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12/10/2010 02:05 AM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
I don't normally weigh in now that I have my own site, but 6 pages later, we are still complaining about extra content. In an age when companies are LITERALLY nickel and dime-ing us over gameplay, (Capcom DLC), recycled content (Activision DLC), and embellishments like costumes and music and voice packs (japanese DLC) that could all have been completed in time for release. Really, a sad day on the internet.

Think about it, this is the exchange.
Jaffe/NRS/???: Hey, we're putting this extra thing in the game. You don't have to use it, but we hope you like it.
You: Bullshit, hide it! take it out! You're ruining what is otherwise a perfectly fantastic game! Why don't you look at me when we make love!?!

There's no anti-kratos argument that makes sense.

1. He doesn't fit - Well, neither did Batman, Shazam, or Joker, and we all got along just fine. 3 million copies fine. Shit, broken and boring as it is now, cats are STILL playing MKvDC casually (see: this forum) and seriously (See: NEC/MKU in general).

2. He's a dumb character - A worthless, subjective opinion and C/Khameleon, Daegon, Kira, Dairou, Tanya would like to have a word with you. See how easy that is? He's violent, he's half naked, he's got two swords, and he uses magic powered by the gods. Does that not sound like 75% of the kast?

3. It's not really MK with guest characters - Other things that weren't really MK until they became MK: digitized graphics, 3d gameplay, air combos, living johnny cage, konquest mode, death traps, dead liu kang, combo breakers, dial-a-combos, a centaur, animalities, mini games, pro moves, parries, Sub Zero's scar, a lack of john tobias.

4. He's taking someone else's spot - Oh, so you saw the design documents and know the proper cast list? You know for sure that Kratos bumped your character? Are you sure NRS just doesn't give a shit about your character this time around? See also: Kano in MK2, Scorpion in MK3, EVERYBODY in MK4, Liu Kang in MK5, EVERYBODY in MK6, gameplay in MK7 (oh, snap), EVERYBODY in MK8. No guest characters there, next?

5. It's about the money - Maybe it is all about the money, but MK has never had a problem making money. NEVER. Maybe they just thought it would be cool. Do you know why EVERY feature to date has appeared in an MK? Because Ed Boon / Co thought it would be cool. Watch an interview, watch ALL the interviews. Its all they ever say. Why did we do Create a Fatality? Because we thought it would be cool. Wii motion controls? because the wii is cool. MKvDC? comics are cool. Reptile? Because green scorpion is cool. This is not to say a lot of shit isn't about the money. MKA was about the money. But sometimes developers put shit in their games because they think it is cool and they are still human beings who try and enjoy their jobs, see: MKvDC.

6. Competitive complications - Really? 20+ totally unique characters for the first time in series history, and ONE guest character takes the whole thing off the rails? Rails which ANY tourney player will tell you MK was unfit to ride on since 1995. . . 1995! Anybody beating this drum is VASTLY over stating the impact of guests on the SC2/4 tourney community (I know, I was in them) and banking on a scenario that does not exist anymore.

This isn't '96 where nobody knows anything about a character until a tournament happens. If somebody finds some crazy Kratos shit, and you're a TOURNEY LEVEL player, you're going to know about it the next time you log onto SRK, EH, MKU, or whatever your training ground of choice is. Getting bodied by a "surprise" Kratos will be no different from getting bodied by a surprise "any other member of the cast". And shock and awe,iIf Kratos has some REALLY TRULY crazy shit that you somehow just have to experience first hand to understand (a first for MK) go and find a PS3 to play on. They aren't unicorns, you know.

So either
A) ban him. Done. Shit gets banned all the time, characters, techniques, whatever. Nobody gets their panties in a bunch. Nobody turns over tables cause they can't use handcuffs in TTT. REAL tourney players will just say whatever, and roll over to whatever else IS allowed.
b) allow him, because who gives a shit. If he's broken, its no different from any other broken shit in any other game. (See: MvC2)

I think thats it. Really. I am disgusted at my brothers in fandom. So you don't like Kratos. Fine, you don't have to pick him. That's why its called the character selection screen, not the character forced to play screen. Do you like EVERY other character in the MK Mythos? You like Daegon and Blaze and Meat and Reiko and Tanya more than Kratos? Get over yourself.


