LOL i side with chrome aswell. Drop all characters with revealing outfits...The game would have to be renamed from mortal kombat to mortal sausage-fest. I still dont see what the debate is all about

So basically, you want all the female characters dropped from the game? In that cause, you're right, the game then should be called MK Sausage Fest, since the guys will be the only ones present in the game.

A joke of course. Where would mortal kombat be without the ladies. I am happy with how the mortal kombat team is doing it now. More power to em i say

Ok for the record, I'm definitely not trying to be inflammatory here but I have to ask, what else do you would you expect in a MK game? Netherrealm isn't necessarily Team Ninja when it comes to designing female characters but, with the history of MK revolving around being '"over the top" in terms of theme, why would sexuality not fall under that banner? Violence and sex appeal go hand in hand within MK universe and while I certainly understand taking exception to that when stepping back and looking in a broader sense, how can you really be surprised anymore?

I get it though, especially from a fans perspective; you (as well as others) want to see the franchise evolve past its seemingly juvenile tendencies to place such an important emphasis on gratuitous violence and sexuality since the story and characters HAVE evolved over the years. Complex relationships, emotional struggles, moral questions, all of these aspects that have been given attention right alongside the splatters of blood and cleavage. In many ways you have a franchise that seems to cling to its adolescent roots while simultaneously reaching towards deeper themes. It's in this aspect that the expansive world of MK is at odds with itself.

See this is the fundamental question I see facing Netherrealm and the continuation of the franchise; What in essence defines MK? Is it the decapitated heads and brutal fatalities? Is it the rich world and characters established over years of work? How do the two come together to make for a fun experience? Netherrealm has quite the balancing act to maintain.

So Crow, when I see your frustration over something like "Why does Kitana look like a bar wench?" I understand that you're really talking about something larger; "Why does Netherrealm make such an effort to get us to care about a character on one hand, only to trivialize it on the other?" Hopefully Netherrealm begins to understand the implications behind this question when they're discussing the next entry to the series.

From a design point of view, I think Kitana looks good. As another "version" of Kitana ,I'm dissapointed. Her older models not including MK vs DC, represents her as a assassin. This version of her is too too revealing when it comes mostly to her stomach area.

So, for a game to be a "mature" representation, it's female characters have to be dressed in a realistic fashion, and their bodies covered from head to toe? Is this what I am hearing? If so, I'm not really understanding that logic. But it's not for me to understand I guess. We're all different, and we're all going to have a different views. I don't find anything wrong with revealing or sexy outfits on video game characters that exist in a fictional world. As a matter of fact, I very much welcome them. Video games, especially ones like MK, are suppose to be an escape from reality, therefore I am not gonna look for practical things where they won't and shouldn't be. If MK were a game based around actual things in real life, with no War Lords, Sorcerers, Resurrected Queens, Assassins, and Netherrealm Ninjas, then and only then would I have a problem with the attire the females wear, because no would wear that in their everyday life, well, except for cosplay purposes, then I would, lol.

An alternative to the uninspired standard for video game females. Wow, if only something like that existed. No, I'm being dead serious. I know that there are some here and there. It's not like the main character from Beyond Good & Evil looked like a street walker.

But honestly, when it comes to fighting games, the outfits are getting ridiculous. It's not that I don't like skin, I just more or less think that there's more ways to show someone's sex appeal than tearing all their clothes off.

I don't have a problem with the way she's dressed in the sense that I think its' too provocative or too revealing. It's really not. But like I was saying before and what I think Crow's been trying to get at this whole time is that she'd look even better if she had slightly more realistic proportions and an outfit that was a little more creative/sexy than copy of Mileena/slave Leia/completely and utter video game cliche/sexy.

As Xiahoudun said before, and I'll quote him again, it's just lazy costume design. I agree whole heartedly with queve when he said that the pose she's in is straight up awesome. It's really cool! I think that her face looks great and the mask and the hair look cool as well.

But the costume is just uninspired. It's average video game fare. I think that it would be cool to have something that was bit more original. It would be nice if the MK team said "okay, Edenians don't wear a lot of clothes, but she's a princess, how can we take her past looks, her background and really craft something unique for her?" Instead of throwing a loin cloth and a bra on her and saying "done!"

