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11/11/2011 06:05 PM (UTC)
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Both of these go out to Queve.

And here's a new bodysuit concept that took liberally from the Catwoman/Jill Valentine battlesuits Queve wanted me to draw inspiration from, though modified to avoid the cleavage and with a healthy dose of my own tweaks, twists, and touches.


VERY COOL!


Another awesome edit by Mr. Garlador. Thanks for tackling this suggestion!

I have only one problem with this outfit, but, first things first:

Now, I really do love the style and design of this costume, particularly the scale-like material (in the black areas) and the color choices. Nicely done (though I am starting to miss at least some of her traditional green)!

That being said, I'm not a fan of the numbers and letters in the costume. Its the one and only thing that makes it not one of my favorites. It looks a bit cartoony and not like a serious or real outfit for her.

The "SF" on her chest looks more like gratify and the "0's" and "1's" look kind of random. I think more serious "futuristic" details like the ones in your (incredibly perfect) "blue/red-suit" would have worked so much better. This letters and numbers look, imho, cartoony and kind of random.

I DO like the big "O" in her hands though, but, mostly because it looks like a "decoration" of the gloves and not really an extra letter or number.

Don't get me wrong, this is a very cool costume and definitely another fun and impressive edit. I really like the colors, and the overall design and its patterns. It's really awesome (loving the neck, arms, and legs the most)....its just those letters and numbers that kind of kill it for me. They seem so out of place and unnecessary.

A more stylish approach of decorations or more straps would make it one of my favorite of your edits. And btw, AMAZING job with the hair! I'm not a supporter of short hair for Sonya, but, damn she looks gorgeous in your render! Awesome awesome job.

All that being said, I do have one constructive criticism about this edit:

It looks rushed and unpolished. Compared to all of your other renders, this is the only one that looks like you didn't pay attention to the "technical details" (not the design).

All of the edges in her hands and (more noticeably) in her legs and upper chest design look rough and unpolished. Her left leg, in particular, looks off. It looks like it could use some of your love and magic. The beginning of that leg looks harsh and the bottom part (exactly where that black-scales thing is attached, next to that "0") is cut in a way that makes it look like something is off (notice how the one in the right leg looks perfect and like its part of the suit).

As for the chest, is perfect except for that "U" curve above that is supposed to spear the boobs. Its the part that "contains" that little "01" in it. It just looks like one side of the curve is noticeably different from the other (which is less curved and more like a straight line). Does that make sense?

Finally, the boots look a bit off. There's something "flat" about them or maybe its just that the right one seems taller for some reason (maybe its just the pose so that's probably fine).

Anyway, please don't hate me, just some friendly constructive observations for you. smile

Overal, it is an awesome costume and I would definitely take it over another shirtless primary with high heels. Good job!

PS: Will definitely get back to the other posts in a few minutes and address the "Yay or Nay futuristic Sonya" comments and opinions.
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11/11/2011 06:38 PM (UTC)
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Ok, guys, please take a look:



Not exactly my vision of Sonya when I was suggesting those earlier "futuristic" costumes for her (inspired by Jill and Catwoman), but, definitely a perfectly balanced approach to the "futuristic" style that she should most definitely have in upcoming games.

She's not wearing a body suit (as I wish she would) and I'd definitely make that top a LOT more futuristic to match those badass pants, but, she is still rocking that futurist look flawlessly (and it also goes to show Mickey and Garlador that red and green CAN work together and look pretty when combined wink).

I definitely support the idea of Sonya looking realistic (Garlador's first renders are definitely among my favorites), however, that doesn't mean that some kind of "fantasy" or "futuristic" elements shouldn't be incorporated into her design

First of all, they don't look out of place for MK or for her character, at all, and second of all, she has a High tech SF/OIA base that creates portals among other things! Her organization is not exactly the realistic one some people think about.

I definitely prefer a military costume that takes those kind of liberties instead of a "standard realistic" look that we see everyday. As badass as she might look, she's also going to look slightly boring, imo.

She is no ordinary every day soldier girl. She might have started out like that, but, she's been doing things and being involved with things that cross that "realistic" line that some people have talked about. That SF base that we've seen along side her fellow SF allies and their costumes are very untraditional and "fantastic". It suits Sonya just as much.

samuhai Wrote:
This is where Quevey and I strongly disagree... One of the few, in fact...


And here I thought that day would never come! wink

samuhai Wrote:

It would look so out of place for both her as a character and among the rest of the roster...


I definitely disagree. It doesn't look far fetched at all when you consider what Jax has been wearing recently, how Kenshi dresses, what the SF and OIA look like with all that technology and portals, and with the Lin Kuei robots running around among other things. Again, refer to that picture above as one of many examples.

It's definitely a different approach (Garladors renders + that pic), but, I don't agree that its unfitting or out of place, at all. If anything, Garlador's futuristic costumes look more believable and make more sense for Sonya than her shirtless primary with high heels. Honestly. Put this costume next to the robots, ninjas, and sorcerers and she fits in just fine.

When Johnny tells her "Oh, so you are serious, that's not a costume!" and she's all like "yeah, Special Forces" I rolled my eyes, because, well, NRS couldn't have been more stupid.

samuhai Wrote:

I said the same about Jax's MK VS DC outfit (which Quevey will also disagree with)... They're not X-Men! :P


We disagree, indeed. wink

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I prefer the grounded realism Sonya has shown in the past. Using Jill Valentine as an example, I will pick RE1, RE3, and pre-brainwashed Jill over RE5 battlesuit Jill any day.


