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03/25/2011 04:36 PM (UTC)
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MK DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE SHIT WRITING IN ORDER TO BE A COMMERCIAL SUCCESS.

In fact,writing was the only reason people stuck with the series through Deadly Alliance and Deception.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?
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Jaded-Raven
03/25/2011 04:37 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:

C) Show me the perfect game, nay, the perfect product with all its bases covered every loose end tied up, and I will show you a creator with vast resources. This game does not exist.
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Just wanna butt in here and say I hate this argument. You're saying because there is no such thing as a perfect game that developers shouldn't try to make a game the best it can possibly be? So if Boon and Co. found out that Liu Kang's face looked like shit they would just go, "Oh well no game is perfect guys, nothing we can do about it!"

No, that's bs. Developers don't have to make the perfect game, they just have to try and make the best game they can.


Maybe this is the best they can do. Thought about that?

T-rex Wrote:
MK DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE SHIT WRITING IN ORDER TO BE A COMMERCIAL SUCCESS.

In fact,writing was the only reason people stuck with the series through Deadly Alliance and Deception.

What the fuck is wrong with you people?


So you're saying that MKDA-MKD is good writing?
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RazorsEdge701
03/25/2011 04:41 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Maybe this is the best they can do. Thought about that?


We have proof that they can do better because they have before.

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
So you're saying that MKDA-MKD is good writing?


Best the series ever had.
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scienceguy14
03/25/2011 04:42 PM (UTC)
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someone is full of shit on this thread and im not pointing fingers
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SubMan799
03/25/2011 04:43 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:

C) Show me the perfect game, nay, the perfect product with all its bases covered every loose end tied up, and I will show you a creator with vast resources. This game does not exist.
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Just wanna butt in here and say I hate this argument. You're saying because there is no such thing as a perfect game that developers shouldn't try to make a game the best it can possibly be? So if Boon and Co. found out that Liu Kang's face looked like shit they would just go, "Oh well no game is perfect guys, nothing we can do about it!"

No, that's bs. Developers don't have to make the perfect game, they just have to try and make the best game they can.


Maybe this is the best they can do. Thought about that?


And how would we know it is the best they could do?
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Jaded-Raven
03/25/2011 04:44 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
So you're saying that MKDA-MKD is good writing?


Best the series ever had.


Something we can agree on then. ^^

SubMan799 Wrote:
And how would we know it is the best they could do?


I don't know... Any suggestions? We could ask them?

By the way, who made your sig? I've noticed others have such as well...
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unseenwombat
03/25/2011 04:51 PM (UTC)
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Obviously they could do better. A simple thing like Jade's skin that even you, who have no experience with video games, can change in about 5 minutes on photoshop, and meanwhile they've detailed individual pieces of aggregate in the dead pool's spalled concrete walkway. It's just silly to think otherwise.
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Darkhound74
03/25/2011 04:53 PM (UTC)
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I will say after playing MK:DA and MK:D, I had high hopes for this next game........then MK:A showed up and kicked me right between the legs.
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SubMan799
03/25/2011 04:54 PM (UTC)
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Jaded, I haven't read the spoilers so I wouldn't know the story of this game, but what I've heard from pretty much everyone besides Bezou is that its pretty bad =\

And we know the MK Team can write one hell of a story. MK1-MKD is a testament to that

Also, Pred made the sig. He's a genius
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scienceguy14
03/25/2011 04:56 PM (UTC)
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lmao i find it funny somebody skulled me.....so they must be the one fos
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Jaded-Raven
03/25/2011 04:58 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Jaded, I haven't read the spoilers so I wouldn't know the story of this game, but what I've heard from pretty much everyone besides Bezou is that its pretty bad =\

And we know the MK Team can write one hell of a story. MK1-MKD is a testament to that

Also, Pred made the sig. He's a genius


I like it. I won't spoil anything, but it totally twists the storyline we know.
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SubMan799
03/25/2011 05:01 PM (UTC)
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well that's the thing. I didn't really need a twist on the original trilogy's story. It was great the way it is. Just some clarifications on somethings would have been great. From what I've heard its a complete redesign of the story. I dunno, I'll play through it and then make my judgement
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Espio872
03/25/2011 05:02 PM (UTC)
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I just read over the past couple of pages and the more I think about it, Razor and several others have a good point. If The God of War creators can be so involved in insuring something as minor as Kratos having a more golden color to his blade, why is it outrageous to expect character and story consistency?

@Fenix Your argument of "what was the last game you guys made?", is not a logical nor acceptable argument, it's pretty much an assertion of, "you've never done it, be quiet and don't criticize unless you've made a game before", which pretty much reminds me of when people criticize a government's policies and then someone else says, "you've never had to lead a country, you don't understand"

I'm a writer, it doesn't mean that non-writers can't criticize my work and I'm beyond crtique from them, that's just absurd and ridiciulous.

If you don't care about the little things, that's fine, but don't assert that people who do care about the little things are demanding perfection, consistent story elements and things like that are not unreasonable requests.


