More than 60 "skins" and ALL ARE THE SAME FEMINIST BULLSHIT DOUBLE STANDARD

FEMALES "TONED DOWN", CENSORED, AWFUL,, BURQAS, ALL COVERED, DOUBLE STANDARD AND MALES SHIRTLESS AND WEAR LOINCLOTHS WITH HUGE MUSCULAR AND RIPPED BODIES
The "toned down" of the female characters and the double standard with the male characters shirtless and wear loincloths. with huge and ripped bodies.

The outfit of JADE is literally named "JUSTICE WARRIOR" XD

https://youtu.be/7-TVfrVpqpE

What are you doing, NRS?
Are you kidding?
KEEP THE DAMNED FEMINIST IDEOLOGY AND ITS CENSORSHIP OUT OF MK11

Definetly
STEVE BERAN AND BRENDAN GEORGE MUST BE FIRED

Hey NRS, We want OPTIONS of the classic sexy outfits like MK9 for the females.

Mortal Kombat 11 Devs LIED About There Being No "Bikini Girls"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYoKxnrX8LM

Without mentioning the "WOKE" end of Jax

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZE4To-XV_U

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rAzpnBlYg-A&t=

Warner Brothers Trying to Censor CRITICISM Of Mortal Kombat 11 | Game Release and Kano Ending

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0uHUwT2DnA

Game's out now, proving this was all bullshit fearmongering. Useless parasites can drown in their own negative Karma.

Ka-Tra

You like the huge males with ripped and muscular bodies shirtless and wear loincloths, but Don ́t you like the females in their classic outfits like their loincloths?

It's double standards or no standards with these guys dude, been that way all along.

I just can't stand this anymore...I'm not saying women should wear outfits like in MK9...BUT...I just played a tower with Skarlet...Damn I felt like I'm playing some gay designed game! (Amd I don't mean gay as offense!) But...I faced Baraka, Kotal Kahn, Kano...

Damn I haven't seen so many almost naked guys in a while! Baraka wears this briefs-like boxers, Kotal - a one big guy in a loincloth amd Kano...well he's Kano so. But what I'm trying to say I felt really weord facing this VERY not covered guys with a lady dressed from head to toe in clothes...

Mileena's MK9 alternate was one end of the spectrum. Every female now is at the opposite end of the spectrum. God I miss MK9.

This video explains it perfectly:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYYtnlrSIWA

I personally don't care if a man is covered up or not. As long as the design is good. I love Jax's default rustic design with the boots, blue jeans, white and jacket. Fuck unlocking his other skins lol, he looks clean.

I though mkx and mk11 have done well on the costumes for everyone. The only thing that I find ridiculous is the double standard of it being ok all the men are half naked and not the women, but I honestly dont care either way. So far the only costume I take issue with is cassie's that makes her look like she came out of mass effect. I just dont like it.

Okay, I'll bite again. I have several objections to the arguments made in this YouTube video.

1) Chiefly, the repetition of the word "censorship" does not actually constitute censorship as such. Y'all can scream "censorship" til the cows come home, but selecting a different artistic direction for the game is not a suppression of free speech. It's not remotely illegal, and NRS is under no threat from any legal or political institution. Decrying "censorship" is a conspiratorial shorthand that evokes the dreaded feminist authoritarian (or, the bad mommy) in the hyperactive imaginations of anti-SJWs. If a company decides to go a different direction with its marketing campaign, for any number of reasons, this is not "censorship." To wit: if the women of MK11 looked like the women of MK9, NRS would suffer no legal penalties, nor would they even lose money. Any manufactured outrage against scantly clad female bodies would be free marketing for the company. Being a trending topic on social media is a financial boon, no matter how negative the coverage (at least in most corporate cases). Do you have any idea how much money Gillette pulled in from its recent controversial commercial? Capitalism has a funny way of making money off of outrage...almost as if this outrage is completely insincere and manufactured for profit! Wow!