I agree! Not that I have anything against cleavage but I do have beef with the proportions of the female characters.

Ever since the jump to polygonal models the MK team has decided to follow DOA's lead and make their women unrealistically proportioned!

http://www.mortalkombatonline.com/content/games/umk3/kitana/

Take a look at Kitana in her Versus Pose and in her Ending Scene, now compare it to the new render. You cannot seriously compare those and say that the render has realistic proportions. One breast is damn near bigger than Kitana's head! That is not average sized breasts!

This goes with Mileena too IMO. Big boobs do not automatically make a sexy woman. Why can't video game artists grow up and stop making ginormous breasts on characters!?

Clearly you haven't seen the tits on women down here in the south. LoL

I'm not sure if you're responding to me but no, its not that I meant that Kitana has to fight in a giant burlap body sack for modesty's sake or in jeans and a t-shirt for an attempt at realism. I personally like Kitana's core design and while you can argue that this version of the "blue bathing suit" is boring or uninspired, its part of her ironic appearance. My point(s) earlier were simply that:

1. MK seems stuck catering to a mixed fanbase. While I'm not stepping in that steamy pile of "Casual vs Hardcore" mess, I think its fair to say that some consumers recognize and associate MK with the visceral bloody gameplay and exaggerated sexuality in female character design (among other aspects of gameplay). There's also a fanbase that holds the lore and the emphasis put into the MK universe in a significant regard and wants to see the characters represented with that in mind. So no, I'm not just talking about tits here. It's broader than than that.

2. My other point involved exploring the idea of the "over the top" MK and how it meshes with the character depth given to the franchise. Especially in the context of what it means for the future of the franchise. That's a whole 'other conversation and thread though.

This looks awesome, Although, I think its a little too late to have the accents in her costume gold. I do like the deeper blue for Kitana though. The loin cloth needs to be much longer too, it should also be front and back. This is by far the best design for Kitana. I never really liked any of her costumes until now. Her MKvsDC costume was hideous and I never understood why her alternate costume from MKDA was purple. Why was it purple? where did that even come from?

You know what close this thread cause now it is getting way out of hand. They gave the chicks in mk huge tits so what who really cares. In your day to day life how is this really affecting you. I can see it now....."Man I have come up with a cure for the aids virus ,but that is not as important as Kitana's tits" It is a game. She is just a video game character. Jill Valintine is my favorite character in the Resident Evil series. if they decided to give her mamonth boobs that were down to her ankles i would not care. why?...cause she is a video game character

All this fuzz about Kitana's costume reminds me of an episode of South Park - "Good Times with Weapons" - where Cartman's nudity was overrated and kids throwing shurikens on each other was ok.

That is the BEST Kitana look ever. She's so beautiful. I can't wait to see her face.

As a Kitana fanboy I'm surprisingly cool with her outfit. At first I didnt like it, but considering this is MK2 kitana who is still working for Kahn I think the costume actually sort of fits. And I like it overall... I'm glad they didnt just redo her MK3 outfit again. And I actually like this one more than that body armoresque thing she had in MK vs. DC

Now... those damn fans... they look freaking terrible!!! They look like something made out of Sonya's MK4 weapon!!! I wish they would have gone w the classis ones that looked like folded metal... or a more realistic tessen-looking wepaon... or hell... at least something a little nicer looking!
Had they kept her MKDA fans we would have been better off...

Oh good, I think I finally understand now.

You want to know why some people call MK's community a joke? When one person has a different opinion than another they get lynched for it. They get painted as the bad guy, just like how I was painted as "offended", "prude" and "not a MK fan" here. All lies, but to rationalize your own opinions that's what you decided to do. It's offensive to be honest, and why people end up leaving this community. You are all so unfairly hostile and disagreeable. It makes me, the guy who actually runs this place, feel unwelcome to even post.

Once again, my opinion is merely that I would like a character that wasn't all about D-cups and cleavage. That's just me. I'm not asking for everyone to be that way, but I would like one character. Why you ask? It has nothing to do with realism, unless suddenly Kitana would be a "realistic" character if she wore more clothing. Attire has nothing to do with realism; several characters have realistic attires and are still fantasy characters. Characters can still be in the realm of the fantastic no matter if they're completely naked or completely covered. This is merely about what I happen to like the best in terms of character design.

