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11/20/2010 09:04 PM (UTC)
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TheWiseFlea Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
Yet another god awful design for a female character. So sick of this. I guess it isn't hard to see why they do this, the community seems to eat it up. I can't fault them if this is what the majority seems to want, and it definitely seems that way.

But hey, why should female characters be respectable looking? They're just there to "turn on" all the young male gamers right? Not to be serious characters, just some nice eye candy. First it's been decided no female character needs a shirt and absolutely must have half their breasts exposed. Maybe by the next game they'll decide they don't need any pants either.


Well look at Li Mei - she didn't have any pants. Just kidding - I think pants keep it classy enough. I agree the breasts are somewhat formulaic, but I'm 26 (not a "young" gamer anymore) and I love the design. Sonya is hot, and I'm not at all ashamed to admit that.

That being said, just because their female characters lean toward the over-sexualized side doesn't mean that their moves sets, kombos, and playability won't be exceptional. Judging from what we've seen of the other female kharacters, they will be.


Li Mei was designed to be MK Deadly Alliance's "sexy" female. Kitana, Mileena, and Sonya were and are not designed to be outrageously showing skin like they are now. Kitana and Mileena should have been a balance something sexy and assassins, they aren't in this game. Again , from their looks in this game I don't take them seriously. Sonya doesn't look like Sonya. There is nothing military about that outfit. Also this retelling pretty much destroys classic look and feel of many of the classic MK females
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11/20/2010 09:05 PM (UTC)
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Sometimes I have to wonder if the MKO community is just afraid of boobs. Of course there is a really simple solution to Sonya's new look. Zip the vest up so only the top most part of her breasts show. Or really, just throw a sports bra on her for underneath the vest. My problem with Sonya is that she's always been a boring character design wise. I didn't mind that Sonya sported a thong. It certainly broke her out of this illusion of being the character equivalent of grey paste. Sonya's look is fine when taken as a whole, even if it is predictable and a bit boring. But there's nothing really offensive about it. She's not running around in a bikini top and her pants don't look like they are about to burst down the seams. She also doesn't have ass slits on the back that form into chaps to frame her cheeks (that we know off).


Is it really that pointless for me to comment on these topics? Do you bother to read anything I say? I never mention "offended" or anything like that. Is it that hard to grasp this costume doesn't fit Sonya as a character?

Apparently. I give up. Like I said, any time someone says something negative about the character design they get labeled as a moronic prude who is overreacting and easily offended.
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11/20/2010 09:10 PM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
Sometimes I have to wonder if the MKO community is just afraid of boobs. Of course there is a really simple solution to Sonya's new look. Zip the vest up so only the top most part of her breasts show. Or really, just throw a sports bra on her for underneath the vest. My problem with Sonya is that she's always been a boring character design wise. I didn't mind that Sonya sported a thong. It certainly broke her out of this illusion of being the character equivalent of grey paste. Sonya's look is fine when taken as a whole, even if it is predictable and a bit boring. But there's nothing really offensive about it. She's not running around in a bikini top and her pants don't look like they are about to burst down the seams. She also doesn't have ass slits on the back that form into chaps to frame her cheeks (that we know off).


Is it really that pointless for me to comment on these topics? Do you bother to read anything I say? I never mention "offended" or anything like that. Is it that hard to grasp this costume doesn't fit Sonya as a character?

Apparently. I give up. Like I said, any time someone says something negative about the character design they get labeled as a moronic prude who is overreacting and easily offended.


Well yes, you are overreacting Crow, because I wasn't even talking to you directly, so you should step off.
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DeathRaiden
11/20/2010 09:11 PM (UTC)
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I could care less for her look. Looks like she's ready to go on a military themed porno shoot to me, eh. They could at least TRY and make her look attractive and still like a proper military officer without making her look like a slut, can it really be that hard? Least she doesnt have man-jaw this time. The model itself is good. Design sucks in my opinion.
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11/20/2010 09:12 PM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
Sometimes I have to wonder if the MKO community is just afraid of boobs. Of course there is a really simple solution to Sonya's new look. Zip the vest up so only the top most part of her breasts show. Or really, just throw a sports bra on her for underneath the vest. My problem with Sonya is that she's always been a boring character design wise. I didn't mind that Sonya sported a thong. It certainly broke her out of this illusion of being the character equivalent of grey paste. Sonya's look is fine when taken as a whole, even if it is predictable and a bit boring. But there's nothing really offensive about it. She's not running around in a bikini top and her pants don't look like they are about to burst down the seams. She also doesn't have ass slits on the back that form into chaps to frame her cheeks (that we know off).


Is it really that pointless for me to comment on these topics? Do you bother to read anything I say? I never mention "offended" or anything like that. Is it that hard to grasp this costume doesn't fit Sonya as a character?

Apparently. I give up. Like I said, any time someone says something negative about the character design they get labeled as a moronic prude who is overreacting and easily offended.