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Espio872
03/25/2011 05:10 PM (UTC)
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GodlyShinnok Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:
Milaana Wrote:
GodlyShinnok Wrote:
Kratos is so awesome, I'll go ahead and main him along with Sub-Zero and destroy a lot of noobs online.


God please erase all these errors you made...


Oh brother, Milaana's gonna bring the rain....


Kratos > Mileena grin

lol

Kyzon Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:
Milaana Wrote:
GodlyShinnok Wrote:
Kratos is so awesome, I'll go ahead and main him along with Sub-Zero and destroy a lot of noobs online.


God please erase all these errors you made...


Oh brother, Milaana's gonna bring the rain....


Pun is hilarious.



Heh, good eye.
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unseenwombat
03/25/2011 05:14 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
well that's the thing. I didn't really need a twist on the original trilogy's story. It was great the way it is. Just some clarifications on somethings would have been great. From what I've heard its a complete redesign of the story. I dunno, I'll play through it and then make my judgement
The twists are cool, I think, especially Liu Kang's. And I'm okay with them because they're plausible given that Raiden has changed things. The thing that bothers me though is the inconsistencies that are not plausible, unless Raiden sent a message back to a version of himself in a completely different universe. (Or maybe Raiden has done this multiple times, sending messages as far back as 500 years prior). Whatever the reason, there are things that don't make any sense, so NRS has alotta 'splainin' to do in de nex game.
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03/25/2011 05:20 PM (UTC)
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Okay, real talk; Anyone who claims MK9 is not the best NRS can do is fucking retarded.

Perfection != The best you can do. Perfection is unnattainable in any arena.
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Jaded-Raven
03/25/2011 05:53 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:

Also, Pred made the sig. He's a genius


This is off-topic, but I took a shot at making a Jade one. ^^



I wonder if I should get permission to use it... I mean, it's basically copying Pred's work and I've noticed that those who has such avatars are Portal Guards or more....
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unseenwombat
03/25/2011 06:00 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Okay, real talk; Anyone who claims MK9 is not the best NRS can do is fucking retarded.

Perfection != The best you can do. Perfection is unnattainable in any arena.
So you really think they meant to have
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Raiden say that Kung Lao was GKL reincarnate when he knew Shang stole GKL's soul 500 years ago?
And you really think they mean for the long hair to look like a huge greasy black arm with too many elbows, when other games have no problem getting hair to look natural? Or that NO ONE even once said, "wait, Jade isn't that color in the game, darken up that render a little bit." or "How about we have Jax pull the arms off first?"

If you do, then that is retarded.
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03/25/2011 06:57 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Okay, real talk; Anyone who claims MK9 is not the best NRS can do is fucking retarded.



Eh, I'm not comfortable with that given that this discussion has been story-related rather than gameplay and presentation driven. As a story device, MK2011 is insane laziness and clearly not the best they can do.
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Icebaby
03/25/2011 07:28 PM (UTC)
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So, just for hand raisers... who ACTUALLY doesn't mind seeing Kratos in this game?

*Looks to the right and left, slowly raising hand*

Anyone else?
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Espio872
03/25/2011 07:31 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
So, just for hand raisers... who ACTUALLY doesn't mind seeing Kratos in this game?

*Looks to the right and left, slowly raising hand*

Anyone else?


I've changed my stance on him, so you can count me in as well, guest character issues aside, at least we have an extra character to throw down with, heck he might even be fun to play with as well.
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Cyborg
03/25/2011 07:35 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
So, just for hand raisers... who ACTUALLY doesn't mind seeing Kratos in this game?

*Looks to the right and left, slowly raising hand*

Anyone else?


I don't mind his inclusion. Having a guest character, especially one as popular and fitting as Kratos, doesn't take away the MK feeling and focus of this game. He's just going to get it even more attention than it's already going to get due to it's increase in quality and presentation, so the more potential fans and purchasers, the better.

For what it's worth, I have read over a few summaries of the beginning of the story, without trying to spoil too much by looking a lot into it, and I think things are great. I think those who are open to change and understand that this game is setting a new path, and that things will change and twists and turns are present, everything we knew before doesn't apply here...will enjoy it. The ones who hate the story, are the ones who wanted it to be exactly like MK1-3 with very minor unimportant changes. So depending on where you stand, you should know if you'll enjoy it or not.
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03/25/2011 07:48 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
So, just for hand raisers... who ACTUALLY doesn't mind seeing Kratos in this game?

*Looks to the right and left, slowly raising hand*

Anyone else?


I've been in favor of Kratos' appearance in MK since the earliest rumors.
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Jaded-Raven
03/25/2011 08:17 PM (UTC)
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I would still prefer if he wasn't in, buuuuuuuuuuuuut I've warmed up to the idea of having him in the game as a guest character... So all in all, I don't mind.

*raises hand*
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Darkhound74
03/25/2011 08:25 PM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
So, just for hand raisers... who ACTUALLY doesn't mind seeing Kratos in this game?

*Looks to the right and left, slowly raising hand*

Anyone else?


*Raises hand as well*
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