Killing a persisting facet of a character's personality is progress?

Who's persisting personality trait has been killed? Are you saying Mileena should look like a mentally challenged stripper? I disagree. MKX proved that she doesn't have to look like that and she looked wonderful. Once again, you're reaching for something that isn't there.

You and others keep on missing the point. Or ignoring it. Please stop ignoring and/or missing the point.

Actually make your points clear and people will stop missing them.

This isn't about tits.

For many people in this thread- it is.

Did you read the rest of people's complaints?

I've been posting in this thread since page one and have addressed several different complaints. Have you? Otherwise you would've known that I have.

Are you aware of Mileena's entire deal?

Considering I've been a fan of this franchise since 1992, I think so, yeah...

Do you not agree that character design should express something about said character?

Yes, but that something can be something different depending on whatever the designers come up with for that particular game- that's how things always are.

Variety aside, exploitation aside, the art direction would then have us forcefully change an aspect of a character's own personality through dress. It already has us ignoring the lore of Skarlet.

Oh look, a point that I've already addressed in this thread. Skarlet's lore isn't being ignored- she's still made of blood and she still absorbs blood through skin- the blood soaks in through her face, head, and yes, body, her clothes aren't water-proof- the blood soaks through her clothes into her skin- it's not rocket science. THAT'S Skarlet's lore. She doesn't have to dress like a skank to showcase the above.

You have made zero points. I like you and I don't want to stop liking you. Please actually have something to say when replying.

I don't care about you liking me. Most people don't. Different strokes and all that jazz. Give me something worth replying too.

TL;DR, since that seems to be the prior case: I'm not being overdramatic.

Fine, you're being just plain ole' dramatic. ;P

Did your mother ever teach you about what an opinion is? Everyone has one and yours isn't superior or "right".

You're turning this into a completely different discussion/debate- take it somewhere else or make a new thread.

I replied with arguments to a points about "MK team incompatible to make a proper 3d model/face" and about "concept art VS 3d models". You replied to me with zero arguments.

And please don't talk about my mother and don't switch into personal insults if you are out of arguments...

I don't have to have an argument to respond to you.

The MK4 model of Sonya is actually textured with a real persons face. So the face is an actual photograph of model Kerri Hoskins (MK 3 Sonya). Just to state facts that it's not an actual modeled face, so you cant compare that tech to MK 11. Completely different ballgame there.

Also, folks, please tone it down a notch. No personal attacks or we are gonna have to shut down the thread.

Be cool :)

The above reply I posted is exactly how SJWs act. Fraudulent. Snarky. Insulting.

There is zero ethical case to be made for censoring, even self-censoring the female clothing.

This is an absolute travesty, and while I have purchased EVERY MK since the first one for SNES, I will be boycotting this one.

Also the above statements have caused me to reevaluate feminism and the role of females in wrecking gaming.

I used to be mildly supporting of feminism. Now I have redhot hate for it. More below:

The reasoning behind removing the sexy clothing is absolutely flawed. With “go watch porn” being the worst argument the other side has, and is a sign of undeniable low IQ. No one who can use reason writes that.

ANY and ALL hardcore fans should boycott this POS. Let feminists support this game. There are plenty of other games with an authentically free spirit, where the developers respect the fanbase:

Dead or Alive, Soul Caliber, Skullgirls-all great titles.

NRS should be ashamed. They have taken what Midway built and bastardized it.

They are earning the justified hatred of the fans.

I would never let one of my boys play one of these misandrist games that SJW developers are putting out now.

It’s simple; keep all feminist ideology out of games. This satanic ideology reigns supreme in every area of life, it should not be allowed to reign in gaming.

Virtue signaling against those of us who are trying to stand up for a two and a half decade franchise is craven.

We have to transmit the fandom to the next generation. And they are turning it into Kuckold Kombat.

Comparing MMA fighting suits to fights with weapons is ridiculous. Please come at me naked while I have Roman armor.

I don’t believe that you were a fan in 1992. You would not say those things about Mileena.

Strippers look good. They’re sexy. Often beautiful. Men pay them thousands of dollars. There’s even a song called, “I’m in love with a stripper.” A video game character being dressed similar to a stripper has not been a problem for decades.

You mention Mileena (my main and favorite) in MKX. I agree. She does look good in that.

Can you show me anything like her MKX outfit in 11?

my wife has work less clothing at mass than Skarlet and Jade have in 11.

9 has the best female costumes of all time. But there’s not just 9 and 11’s nun habits. There could be a middle ground, but that’s “sexualizing” and doesn’t mesh with the feminist-communist philosophy guiding 11.

