Ed Boon and Stig Asmussen Talk Kratos on Playstation Blog

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•03/25/2011 03:43 PM (UTC) •

I'm sorry they were busy doing ALL THE OTHER WONDERFUL SHIT IN THE GAME instead of fixing noob's name.

Its not as easy as you think kids. Try it some time.

•03/25/2011 03:45 PM (UTC) •

scienceguy14 Wrote:
I have a great idea how about razor fills out an application for NRS studios and fix all the problems that are stated so when the next game drops it will be perfect and the best mk ever

The best MK ever in his own eyes, that is.

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•03/25/2011 03:46 PM (UTC) •

And thats another thing. Jaded Raven's the one with Jade in his sig. ANd He / she doesn't give a shit. Why do you? Why should they?

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•03/25/2011 03:47 PM (UTC) •

Jaded-Raven Wrote:

The best MK ever in his own eyes, that is.

At least it would be coherent.

I predict MK10 will reveal that Shang Tsung was actually an Elder God all along. No, not that he became an elder god by some magic or winning of a tournament or any turn of events. He just was and we didn't know it. Everything you thought you knew about him for the past 9 games was just wrong. Now it's right. He's an elder god and mentor to Motaro, who didn't really die. He's the protector god of Order Realm.

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•03/25/2011 03:49 PM (UTC) •

Dear Ed Boon, please make that happen.

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•03/25/2011 03:50 PM (UTC) •

Fenix Wrote:
And thats another thing. Jaded Raven's the one with Jade in his sig. ANd He / she doesn't give a shit. Why do you? Why should they?

At this point, I'm thinking this is one of those "if you have to ask, you'll never understand" sorts of things. I can't MAKE someone care about detail, consistency, and artistic integrity if they're just naturally not inclined to.

For me, as an artist myself, it's...inherent. It's self-evident. Every brushstroke matters because I care about the quality of my work. For someone who just wants to press buttons and have fun, Jade could be asian like in Annihilation again and they'd probably shrug and learn to live with it.

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•03/25/2011 03:49 PM (UTC) •

It does bother me how they change stuff alot. look at liu kang's face. it changed from mk vs dc to what it is now.

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•03/25/2011 03:53 PM (UTC) •

Oh, I care. I would love to have a perfect game, but a perfect game doesn't exist and I know why. You apparently do not.

I care more that the game is awesome. DA, DE, A, hell, even DC has a lot of that stuff you're asking for. And those games suck. This game is awesome. If its missing Sub Zero's scar, who gives a crap?

Edit: And that's my point entirely. YOU, alone, as an artist can care about every brush stroke. A multimillion dollar collaborative effort between two firms and like 200 people CAN NOT. You hit the major points and you make sure it sells and then you ship. Period.

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•03/25/2011 03:55 PM (UTC) •

queve Wrote:

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:

- Why is Raiden's costume different from one render to the next in this game's promotional material?

I agree with you regarding everything you have said, except this point.

I don't see this as a "mistake" or a "wrong doing" or something equally as bad or fatal as all those other things you mentioned.

The costume might just be different because they were trying out different designs for him and a main design was yet to be chosen or complete.

If those renders featured an unrecognizable Raiden (red hair, strange pupils, different skin color), then yes, I'd agree.

I didnt read the script but does the trailer scene where Raiden is fighting Kahn from Armageddon? That could explain why both of them have different costumes in-game....since those would be from the future.

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•03/25/2011 03:56 PM (UTC) •

first of all jade has always had dark skin color since her first appearance.......its the MOVIE that fucked it up not the game.

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•03/25/2011 03:58 PM (UTC) •

See, you play the game for the button pressing.

I play it to appreciate a colorful, interesting world full of characters and stories I enjoy following. Or at least, I DID play it for that reason. But that's pretty much been killed off and now I too, like you, only have pressing buttons to gain enjoyment from.

And for that, I feel like the franchise is lesser whereas you, because that's all you ever liked in the first place, are clearly happy with the results.

Obviously, the ideal would be to have a game that plays like this, but looks and reads like DA and Deception. Best of both worlds then.

The difference is, I think they actually CAN make a game like that, they're just NOT. Whereas you think "Well, this is the best they can do".

•03/25/2011 03:58 PM (UTC) •

Fenix Wrote:
And thats another thing. Jaded Raven's the one with Jade in his sig. ANd He / she doesn't give a shit. Why do you? Why should they?

