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QueenAhnka
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04/12/2019 11:48 PM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

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04/12/2019 11:57 PM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

Really, I feel that extends to just about all the female characters to be honest. Jade is a fox, and she looks incredible in ALL of her costumes for starters. Kitana is looking absolutely right this time around.

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04/13/2019 12:08 AM (UTC)Edited 04/13/2019 12:19 AM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

I have absolutely no problem with Kitana. I think that outfit says "sexy assassin". And it looks different from the other females so far. That's the biggest thing I was afraid of with this game. That the females were not going to have much variety in their designs (in the beginning of this thread, before any new videos had appeared to show the contrary, it looked like they were going to keep putting the females in those battle dresses that looks way too similar to one another). However, recent videos have somewhat put me at ease with that. Kitana, D'Vorah and Cetrion all look nothing like the others from a design standpoint. I'm sure Frost will be unique as well.

So, again, I have no issue with how they designed Kitana. I like both her Revenant and Human looks. Her playstyle looks to be so much fun too (except for that messed up Mileena business...again NRS, WTF!?!) Can't wait to try her out.

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04/13/2019 12:19 AM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

I have absolutely no problem with Kitana. I think that outfit says "sexy assassin". And it looks different from the other females so far. That's the biggest thing I was afraid of with this game. That the females were not going to have much variety in their designs (in the beginning of this thread, before any new videos had appeared to show the contrary, it looked like they were going to keep putting the females in those battle dresses that looks way too similar to one another). However, recent videos have somewhat put me at ease with that. Kitana, D'Vorah and Cetrion all look nothing like the others from a design standpoint. I'm sure Frost will be unique as well.

So, again, I have no issue with how they designed Kitana. I like both her Revenant and Human looks. He playstyle looks to be so much fun too (except for that messed up Mileena business...again NRS, WTF!?!) Can't wait to try her out.

Them giving Kitana Mileena's moves annoyed me as well. With Jade I understood, after all Kitana and Jade are best friends and I thought it was a nice touch to call that variation "mournful"- but there's no connection between Kitana and Mileena besides their hatred for each other- so tossing her Mileena's moves feels cheap.

It also lowers Mileena's chances of being DLC which I was so sure she would be but it looks like they just might go the distance and keep her sitting out until MK12.

Doesn't really feel like Mortal Kombat though without Mileena...

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04/14/2019 01:44 AM (UTC)
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"conspiracy theory"? That sounds like "the theory of Patriarchy"

Oh, you mean the theory that some men feel entitled to enjoy and consume women's bodies, and throw temper tantrums when their sexual interests are not explicitly favored? Yeah, what about it?

Are the straight women and lesbians who want the sexy outfits in MK11 included in your sentence?

or only men because they are men?

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@midwestdad43 : See, this is where I’m at a complete loss. Your totalizing rejection of “feminism” utterly befuddles me, because you A) have not proven that “feminism” is responsible for these character designs, B) seem entirely ready to abandon something you once loved simply because of a perceived absence of T&A, and C) you cannot claim to know that ALL female outfits in the game will lack cleavage because we simply haven’t seen all of them yet!

Most feminists are not castrating mothers, hellbent on taking away everything you claim to enjoy as a red blooded male. You have been spoon fed this narrative, presented with caricatured straw men, in order to arrive at the conclusion you just reached: that the entire vast network of disparate ideas that constitute the concept of “feminism” must be utterly rejected. Feminism advocates for protection against domestic assault, for protection against workplace discrimination and harassment, for equitable access to healthcare, for the global advancement of lifting women out of poverty and providing opportunity for education. This idea that most feminists lie awake at night and fantasize about how they can “ruin” your favorite childhood toys or sexual fantasies might be the version of a feminist you might feel most comfortable debating, because it is easy to knock her aside as an extreme, condemning harpy.

Would it at all be possible for your rejection of Mortal Kombat to look something like this: “This new game doesn’t seem like it's for me, I like a lot of scantly clad women in my fighters. Shucks!” Must your personal narrative involve a grand cultural struggle blown several sizes out of proportion between a Puritanical force and the teenaged nostalgia from which you long to return? Getting mad at a social movement designed to protect women from systemic violence and abuse because you can’t handle the fact that the world has changed since you were a child is just...well, it’s really sad. Hope you can reconsider.

There’s no negotiation. This movement, which has dominated every single aspect of life, is now insisting on entering video games, the one escape left.

There’s no telling where the absurdity will end up. In real life, frat boys at my university are having girls sign consent waivers. Seriously.

