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Thunder2786
04/17/2019 03:26 AM (UTC)
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Randwulf

Corpse of Moloch in Goro's lair?

Nope.

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Spider804
04/17/2019 03:31 AM (UTC)
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Could just be a random Oni, don't they live down there

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Randwulf
04/17/2019 03:33 AM (UTC)
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Spider804

Could just be a random Oni, don't they live down there

Moloch, or not, has very similar design, including a 3rd eye. Maybe a generic member of his race ...

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Thunder2786
04/17/2019 03:37 AM (UTC)
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Spider804

Could just be a random Oni, don't they live down there

Idk if you're replying to me,if so,look at this:

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Thunder2786
04/17/2019 03:41 AM (UTC)
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Randwulf
Spider804

Could just be a random Oni, don't they live down there

Moloch, or not, has very similar design, including a 3rd eye. Maybe a generic member of his race ...

Just to prove that oni is not Moloch.

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Randwulf
04/17/2019 03:43 AM (UTC)
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dguiarsuisso
Spider804

Could just be a random Oni, don't they live down there

Idk if you're replying to me,if so,look at this:

In the comic, Scorpion kills Hsu Hao. In MK11, Erron killed him. Maybe Kronika altered the timelines and events, or maybe NRS gave up on plot points. Either way, that corpse resembles Moloch, whether it is, or not. We'll find out either way in a week.

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Spider804
04/17/2019 03:43 AM (UTC)
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If it is Moloch, he shaved that Mohawk

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Randwulf
04/17/2019 03:55 AM (UTC)
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dguiarsuisso
Randwulf
Spider804

Could just be a random Oni, don't they live down there

Moloch, or not, has very similar design, including a 3rd eye. Maybe a generic member of his race ...

Just to prove that oni is not Moloch.

Seems I'm 2 months late on this. It is Moloch, but why is he in Goro's Lair if we know Quan Chi had his head? Hmm... https://youtu.be/aXkGO8U4Cn0

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Leo
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04/17/2019 04:32 AM (UTC)
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TomTaz

*sighs* Well, of course she didn’t. After all that would have made this game too perfect for me. I’ll be honest, I am so beyond sick of this happening to her. This’ll be the third time they’ve pulled this crap with Sonya. Never a straight answer as to why either.

Why do they not dare to do this with any of the others? Before anyone brings up “Well, Sub doesn’t have his ice clone move anymore (which also pisses me off, make no mistake)”. It’s not exactly the same. Sub lost one move from his arsenal. Sonya, on the other hand, was practically gutted. Just like in MKDA. They took away every signature/iconic move she had. Except one. Now am I saying she had to have ALL of them? No. However the ones that are her most iconic should always be in her arsenal without fail. The Leg Grab is her most iconic and unique move. In MK that is something that’s only hers. Something she is known for. This move is her Scorpion Spear move. The kart wheel is another move that has been a staple for her. The rising bike kick is another (though it’s ok that this one sit out temporarily because they gave her a similar move with rising punches instead). Then, to add insult to injury, not only did they take her best and most powerful move away... they replaced it with the signature move of Liu Kang! And here they are doing it again in MK11! I saw in her variation move list... that damn fly kick! Why?! Sonya is better than hand-me-downs!

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that they wouldn’t dream about doing this to the other mainstays of the series. Spear, Ice ball, hat toss, acid spit, and etc etc... these fighters will never be without these moves. They won’t because these moves are a big part of who these characters are in the story. I doubt anyone would play a Scorpion with no spear. In fighting games, special moves are just a much a part of the fighters as their history and fighting styles are. Special moves are a big part of what makes these characters favs to the people who play them. You start switching that up (especially with the core signature moves), and that character is no longer who they were to their fans. They’ve been regressed to amateur cosplayers of their former selves. Right now, that is what Sonya appears as to me this game. A blonde fighter who dressed up like Sonya, but knows shit about her.

Boon would never have the balls to pull this shit with Scorpion. Fans would be calling for his blood. But it’s just fine to do it to Sonya not once, but multiple times! I thought NRS had learned their lesson after MKDA/MKA when they gave Sonya all her signatures back in MK vs DC... So why strip her of all of them again when you know it didn’t go over well the first time?!