I also never said "all" females in video games were this way, I am referring to the majority and it's the truth. I'm not going to bother quoting whoever said that.

I'm not going to state my opinions on this again after this. I've tried again and again to do it and my words are distorted and people imply I believe things that I do not. As I said, it's disheartening and it makes me honestly "afraid" to post because of the reaction I know I'm going to get. Despite being in the extreme minority, you all become defensive as if everyone is complaining when in reality it is one or two people who even agree with me. I don't mind disagreements either; what I mind are people taking the things I said and making false implications or just outright insulting me. I thank the people who were mature enough to discuss this topic with me without resorting to that.

I just think there's a line and you gotta know where it is. Kitana's always had a laced over cleavage window, that's a trademark part of her design, so I'm fine with seeing that. And bare thighs aren't even scandalous or sex appeal to me.

It's the midriff though. That's what absolutely does not work for me. She looks like a belly dancer or some sort of slave, not a fighter, because of the bare stomach/back.

I also hate the pastel color scheme. Kitana's supposed to be blue and black. Where's the black? Light blue, lighter blue, and silver does not say "Outworld assassin" to me, it says "the developers have forgotten Edenia isn't free yet, and even if it were, when did she turn into such a pussy?"

All that said, I actually like it better than her MKvsDCU costume because at least it looks like actual clothes. The pads and patterns on that stupid thing made no sense at all, it looked like a blind guy sewed it out of a bunch of leather squares and scraps and was trying to create a pair of suspenders but failed.

Because we like a game that isn't very good and are crazy passionate about the least important aspects of it?

And they all should only wear thongs!

... What?

You know in all of this we, myself included, forgot about one thing. DLC. I am pretty sure the team will release things along the lines of classic costume packs and other things. So maybe they will release a classic mk 2 attire or mk 3 attire then everyone will be pleased. now that being said lets just not speak of it anymore

I really don't see what this debate is over. Is Kitana too slutty looking?

If this were real life, yeah. If I saw her walking down the street I'd be line "DAMN what a whore!"

But this is fiction, and she's an assassin from another realm. I'd rather have her wear that then a some frumpy dress or unitard. She'se's not a real person so it's hard to tell her she looks trashy. Unless the MK team decides that she looks like a Tiawana street whore and change her out fit, I think you get a big ol 'Deal with it' stamp on your forehead.

Look I'm not straight, so I can't say for sure, but I think the MK team makes the girls look like this to provoke hormone driven teenagers to buy the game. That's the demographic they market too. Don't like it, become a eunuch or don't play the game.

Is a unic similar to a eunuch?

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I'll fix it right awayz masta!

The board thanks you.

Dude, relax. People are having a conversation about the way she's dressed. Some people think she's dressed too provocatively, some think that her look isn't very original and some like what they see and disagree with one or both of the previous statements.

This is a forum page, where people talk and debate about stuff as insignificant as a character's costumes. The image is thrown out there, so it's kind of natural that it would generate discussion.

And this goes to all the people that seem to throw up their hands and say "well this thread is just about tits." I don't think it's that simple. Some people (myself included) were simply saying that it would be nice to see a little more originality in the costume design. I think it's kind of natural that some people would want a little more complexity in the design and were/are a bit hopful or at least wanting a sort of rethinking over what constitutes "sexy" for women in video games.

To me, that's not some low brow discussion about tits. Most of us here aren't kids. I think we can have a discussion about female sexuality and the originality of a character's look without being labeled kids. To me, the two don't exactly go hand in hand.

So no, I don't think that's mucking up this thread. Besides, it's an image. It's not like it's a gameplay video. What else are people supposed to talk about besides the way she looks? That's literally the ONLY thing worth looking at on the page and yeah, it generated thoughts from people. Big deal.

Sorry, I don't mean to sound like a stroke here, I'm more or less stating that there are some valid points and opinions in this thread. It's certainly not the most important topic in the world when it comes to MK by a long shot, but when it comes to the concept of women and sexuality in video games, yeah, it's going to generate a discussion and it probably always will.

No big deal.