Who knows how extreme they will eventually get. Sooner or later, MK will go the same way as Ghostbusters, Star Wars. It will eventually become such a totalitarian mess that it isn’t watchable by a normal person.

It doesnt bother me. I’m all about Dead or Alive now. They put their fans above PC totalitarianism.

Theres a way to look at this; “it’s just a video game. Sheesh.”

i argue that the opposite argument is relevant: “it’s just a video game, and they won’t let us have that.”

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04/14/2019 01:46 AM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

This is absolutely what I’m talking about. A female dictating to a male what he is attracted to. And threatening violence if there isn’t compliance.

Mark my words; eventually at least some of these characters in fighting games will be obese, and not in the comical way, either. I guarantee it.

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04/14/2019 01:57 AM (UTC)
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Speaking of which, the son of the original Ghostbusters director is supposed to be making a direct sequel to the original films.

I hope it doesn't blow but I'm not that optimistic

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04/14/2019 01:59 AM (UTC)Edited 04/14/2019 03:44 AM (UTC)
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@mahne876: I feel like you're challenging me to a drinking game! Take a shot every time you write "gender studies." I'd be too hammered to even respond to this post at this rate! But let me attempt the old college try.

I addressed in my first post on this thread that there's a difference between designing sexy characters and designing sexually objectified characters. Any character can be sexy to any given person. Yes, muscular, shirtless men are generally considered to be sexy! No sane person would deny this. Also, interestingly enough, slender, fit ladies in skin-tight catsuits: also sexy! This game has many of them! Your mistake seems to be reducing "sexiness" to an equation determined by square inches of fabric over square inches of revealed skin. Solve for se-X, am I right?!

Shirtless men, while sexy, are not reducible in their designs to their shirtless-ness. They are not objectified; there is a character beyond their well-built pecs. In other words, Jax is not a male bimbo. People objected to the female character designs in MK9 because they weren't just sexy. In fact, they were seen to be in excess of sexiness, almost to the point of grotesque parody. It wasn't everyone's cup of tea! I could spend the next thirty minutes typing why some female characters in MK9 were sexually objectified, but really, would it really convince you of anything? You seem to have an automatic, knee-jerk hostile reaction to the very mention of the words "sexual objectification," attributing your resistance to *takes shot* "gender studies" (oh the horror!). But whether or not you believe the term has merit, it's not, by any means, some radical extremist concept. It's a fairly basic idea, with applications in both human psychology, philosophy, advertising, artistic design, and yes, "gender studies." *pours more whiskey* Maybe you could check out the wikipedia page for it! And by "you," I mean the people reading this who are not mahne876, because I'm pretty sure he's a little too afraid of a niche academic subfield to do his own research on the topic without parroting misapplied Orwellian paranoia every chance he gets!

Sadly, these willful misunderstandings proliferate when deep anxiety and fear of change take root. It's just...it's so sad to see people marshal so much anger and resistance over something like..."gender studies..." *finishes the bottle* to the point where they need to write the words "gender studies" *burps* so many times in a single post just to desperately convince themselves, through repetition, that an adjunct professor in Twin Falls writing a book on feminist literary interpretations of Henry Miller, getting paid $30,000 a year to teach four survey classes, is part of a secret international cabal to reduce Sonya's bust size in Mortal Kombat 11. But, you know, GENDER STUDIES!

Is there anyway that you, who is not a male, could refrain from appropriating our ideas of sexy?

That’s language you guys use.

The sophistry used to deny that scantily clad= sexier is too much for me.

Thus is what we get, lads. It doesn’t matter what attribute we look for, the same kind of rationalizations and jargon will be used.

“We feel like the female characters should not resemble 18 year olds in age. How many 18 year olds are effective fighters?”

then you end up with every female character being 45+, and you’re told that that’s attractive by a woman and there’s no objection you can make.

“Think about it: what fighter, who can lift a 250 lb man above her head, is dainty and physically delicate?”

thats for when mannish, nonfeminine characters become the norm.

“Think about it; wouldn’t it be better to have the female characters reflect real women? Besides, you’re a weirdo if you don’t like curvy women.”

that’s for when overweight and obese female characters become the norm.

Of course the fact that in a mixed competition, no female character in real life would survive the first round, but whatever.

They have determined to destroy this subculture and they are going to do it. At EVO, the sissies has to cut the feed because two Japanese models (actual “real women”) thought it would be funny to shake their boobs a little bit.