Well yes, you are overreacting Crow, because I wasn't even talking to you directly, so you should step off.


No one here has mentioned being offended by the costume, most people that dislike the costume agreed with me, that it simply did not seem to fit Sonya. You don't have to speak directly to a person to make an implication, which is what you did. Go through this topic and find someone "offended by boobs". I'll be waiting; such a person doesn't exist in this thread.
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11/20/2010 09:13 PM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
Is it that hard to grasp this costume doesn't fit Sonya as a character?


YOUR view of Sonya as a character.

Which, if your view of Mileena as a character is anything to go by, may not be the most accurate source.
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11/20/2010 09:14 PM (UTC)
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She looks beautiful! I can't wait to see a full sized render of her so I can judge it properly.
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11/20/2010 09:14 PM (UTC)
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OF COURSE her boobs are popping out!!
Rediculous!!! She is a member of a special forces team, not a cast member of Strip Tease! Come on!!



It is all fine, except she needs a shirt under that vest!

the rest is great!
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11/20/2010 09:15 PM (UTC)
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I'm sure Sonya is blonde, because if you gonna fight raptors with acid powers and tarkatans with iron blades growing out of their arms i'm sure I won't put some safety shit on my body.

I would fight them partly naked aswel... :S
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11/20/2010 09:15 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
Is it that hard to grasp this costume doesn't fit Sonya as a character?


YOUR view of Sonya as a character.

Which, if your view of Mileena as a character is anything to go by, may not be the most accurate source.


I wasn't aware someone had to tag everything they said with "in my opinion" when making a comment here. Some things are foregone conclusions.

Oh and "accurate" in your opinion, no doubt.
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11/20/2010 09:16 PM (UTC)
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I wasn't aware someone had to tag everything they said with "in my opinion" when making a comment here. Some things are foregone conclusions.


Eh, not for everybody. I always differentiate my statements of fact from my opinions because I make a LOT of statements of fact when discussing character and plot and some people have trouble telling the difference and try to argue.
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11/20/2010 09:19 PM (UTC)
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Damn, I feel like every time Crow posts in the boards someone is taking a virtual dump on what he says lmao. Everyone is entitled to their opinions! It's the point of a forum! I'll have to say the look is growing on me by the second, though! I think it kind of looks like a mix of all her costumes. It has the jacket style of her previous costumes, the revealing of boob like in MK4 and the white stripe along the legs like in her earliest renditions. Sonya had side boob hanging out of her MK4 version, but it would seem that it's universally regarded as one of her best by Sonya fans. I like it!
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11/20/2010 09:22 PM (UTC)
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JADEdSCORPION Wrote:
Damn, I feel like every time Crow posts in the boards someone is taking a virtual dump on what he says lmao. Everyone is entitled to their opinions! It's the point of a forum! I'll have to say the look is growing on me by the second, though! I think it kind of looks like a mix of all her costumes. It has the jacket style of her previous costumes, the revealing of boob like in MK4 and the white stripe along the legs like in her earliest renditions. I like it!


I'm glad I'm not alone in seeing this. Not to feel sorry for myself, but this is technically my website now. I don't want to be treated differently for being the webmaster, but it does get a little old to actually get treated worse than a regular member would be whenever I post my opinion on something.

I'm fine with agreeing to disagree on aspects of character design, which is all opinion based, but I feel its unfair to label people are prudish or make a joke of their concerns by making them out to be foolish.
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11/20/2010 09:30 PM (UTC)
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~Crow~ Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
~Crow~ Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
Sometimes I have to wonder if the MKO community is just afraid of boobs. Of course there is a really simple solution to Sonya's new look. Zip the vest up so only the top most part of her breasts show. Or really, just throw a sports bra on her for underneath the vest. My problem with Sonya is that she's always been a boring character design wise. I didn't mind that Sonya sported a thong. It certainly broke her out of this illusion of being the character equivalent of grey paste. Sonya's look is fine when taken as a whole, even if it is predictable and a bit boring. But there's nothing really offensive about it. She's not running around in a bikini top and her pants don't look like they are about to burst down the seams. She also doesn't have ass slits on the back that form into chaps to frame her cheeks (that we know off).


Is it really that pointless for me to comment on these topics? Do you bother to read anything I say? I never mention "offended" or anything like that. Is it that hard to grasp this costume doesn't fit Sonya as a character?

Apparently. I give up. Like I said, any time someone says something negative about the character design they get labeled as a moronic prude who is overreacting and easily offended.


Well yes, you are overreacting Crow, because I wasn't even talking to you directly, so you should step off.


No one here has mentioned being offended by the costume, most people that dislike the costume agreed with me, that it simply did not seem to fit Sonya. You don't have to speak directly to a person to make an implication, which is what you did. Go through this topic and find someone "offended by boobs". I'll be waiting; such a person doesn't exist in this thread.