-F.


1- Those who liked the idea of playing a MK made for little kids got along just fine. Doesn't change the general perception that the game was and is a steaming pile.

2- I think you're overexaggerating the number of people who think he's a dumb character. I think instead they mean that it's dumb that he's even being considered at all for this game.

3- ... annnnnnnnnnnnnd you missed the mark entirely there. If you really think those things are what identifies MK nowadays, then you really need to readjust your line of thinking. Next.

4- L... M... A... O... Maybe people who don't know what they're talking about are saying that, but the reality is that anyone with half a brain knows that this is taking away valuable time that should be used to develop actual MK characters, maybe shore up on balancing, fix online bugs that we all know will be there, maybe include another game mode, tag team fatalities... you get the idea there.

5- It is all about the money. Which is why the spirit of the "History of Fatalities" video included in MKA was shattered the second they announced MKvDC. Whether or not anyone swears up and down that they did that because they thought it was cool, it was for the cash. And lol if you think MKA was about the money. The fans had wanted that game for a long time, and we learned to be careful for what we wished for. Some things, yes, I do think they did just because they thought it was cool. You, however, have far too much faith in humanity if you really believe that everything was done because they thought it was cool. I bet you'd believe the sky is green if I told you, too. People lie, dude.

6- OK, I'm going to use Soul Calibur as an example here. Do your best to stay with me. What happened when they included guest characters like Spawn and Necrid? They were both broken beyond all belief. How about Yoda? Pretty hard to kill a guy who you can't throw and have to only use low attacks against, by and large. I'm not going to out and say that Kratos will be broken, but it's a definite possibility that we as gamers will have to contend with.

tl;dr- You're complaining about people complaining, so you have no leg to stand on. Have a nice day.
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12/10/2010 03:02 AM (UTC)
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I'll be brief as I don't want to spend too much time continuing to wade through this mire of redundancy and...if you've made it this far in the thread...I'm sure you'd agree.

Basically as I said in the old "Kratos rumor" thread, I like the idea of Kratos as a character and enjoy the God of War series. He's a brutal and distinct character with a lot of interesting gameplay potential in the venue of a fighting game and naturally fits within the MK theme if not the universe. My only beef (if we assume he's not bumping character slots via development resource time) is that he'd be a PS3 exclusive. While it might be a very effective and lucrative marketing decision, I just don't agree with splitting the community like that. If they're going to do Kratos then it makes sense to me to have a 360 exclusive character as well.

Who knows though, given Ed Boon's recent twitter this could still turn out to be more speculative rumor hype than actual fact. It's definitely stirred up some interest.
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queve
12/10/2010 03:05 AM (UTC)
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Interesting short read that confirms Blinx the Cat as an exclusive...LOL:

Kratos, Raiden, Sonya and Subby bla bla bla, BLINX the Cat.
Blinx? LOL WUT
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12/10/2010 03:38 AM (UTC)
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ITT: People literally crying over something so insanely small it's almost hurting my brain to read the comments

At this point, Kratos makes way more sense than MAJORITY of the characters introduced after MK3. So really, why not just wait to see how he fits in?

I GUARANTEE he will be one of the most loved characters, once it's all said and done. He's just so brutal. There's so much potential here.

Now imagine this.

In a future MK, an adventure based game using the God of War 3 engine.

It would be too perfect.
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12/10/2010 04:12 AM (UTC)
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At the very least, it;s additional content and I took the news in a different way, in my view the fact that Kratos is added makes me believe that everyone else from the era will be returning, they're not going to bring in a guest character and leave the others out. I also think the fact that Boon changed the roster number from a set in stone 26, to a 20 something(that still isn't finalized) was a major hint to that reality as well.






