to closely correct the ethnicities.

That's called racist and sexist politics aka ethnocentric white male politics. Don't believe me? See Mortal Kombat 1, Origins of Sonya Blade. (Hint... she didn't start out a She and definitely wasn't white either).

Ethnocentric white male politics? Are you kidding me??? :O
Let's check this in practice. MK11 has 2 white male playable characters, Johnny Cage and Kano. Ok, three if we count in Erron Black. And it also has two white female playable characters, Sonya and Cassie. three if we count in Frost (but I'm not sure about her). So at best the MK11 has 6 playable white characters out of 25!!! While at the same time the main demographics of MK players are white kids (North America, Europe and Australia)...

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