2) MK has never been realistic, obviously. But the YouTube video confuses what is "realistic," as in, how do the mechanics of the game bend or break the scientific laws of our universe, with "artistic realism," which is an aesthetic category and not reducible to mechanics. In other words, gameplay and art direction exist on two separate axes. Changes to one axis (as in, giving Skarlet a "desert storm" outfit) will not necessarily require changes to the other axis (Skarlet's "desert storm" outfit does not tamp down the brutality of the violence in this game). Aesthetics and gameplay aren't completely separated from one another - I don't mean to suggest that. However, when the YouTuber asks "how come fatalities, but not boobs?" he is deliberately confusing apples and oranges. That is to say, having female character designs rooted in realism is not hypocritical or contrary to the spirit of MK: this artistic style runs no interference with the usual levels of violence and gore one expects from an MK title. And again: MK has never been bloodier or more gruesome!

3) The much-quoted Beran passage has been dissected plenty, but again, allow me to reproduce it here. The YouTuber didn't offer a close reading of it (how telling!), he just let it flash in the background of the screen for a few seconds.

“Our character lead, Brendan George, has been a breath of fresh air of just introducing new ideas. Our design is just getting more mature and respectful. You’re not going to wear a bikini to a fight. You’re not going to be showing so much skin. I think it’s just what the game is about: You’re going in to fight for your life, and you’re not going to be wearing such scantily clad items.

"I’m sure that will disappoint some fans. We don’t have bathing suit fighters, and I think that’s fine. If people are disappointed, I don’t regret making that change by any means."

Note the emphasis in his speech on design, and what these artistic choices are meant to convey to the players/consumers. He's not saying: "it's offensive that women could wear bikinis to the fight, we at NRS are taking a brave stand against the injustice of bikini fighters, because we believe women should be covered up before their faces are ripped off!" Rather, his words are gesturing toward tone and mood: "You're going in to fight for your life" is not necessarily about "realistic fantasy armor," it's meant to convey the feeling of dramatic intensity, of high pressure stakes, of nail-biting tension, wherein one false step during kombat can lead to your gory demise. Stripper outfits, while fun, distract from or diminish that ambiance of dread and tension. It's harder to sustain tension when kombatants look like disposable sex dolls: you care less what happens to them on the screen if they're already too cartoonish or garish in their designs.

You can choose to read into his words, claiming that he's a tool of the SJWs, or you could bother to actually understand him on the sentence-level. The art direction changed on female characters because MK is trying to find the right balance between the goofy and the serious, between what is "unrealistic" and the longstanding gaming trend toward realism (and in order for MK to compete on the market, it must consider these trends!). All MK games in the series fall somewhere on these two axes of goofy and serious, some titles being more goofy and some being more serious, but they all fall differently, and MK11 continues that tradition, rather than breaking from it, as so many on here claim.

4) The comparisons to UFC or the WWE are seriously misguided, and again, confuse apples and oranges. Mortal Kombat is a high fantasy/horror/sci-fi adventure series, presenting a hodgepodge mixture of tropes and aesthetics that are not reducible to any one recognizable genre or style. The attire of professional female fighters cannot be levied as some mandate for stripping MK's women down to booty shorts and sports bras. Last I checked, there is not a single UFC female fighter in MK's roster! Ergo, these women will look and behave differently when it comes to dressing in battle! You cannot argue that Mortal Kombat should never be realistic, and then in the same breath, demand that Mortal Kombat must draw some equivalency between an extraterrestrial 10,000 female assassin-warrior princess and Trish-flippin'-Stratus. If Earthrealm picks a UFC female fighter as a new chosen one, I have no doubt that NRS would design the character with her career choice in mind! And for the record, as a lifelong Kitana fan, I do not wish to see her wearing some female pro-wrestler costume because, and let me say this slowly for you now, she is not a pro-wrestler.

5) It is a huge logical leap, and it's based on 0 empirical evidence, to argue that changes to visual battle damage on character models must come from an aversion to showing Sonya's underboob hanging out of her ripped jacket. The much more reasonable, Occam's razor, explanation is that incorporating highly detailed battle damage on all skins would stretch the available memory on the game, impeding performance, they're probably a huge time investment to animate and draw, and cuts had to be made. Blood splatters are a lot easier, and take up way less space, to incorporate. Is it even possible for anti-SJWs to conceive there might be other, perfectly plausible explanations behind world phenomena that don't affirm and support the paranoid conspiracy-theory world in which they reside? At this point, I highly doubt it! No, everything, no matter how minor, must be an interlocking piece of the feminist nightmare jigsaw puzzle. Graphical limitations on games still exist, no matter how afraid of feminists you may be!