Ten games down the drain. Yes- ten games. Sonya’s classic costume is WAY more revealing than anything she wears in 11.

Think about it this way; there’s not one single costume from any game before 11, that could be injected into MK11.

The NORM for MK is to show cleavage. Covering that up is a fraudulent INNOVATION not based in any kind of tradition.

Add in their dismissal and condemnation of the fanbase, we should in good conceive purchase this game.

They have basically implied, “don’t like it, don’t buy it.”

Sure it’s no doubt going to sell. Uninformed casuals alone will buy it in large amounts.

But as true fans, we have to keep true to the vision of John Tobias.

Or ar least, that’s what I will do.

The game doesn’t even look like the gameplay is all that good. To shred my own dignity just to mess around with Kuckold Kombat. Nah, not interested

So the female characters not showing tits and ass is "satanic" and misandrist. Kuckold Kombat?

You do realize this is a video game, right? These are fictional characters. You're turning this into some big political movement like you're Katniss in the Hunger Games.

This thread has OFFICIALLY gone off the deep-end. I'm out of here.

You guys have worn me out. If I stay I'll flip and I refuse to let that happen, especially over something so ridiculous.

Thank you for all the wonderful debate and INTELLIGENT discussion everyone. Ahnka, out.

*packs up banjo and bolts out the door*

No disrespect, but have you ever competed in MMA? I have. The female fighters wear very little clothing. Have you even been a competitive bodybuilder? I have. Women still “Sexualize” my chest even though I’m almost firty years old and reacted my genetic potential for muscle growth five years ago.

If “realism” is what is required, then why aren’t they wearing armor?

Seriously. Those costumes look like they are made of leather. Wear is Liu Kang’s armor? Kitana’s armor still exposes her heart.

Put EVERY single one of them in a Kevlar helmet. Having served in the infantry, the lack of helmets is the greatest unrealistic trait games often have. I would be dead now if I had not worn a helmet.

Put ALL of them in helmets.

The truth is that this is a fantasy game. And the females are covered up by radical feminists who want to prevent the last smile off a man’s face.

Then put actual armor on them, smart guy.

You do realize that most soldiers wore next to no armor on historical battlefields, right?

And YES MMA matters. Many of the characters don’t have weapons. Or armor. MK is not a weapons - based game like Soul Caliber.

The single most appropriate analogy is that it ancient gladiators, many of whom wore no armor, and many of whom wore only partial armor.

So “realism” is bs. If you wanted “realism” you wouldn’t want female fighters in the game. If you have had wcierrebce around Fighters that is. The difference is massive.

You do realize that leather armor was made to stop slashing blades?

I'm fucking cackling at the irony of this statement coming from you.

Thank god, maybe now the thread will be more bearable.

I get why you feel that way, but feminism in general makes some very valid points. There's nothing wrong with wanting equality between the sexes, and to be fair women have been dealt a very rough hand in certain aspects (especially in the past). The problem is that the ideology has also been co-opted by a bunch of screeching, seething, angry women who have far too much time on their hands. Couple that with the guys that want to impress them, and you have a shit show on your hands. I know a good number of feminists who are really cool people, down to earth, who genuinely want equality and are not just using feminism as a platform to spew their misandry. Every political ideology that is as massive as feminism has a wide variety of people who interpret said ideology in different ways, so my advice is not to let the idiots who congregate around Tumblr and ResetEra ruin what is, in my opinion, a good set of ideas worth believing in.

If it isn’t political, then why put politics into it?

We didn’t. We are simply reacting to it .

It’s “just a game” but what that means differs from person to person.

You should ask yourself, “why do I want to see so many of my fellow fans unhappy?”

we are only asking for ONE option, not to make it a requirement for every costume.

What your forgetting is that this is a game where each character will have 4-5 costumes plus it’s supposed to have an unprecedented level of customization.

What are we supposed to think when the one option we like the most is deliberately excluded?

They could make a dlc. You wouldn’t even have to buy it if you didn’t want to.

Instead they deliberately stated they would not. The deliberately alienated “the male gaze,” as feminists call it. Heterosexual masculine desire, and only that, is specifically exorcised from the options.

I would never want to force anyone to play as I play in 2019. There’s too much diversity in content. But at the same time, to exclude me and only me? That’s a pretty shitty turn of events.

I could even see them making it so we couldn’t even mod in the traditional costumes smh.

Leather armor could stop SOME slashing blades. But that’s far from the dominant threat in MK.

Firearms from Sonya, Cassie, et al, would be among the most lethal, as would explosions. And leather would not do jack.

