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03/30/2011 03:55 PM EDT
Nooo! Don't be like EA! doesn't really matter for me since I'm buying the game new, but still... the online for MK games has never been that great, much less good enough to charge (10 bucks) for. And I don't see this new iteration changing that at all.
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03/30/2011 04:17 PM EDT
People are still bitching about shit that doesn't apply to them. The only reason why people are bitching is because the practice SOUNDS shady which it isn't. It's Warner Bros. protecting their investments. The only people that takes a hit from this is Gamestop.
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03/30/2011 04:38 PM EDT
Its a money grab plane and simple...once EA started it I knew it would catch on like wildfire...

in order for something to be used it was once new...

when the initial person bought it new that accounted for one person on there precious servers...because no matter how many times the disc changes hands there still can only ONE person with the ability to go online with said disc...and that cost was paid for accounted for when the initial owner bought the copy new... whether the initial buyer keeps it for a lifetime or chucks it out a twelve story window there can still be only ONE account/person using that disc...the initial buyer already paid for that spot online...so now all there doing in milking that cow over and over again...when they already got there money when that initial disc was sold...

lol at how people are so willing to take it up the ass for these big corporations...it's gullibility like this that these big corporations get a hard on for lol...

and for anybody that thinks it will stop at this i got a Iceberg to sell u lo lwink
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03/30/2011 07:43 PM EDT
I'm just happy to see that a few of you like Rex and Dontex won't just lay down like a door mat and let BILLION dollar companies walk all over you.
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03/30/2011 07:49 PM EDT
Army_Of_Ermac Wrote:
I'm just happy to see that a few of you like Rex and Dontex won't just lay down like a door mat and let BILLION dollar companies walk all over you.


Oh yeah? So what exactly are they doing? Besides bitching? Exactly, nothing, and nothing CAN be done about it, so that turns it into POINTLESS BITCHING. Yeah they can boycott it and not purchase it, but lets not kid ourselves, or themselves, the only thing that will cause is THEM not having the game, their loss, no one else'.
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03/30/2011 08:16 PM EDT
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Army_Of_Ermac Wrote:
I'm just happy to see that a few of you like Rex and Dontex won't just lay down like a door mat and let BILLION dollar companies walk all over you.


Oh yeah? So what exactly are they doing? Besides bitching? Exactly, nothing, and nothing CAN be done about it, so that turns it into POINTLESS BITCHING. Yeah they can boycott it and not purchase it, but lets not kid ourselves, or themselves, the only thing that will cause is THEM not having the game, their loss, no one else'.


Ronald Reagan and his big business ideals would have love your vote.
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03/30/2011 08:23 PM EDT
I’m no huge purchaser of used games, and already have the tournament addition on preorder. That being said, It might sound stupid, but as a gamer with around 10 percent vision, I’m annoyed I’m going to have to find someone who can read the small ass print on the sheet for me, because unless I can scan it, or get help getting the code, I won’t be playing online. As far as buying the game used goes, all I can say is never buy a game with an online pass like system from GameStop; this also applies to games like rock band and such with codes for free DLC in them. Instead, you buy these used from gamefly, because no one ever got the actual case and manual from them, so the codes are safe. I buy used games like this for my friends and they pay me back. They get my 5 percent discount, and possibly one of my $5 coupons, so it’s even cheaper. I see much more negative than positive about this, an on one hand it really does look like a money grab, then again, I also get that WB has to make the money back somehow, and this was the method they thought would be best. I’m just glad it won’t really apply to me, as long as I can find someone to copy the code for me. That is my main gripe, one more annoying step I’ll have to take just because WB thought this was the best way forward.
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03/30/2011 08:39 PM EDT
oh well
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03/30/2011 10:37 PM EDT
Every single website ive read this story on has one thing in common. ALL of the commenter who said they were going to try this game now dont give a crap

Good job WB. You just decreased your game sales. Also why do game companies think they should make money on games they no longer own? If I buy a car from a Toyota dealership and then sell it to a used car dealership would Toyota place limitations on the car like "The radio, air conditioning and ABS locks are disabled if you buy used unless you pay an extra $200 fee" No they wouldnt
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03/30/2011 10:49 PM EDT
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Its a money grab plane and simple...once EA started it I knew it would catch on like wildfire...

in order for something to be used it was once new...

when the initial person bought it new that accounted for one person on there precious servers...because no matter how many times the disc changes hands there still can only ONE person with the ability to go online with said disc...and that cost was paid for accounted for when the initial owner bought the copy new... whether the initial buyer keeps it for a lifetime or chucks it out a twelve story window there can still be only ONE account/person using that disc...the initial buyer already paid for that spot online...so now all there doing in milking that cow over and over again...when they already got there money when that initial disc was sold...

lol at how people are so willing to take it up the ass for these big corporations...it's gullibility like this that these big corporations get a hard on for lol...

and for anybody that thinks it will stop at this i got a Iceberg to sell u lo lwink


Excellent point, coming from a MK fan....no, wait...it's not. The only people who get shafted here are Gamestop. If you like MK games, then you should want the money to go to the publishers and developers NOT some brick and mortar store that makes a living by redistributing media, which takes away from sales.