Look, the drone/heavy tech crap fits way better for Cassie. Up until MKX, the only “tech” Sonya ever used were the wrist bands that allowed her to fire off the energy rings (and even that was retconned in as originally they had said the rings were the result of Sonya calling forth her Chi... it was in a magazine/book about MK 3 and the making of it and interviews about character designs and moves for the game). The rest of Sonya’s fighting style and moves centered around her martial arts and gymnastic skill. In comes MKX and suddenly Sonya’s a tech beast relying heavily on drones and tech pulse grenades. When this was never the case before. The tech and drones should have been exclusive to Cassie and Jacqui. Now Sonya’s still relying on a drone and has lost just about all of her signature moves....why? I literally see no need for them to have done this (especially with Cassie and Jacqui in the game to cover the military tech soldier roles) from either a story or design perspective.

They wouldn’t do this to anyone else and I, for one, am fed up with them doing it to Sonya repeatedly. I’m sorry. I went on a longer rant than I had anticipated. However, before judging, put yourself in my shoes or the shoes of any other Sonya fan. Think of how you would feel if your fav character of years was all but gutted and there was little left to even recognize them as your favorite main. I doubt you’d be any happier or dismissive of it than I am. Sonya has become unrecognizable to her fans. Like I said, simply a blonde cosplayer dressing the part but knowing nothing of the character.

It was said that down the line they may add more special moves to the variation move options. My last hope is that they cave a little and give Sonya back at least a couple of her signature moves (one of which HAS to be the leg grab). That coupled with the energy rings will at least make her feel like Sonya again.

I understand how you feel. I'm not thrilled about it, either. None of her fans are, really. Though she seems to play great, and like SlickRick said, her strings flow nicely, (and ultimately that's the most important thing), I can't help but think about how the Leg Grab or the Kiss Stun or even the Kartwheel would be more satisfying to have than the Anti-Air Punches or the Ass-Kicking combo.

Now--not that I'm defending the lack of her classic moves--but it seems to me like NRS has been trying to go increasingly further down the "realistic" path with her. You see Sonya's moves have become progressively more "believable" (inasmuch as anything in MK is believable). And so in this game, they went all out in making her fight as a Special Forces soldier would. Unfortunately, that meant making the Leg Grab into a more "realistic" leg sweep (and they have been referring to that move as the Leg Grab in the Kasts), and dropping things like the Kiss Stun completely (which had already been aesthetically toned down in MKX for her X-Ray), as well as the Arc Kick, in favor of slightly more "Earthrealm warrior" moves. It seems to me that they want her, and the other characters in her circle (with the exception of Johnny, who has the 'ancient god warrior' thing going) moving simply like kick-ass fighters, with little to no supernatural element. I kind of understand what they're doing, even if I do miss some of those things terribly.

I, too, am hoping they add some of the classics down the line. But more than that, I'm willing to bet that I'll still have a lot of fun with her this time around, and I'll find a multitude of things about her that I'll enjoy and that might become new favorites. I mean, her play-style looks sick as hell--the strings, the mix-ups, the meterless pop-up, the re-stand; I think we'll be okay in the end.

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"Retirement my ass!"

04/17/2019 06:03 AM (UTC)Edited 04/17/2019 06:07 AM (UTC)
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I hear you Leo, but I don’t agree. It’s wrong. Everyone in this game, humans, Gods, cyborgs and monsters alike all do stuff no one could actually do. That’s kind of the point and the source of the fun. Going by your theory, then that means Liu should no longer be able to toss around Fire (and he did that before becoming MK champion) or do his gravity defying bicycle kick. Kung Lao should not be able to teleport by falling through the floor. Jax (and he even did this while he had human arms) should not be able to cause small quakes by punching the ground. No real human would be able to do that, I don’t care how big their muscles are. The bionic arms change that up, however... but like I said he was doing that before the bionic enhancements. The point is, even though they should take away these moves (if that’s really the route they’re trying to take with Sonya) to keep it fair and have all human characters be restricted to special moves that only real humans could pull off... it won’t happen because doing that across the board to all humans in MK would make them very uninteresting and extremely boring to play. Why then do it to Sonya and make her character suffer and leave the others untouched? Humans cannot throw fire out of nowhere. Humans cannot teleport.

Besides, if this is potentially Sonya’s last game, why can’t her fans have her at her glory? In the form that made them love her in the first place? It still makes not a bit of sense to me. I really hope that they do the right thing and add those moves into the variation move list after launch. Boon said we’d be able to “make classic versions of the characters through the variation system” *not a direct word-for-word quote, but damn close.

Then again, maybe that’s bullshit too. After all he’s also been quoted as saying this:

”Nobody wants to pay for reality!” - Ed Boon

Now all of the sudden they seem to be making a good number of their decisions on realism’s sake. So much for that then.

like I said, Leo, I get what you’re saying. You’re certainly having a better time adjusting to this than me. However, I just can’t agree with what their doing... especially if it’s for that reason, when they’re not bothering to do the same to the other humans (with Jax the exception because of the bionic arms now).