Wthe kinds of extremes you’re going to see:

”My name’s Kano, and I have white privilege. The Black Dragon needs more thieves, murderers, and arms dealers of color.”

Lol. Seems absurd, but this kind of thing has already happened in some areas. Remember when universities were havens for free speech? lol. Yeah. Change will be much more radical than anyone expects.

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04/14/2019 02:02 AM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

This is absolutely what I’m talking about. A female dictating to a male what he is attracted to. And threatening violence if there isn’t compliance.

Uh...I'm not a female. Lol

I'm a MALE. And it's called "jest".

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04/14/2019 02:04 AM (UTC)
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14 pages...

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04/14/2019 02:05 AM (UTC)
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14 pages...

Gotta kill time until launch somehow, I suppose

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04/14/2019 02:05 AM (UTC)Edited 04/14/2019 02:09 AM (UTC)
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Speaking of which, the son of the original Ghostbusters director is supposed to be making a direct sequel to the original films.

I hope it doesn't blow but I'm not that optimistic

The Revolutionary Guard is aiready working on that.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hollywoodreporter.com/amp/heat-vision/why-is-ghostbusters-3-ignoring-all-female-reboot-1177318

Reading this reminded me; maybe my share of the dissent with MK is my bad karma from voting for Clinton lol. I never believed in hyper up “scare tactics” on the other side. Pretty foolish. I know who I’m voting for in 2020, lol. Gonna make a T-Shirt with MK9 girls on for the election :), :), :),

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04/14/2019 02:08 AM (UTC)
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Wow there is a lot of fools showing their whole ass on this thread, imagine being so stubborn over the idea of being team red or blue, it's a forum for a video game franchise we all love simmer the hell down and get some perspective or develop a hobby for your mundane ass life that you decide to come on a MK fansite and preach nonsense.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

By following your example? Ha!

Sorry I agree with the spirit of your post, I just couldn’t resist myself lol.

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04/14/2019 02:09 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, you do that

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04/14/2019 02:10 AM (UTC)
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Wow there is a lot of fools showing their whole ass on this thread, imagine being so stubborn over the idea of being team red or blue, it's a forum for a video game franchise we all love simmer the hell down and get some perspective or develop a hobby for your mundane ass life that you decide to come on a MK fansite and preach nonsense.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

By following your example? Ha!

Sorry I agree with the spirit of your post, I just couldn’t resist myself lol.

To his point- you do seem like you need a new hobby that doesn't revolve around watching Fox News.

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04/14/2019 02:12 AM (UTC)
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Anyone who thinks Human Kitana's skin-tight costume isn't sexy needs to be slapped.

This is absolutely what I’m talking about. A female dictating to a male what he is attracted to. And threatening violence if there isn’t compliance.

Uh...I'm not a female. Lol

I'm a MALE. And it's called "jest".

If you’re male, why are you going so hard to disenfranchise your fellow male gamers?

are you completely oblivious to the actual process that’s occuring? Do you honestly believe ugly Mennonite costumes are the end of it?

”My name’s Kano, and I realize that I have white Privilege.”

LMAO!!!!

thats too good. I’m going to make a shirt with that.

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04/14/2019 02:15 AM (UTC)
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Wow there is a lot of fools showing their whole ass on this thread, imagine being so stubborn over the idea of being team red or blue, it's a forum for a video game franchise we all love simmer the hell down and get some perspective or develop a hobby for your mundane ass life that you decide to come on a MK fansite and preach nonsense.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

By following your example? Ha!

Sorry I agree with the spirit of your post, I just couldn’t resist myself lol.

To his point- you do seem like you need a new hobby that doesn't revolve around watching Fox News.

Yeah because i watch Fox News.

Because I’m a registered Democrat and all. Typical Fox News audience.

I was just fine with left wing ideas changing games I’ve loved for two decades, but then I watched Fox!

”but then I watched Fox.”

reminds me of that Afroman song.

And I have five children and a career. I have to choose my hobbies quite carefully.

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04/14/2019 02:19 AM (UTC)
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Reptile_896

Wow there is a lot of fools showing their whole ass on this thread, imagine being so stubborn over the idea of being team red or blue, it's a forum for a video game franchise we all love simmer the hell down and get some perspective or develop a hobby for your mundane ass life that you decide to come on a MK fansite and preach nonsense.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

By following your example? Ha!

Sorry I agree with the spirit of your post, I just couldn’t resist myself lol.

To his point- you do seem like you need a new hobby that doesn't revolve around watching Fox News.