6) Which leads me to my final point. I find it remarkable that the anti-SJW people, who so loathed and seethed at Sarkeesian for daring to suggest that patriarchal attitudes might inform or influence character designs, now are absolutely squawking and balking like headless chickens because one game had the nerve to put female paramilitary officers in...female paramilitary gear. Congratulations, anti-SJWs! You have fully become the thing you hated so much: everything is a matriarchal conspiracy, no other possible or reasonable explanations for simple design choices exist anymore, and you have now manufactured a culture of fake outrage and oppression of which you hope to never end. Admit it: you LOVE that NRS slapped a cloak on Jade's head. How else would you be able to feel so outraged and oppressed?

Peace and love.

Well fucking said.

All that salt regarding female outfits will never cease to amaze me. 17 pages and counting.

Oh, how nicely you camouflaged the eye-poking obvious feminist propaganda which is despised by great majority of MK fans (who are heterosexual males btw) as "different artistic direction". You should be a politician.
You are right however that it is not illegal. On the contrary, it is encouraged by political institutions who are actively lobbying for feminist propaganda throughout the whole entertainment industry (Hollywood, the music industry, and now even the video game industry) because they themselves are paid to do so through various cultural-marxist NGOs. These NGOs are promoting this cultural-marxist propaganda against the public-will and they are representing a small minority. So when you are saying that "Decrying "censorship" is a conspiratorial shorthand" you are actually telling a lie, because it is a very obvious censorship. It is a censorship against the will of majority.
You said that "if the women of MK11 looked like the women of MK9, NRS would suffer no legal penalties" and yet you are telling lie again. They would indeed suffer legal penalties through liberal media and liberal critics (who are manipulating the public opinion, again, against the will of majority) who would demonize them, call them misogynists, sexists etc etc. They could easily start a "character kill" but this time the "character kill" of a studio or of a company. They would do it, and they would do it because it is legal. There is no law against the character-kill by mainstream media and mainstream critics.
Also you said that they would not lose money. Well, actually they would, and they could even go broke. That's why they are so afraid of liberal mainstream media and liberal mainstream critics and that's why they try to please them so much.

MK was never realistic. If it would be realistic even the slightest, there wouldn't be female fighters in it at first place, because in real world 99,9% of times a female would lose against male in a one on one fight. Even Ronda Rousey (who was a professional female MMA champion) said that. So by saying that for Skarlet the Arab headdress dessert outfit from MK11 is more realistic than her bikini outfit from MK9, you are actually saying nonsense. It is eye-poking obvious that they dressed her up from head to toes because of feminist propaganda and diversity. You can call it "different artistic direction" all you want, but none will buy it because everyone knows (and even Beran himself admitted it) why they did it.

I don't have to choose because it is again extremely obvious that he's a tool of the SJWs. No disrespect but your effort to explain that "the sky is green and the grass is blue" is pitiful at best. "Right balance", "unrealistic vs realistic"? Please...

Here we go again. You can not speak about realism in any form when it comes to MK, not even about selective realism. In the past Ed Boon himself said that "nobody want's realism", and MK is totally unrealistic to it's core. The only difference is between the MK9 sexy Skarlet and MK11 arab-headdress/head-to-toe outfit Skarlet is that prior is a fan service and latter is a fan disservice, no more and no less. And they did choose the head-to-toe outfit simply because they want to please the "me too" movement and the feminist wave.

"Stretch of available memory", "impeding performance"? Man, you really have no clue about IT and game design. I myself am a cg artist and I also have a clue about programming (assembly, C++ etc). I'm not a professional game designer but I know a thing or two about it. You want to tell me that in MKDA the PS2 with 32MB of memory could do the visual battle damage, that in MK9 the PS3 with 256MB could do it, but that in MK11 the PS4 with 8GB of memory can't do it. You can't even imagine how stupid this claim is.