I agree, but, to me, that has nothing to do with the costume.

It has more to do with the fact that Kill, in that awesome RE5 suit, looks NOTHING like Jill. Nothing at all. She might as well have been a new character, because, that make-over was indeed over the top. The costume would have been more fitting for her had it kept her main essence (hair, shirt, etc).

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... But people forget the setting of MK1 was in our real-world 1995 or 1996 era, and Sonya's birth date was actually listed as 1969. We're sort of throwing that out now, apparently, but for a "future solider", she's actually from an era that's now nearly 15 years into our past.


I kind of addressed this above.

It makes sense because the SF, OIA, or whatever organization that she is supposed to represent is clearly very different from the "real one" that we all know. They've taken some huge liberties with Mk's SF since day one, so, I don't find it too improbable that they work with highly advanced technology that remains unavailable or secret for other organizations in the world.

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I personally prefer Sonya to be far more grounded. Clutter her up with tech and armor and you can't let Sonya's more human elements shine through. She's not an armored soldier (like Gray Fox, Master Chief, or any other futuristic warrior), she's just a military girl who learned some kick-ass Tae Kwon Do and Kenpo along the way.


This is true and I actually agree with this statement.

However, giving her (finally) one futuristic body suit as an alternate (for example your glorious blue suit) hardly means crushing her human elements and not letting her shine.

If anything, I feel like it opens up a whole new door full of possibilities and it develops her further pushing her to cross over to new boundaries.

She's much more than just one label, imo.

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Again, this is my personal preferences, but I struggle to put Sonya in anything other than a shade of green. It doesn't have to be bright lime green (MK3), but for any designs I'd do for her, officially, I'd have to include her wearing green in a primary. Maybe not as a dominant color, but it needs to be on her somewhere (a hat, boots, gloves, shirt); barring that, at least another military color or motif (camo, military grays and tans).


Yes. Totally understandable and I agree.

I actually said I was starting to miss her traditional green in my other post. I think you've been bold and successful with the latest untraditional colors you used, but, yes, I can see how the lack of green starts to get noticeable after a while.

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These are Queve's requests, but my next batch is less sci-fi and more like my first original render, which was, for the most part, all currently available military gear and clothing that was available in 1996.


And I'm so looking forward to those! I think you are super talented and have come up with some great designs that even surpass many of NRS's official work.

I'd like to once again redirect everyone to this picture:



A nice and balanced example of "futuristic Sonya", imo (again, I'd change and spice up that top to match the pants and be more futuristic).

Sonya can still look like our "standard" military babe, but, spice her up a bit with details and decorations like those ones and you have an interesting and badass design instead of a boring "ordinary military chick from a war game" look:






....not bad looks for the games they are in, but, totally boring and unexciting when put IN Mortal Kombat and when compared to Sonya's costumes (that newest Jill one with the cap would be perfect only if spiced up to look less "realistic"). I definitely take any futuristic design over those. I much rather see this style, instead:



PS: Thanks for adding the shirt, Gar! Looks perfect!

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It's a weird hybrid, with cyborg ninjas and Jax and his metal arms, but that's one reason I wish to keep Sonya out of skin-tight tech suits... because, well, she doesn't NEED high-tech bodygear to kick ass in. The girl could throw on a wife-beater, some boots, and either hiking shorts or leather pants and that'd be all she needed.

Again, I don't wish to belittle Queve's tastes, but my personal view of Sonya veers more towards my first few designs than towards the more recent, techno ones.


Well said!...Nothing beats your blue/red suit though wink. That render edit is absolutely gorgeous and jaw-dropping.

Garlador, I respect and love your work. I seriously can't wait to see your next edits. Those first costumes (particularly the first one you did) are among my top favorites, so, I'm sure you are going to come up with something amazing. I definitely look forward to them.

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Her MKvsDCU look and her current MK look are quite fitting for a more futuristic/modern soldier look... though, again, lose the heels and put on a white shirt under that vest. ^^


This.

So. Very. Much.

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I like your earlier edits, like the one with the brown camo jacket and black shorts and I also like the blue jeans, torn shirt and jacket edit.


I love those! However, I'm not so fond on that blue jeans and torn shirt look. There was something a little but too, well, "not Sonya" about that look. I think it was mostly the jeans style and design. It didn't work for me, but, I do love the first ones you mentioned.

Espio872 Wrote:

Sonya's costumes I prefer to be standard, inspired by current military looks, but taking some liberties with it, like the exposed belly.


What's your opinion on that picture I've been posting as an example? Do you think that's a nice balance between "standard" and "futuristic"?

Espio872 Wrote:

Oh and of course this:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
If we're going for a futuristic look for Sonya, I'd go for a non-stereotype... That means no bodysuits! Her MKvsDCU look and her current MK look are quite fitting for a more futuristic/modern soldier look... though, again, lose the heels and put on a white shirt under that vest. ^^


I would adore her MK9 costume if there was no heels and an undershirt, such a perfect costume thrown out of whack by something.


So very true.
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11/13/2011 02:59 AM (UTC)
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Quevey, you're the one who was wondering what Sonya's signature was, and I'm telling you now, throwing her into a body-suit would be so BEYOND not her signature that I'd actually not want to play as her.