Should we make it so being shot with just one hit from a firearm should kill characters? That’s realism.

This doesn’t even begin to take into account acid, fire, freezing, electricity, spiritual attacks, sonic attacks, etc.

MK is just not based on realism.

They took out the costumes because they “respect wahmen.” They want to take away one of the few refuges men have left. They have essentially said as much.

All these other issues are speed bumps

I'm not in disagreement with you, a William Wallace claymore would cut you in half. I might find a modest girl that prefers the outdoors more attractive over lets say fake nails and boobs. I'm no fan of corporate censorship and would rather see us both satisfied.

C'mon, guy. She did class it up, but it was still more confident and baring than anything we're likely to see here. Still has a cleavage enhancing bustier with bare midriff

Rumor is she's in MK11. A spin on her MKX default is all we need.

You simply want conflict.

I HAVE made my points very clear. You literally keep choosing to ignore what I say.

How many times can we reiterate that someone's manner of dress doesn't make them a skank or any other derogatory term? You're quite judgemental based on these statements.

No, Mileena doesn't have to dress like a stripper, because strippers don't wear a fucking uniform. They strip naked. Depending on what they're doing or the event, their day can start out with tons of clothing on. Because they strip them off, you see.

As for Skarlet, HOW MANY TIMES do I have to say "it's not about tits"? Can she have an asymmetrical pant-leg situation? Midriff? Sleeveless fucking shirt? It doesn't matter that blood soaks through clothes and if you want to say this for the sake of logic you're still off because who the fuck wants to have the blood go through all that material taking more time than necessary to absorb it? I think one of her outfits has an open back, so that's something .

Do you shame your female friends if they decide to go braless? What message are you sending by saying "if you wear this, you are clearly a whore, so cover your body, because it's what I deem to be appropriate"? What kind of backwards logic is that for someone like you? You fucking idiots keep bringing it back to "sexualization" when I've told you and that other fuckhead that it's not the point.

I'm done entertaining you, your bullshit and all others who refuse to see the flaws in their own logic. If you somehow REALLY missed my point; If you and others don't see how demeaning your arguments are, I can't help you. I can't even seem to communicate with you in a civil manner.

You are correct that MK4 Sonya was modeled after Kerri Hoskins and the face was also textured after her photos. However in MK11 Shang Tsung is modeled in the same way after Cary-Hiroyuki Tagawa, Sub-Zero was also modeled after a real person, and most probably all the others were modeled after real life models more or less.
I'm a cg artist btw and I know things or two about 3d modelling, texturing, shading, rendering, animating etc. Modeling game characters after real-life models is a quite old technique and it is used on a daily basis in a video game industry.

They used for example the voice of Ronda Rousey for Sonya. Why didn't they use Ronda's body and face then? Ronda is beautiful, fit, tough and she looks like a perfect Sonya Blade.

It makes no sense that they used her voice but not her looks. Actually it makes sense in the way that it would go against their uglyfication process. There is no other explanation.

What the stupidality am I reading here...strippers are sexy and have big boobs..

Have any of you saying this been to a strip club more than once? I HAVE PERSONALLY WORKED WITH THEM OUTSIDE OF THE CLUB... maybe in a weekend night you can find the sexy ones but, hate to break it to you, ANY WOMAN who wants to strip will have NO ISSUES finding a club to accept her - no matter her looks. I've worked with petite women and big women - the club determines who they hire.... and that includes bigger women. I've also been to gay clubs but never once seen a bigger man, only beffcake hunks.

Big boobs? Some of them but most clubs want girls with A or B cups so the nipples don't poke people in the eyes when they throw their tits jn customer's faces - trust me I've been poked.

I personally have worked with a plus size woman from Cheetah's in Vegas. Her boobs were big because she was big. But they weren't fake - not all big-boobed girls have fakes.

Men pay $1,000s of dollars... Maybe overall but I rarely have seen men pay anything. I partied at a stripclub with a guy from Hollywood who's been at the Playboy mansion for a party and he didn't pay much at all. Lap dances go for $10-20 per dance and when the "extras" are offered it's not really expensive. Hot tub parties and VIP tables are costly but again aren't entirely sought after. Girls who work in tourist areas could pull in a couple grand or more on a good night. But they don't always work but a few times a week if that. But how they spend their money tells all - the girl I worked with from Cheetah's is a single mom who lives with her own mom in a Vegas ghetto. Now a girl who works at a legal brothel outside Vegas could pull in a lot of dough (thousands per client) if she has a good night.

Strippers are dirt cheap as non-nude models. And many are just as cheap IF they chose to pose nude... many won't because a club guarantees them anonymity while a photographer proudly tags them on social media.