I also find it remarkable how desperately in denial some of you are and how desperately you want to explain that "the sky is green and the grass is blue". I mean... man... this is some hardcore stuff...

I'm not going to take the time for another back-and-forth, when you barely bothered to respond to my arguments before mischaracterizing them or blatantly misunderstanding my points. I'll part with a warning, and a recommendation.

You've been fed a diet of Jordan Peterson/Sargon of Akkad/right-wing youtube soundbites, and there's seemingly nothing you encounter that you cannot incorporate into this "us vs. the cultural marxists" division. Unfortunately, this is a conspiracy theory, with deep historical roots. I strongly urge everyone who might not be aware of the historical use of this term to please click the wikipedia link I posted, and please for the love of Shao Kahn do your own research. The term "Cultural Marxism" has many synonyms, one of which is Cultural Bolshevism, though you might know it by another neologism called "Postmodern Neo-Marxism" or often just "Postmodernism." Here is a great video which explains this term, by the marvelous HBomberguy.

SUB-ZERO The First knows what he's doing when he drops this term in a discussion about cleavage in Mortal Kombat. It's not an accident that a lot of the anti-SJWs who've posted in this topic single out the "Muslim" attires of these women (though, for the record, there's absolutely nothing inherently Islamic about Jade or Skarlet's designs, this is straight-up fear mongering). Moreover, he's parroting Fox News talking points about the "liberal media," just invented the existence of mysterious "Cultural Marxist NGOs" without providing any sources or facts (this is the apex of a conspiracy theory - shady cloaked moneyed interests secretly controlling Hollywood, hmm...where have we heard that before?), and he still cannot empirically prove that MK received a mandate from the culture gods to distance their designs from MK9. The best he can say, and say over and over again, that he just feels this to be self-evident.

Well, facts don't care about your feelings, buddy. I don't want you to live in such a hopelessly divided, fear-based world, but if that's where you gotta be to feel comfortable, then there's nothing I or anyone else can say or do to drag you out of that mindset. I do hope the people reading this discussion understand that the reason this topic has 17 pages and counting has little to do with character design in Mortal Kombat, and everything to do with a generation of people being spoonfed an increasingly hostile perception of the world by far-right, reactionary, and counterrevolutionary figureheads on youtube, from which most of these anti-SJW talking points derive. It's a warped perception, deeply Manichean and extremist at its core, and quite frankly exhausting to debate.

I've said what I said. Enjoy playing Mortal Kombat 11!

eroslove, a conspiracy theory? That's all you can say? So typical. I don't care about Jordan Peterson nor Sargon of Akkad, nor about your fake leftist/liberal stigmatization. I'm just an ordinary conservative and an oldschool MK fan who dislikes the things they did to his favorite franchise. And I'm not the only one. I was here since the beginning of mk5.org, I was here when Fatality Fridays were held on IRC chat, I'm an MK fan from day one (since 1992) and when MK fans like me say that MK is on the wrong path right now, it means something.
Just like I said, I'm not the only one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKvPHLNAhsg

Nobody cares about your stupid YouTube vids from some rando. The Internet is home to countless angry losers with too much time on their hands who constantly and consistently scream into the wind about anything and everything.

Post a video from someone with some creditability, not "RandomMKYouTuber." Legitimate commentators are complaining about the roster selection, the grinding, the towers of time, etc. Or in other words, game related issues not "needs MOAR bewbs."

I've been a fan since the beginning too. I've been coming here since MK5 too. When fans like me like the path they're taking it says something (see what I did there?). I don't give two shits about "No more underboob, For why?" I don't play MK to get my rocks off. I'm not some female hating, basement dwelling mouth breather. Your problem is you think you're the majority, when in reality, as it typical with your ilk, you're just the loudest and angriest, screaming for people to pay attention to you, convinced your OPINION is fact and everyone who disagrees is wrong and out to get you.

By the way, this is the most successful launch a Mortal Kombat has ever had, but so many people are angry about female outfits they totally aren't going to buy it.

https://venturebeat.com/2019/04/24/mortal-kombat-11-has-franchises-most-successful-launch-ever-years-of-content-planned/

https://segmentnext.com/2019/04/25/mortal-kombat-11-successful-launch/

You certainly care because you are quite frustrated about them. You are angry because we spoke out about the problems and you would like to silence us. Well, good luck with that!