You can have "futuristicy" without going into the stereotyped and unsexy region of full X-Men bodysuit of uncomfortable impracticality... Just look at VS DC. Kool pants, kool details, but still nothing to suggest she's somehow actually "from the future".

There's a fine line from "unrealistic tech" to "I've got a latex/leather fetish and have no legitimate reason to wear this". Looking at Jax in DC, I just didn't understand why he was wearing what he was wearing. It's something he'd NEVER worn before, had NEVER been hinted at, and clashed with his arms. (I much prefer the shirtless + metal arms look he's had since the beginning).

Yes, the OIA were quite techy and advanced, but Sonya has never been put in that kind of hyper-sexualized stuff for a good reason. She doesn't need it. Body suits are cheesy and tired, and have never EVER made sense. Unless you're flying a fighter plane from 2433, a one piece suit doesn't make sense. They're uncomfortable, impractical for time and frankly a little embarrassing to be seen in (and I'm speaking from experience).

There is no reason for Sonya to wear it, and it's totally out of her character, when she could wear a rocking MK4/Mk VS DC outfit that straddles the line far more sensibly.

As for the little anime-esque picture you've posted twice, I do like that, and that's exactly what I mean. It's got elements of the high-tech, or high-concept, but without throwing out all elements of realism or practicality, and (Except for how small the shirt is) would fit Sonya perfectly.

As for Jax and Kenshi, I'm still of the opinion that both look retardo in full bodysuits as well, but I forgive Kenshi because he's ALWAYS worn that. It's too huge a change (and an unnecessary one) for the Special Forces characters and I'd find it creatively bankrupt. It's been done.

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11/13/2011 05:30 AM (UTC)
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There's starting to be this annoying habit of people showing me or asking me to do concepts similar to what I'm nearly done with already. Lol.

After nearly going into a coma from a lack of green in recent Sonya renders, I decided to compensate with a green-centric little outfit.



There. Feeling much better.
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11/13/2011 05:42 AM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:
I like your earlier edits, like the one with the brown camo jacket and black shorts and I also like the blue jeans, torn shirt and jacket edit.


I love those! However, I'm not so fond on that blue jeans and torn shirt look. There was something a little but too, well, "not Sonya" about that look. I think it was mostly the jeans style and design. It didn't work for me, but, I do love the first ones you mentioned.

Espio872 Wrote:

Sonya's costumes I prefer to be standard, inspired by current military looks, but taking some liberties with it, like the exposed belly.


What's your opinion on that picture I've been posting as an example? Do you think that's a nice balance between "standard" and "futuristic"?

Espio872 Wrote:

Oh and of course this:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
If we're going for a futuristic look for Sonya, I'd go for a non-stereotype... That means no bodysuits! Her MKvsDCU look and her current MK look are quite fitting for a more futuristic/modern soldier look... though, again, lose the heels and put on a white shirt under that vest. ^^


I would adore her MK9 costume if there was no heels and an undershirt, such a perfect costume thrown out of whack by something.


So very true.




It's more along the lines of what I'd expect to see of Sonya, throwing on some dog tags and subtle details like that and the pouches and holsters on her outfit adds a nice touch. I think it belnds the standard and futuristic appropriately and looks good, though in my view I would tone down the amount of red (I like red and green, just not so much together), the arm band tied with red I would keep but I'd tone down and/or remove the other bit, I have this thing with color schemes, too much of certain colors bothers me lol, the red scarf on her arm is fine, but the patches is just....I dunno it bothers me.

I also like the shoulder length shorter hair, call me Krazy with a K, but I find Sonya appealing with the short hair, it's one of that look's best traits. she reminds me of Android 18 from DBZ, pretty cool.

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11/13/2011 10:57 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
There's starting to be this annoying habit of people showing me or asking me to do concepts similar to what I'm nearly done with already. Lol.

After nearly going into a coma from a lack of green in recent Sonya renders, I decided to compensate with a green-centric little outfit.



There. Feeling much better.


See! Wicked cool ! Infinitely superior to the all-bodysuit look :)

Though perhaps TOO much green wink (I kid, I kid)

It perfectly fills the functionality quota, makes her look legitimately badass, has sex appeal, and doesn't insult our tastes. Epic.

(Though I will always be of the "She should have a pony-tail" club... Just can't get over her high-ponytail from MK4. Epic sexy)

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11/13/2011 11:13 AM (UTC)
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Two things...

1) Body suits don't work on Sonya.

2) Sonya should NOT rock the short hair look. In my opinion, it's very unappealing on her. Sonya's hair should be touching her shoulders, at least, and it shouldn't look choppy/hipster-like.

And Queve, the red/green thing -- I was talking about when they're used in their most primary, bright forms like in the red/green bodysuit. It looks like Christmas Sonya. lol

I agree with Garlador. Sonya is military, but not fanboy wetdream tech-bodysuit from the future military. She will (hopefully) NEVER be that kind of girl. And by the way, Jill Valentine looked like crap in RE5. She looked like a joke. The whole slick bodysuit thing doesn't scream powerful woman to me. More like sex slave or dominatrix. Outside of a sex scene, that kind of outfit looks REALLY out of place and laughable to me. Sonya isn't a comic book hero.

So, please please please, lose the pixie hair for Sonya, and no more bodysuuuuuits!