This is the developers/publishers' way of enticing people to buy the game new and get the money into the correct party's hands. If this game doesn't sell well, and used sales do not count for shit, then WB will be reluctant to invest in MK again. We want WB and NRS to get our money--that's how we will get quality products.

By the way, no one is taking anything "up the ass", unless of course you were going to wait until someone traded in a used copy of the game before buying it, which is probably not the case. Every single person on this board will be purchasing this game new day 1, so that comment is non-sense.
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03/30/2011 11:08 PM EDT
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Dontex Wrote:
Its a money grab plane and simple...once EA started it I knew it would catch on like wildfire...

in order for something to be used it was once new...

when the initial person bought it new that accounted for one person on there precious servers...because no matter how many times the disc changes hands there still can only ONE person with the ability to go online with said disc...and that cost was paid for accounted for when the initial owner bought the copy new... whether the initial buyer keeps it for a lifetime or chucks it out a twelve story window there can still be only ONE account/person using that disc...the initial buyer already paid for that spot online...so now all there doing in milking that cow over and over again...when they already got there money when that initial disc was sold...

lol at how people are so willing to take it up the ass for these big corporations...it's gullibility like this that these big corporations get a hard on for lol...

and for anybody that thinks it will stop at this i got a Iceberg to sell u lo lwink


Excellent point, coming from a MK fan....no, wait...it's not. The only people who get shafted here are Gamestop. If you like MK games, then you should want the money to go to the publisher and developers NOT some brick and morter store that makes a living by redistributing media, which takes away from sales.

This is the developers/publishers' way of enticing people to buy the game new and get the money into the correct party's hands. If this game doesn't sell well, and used sales do not count for shit, then WB will be reluctant to invest in MK again. We want WB and NRS to get our money--that's how we will get quality products.

By the way, no one is taking anything "up the ass", unless of course you were going to wait until someone traded in a used copy of the game before buying it, which is probably not the case. Every single person on this board will be purchasing this game new day 1, so that comment is non-sense.

lol I'm getting the KE edition so relax dude...and no Gamestop is not getting shafted...that's laughable...Gamestops not paying the ten dollars...the consumers are...the money HAS already gone to the publisher..or else there wouldn't be a "used" copy to sell..so they got there cut along time ago lol ...trust me those dudes over there at WB aren't starving...the dude that came up with this idea is prolly driving a Bentley lmao... If this game doesn't sell well is because it sucks...not because some dude bought it used...but I HIGHLY doubt it will suck..i mean what idiot buys a used game for a game that didn't already do well lol ...give me a break sleep
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03/30/2011 11:53 PM EDT
Dontex Wrote: lol I'm getting the KE edition so relax dude...and no Gamestop is not getting shafted...that's laughable...Gamestops not paying the ten dollars...the consumers are...the money HAS already gone to the publisher..or else there wouldn't be a "used" copy to sell..so they got there cut along time ago lol ...trust me those dudes over there at WB aren't starving...the dude that came up with this idea is prolly driving a Bentley lmao... If this game doesn't sell well is because it sucks...not because some dude bought it used...but I HIGHLY doubt it will suck..i mean what idiot buys a used game for a game that didn't already do well lol ...give me a break sleep


What? Well here goes 5 minutes of my life to counter an argument made by someone who's not going to "get it" anyway...oh well.

Let's review:

Dontex Wrote: lol I'm getting the KE edition so relax dude


So you're saying that you are buying the game new, so how exactly are you getting screwed?

Dontex Wrote: no Gamestop is not getting shafted...that's laughable


Okay, I want you to go into Gamestop and ask to speak to someone in finance and ask that person whether or not they would prefer if you purchased MK new or used. Also, after he's done laughing from you asking such an ridiculous question, ask him if he or his company isn't bothered by publishers making deals similar to the online MK pass--you will again be met with great laughter.

Dontex Wrote: the money HAS already gone to the publisher..or else there wouldn't be a "used" copy to sell..so they got there cut along time ago lol


So, here is a bit of information that you may not know: game sales are based on new copies. So let's say that 10 people were going to buy this game, but only 5 bought it new, and the other 5 bought the used copies after the original 5 were traded in at Gamestop. That's 10 sales of MK, but WB and NRS only saw 5. How doesn't that make sense to you? Gamestop is one of the worst things in the video game industry.