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12/10/2010 04:18 AM (UTC)
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sevendesigns Wrote:I GUARANTEE he will be one of the most loved characters, once it's all said and done. He's just so brutal. There's so much potential here.


ROTFLMFAO!


Oh.... you were serious.



ROTFLMFAO
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kombat_king
12/10/2010 07:06 AM (UTC)
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Fenix wrote:
5. It's about the money - Maybe it is all about the money, but MK has never had a problem making money. NEVER.


I'd guess money was on their minds when Midway went under, many millions of dollars in debt
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12/10/2010 07:11 AM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
Interesting short read but nothing new:

Kratos, Raiden, Sonya and Subby bla bla bla.


WHAAAAAATTTT??? Xbox owners get a cat with a vacuum cleaner????? No fucking way!
Now i'm thinking this whole Kratos thing is a big joke as well
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12/10/2010 07:45 AM (UTC)
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As far as the whole "Kratos will be overpowered" argument. I honestly believe NRS will not make that mistake. They seem to be going out of their way to make this game the most balanced MK ever(including measures to adjust the game after it's release). I have faith this will turn out nicely....if it even happens....it's still technically not official....but anyway.
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12/10/2010 10:26 AM (UTC)
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Wow my first post in a looooooooong time here (prior to the release of MKA long IIRC)

I'm pumped for this, bring it on I say! give him the arena he 2D fought Zues in as a stage, give him Helios Headrip and Some Nemean Cestus pummeling ala Hercules as Fatalities. a Golden Fleece counter, Icarus Wings charge move, a Rage of Sparta buff move (think the rage thing in MKDCU but very short), Medusa's gaze immobilizer move, Army of Sparta knock-back move, Zues's Fury as a projectile, and Hermes Dash as a psuedo teleport

To anyone complaining about this I've got to say, why? I've never seen a real logical argument as to why any character should be excluded from a game, the more the merrier I say! who is it really hurting having this character in the game? I doubt he's actually taking someone's place, odds are they've had the roster finalized for awhile now and they were approached to add him later on. Anyone who's not going to be on disc was never going to be on disc anyway no reason to blame Kratos. I don't know why this always happens in MK games we always expect every game to have every character be and a new MKT or MKA, but everybody forgets those games were terrible. Plus if someone was that close to making it and gets the boot for Kratos, they'll definitely make it as DLC.

Best thing about this is it'll draw more attention to this game from the gaming community. MK is far from being too proud to pull of a stunt like this, it's not exactly the classy fighting game. Leave the chastity routine to Virtua Fighter.

To those worrying about the XBox getting the same treatment, I'm sure they'll get something I doubt it'd be a character from a shooter though, maybe Ryu Hayabusa. Maybe WB will use it's ties and drop a DC character, maybe they'll toss you an exclusive MK character (Someone not crucial but a fun addition, or maybe one of the old rumour characters Skarlet, Hornbuckle, Nimbus Terrafaux, etc.)even you never know.

I really don't see how this could possible be a bad thing
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Lokheit
12/10/2010 10:49 AM (UTC)
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I have never player GoW, and I dislike Kratos because my favourite 2 greek gods ara Ares and Athenea... the TRUE GODS OF WAR ¬¬, and someone told me that the one of the first things Kratos does in the series is
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kill Ares ¬¬ yeah, sure, a rookie character killing Ares...


But hey, he can be my new Meat for this game (explanation: meat was the character I used as a punching ball in practice mode), so that's ok :P
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12/10/2010 11:48 AM (UTC)
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Blinx?


Dear God.
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12/10/2010 12:13 PM (UTC)
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Lokheit Wrote:
I have never player GoW, and I dislike Kratos because my favourite 2 greek gods ara Ares and Athenea... the TRUE GODS OF WAR ¬¬, and someone told me that the first thing Kratos does in the first game is
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
kill Ares ¬¬ yeah, sure, a rookie character killing Ares...