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prodigy004
04/17/2019 06:23 AM (UTC)
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I want to see some Shao Kahn gameplay! I’m surprised with people having a copy early there’s no gameplay videos. Of course they would get taken down but that’s never stopped anybody.

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Los Rojos
04/17/2019 06:26 AM (UTC)
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Shawn Kittlesen has said the comics are canon..

I wouldn't read too much into the carrying of heads in fighters' entrances. Could just be Boon's nod to the fans.

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ActingArtist
04/17/2019 07:39 AM (UTC)
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SlickRick82

Tournament stage has banners for the characters your playing as. Remixed classic music (from the movie) aaaaaaand arcade machines playing classics games like Shaolin Monks and Deception in the background!!

I assume you checked out Sonya by now... I think you know what I’m getting at here. Do I want to know? Or is it bad news?

She seems great so far. Managed a decent 15 hit 1 bar combo for 30 damage. Her strings flow very nicely. Kitanas 2nd fatality is incredible. She guts the opponent, spins on the spot creating a vacuum which plus their intestines out. Really fucking gory lol

Actually, I was referring to her signature moves (or lack there of) lol. However the rest is good to know too.

@Onaga: Cool, because I didn’t want that either and was afraid I had started it over here. *edit* I don’t know, I think the Kitana skin shown in this thread is sort of unique compared to the other outfits. However, like I said, it comes down to opinion. An “eye of the beholder” type of deal. So folks are allowed to state those thoughts. Infact, I apologize for the “that’s not true” comment. If that is what you believe, you’re more than entitled to do so.

Ahh No leg grab or Arc Kick I’m afraid. She does have a cool double kick in the air which can be good as a jump in combo starter. No dive kick either though

*sighs* Well, of course she didn’t. After all that would have made this game too perfect for me. I’ll be honest, I am so beyond sick of this happening to her. This’ll be the third time they’ve pulled this crap with Sonya. Never a straight answer as to why either.

Why do they not dare to do this with any of the others? Before anyone brings up “Well, Sub doesn’t have his ice clone move anymore (which also pisses me off, make no mistake)”. It’s not exactly the same. Sub lost one move from his arsenal. Sonya, on the other hand, was practically gutted. Just like in MKDA. They took away every signature/iconic move she had. Except one. Now am I saying she had to have ALL of them? No. However the ones that are her most iconic should always be in her arsenal without fail. The Leg Grab is her most iconic and unique move. In MK that is something that’s only hers. Something she is known for. This move is her Scorpion Spear move. The kart wheel is another move that has been a staple for her. The rising bike kick is another (though it’s ok that this one sit out temporarily because they gave her a similar move with rising punches instead). Then, to add insult to injury, not only did they take her best and most powerful move away... they replaced it with the signature move of Liu Kang! And here they are doing it again in MK11! I saw in her variation move list... that damn fly kick! Why?! Sonya is better than hand-me-downs!

The thing that pisses me off the most about this is that they wouldn’t dream about doing this to the other mainstays of the series. Spear, Ice ball, hat toss, acid spit, and etc etc... these fighters will never be without these moves. They won’t because these moves are a big part of who these characters are in the story. I doubt anyone would play a Scorpion with no spear. In fighting games, special moves are just a much a part of the fighters as their history and fighting styles are. Special moves are a big part of what makes these characters favs to the people who play them. You start switching that up (especially with the core signature moves), and that character is no longer who they were to their fans. They’ve been regressed to amateur cosplayers of their former selves. Right now, that is what Sonya appears as to me this game. A blonde fighter who dressed up like Sonya, but knows shit about her.

Boon would never have the balls to pull this shit with Scorpion. Fans would be calling for his blood. But it’s just fine to do it to Sonya not once, but multiple times! I thought NRS had learned their lesson after MKDA/MKA when they gave Sonya all her signatures back in MK vs DC... So why strip her of all of them again when you know it didn’t go over well the first time?!

Look, the drone/heavy tech crap fits way better for Cassie. Up until MKX, the only “tech” Sonya ever used were the wrist bands that allowed her to fire off the energy rings (and even that was retconned in as originally they had said the rings were the result of Sonya calling forth her Chi... it was in a magazine/book about MK 3 and the making of it and interviews about character designs and moves for the game). The rest of Sonya’s fighting style and moves centered around her martial arts and gymnastic skill. In comes MKX and suddenly Sonya’s a tech beast relying heavily on drones and tech pulse grenades. When this was never the case before. The tech and drones should have been exclusive to Cassie and Jacqui. Now Sonya’s still relying on a drone and has lost just about all of her signature moves....why? I literally see no need for them to have done this (especially with Cassie and Jacqui in the game to cover the military tech soldier roles) from either a story or design perspective.