I've been on this website long enough to know who is and isn't a fan of a little cleavage. It's nice to see that you didn't read my entire post where I offered a simple solution to what has apparently been driving you up a fucking wall. That problem being that the MK team is trying to give Sonya a bit of sex appeal in her costume.
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11/20/2010 09:33 PM (UTC)
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I'm not interested in the rest of your comments when you start off with insults and immaturity, but I did read it anyway. It wasn't what I was commenting on. Your rudeness is what was uncalled for and your continued use of immaturity is certainly not appreciated either. This comment is posted to end this conversation, because I'm done discussing it and derailing the topic with it.
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11/20/2010 09:36 PM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
She also doesn't have ass slits on the back that form into chaps to frame her cheeks (that we know off).


Give it time, and I am sure the MK team will throw that in too because, just like the REST of the outfit, that would COMPLETELY scream "I'm a high ranking officer in the military".
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11/20/2010 09:37 PM (UTC)
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I would be completely fine with this look if they just through a top on her under that vest. Theres no reason a special forces officer would or should ever be flaunting herself like that. Throw that simple white shirt on from MKDC on under that vest, so the little boys cant be happy and see at least a bit of cleavage. Make her vest a bit more conventional and tactical looking so its not just something to accent her breast and prevent nipples from showing -_- which is all it really is at the moment.

For Mileena I completely understand and dig her flaunting nature, she's just that one little whore out of the group that even has a story related reason for why she would dress like that. Kitana isn't that bad considering her back round, I would prefer her outfit to be a slight less revealing, but I still dig it and find it suitable.

But this? I feel like theyre designs are just getting lazy and more simpler the further this progresses. Throwing together a makeshift character design that they find simply appealing and sexy, rather than suitable to something that would fit that character personality wise. Scoprion and Sub-zero both have lots of character, use of color and bits of detail throughout each of their looks. Sonya being special forces officer for the U.S government wearing something like that? Come on! Stop trying to appeal to the raging hormone side of the fan base so much. Theres other characters that can do that. Does the team lack that much in creativity wear they can't make the girl look properly dressed for a combat mission, yet still have undertones of sex appeal that accent the costume?

This is by far my least favorite character redesign so for. Shao Kahn might be worse though, hard to be sure. All the others are Alright to Great in my opinion.
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11/20/2010 09:42 PM (UTC)
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That problem being that the MK team is trying to give Sonya a bit of sex appeal in her costume.


No, problem being that the MK team is sacrificing creative design in favor of sex appeal. They don't have to be mutually exclusive. Chun-Li is the damn poster girl for "video game hottie" and has held that title for nearly 20 years now despite her iconic (and rather conservative) costume not going through that many changes.

Meanwhile, Sonya looks boring. Adding some side boob might make it "sexier" but that doesn't stop it from being forgettable.
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11/20/2010 09:45 PM (UTC)
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To be blunt Cr0w, yes, you are shot down regularly. Still, I regularlz get the vibe you spend to much time dwelling on or about it (bitching?) I am not one to judge, but please, I do remember the times when you could shove worse stuff aside with a shrug.

Keep holding on.
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11/20/2010 09:59 PM (UTC)
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I think the costume is too dark and too revealing. There's no military aspect to it in the slightest and it makes her look too much like Kira. Maybe when we get a decent look at her I'll change my mind but thus far she's gets my least improved stamp for the revealed characters.
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11/20/2010 10:13 PM (UTC)
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her best design yet. No shirt is needed under the vest. Its perfect the way it is
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Nephrite
11/20/2010 10:14 PM (UTC)
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Is Nina Williams maybe that rumored/speculated guest character in MK 2011?

The model does look sexy and feminine which is good, but the outfit is a let down- too bland. She could really use a shirt as many have said already.

Overall- meh...

Give us Ermac, THAT was a great design (talking about that leaked image of course).
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SEGAmaniac7
11/20/2010 10:28 PM (UTC)
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I mean, I don't blame the MK team for doing this to all their female characters.
Seriously its not their fault, like when is the last time one of them got laid?
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11/20/2010 10:30 PM (UTC)
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Guys we've seen this vest ever since that one person noticed Sonya in the background of the GT special where they revealed Jax. Sometimes a still picture isn't as good as an animated game model, you could notice some stuff you didn't in the picture, or forget about something that you saw in the picture.

The way things are now though, I agree with the people who think Sonya's 2011 costume could use an undershirt, but I think it would improve it overall if they added some sleeves to the vest, because you're more likely to look past a simple white shirt when she's punching and jumping around. I like the way they did the Shaolin Monks costume, although I didn't like the color scheme.

Either way, I think this shouldbe edited a bit. I'd expect to see that much revealed from Sonya's costume after some hardcore battle damage.

I guess I'm going to remain cautiously optimistic until I see a the final version in good resolution
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11/20/2010 10:34 PM (UTC)
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It is early, I agree. I guess I can remain hopeful this costume could be altered before the game is released, or even that this model is in fact an old one and not even being currently used. Now that Sonya is officially out in the air, hopefully in the near future we'll see more content involving her.
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