But hey, he can be my new Meat for this game (explanation: meat was the character I used as a punching ball in practice mode), so that's ok :P


If by "first thing" they meant "absolute last thing after
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being killed by Ares, being aided by the other gods, and being granted the godlike power of Pandora's box"
then yeah, it's the "first thing."

You really should play GoW.
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12/10/2010 12:15 PM (UTC)
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Wait, they're not serious with that cat thing, are they? No way. There's just no conceivable way. What?
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12/10/2010 12:24 PM (UTC)
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Cyborg_Hero Wrote:
Lokheit Wrote:
I have never player GoW, and I dislike Kratos because my favourite 2 greek gods ara Ares and Athenea... the TRUE GODS OF WAR ¬¬, and someone told me that the first thing Kratos does in the first game is
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
kill Ares ¬¬ yeah, sure, a rookie character killing Ares...


But hey, he can be my new Meat for this game (explanation: meat was the character I used as a punching ball in practice mode), so that's ok :P


If by "first thing" they meant "absolute last thing after
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
being killed by Ares, being aided by the other gods, and being granted the godlike power of Pandora's box"
then yeah, it's the "first thing."

You really should play GoW.


Hummmm maybe what he told me then was that he did it in the first game of the series instead of the first thing he did overall :P

I could give it a try, but I'm really not sure, I don't like the character too much, and I like Ares (specially the Marvel Comics incarnation of him).
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LordThunder
12/10/2010 12:40 PM (UTC)
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DID IT JUST FUCKING SAY BLINX? HAHAHA THIS IS JUST A JOKE lol Good one guys.
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AlexanderLuthor,Jr
12/10/2010 01:28 PM (UTC)
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What is up with certain sites reporting that Blinx is going to be a guest character on Xbox 360?

Kratos is one thing, this is totally different. Blinx? It's a friggin' cat from a platformer is it not? That doesn't fit in with Mortal Kombat at all. Seems like they could have found a better guest character for 360.

This can't be true.
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12/10/2010 02:33 PM (UTC)
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Heh. NO. furious
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12/10/2010 02:39 PM (UTC)
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Didn't have an idea who the fuck Blinxs was .. then I Googled the name and I just had to laugh. Kratos I can understand .. but a fucking cat? Alright laaaaater.

Again I couldnt' care less though, I'm not gonna be like one of those people that just say they're not buying this game because of guest characters lol.
I'm not saying we should boycott this game but we should definately take Boon's pot away.

Or whoever thought this was a good idea.

But if this is a rumor shame on the person who started it and glorious trolling.

And once again..

Blinx as a character in the Xbox 360 version of Mortal Kombat?!

DECEMBER SURPRISE!!!!
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12/10/2010 02:58 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
tl;dr- You're complaining about people complaining, so you have no leg to stand on. Have a nice day.


Wow. Alright, bro. It's your world. You win. NRS is doing this because it will make more money and make life difficult for all the fans. A calculated plan to invalidate all the other months of work and effort and planning that went into the rest of the game.

Yes, that is definitely their intention. Not that maybe somebody somewhere would enjoy it. Nope.

-F.
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12/10/2010 04:32 PM (UTC)
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Complaining about people complaining is supposed to show people just how stupid their complaining is. Or something like that. Instead of 13 pages of mature discussion, all we have is page after page of "z0mg nrs sux ballz!!!shiftone". At least Fenix seems to be pointing out how ridiculous everyone is being. There's a difference between having an opinion on something and discussing it, and just straight-up whining. This exact reason is why I rarely frequent message boards anymore, including this one, is because of the severe case of GIFT that everyone has that just keep growing.
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12/10/2010 04:54 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
and I wouldn't do that just because those sorts of people aren't the maturity level I like to consort with (there's a reason MKO is the only MK site I post on currently. This is where all the grown-ups who like to talk story hang out).

Are you being facetious?

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12/10/2010 04:58 PM (UTC)
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wow, if blinx is really the xbox exclusive, im buying a ps3, talk about unfair. It cant be true though, its simply too stupid...right?
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