Credibility is relative. The videos I posted were well made and with facts. Also TMK is not some "RandomMKYouTuber", the guy literally dedicated his life to MK. On the other hand what facts did you provide? A "different artistic direction"? LOL

No matter how "angry" and "loud" I am, you and your liberal buddies are way louder and angrier because you reply always with a three times bigger post...

In 2014 Microsoft also announced that their Xbox One launch was the most successful launch an Xbox console has ever had, but later the stock marker and the sale numbers showed a different picture. Of course a company will praise it's own product...

I appreciate the male physique, yes, them being shirtless is nice- but it's not something I demand or require.

It's also not something I'd start a petition for or whine about on the internet. Or start a political war over.

You people are greedy desperate children.

Yea ok, sure, this isn't worth a petition. Anyone who would start a petition over this probably should reassess their priorities. But here's the thing: you and many others did whine on the internet over this when the shoe was on the other foot back in MK9. So your assertion that those who stand against you now are "greedy desperate children" is, well, hypocritical at best. Stop pretending that you and those on your side weren't doing this back then, because you guys did. And back then, I understood some of the points you guys made. I agreed that the high heels on every female were stupid. I agreed that the quality of the costumes wasn't where it should've been.

And then, in MKX, they got it right. Scaled back the silly parts of the MK9 outfits while still maintaining the general look and aesthetic of who those characters have always been. They struck a balance between the skimpy and prude while remaining true to themselves and to me, it was very well done.

But that isn't enough for the PC patrol. Nothing is. That group will kick and scream until they're the only ones having fun, and the franchise dies or is forced to reinvent itself as a result. Take one look at the nosedive that Star Wars took after the PC police utterly destroyed it, and then try to tell me that MK isn't currently on that same path. And as for MK11 being a successful launch? The dollars might say that, but many, many people are already turned off by the outright lunacy of some of the features in the game. If they put as much time into the nuts and bolts of the game as they did making faces at people who want to see female designs mirror the males, maybe this becomes a non-issue as the launch is far more successful and the game flourishes. But because of all the virtue signaling followed by the delivery of a frankly average game, their words fall under the microscope.

Only they haven't been screaming. Not once.

The only people screaming are you guys.

This was a decision NRS chose to make after fan reaction to the MK9 costumes. No PC or SJW group ever made any fuss over it, because no one other than fans cared. Even now, the only people making a big deal out of this are fans.

You wanna blame someone? Blame NRS. You wanna blame someone else? Blame yourselves. This is all in-house, mate.

I wasn't whining about any thing back then- as a matter of fact, I defended the MK9 outfits. That is until I grew up and realized how shitty they looked and how the models looked like Alien dragqueens.

Don't presume to know who the hell I am or what I stand for all because I like the MK11 female outfits.

There have been some very intelligent people who AGREE with you that have came in this thread and spoke their mind in a rational manner WITHOUT going on political rants and acting like they're being fucking oppressed all because they're not getting skimpy outfits.

Stop playing victims. Stop playing the SJW card. Stop playing the EVIL LIBERALS card. Grow up and deal.

Nut up or shut up.

They won't get it. It's easier to blame the imaginary outside "they" or "other side". If you don't agree with them, then you're not a real fan. Does it matter that I've been playing these games since 1992? Nope, I like the MK11 outfits and defend them so I'm an EVIL SJW LIBERAL.

These people are a joke.

the crying over the costumes and jax's ending make no sense...saw a vid about guy saying sonya always dressed like in mk 9 like dude you never played any other game have you. see a costume like kitanas in mk 11 is basically a cooler version of mk 2 prolly actually shows more cleavage than her original costume. they even have a dress for jaqui briggs and she never wore anything sexy in mk x! then jaxs ending everyone is all he stopped slavery its all sjw like hes a god of time which he is responsible for.....and they forget he made the world paradise for everyone not just black people. the same people seem to forget nightwolfs mk 3 ending....

seriously if it wasnt for the crying man babies , would anyone even notice the slight costume changes. and its crazy because the costumes are amazing, just doesnt make sense