He, thanks. ^^

Razor cares about Mortal Kombat. But like many others, he has an idea of how MK should be like in his head, and when things aren't like that in a game, he'll express it with such ferocity that it makes those who has another opinion than him feel like they're wrong when overall it's just a matter of opinion.

In Razor's world, there is no room for mistakes. There is no room for change. There is only his Mortal Kombat. And he isn't open-minded about what the creators of the game like to do this time around, derailing the whole storyline and take it down a new path.

These are my personal observations and conclusions from what I've read of Razor's posts and responses. And though he is right about many things like the lack of consistency in the minor details and such, he's still forgetting that it is those who are making the game that decides it's fate.

I applaud NRS for doing something new storyline wise, though there are some hiccups in the storyline where I'm all "Wait, that's not how it was before" such as...

Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
... Mileena's late "birth" and that Shang Tsung calls her a perfected clone of Kitana...

... and stuff like that. But I am overbearing and I'll await until I have the game in my hand and have played it through before I decide wether or not it's believable.

Gameplay wise and graphic wise... then this MK is the best in the series to date, in my opinion. There are some changes I'd like to make aesthetical to a few characters, sure, but the overall result is rather awesome.

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•03/25/2011 03:59 PM (UTC) •

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Hmm, though I don't like the idea of a guest character, I'm glad they've actually thought it through and did some effort in making him instead of just doing a half-assed job about it. It means that they are serious about it at least. I'd be even more furious if they didn't do a good job about it and put in an unfinished guest character... That would be really screwing over the MK characters that didn't make it to the main roster!

That said, I'm happy for Ed Boon about this. He got to put one of his favourite characters into his own game! I mean, if I had that opportunity, then I would go for it as well. For Boon, this is a dream coming true, and for that, I am happy for him. ^^

I guess that's why Xbox doesn't have an exclusive character... Ed Boon doesn't have a favourite character that is Xbox exclusive. It would make sense... Anyways, I don't want to turn this thread into another console war which most Kratos/exclusive content threads turn into.

If I was one who was making a fighting game that had success, and then Rare/Microsoft tells me that they'd like to have a Killer Instinct character to star in it, and that it would be Orchid... I would be super-thrilled! Even if it meant that she would be an Xbox exclusive character, then I'd make it happen!

I totally understands why Boon gave Kratos a spot as a guest character in MK. I might not agree with guest characters, but I understand why he's making it happen. And from the footage we've seen, Kratos actually looks cool in the game and his stage is beautiful. It's like taken straight out of God of War 3.

I've become more open about having Kratos in the game now. ^^

150% this.

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•03/25/2011 04:06 PM (UTC) •

If you ordered a hamburger with ketchup and got one with mustard, would you just take it, or would you go "this isn't what I wanted"?

When you watch The Phantom Menace, do you go "it doesn't matter if I like it or not, it's George's to do what he wants and he wanted Jar-Jar", or do you go "Man, this isn't a very good movie"?

I don't get where this whole "eating shit with a smile" attitude some of you are presenting comes from, how you have it in your personalities to be so submissive.

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•03/25/2011 04:10 PM (UTC) •

@Razor,

A) Maybe you should visit my website for starters. I'm the biggest "story" fanatic you will ever meet. In fact, I wager I care more about any one aspect of any game than you do about all of them combined. IMO, MK hasn't had a functional story since the opening cinematic to De.

B) A fan who "cared" about the story would have digested it in the medium it was intended to be delivered, not read it all like a shopping list on the internet.

C) Show me the perfect game, nay, the perfect product with all its bases covered every loose end tied up, and I will show you a creator with vast resources. This game does not exist.

Just because you love and obsess over a thing does not mean that you know whats best for it or how it should / could be done. Video game making, hell, production of anything is HARD and sacrifices must be made. Now if you make those sacrifices and your product comes out like a sloppy bag of dog turds (ie: mka) then the label of lazy incompetent failure certainly applies. But if the greatest of MK9s sins is that they made a story a bunch of self proclaim purists hate, invited an awesome character that polarized the community, and Jade's image on her website is the wrong skin color? They have undoubtedly succeeded.

•03/25/2011 04:12 PM (UTC) •

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
If you ordered a hamburger with ketchup and got one with mustard, would you just take it, or would you go "this isn't what I wanted"?

When you watch The Phantom Menace, do you go "it doesn't matter if I like it or not, it's George's to do what he wants and he wanted Jar-Jar", or do you go "Man, this isn't a very good movie"?

I don't get where this whole "eating shit with a smile" attitude some of you are presenting comes from, how you have it in your personalities to be so submissive.