This is closer to Sonya (but she'd have to have Sonya's hair).

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11/13/2011 03:17 PM (UTC)
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MikeyRu Wrote:
Two things...

1) Body suits don't work on Sonya.

2) Sonya should NOT rock the short hair look. In my opinion, it's very unappealing on her. Sonya's hair should be touching her shoulders, at least, and it shouldn't look choppy/hipster-like.

And Queve, the red/green thing -- I was talking about when they're used in their most primary, bright forms like in the red/green bodysuit. It looks like Christmas Sonya. lol

I agree with Garlador. Sonya is military, but not fanboy wetdream tech-bodysuit from the future military. She will (hopefully) NEVER be that kind of girl. And by the way, Jill Valentine looked like crap in RE5. She looked like a joke. The whole slick bodysuit thing doesn't scream powerful woman to me. More like sex slave or dominatrix. Outside of a sex scene, that kind of outfit looks REALLY out of place and laughable to me. Sonya isn't a comic book hero.

So, please please please, lose the pixie hair for Sonya, and no more bodysuuuuuits!

This is closer to Sonya (but she'd have to have Sonya's hair).




Giggle... She's in the desert... with a desert camo APC... wearing bright green? >_O lol. Wrong battle zone.

(but I agree strongly with your sentiments <3)
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11/13/2011 04:12 PM (UTC)
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Let's see; American flag on her hat, American flag on her jacket, USA on her vehicle, USA on her shirt, and USA on her belt-buckle.

... I bet she's Canadian.
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11/13/2011 05:20 PM (UTC)
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People, people, I respect your opinions:





smile

samuhai Wrote:
Quevey, you're the one who was wondering what Sonya's signature was, and I'm telling you now, throwing her into a body-suit would be so BEYOND not her signature that I'd actually not want to play as her.

You can have "futuristicy" without going into the stereotyped and unsexy region of full X-Men bodysuit of uncomfortable impracticality... Just look at VS DC. Kool pants, kool details, but still nothing to suggest she's somehow actually "from the future".


I don't understand why body-suit has to = hyper-sexualized stereotyped exaggerated X-Men suit.

It's not like there's just only one way to go with it.

I'm one of the fans who think that Sonya can and should sport a costume that covers most or all of her body. A tight suit is just one of many options and it doesn't necessarily have to be along the lines of X-Men's style.

Take that anime-picture that you did like of her, now, picture most of her clothes-free parts covered (arms, neck, stomach, etc) by a fabric that resembles the black colored parts in her butt, legs, arms, etc. It can still work and not necessarily come off as "trying too hard to be sexy" or X-men.

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There's a fine line from "unrealistic tech" to "I've got a latex/leather fetish and have no legitimate reason to wear this". Looking at Jax in DC, I just didn't understand why he was wearing what he was wearing. It's something he'd NEVER worn before, had NEVER been hinted at, and clashed with his arms. (I much prefer the shirtless + metal arms look he's had since the beginning).
/rant


See, personally, I utterly dislike his silly shirtless + metal arms look. Not only do I find it extremely boring and silly, I also find it like a complete waste of creativity.

IMPO, Jax brought something new and unique that really made him stand out in a positive light. His costume was one of the biggest highlights of the MK characters and one of the finest in detail. His overall re-design was very impressive and quite eye-catching.

It is true that he has never sported a costume like that before, but, that really doesn't mean anything. Many characters have gone to wear costumes that they've never had before or that have never been hinted at, and still, they were successful (but, yes, to be fair, there are others who were unsuccessful as well).

The costume itself is not a WTF, I understand and respect your opinion regarding the look and that you don't like it, however, I will not agree with you that it doesn't make sense for him to wear something like that (or his fellow SF partners). After all, this seems to be the idea/direction that the team is pushing for the characters (MK9 Jax alt, for example).

I honestly never felt like "it wasn't Jax" or like it didn't suit him. I never felt like he looked like another character or like it was something inappropriate for him. I think our overall visions and tastes concerning their military organization is quite different, which is what makes us envision opposite possibilities for the characters. But, that's cool. smile That's part of the beauty.

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....They're uncomfortable, impractical for time and frankly a little embarrassing to be seen in (and I'm speaking from experience).

/rant


LOL, I love you. smile *hugs*

samuhai Wrote:


There is no reason for Sonya to wear it, and it's totally out of her character, when she could wear a rocking MK4/Mk VS DC outfit that straddles the line far more sensibly.


Again, I disagree that its out of character considering that you can do more to a body suit than simply hyper sexualize it.

That being said, I do love the MK4/MKvsDC vision and design for her, so, yes, I do understand where you are coming from and I definitely support those looks.

Like you stated earlier above, MKvsDC is a fine example of this. It's, in my eyes, the perfect look for Sonya and I couldn't feel more sad about the lose of those futuristic gloves in her MK9 designs.

I'd definitely push for a look that is inspired mostly on her MKvsDC design, but, add a few extra elements that make it seem more "futuristic". Again, I refer to that fine example of the anime Sonya in green and red. It's not my favorite or ideal costume design for her (the top makes it feel a bit dated when you consider how awesome the rest of the costume looks), but, its definitely a very good one.

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As for the little anime-esque picture you've posted twice, I do like that, and that's exactly what I mean. It's got elements of the high-tech, or high-concept, but without throwing out all elements of realism or practicality, and (Except for how small the shirt is) would fit Sonya perfectly.