They wouldn’t do this to anyone else and I, for one, am fed up with them doing it to Sonya repeatedly. I’m sorry. I went on a longer rant than I had anticipated. However, before judging, put yourself in my shoes or the shoes of any other Sonya fan. Think of how you would feel if your fav character of years was all but gutted and there was little left to even recognize them as your favorite main. I doubt you’d be any happier or dismissive of it than I am. Sonya has become unrecognizable to her fans. Like I said, simply a blonde cosplayer dressing the part but knowing nothing of the character.

It was said that down the line they may add more special moves to the variation move options. My last hope is that they cave a little and give Sonya back at least a couple of her signature moves (one of which HAS to be the leg grab). That coupled with the energy rings will at least make her feel like Sonya again.

I FEEL YOU!

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Spirit_Wolf
04/17/2019 08:11 AM (UTC)
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Omg please elaborate!

I'm beginnig to wonder if this picture is fake. Because looking at it closely, Mercy stands crooked, or maybe it was the animation, but considering the other text animation, highly unlikely. Font also is different.
And I just find it odd they would ditch the requirement of only performing a Mercy in the final round and you would need to perform it that close. In MK3, you had to perform Mercy from far away.

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Spider804
04/17/2019 08:32 AM (UTC)
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Ed Boon: NOBODY WANTS TO PAY FOR REALITY!

....He says 25 years ago after having just made MK3 starring Paul Blart: Mall Cop sans mustache and Segway.

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wellingtonsh15
04/17/2019 10:37 AM (UTC)
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What are Klassic Towers?

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Zv1k0
04/17/2019 11:09 AM (UTC)
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Sonya and Hsu Hao die. Thats all people are saying for now about story deaths.

Well I didn't know that and I thought this thread wasn't about story spoilers. Thanks. :)

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Spirit_Wolf
04/17/2019 11:10 AM (UTC)
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wellingtonsh15

What are Klassic Towers?

Just the traditional arcade way of going through an arcade ladder (without extra modifiers and such).

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wellingtonsh15
04/17/2019 12:44 PM (UTC)
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So things like endless and test your lucky are out?

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ravendozier954
04/17/2019 01:49 PM (UTC)
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Nobody has even spoken about the kronika battle in arcade tower. What is she like? Any arcade endings? Nothing? Who is the sub boss?

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Gillbob316
04/17/2019 02:48 PM (UTC)
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ravendozier954

Nobody has even spoken about the kronika battle in arcade tower. What is she like? Any arcade endings? Nothing? Who is the sub boss?

I seem to remember someone from NRS saying in a random interview back around release day that Geras was the sub-boss. Though I have no idea if that information still holds up today.

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Gillbob316
04/17/2019 03:23 PM (UTC)Edited 04/17/2019 03:47 PM (UTC)
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Someone is streaming the game in French on Youtube as we speak, if anyone is interested in watching random gameplay that's not in English, lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eK57j2Jk0E&feature=youtu.be

I believe (from what I've read) he doesn't have access to Story Mode, and thus there should be no story spoilers. He says he doesn't have access to everything yet.

EDIT: Fair warning, the streamers are fairly obnoxious... but... dat footage.

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Nix Dolores
04/17/2019 04:08 PM (UTC)
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Gillbob316

Someone is streaming the game in French on Youtube as we speak, if anyone is interested in watching random gameplay that's not in English, lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eK57j2Jk0E&feature=youtu.be

I believe (from what I've read) he doesn't have access to Story Mode, and thus there should be no story spoilers. He says he doesn't have access to everything yet.

EDIT: Fair warning, the streamers are fairly obnoxious... but... dat footage.

"Fairly obnoxious" is an understatement.

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Nix Dolores
04/17/2019 04:13 PM (UTC)
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Well shit, the stream got shut down xD

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Gillbob316
04/17/2019 04:13 PM (UTC)
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Gillbob316

Someone is streaming the game in French on Youtube as we speak, if anyone is interested in watching random gameplay that's not in English, lol...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eK57j2Jk0E&feature=youtu.be

I believe (from what I've read) he doesn't have access to Story Mode, and thus there should be no story spoilers. He says he doesn't have access to everything yet.

EDIT: Fair warning, the streamers are fairly obnoxious... but... dat footage.

"Fairly obnoxious" is an understatement.

Agreed.

Aaaaand it's shut down.

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