Yeah because i watch Fox News.

Because I’m a registered Democrat and all. Typical Fox News audience.

I don't care what your political views are.

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04/14/2019 02:21 AM (UTC)
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The conflict itself should’ve evidence enough that the interference shouldn’t have happened. They have split the fandom permanently possibly. Sales won’t suffer; casuals will see “Mortal Kombat,” and still think it’s the free spirited, shove your moralizing up ur azz kind of game we’ve known it to be.

So they will buy it in huge numbers. Serious fans will notice, though, and will have to choose based on their own values.

No way would I reward such with a sale, even if everyone on Earth purchased it.

If my grandmother flew from China with an MK 11 Jade action figure aaa gift, I’d fly all the way back there and get a refund.

And have my whole family disown me for being the first to tell his Chinese grandmother he didn’t like her gift. Filial piety Lol.

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04/14/2019 02:21 AM (UTC)
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Reptile_896

Wow there is a lot of fools showing their whole ass on this thread, imagine being so stubborn over the idea of being team red or blue, it's a forum for a video game franchise we all love simmer the hell down and get some perspective or develop a hobby for your mundane ass life that you decide to come on a MK fansite and preach nonsense.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

By following your example? Ha!

Sorry I agree with the spirit of your post, I just couldn’t resist myself lol.

To his point- you do seem like you need a new hobby that doesn't revolve around watching Fox News.

Yeah because i watch Fox News.

Because I’m a registered Democrat and all. Typical Fox News audience.

I don't care what your political views are.

You evidently do, because you mentioned them

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04/14/2019 02:21 AM (UTC)Edited 04/14/2019 02:23 AM (UTC)
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The conflict itself should be evidence enough that the interference shouldn’t have happened. They have split the fandom permanently possibly. Sales won’t suffer; casuals will see “Mortal Kombat,” and still think it’s the free spirited, shove your moralizing up ur azz kind of game we’ve known it to be.

So they will buy it in huge numbers. Serious fans will notice, though, and will have to choose based on their own values.

No way would I reward such with a sale, even if everyone on Earth purchased it.

If my grandmother flew from China with an MK 11 Jade action figure as a gift, I’d fly all the way back there and get a refund.

And have my whole family disown me for being the first to tell his Chinese grandmother he didn’t like her gift. Filial piety Lol.

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04/14/2019 02:29 AM (UTC)
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Reptile_896

Wow there is a lot of fools showing their whole ass on this thread, imagine being so stubborn over the idea of being team red or blue, it's a forum for a video game franchise we all love simmer the hell down and get some perspective or develop a hobby for your mundane ass life that you decide to come on a MK fansite and preach nonsense.

BE EXCELLENT TO EACH OTHER

By following your example? Ha!

Sorry I agree with the spirit of your post, I just couldn’t resist myself lol.

To his point- you do seem like you need a new hobby that doesn't revolve around watching Fox News.

Yeah because i watch Fox News.

Because I’m a registered Democrat and all. Typical Fox News audience.

I don't care what your political views are.

You evidently do, because you mentioned them

You've been mentioning them for 10 pages now.

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04/14/2019 02:54 AM (UTC)
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Spider804
04/14/2019 02:59 AM (UTC)
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That skull faced son of a bastard

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04/14/2019 03:32 AM (UTC)
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Wow. I cannot believe this discussion has went on as long as it has.

I honestly didn't think there was an argument to be had. What exactly are people defending, here? Seeing scantily clan women isn't a right. It's not even a privilege. And why are people trying to politicize this with 'leftist,' 'rightist,' and 'SJW' remarks? It's a bloody video game! lol Mortal Kombat at that.

Point blank, the lack of boobs isn't going to kill you. If you don't like it, just don't play the game. Problem solved.

Not buying this abortion is a given.

But fortunately, in spite of the efforts of people like you, we still have freedom of speech.

There isn’t a “right” to a lot of things. There isn’t a “right” to Reptile being included; yet people are pissed. There’s not a “right” to fatalities or even video games at all?

Why do you guys make such sloppy arguments?

Thats right up there with the, “go watch porn” stupidity.

I don’t have any power over what they do to their games. I don’t work at NRS. I only have power over what I buy, and to raise my voice to let them know just why I will never buy that atrocity until significant changes are made. Quite simple.

To those who are angry about Reptile not being in the game, think again.

They actually are including Reptile. It’s just that now he’s Transgender, and goes by “Jade.”

lol.

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