So, we actually do agree for the most part. We just happen to disagree about an "alternate idea" featuring a more futuristic body suit.

I guess it comes down to "yay for body suits" and "nay for body suits".

I repeat the same question that I asked you above: would you still like this costume if almost all of her uncovered body parts where covered by a fabric that resembles that black fabric on her butt, legs, arms, top, etc?

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It's more along the lines of what I'd expect to see of Sonya, throwing on some dog tags and subtle details like that and the pouches and holsters on her outfit adds a nice touch. I think it belnds the standard and futuristic appropriately and looks good.



Yay!

So, just like with samuhai, we actually don't really disagree that much concerning a more futuristic approach for Sonya. It seems like it all comes down to the whole body-suit deal.

Espio872 Wrote: though in my view I would tone down the amount of red (I like red and green, just not so much together), the arm band tied with red I would keep but I'd tone down and/or remove the other bit, I have this thing with color schemes, too much of certain colors bothers me lol, the red scarf on her arm is fine, but the patches is just....I dunno it bothers me.



I sometimes get those feelings too! lol.

I do like the amount of red in this costume though. It really spices it up. I'd be curious to see those big red patches in another color though, maybe it would look better. *shrugs*

Espio872 Wrote:

I also like the shoulder length shorter hair, call me Krazy with a K, but I find Sonya appealing with the short hair, it's one of that look's best traits. she reminds me of Android 18 from DBZ, pretty cool.



I'm going to be hobest, I'm really digging the short hair in this picture and Garlador's latest renders. The one with the messy short hair in the body suit and the new costume in green.

That being said, just like samuhai said (and just like Mikey expressed), I'm always going to be of the "She should have a pony-tail" club. Always. I like Sonya much much better with long hair and preferably in her trademark pony tail.

I actually miss the days of her MK3 and MK4 high pony tail. She looks so sexy like that.

So, while I do like the short hair in the latest pictures, I do feel that its not the best look for Sonya or appropriate for her character. Her blonde hair is a trademark of hers, and, i feel that it comes hand in hand with the pony tail. Pony tail/longer hair all the way!

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2) Sonya should NOT rock the short hair look. In my opinion, it's very unappealing on her. Sonya's hair should be touching her shoulders, at least, and it shouldn't look choppy/hipster-like.


I have to agree with Mikey (though that doesn't mean I'm not loving the way the short hair looks in Garlador's recent renders!).

You just can't mess with Sonya's long blonde pony tail. I feel that its just as necessary for her character as the military themes that she has going on.

With her that short, you could even start to wonder if that's really the awesome Miss Blade. She might wear a Sonya costume, but, the short hair makes her look like someone else. The high/low pony tail is crucial to her design, imo. Hair that short is not ugly, but, it just doesn't go with Sonya. :-/

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And Queve, the red/green thing -- I was talking about when they're used in their most primary, bright forms like in the red/green bodysuit. It looks like Christmas Sonya. lol


I see. And I agree.

In my minds eye, I was thinking more along the lines of that anime pic that I posted.

Oh! BTW, you still haven't answered my question that I wrote for you earlier. The one concerning Garlador's first original edit. I quoted you in page 6, I think. Let me know your thoughts! I'm really interested to hear your thoughts.

MikeyRu Wrote:

This is closer to Sonya (but she'd have to have Sonya's hair).



You and I agree for the most part, but, that's exactly the kind of costume that I feel we have to move away from. And fast. The boots and straps are very cool, but, other than that, its absolutely plain and way too simple (no offense to anyone! its just my own preferences).

In other words, she looks very boring to me, specially when compared to her most recent costumes (ironic considering some like her new alt are just as simple) or even the older ones who share certain elements. Its not stylish and quite poor in details and color.

I think its not so much the idea, but, the details and design aspect of the costume that really make it a huge no no for me.

But, yeah, I know where you are coming from Mikey, and I always enjoy reading your thoughts.

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Let's see; American flag on her hat, American flag on her jacket, USA on her vehicle, USA on her shirt, and USA on her belt-buckle.

... I bet she's Canadian.


LMAO!

Exactly.
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11/13/2011 05:47 PM (UTC)
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What's the question that I didn't answer Queve? I can't find it.
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11/13/2011 06:03 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
There's starting to be this annoying habit of people showing me or asking me to do concepts similar to what I'm nearly done with already. Lol.

After nearly going into a coma from a lack of green in recent Sonya renders, I decided to compensate with a green-centric little outfit.



There. Feeling much better.


GORGEOUS!


I am absolutely loving the red in this costume! Those red bands are a really really nice touch. They work perfectly! (and lol at the coincidences from that other pic, sorry, my bad).

I have to be honest, after that sexy dose of body-suit Sonya's, I'm actually quite happy to see her "classic look" back. I think I now understand more clearly why people feel so strongly about this look VS body suits. Seeing this costume makes me realize how much I was actually missing her traditional looks.

I will still remain supportive of a new and more futuristic costume that changes and spices things up for Sonya, but, I can't deny that it wouldn't feel the same if she wasn't sporting a costume like this. Something we've always known her for.

Garlador, excellent excellent job with the combination colors! It's my favorite thing about this costume! Greens, brown, black, and specially that red...It all goes so well on her!