AGAIN... Why is it OK for only the women to not be sexualized but the men can be and both have been in many ways since the first game?

And for those saying shirtless men is for power and masculinity and not sexy, not long ago people were saying that scantily-clad and even nude women are also signs of femininity and empowerment (alot still do) - after all, we are all born naked and males and women have different parts, so each of our parts represents the strength in our genders when we are nude.

Can the men, who obviously aren't pussy-whipped by their nagging privileged co-dependent career wives/former prom-queens who are looking over their shoulders to make sure they are not looking at other women besides them, add to this? Not us single guys.... or single bisexual in my case, but the married, hetereosexual guys not tied down to their wives or possessive girlfriends chime in?

I've seen MANY posts in this MK11 forum and this is one of the few that has been the most active and highly engaging in such a short span of time. So this is DEFINITELY a hot topic, otherwise why would any care to make this a huge thread?

In my last post, which listed a lot of examples of both genders being sexualized throughout the games, movies, etc. I forgot to mention Conquest DID NOT SEXUALIZE THE MEN like the first film did with the baby oil on the monks... and that, on the laser disc commentary, Alison Savitch, the female visual FX supervisor and a producer on the first film, acknowledged she LOVED AND PERVERTED/oodled over shirtless Liu Kang pretty vocally I might add, just as much as Cody Diablo perverses over the shirtless males in the audio commentary of her films (Jennifer's Body, for example).

Yes, we can keep the sex sppeal classy like the first movie and even Legacy, we can deal with that, but covering up the women ONLY BECAUSE of political and social concerns WITHOUT APPLYING THE SAME LOGIC TO THE MEN, and doing so that the women look PG but the amount of gore delivered would actually be of a NC-17 film NOT an R rated one, then we have stupidality plain and simple.

Game boycotted. And saying its outselling MKX isn't saying much when it took MK9 to revolutionize and reboot the MK franchise anyway. I guarantee you MKII beat MK1 because more people knew about MK and to this day, thanks to retro gaming, MK1 and MK2 are still selling games. Can't say the same for MK9 and higher which seems to have the shirtest playability lifespan before hitting the secondary market in droves - I was one of them who bought MK9 and resold it just over a year and I guarantee you the MK9 sales doesn't account for fans who keep buying and selling MK9. And you can say "Both no one sold their MKX" and I say its because more people bought it on day ond so there is a lesser demand in the secondary market. Also...I believe MKX was sold on the PC the same time as the consoles whereas we waited 2 years for a PC version to arrive for MK9.

Dude you have said exactly what I wanted to say couldn’t figure out how:

Rousey is a Fox. There are many swimsuit images of bee floating around. All are great.

I could show you Facebook feeds of women I served with, who have both pictures of them in BDUs and in Bikinis. If you picked four images from their photos to make into costumes, one of those alternate costumes would be a bikini.

At least one of them is an avid gamer who dragged NRS for being lame; she also plays Tina in DOA and finds the sexy outfits empowering, or that was what said, anyway.

When you hear things like that it almost seems like SJWs in gaming supply want to punish gamers, rather than having some cause.

They cant stand that gamers are doing just fine ignoring all the “discourse” that gives them status and arrogance, and because many in geek fandoms are from STEM fields and this are outside SJW control somewhat. That’s possibly why they go so hard about “incels,” in order to beat down people they see as beneath them. It makes absolutely no sense, as there are lots of cute girls into geek culture nowadays, especially of the younger generation, and ones who date geeky guys, too.

Bur you know I really hate all of this. I spent months lurking on here, only to feel forced to speak up now. I have enjoyed her posts, and would otherwise get along fine.

the “enemy” wouldn’t be the “enemy” if not for this one issue, which is a good reason for NRS to be ashamed, because this whole issue was completely avoidable. Having them in MKX level costumes would not have negatively affected sales at all.

I really don’t enjoy arguing. It sucks that we feel we have to. But it is what it is.

Seriously, what is WRONG with scantily clad women? This is first and foremost a FANTASY game. Realism doesn't involve shooting flaming dragons from your hands or having a body still standing after taking 2 out of 3 uppercuts to the jaw. Even the X-ray system and successor Fatal Blow system isn't always gonna be fatal, despite what looks blatantly fatal (walking off a broken spine). So the "realism" angle isn't something Mortal Kombat is known for.

And we're not even asking for it as the primary costume. Sure have them wear something serious for the story mode. I'm pretty sure we'd be okay if some of the gear has some skin. But no, the art guy said there'd be none. For reasons that don't really make sense when looking at what the male characters are wearing.