No one is asking you to just take it. For all I care, don't buy the game if you are so unhappy about it. But you got to learn that you won't always get it your way. That's not how the world goes.

A burger you can do something about, you can go up and ask for what you ordered. You can't do that about a movie or a game, because they are not made to fit your principles or needs.

You think it's shit, doesn't mean it actually is shit. That's just your opinion.

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•03/25/2011 04:12 PM (UTC) •

I will say this though........ I always liked how the GoW developers made sure that Kratos was their top priority and not making drastic changes to his character and kept the things that actually made sense from game to game.

I'm not complaining because the NRS team has done an amazing job, if they wanted to lazy the wouldn't have taken the time to individually map and model each fighters internal structure. It just seems that some of the things they have done they could have done better like the fatalities. All these fighters have these amazing abilities and most of them are just doing hack-and-slash fatalities.

But it's just small things that many people notice that never get changed is what is a little frustrating.

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•03/25/2011 04:21 PM (UTC) •

Darkhound74 Wrote:
I'm not complaining because the NRS team has done an amazing job, if they wanted to lazy the wouldn't have taken the time to individually map and model each fighters internal structure.

Why don't the cyberninja skeletons look cybernetic like in MK3? They have the same skeletons as everybody else but with oil-blood and blue cables.

I wonder if Baraka's spikes even show up on the armbones of his skeleton or if they're only skin deep on the model.

•03/25/2011 04:21 PM (UTC) •

Darkhound74 Wrote:
I will say this though........ I always liked how the GoW developers made sure that Kratos was their top priority and not making drastic changes to his character and kept the things that actually made sense from game to game.

I'm not complaining because the NRS team has done an amazing job, if they wanted to lazy the wouldn't have taken the time to individually map and model each fighters internal structure. It just seems that some of the things they have done they could have done better like the fatalities. All these fighters have these amazing abilities and most of them are just doing hack-and-slash fatalities.

But it's just small things that many people notice that never get changed is what is a little frustrating.

When reading this, it occurs to me... I believe the reason NRS aren't as consistent as they could have been and that there is a few missing details here and there is because... NRS is a bunch of boys! Sure, there are women working there too, that's not my point... but they care more about the cool-factor of the game than the minor details. Sure, they want to make a great game, but they also want it to have this WHAUW feeling to it... and that's basically what they've done with this game.

AFTER that comes the storyline, the character consistency etc.
I think that's how it works at NRS... it would certainly explain alot.

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•03/25/2011 04:25 PM (UTC) •

unseenwombat Wrote:

Jaded-Raven Wrote:

The best MK ever in his own eyes, that is.

At least it would be coherent.

This should've been the /thread right here.

Jaded-Raven Wrote:

No one is asking you to just take it. For all I care, don't buy the game if you are so unhappy about it. But you got to learn that you won't always get it your way. That's not how the world goes.

A burger you can do something about, you can go up and ask for what you ordered. You can't do that about a movie or a game, because they are not made to fit your principles or needs.

You think it's shit, doesn't mean it actually is shit. That's just your opinion.

For fuck's sake,we've been over this a billion times already.

Writing has to conform to certain principles and guidelines. If it doesn't,then it's poor writing. And no amount of BUT THAT'S JUST LIKE YOUR OPINION MAN is gonna change that. The only people who say that are the ones who can't back up their side of the argument.

•03/25/2011 04:30 PM (UTC) •

T-rex Wrote:

unseenwombat Wrote:

Jaded-Raven Wrote:

The best MK ever in his own eyes, that is.

At least it would be coherent.

This should've been the /thread right here.

Twilight series is bad writing... But look at it's success!
Beowulf is good writing... But no one cares about Beowulf! Not even after they made a beautiful movie about it. It wasn't really a huge success.

Lord of the Rings is good writing, and both the books and the movies were a huge success!

So yes, I dare say it's about people's opinions rather than what is good and what is bad writing.

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•03/25/2011 04:31 PM (UTC) •

Jaded-Raven Wrote:

Twilight series is bad writing... But look at it's success!
Beowulf is good writing... But no one cares about Beowulf! Not even after they made a beautiful movie about it. It wasn't really a huge success.

Lord of the Rings is good writing, and both the books and the movies were a huge success!

So yes, I dare say it's about people's opinions rather than what is good and what is bad writing.

You can't be fucking serious.

You are able to comprehend the difference between "commercial success" and "artistic legitimacy",right? Because at this point I'm not even sure anymore...