Amazing job with her pants and the straps around her legs+private parts. Such an outstanding job with the details. I LOVE those buckle belt like things and it really brings the costume to life.

The boots are FANTASTIC! You know, after examining most of the boots/shoes you've done for her in all of your renders, I've got to say I'm not particularly fond of only one of your boot designs, and that's the boots you used in your latest "body suit" render.

I don't know why, but, they look flat and off, like they still need to be polished and fixed to look more like shoes. The way they seem to end is kind of strange. I definitely advise you to keep using any of all your other boot designs such as the ones you did for her MK4 renders, MKvsDC renders, MKDA renders, Sonya with furr render, Shaolin Monks render, and the new ones in your latest render. Those look absolutely perfect. The other ones (which you also use din your epic first original render and your "Sonya movie costumes") just don't look right for some reason.

Back to your render, yes, I'm loving the boots and I think you did a perfect job with them. Back to her pants, I'm really digging all those squarish things/pockets on her sides (is that last one on her left leg supposed to be like that? black? or did you forget to color it?).

And, finally, the shirt is really nice. Maybe it looks too simple and too empty for my taste, but, its nothing major. I'd definitely spice it up with some extra decorations like random straps (refer to her MKvsDC shirt costume or MK9 primary) .

As for the hair, another excellent design! Personally, I love the other short hair version much better (the one in your latest futuristic body suit), but, this one looks really nice. That being said, just like samurai and Mikey stated, I think she'd be complete and more like our Sonya if she had a pony tail (high or low, it doesn't matter, but, she needs more hair boy! lol).

It's not that she looks ugly or even unfitting, its just that, well, it just doesn't "feel" like Sonya to me. Does that make sense? As awesome as your edit looks, I think you should definitely work her with a pony tail or long hair.

Overall, fantastic render! One of your best and definitely a wonderful costume for Sonya.

My one constructive criticism is her right boob. From far away the chest/breasts look fine and proper. But, once you look carefully you'll see that her left breast has this particular strong line in the bottom that throws the breasts off. It makes it seem like its super small and flat while the right breast is round and normal size. Can you see what I'm talking about?

Thanks so much for this render, Garlador! and please, keep them coming!

Oh! 2 questions:

1) Are you planning to (hopefully) play a little more with her gloves and pants? Regarding the gloves: I really like what you've done with them in this pic, but, what about a design that resembles or takes inspiration from her MKvsDC gloves? Those are quite fantastic:



And regarding her pants: will you play around designing unique stylish patterns that take inspiration from her new MK9 look among others instead of just the camo-look/ or camo-feel?:



Those are just some nice examples of potential design ideas that help her stay unique and add variety to her style. Thoughts?

2) Can you please humor your loyal fans, lovers, and admirers and give these 2 Sonya renders her trademark pony tail? We'd love to have them as part of the collection!





You can keep the hair style exactly the same, just add that pony tail that we are all craving for. Pretty please?



Thanks Gar!

samuhai Wrote:

See! Wicked cool ! Infinitely superior to the all-bodysuit look :)



I have to admit it, I was missing this look.

samuhai Wrote:

(Though I will always be of the "She should have a pony-tail" club... Just can't get over her high-ponytail from MK4. Epic sexy)



Hopefully Garlador will take care of that.

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What's the question that I didn't answer Queve? I can't find it.


Its in the every first post in page 6! smile

And maybe I also said or asked more stuff to you in page 5. I'm pretty sure you were quoted, so, you wont get lost.
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11/13/2011 06:10 PM (UTC)
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As for a military look being too "boring" for her, I said before...Sonya ISN'T a fashion queen. She's a regular woman. She should look like she's from our world.

Bodysuits just look stupid, unless you're in a circus on a trapeze. I'm sorry. It's just a fact. Circus folk and comic book superheroes.

Sonya is like...if Buffy The Vampire Slayer joined the Army. She should look military and strong, somewhat conservative - but also a bit rebellious, and some feminine touches. She's like Sarah Connor, but more acrobatic.

Her look should reflect 1) who she is and where she's coming from (military, USA, Earthrealm), 2) her personality, and 3) her fighting style.

So she should look real. She should look like a rebel/fighter. She should look like someone who can do a cartwheel and backflip and crack someone's neck with her legs, without looking like a hooker at the same time or wearing something too bulky.

She wouldn't be caught dead in her MK9 primary. Sonya is the kind of professional military badass that wouldn't be caught dead in an outfit like that. If a picture of it ended up on Facebook, she'd lose her job.

But now, let's think. Sonya is on her own now, a true rebel. Following her father's ghost, riding a motorcycle. I think we can keep her military background in her look, keep it simple but with studded/spiked embellishments, and still give it little feminine hints (a little stomach showing, a choker, sexy hair, etc). She's a rogue now, hellbent on finding out what really happened to her father and going right to the man at the top of the bad guy totem pole. She's not going to be showing off her boobs, wearing a thong, or wearing dominatrix gear. Why would she do any of that? She's not looking for a date, she's looking for revenge. She doesn't want fame and glory, so dressing her up like a superhero would be silly too.

I wish I worked at NRS. tongue Sonya is the perfect feminist opportunity to show that a woman can be strong and sexy, without being unnaturally sexualized (with superhuman boobs) or dressing like a hooker. Sonya's sexiness should come from her face, and her attitude. Her body, which is her weapon, should show strength.
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11/13/2011 06:16 PM (UTC)
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Ah! No, I don't care for the retouching of the MK1 look that Garlador did. I don't like the white mummy straps on her, and I don't know if I like the green/camo.

I would have accessorized that look with studs and spikes. Like 80s punk style 3 row studs on one wrist, maybe a leather arm band or two, a spike wristband on the other wrist. Maybe a spike ankleband on her main kicking foot. No sunglasses or vest, just the tank and shorts. I would add a studded belt. Maybe some dogtags (one for her, and one for her dad?). NO HAT. The main idea keeping the look black and rebellious looking, spinkled with the silver from the studs and spikes. Maybe give her some darker eyeliner? Military motorcycle bitch from the 80s who's ready to kick some ass.
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11/13/2011 06:36 PM (UTC)
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MikeyRu Wrote:


As for a military look being too "boring" for her, I said before...Sonya ISN'T a fashion queen. She's a regular woman. She should look like she's from our world.

Bodysuits just look stupid, unless you're in a circus on a trapeze. I'm sorry. It's just a fact. Circus folk and comic book superheroes.

Sonya is like...if Buffy The Vampire Slayer joined the Army. She should look military and strong, somewhat conservative - but also a bit rebellious, and some feminine touches. She's like Sarah Connor, but more acrobatic.


I'll definitely get back to your posts asap. For now, I'd just like to say that I'm actually understanding more and more the whole issue that some of you guys have with body suits.

I even realize, now, that, what I'd love for Sonya and what NRS and Garlador should definitely aim for is something that captures the "futuristic" aspect of the OIA and SF and her "supernatural powers" without necessarily dressing her up in a suit.

This is what I'm talking about:

queve Wrote:


1) Are you planning to (hopefully) play a little more with her gloves and pants? Regarding the gloves: I really like what you've done with them in this pic, but, what about a design that resembles or takes inspiration from her MKvsDC gloves? Those are quite fantastic:



And regarding her pants: will you play around designing unique stylish patterns that take inspiration from her new MK9 look among others instead of just the camo-look/ or camo-feel?:



Those are just some nice examples of potential design ideas that help her stay unique and add variety to her style. Thoughts?


I'm sorry, but, no matter how much we try to say that she is "no fashion Queen", there is just no denial that MK is all about fashion!

Dress her up in a common, standard, simple, and ordinary realistic costume and you totally kill her potential. Sonya's much more than your ordinary solider. She might not look bad, however, she'd definitely look boring and uninspired when put next to the other fashionable characters of MK.

The male ninjas are no "fashion queens" either, yet, they all dress like Divas. There's quite a huge amount of style and flavor in costumes.

I understand your view on her, but, imo, she's so much more than camo-pants and gun holders.

A more spicy twist in her design is a necessity. Her MK9 pants accomplished that quite flawlessly...what a shame she was shirtless.

In terms of design and style, I'd definitely go for this:



over this, any day:



I like the more fantasy-stylish and creative approach to her design instead of the 100% military or camo look.

Side note: Garlador that doesn't mean that I don't love your designs and renders! My statements about all of them remain truthful. What am trying to get across is that Sonya's design, imo, should be bolder and more stylish than safe and simple. It should aim towards that kind of un-tradtional/fantasy-military style than the traditional and realistic one (camo, plain military color, etc).
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11/13/2011 08:40 PM (UTC)
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Here's some ponytail love for Queve.

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11/13/2011 09:31 PM (UTC)
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You always make Queve's ideas... tongue
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11/14/2011 10:02 AM (UTC)
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I'm all about fantasy aspects too Quevey, (hence why I so love her MK4/DC looks)... but it's quite a stretch for a body-suit, but I THINK you know where I'm coming from now...

But think about the comparisons that you make about Sonya... Of late, she's gotten Lara Croft and Sarah Connor, constantly. And that's GOOD.

Both of them were effortlessly sexy, while still wearing essentially functional clothes. They were "real".

But naturally, both had their own enhancements, especially the illustrious Ms Croft... She was sexy, she had ridonkulously short shorts, she had the stylish double holsters, the cute as spunk braid.
And, with the illustrious Ms Croft, you can perfectly see how a bodysuit SHOULD be done. There are certain criteria where a full body outfit works. One of them is stealth, like Lara does in some missions (Chronicles and Legend spring to mind). That is when story calls for it, and it makes sense. But when would she ever need that leaping through tombs or ruins?
The only other time it would work, IMO, is if they are genuinely "from the future", which is to say, flying a spaceship.

But Sonya doesn't. She's Special Forces, yes. Highly advanced, yes. Sexy as hell? Goddamn right. But why would their uniform become something like that? Where is the practicality? The design attitude? The uniformity, the reason?
The MK VS DC look straddled it perfectly. Functional and realistic components (a shirt, pants, boots), with fantasy stylings. Just like her MK4 look. It worked perfectly. I wouldn't want to mess with that, and have her look totally Tekken/over the top.

To address the above anime pic I liked, and the question you asked, why would that shirt and pants need to be joined into one? What style would that add? What function? It'd just look l ike an odd military style Onesie... :S A tank top would be far more sensible.

(And seriously Quevey, do you know how hard it is to get into a one piece suit like that?!?! It takes like ten minutes and you need talcum powder and all kinds of shit -_-... depending on the materials lol)


And yay Garlador, thanks for the ponytail renders :-0) They're epic cooler that way



ANNNNNNNNNNNND

Might I just point out how long this thread has lasted. Why is it that us Sonya fans seem to be able to wax lyrical about her appearance (JUST her appearance mind you haha) for ages? Far longer than any of the other character threads wink

Hellz to the yeah
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11/18/2011 12:19 AM (UTC)
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@Garlador. This has to be the dumbest request but my friend connor is right now telling me to ask if you could make a sexy suiside bomber sonya............its probly becouse were watching Swordfish and saw the one girl explode.confused
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11/26/2011 05:04 AM (UTC)
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PrincePurpleRain Wrote:
@Garlador. This has to be the dumbest request but my friend connor is right now telling me to ask if you could make a sexy suiside bomber sonya............its probly becouse were watching Swordfish and saw the one girl explode.confused


O_o! That is one crazy request!

Suicide bomber Sonya?...doesn't sound like the Sonya we know. tongue

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I'm all about fantasy aspects too Quevey, (hence why I so love her MK4/DC looks)... but it's quite a stretch for a body-suit, but I THINK you know where I'm coming from now...


I do. smile

I still don't think its an "out-of-the-question" idea, but, I can definitely see how its not as "Sonya" as I originally thought/wanted it to be. Her shirtless primary, however, THAT is an idea that should have never been conceived. Yet, here it is.

As much as I like that overall style and design (except for the not shirt and heels), a "body suit" would have done her a million times more justice. I think that it can work if done tastefully and not that stereotypical.

samuhai Wrote:


But think about the comparisons that you make about Sonya... Of late, she's gotten Lara Croft and Sarah Connor, constantly. And that's GOOD.

Both of them were effortlessly sexy, while still wearing essentially functional clothes. They were "real".


Indeed!

I'm loving Sonya Croft/Lara Blade.

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...But Sonya doesn't. She's Special Forces, yes. Highly advanced, yes. Sexy as hell? Goddamn right. But why would their uniform become something like that? Where is the practicality? The design attitude? The uniformity, the reason?
The MK VS DC look straddled it perfectly. Functional and realistic components (a shirt, pants, boots), with fantasy stylings. Just like her MK4 look. It worked perfectly. I wouldn't want to mess with that, and have her look totally Tekken/over the top.


I understand, and agree.

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(And seriously Quevey, do you know how hard it is to get into a one piece suit like that?!?! It takes like ten minutes and you need talcum powder and all kinds of shit -_-... depending on the materials lol)


LMAO! grin

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And yay Garlador, thanks for the ponytail renders :-0) They're epic cooler that way


They are, indeed.

As much as I like how she looks with short hair, I've got to agree with the majority that "pony-tail" is pretty much a must for her.

samuhai Wrote:


ANNNNNNNNNNNND

Might I just point out how long this thread has lasted. Why is it that us Sonya fans seem to be able to wax lyrical about her appearance (JUST her appearance mind you haha) for ages? Far longer than any of the other character threads wink

Hellz to the yeah


Quoted for being the absolute truth.

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You always make Queve's ideas... tongue


I'm sure Garlador will tackle your Sonya request with the black pants and top + punk style.

I see where you are coming from with the suggestions you have. Personally. I'm not sure how I feel about making her all "punk" or a "motorcycle rock babe", but, it would still be a fun edit to see.

We are waiting, Garly. smile

PS: We all (pretty much) requested the pony tail.
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11/26/2011 08:42 PM (UTC)
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I don't want her to be all punk, or all motorcycle chick.

The end of her story in MK9 though suggests that she's going more towards that style.

So what I suggested was giving her a punk look, but keeping the military influences and without going overboard. Then there's the motorcycle chick look, but once again keeping the military touches. I don't want to see Sonya in chaps or some kind of country-western look.

Also suggested him fixing up the black MK1 that he made for me, adding some harder stuff to it (studded bracelets, spiked bracelet, spiked anklet, studded belt, etc). Making it more punk/hard, but without going too costumey/young.

Sonya in MK10 should connect to her MK9 ending. I like the idea of Sonya being this military chick who has left everything behind to avenge her father/find out more about his death/stop the big bads etc on her own. A rebel punk, with military roots. Like, a more military version of Maja Ivarsson from The Sounds.




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12/21/2011 05:08 PM (UTC)
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Garlador WHERE ARE YOU!!!?

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Mickey! I can't believe I missed your post! Will get back to you asap.
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12/22/2011 01:54 AM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
Garlador WHERE ARE YOU!!!?

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Mickey! I can't believe I missed your post! Will get back to you asap.


I'm here! I've just been dealing with a ton of computer problems and the holiday season hit me much harder than I expected.

I have my next KOTW all written out... just taking me forever to whip up those images.
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12/24/2011 07:56 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:


I'm here! I've just been dealing with a ton of computer problems and the holiday season hit me much harder than I expected.

I have my next KOTW all written out... just taking me forever to whip up those images.


1) Yay to know you are still around!

2) Looking forward to your KOTW.

3) How about a "Merry Christmas Costume" for Sonya Blade? wink Dress her up in a sexy Christmas dress with the lovely Santa hat. Yes! wink
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12/26/2011 05:50 PM (UTC)
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Looking to replies from both queve and gar. :)
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