Dontex Wrote: trust me those dudes over there at WB aren't starving...the dude that came up with this idea is prolly driving a Bentley lmao... If this game doesn't sell well is because it sucks...not because some dude bought it used...


This isn't about what kind of cars the execs at WB have, it's about how profitable a game/franchise is, and the fact is that used game sales hurt those figures. The more money a game makes, the more money the publisher will want to invest in future projects for that franchise, so again, we want as much of our money to get to WB and NRS as possible.

Dontex Wrote: i mean what idiot buys a used game for a game that didn't already do well lol ...give me a break sleep


What? So is it common practice for people who buy games used to check their sales figures before purchasing? You haven't the slightest clue what you are talking about....



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03/30/2011 11:54 PM EDT
I don't see the big deal personally. Game devs. see no money from used game sales and that is a problem. If anyone is to be blamed about the whole thing, it's gamestop. There's nothing stoping them from giving Game Devs. a percentage of used game sales, but they don't. That's the corporate greed everyone should be concerned about.

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03/30/2011 11:57 PM EDT
lol This has nothing to do with Devs not getting money from used game sales. Its about trying to get as much money out of consumers as possible which makes sense in a buisness aspect but its such a dick move
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03/31/2011 12:05 AM EDT
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lol This has nothing to do with Devs not getting money from used game sales. Its about trying to get as much money out of consumers as possible which makes sense in a buisness aspect but its such a dick move


You release a game, have it **officially** see about 200,000 copies sold. Then you find out that gamestop has sold 400,000 used copies of your game, and you don't see a dime of it.

Keep in mind, you're trying to see a profit, and potentially establish a franchise...what would your response be?

You work with what you got...not what you hope for.

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03/31/2011 12:19 AM EDT
Way to make a mountain of shit over an anthill.

You people who say this is wrong act like WB took a hot shit in your coffee. Fuck, you're all buying new anyways. Stop acting like victims taking it up the ass from "the man."
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03/31/2011 02:22 AM EDT
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Every single website ive read this story on has one thing in common. ALL of the commenter who said they were going to try this game now dont give a crap

Good job WB. You just decreased your game sales.


They didn't decrease anything, because those same people weren't going to buy the game in the first place.

This doesn't apply to anyone who buys the game new. Period. That's the end of that line, and the vast majority of people are going to be buying this game new.
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03/31/2011 03:25 AM EDT
this does not bother me i preordered the kollectors edition so i should have online without paying xtra i hope. i havent played mk online much just started and bought a net cord because of mk9 cant wait to get my butt kicked by the pros lol. im not a nb mk just online but i could be better heres my chance bring the pain MORTAL KOMBAT!!!!!!!
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03/31/2011 04:28 AM EDT
I work at Gamestop part time and have dealt with these kinds of issues with homefront, bulletstorm, and deadspace 2 already. People will purchase one of those games used, realize they cannot play online because someone has already used the code, and return it for a new copy. The used game goes and sits on the shelf... Homefront came out two weeks ago and my store already has about 15 copies sitting in a drawer. I make everyone that tries to buy a used copy aware that they will most likely not be able to play online because of the lack of codeage.

Keep in mind the record breaking profits each year that gamestop boasts about... These are MOSTLY off of used sales. What do people constantly bitch about at gamestop? Trade in values. Take a game in for 25, sell it for 54. Easy money, and with a business plan like that it really draws a line between gamestop and your friendly neighborhood walmarts electronics section.

When i scan in a game, lets say black ops. The computer pulls up a window IN BOLD RED PRINT saying we have a used copy for X price, press F3 to add new copy anyways or escape to cancel. Gamestop harasses us to sell used. Thats the cash cow. Developers and publishers don't make any money off of used sales, and by making this handy dandy 10 dollar online fee they can also get a piece of the used pie.

Giggedy, used pie.
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03/31/2011 04:45 AM EDT
Here's a story by epicbattleaxe.com that rants about the Online Pass System:
http://www.gametrailers.com/news/mortal-kombat-to-have-online/3204

Just wanted to share their perspective if others haven't posted it yet. wink

I think it's lame that someone that writes video game editorials for a living can't see how this is beneficial to the Developer, and calls the developer's actions a "betrayal." It's the retailers like Gamestop that have virtual second-hand monopolies that hurt the developer. It's about time the developers attempt to make a dent in those millions in losses.

Don't like it, don't buy it used. I thought all you "hardcore" fans preordered it anyway.
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03/31/2011 05:30 AM EDT
Seriously. Every here should calm down because I'm sure they preordered it anyway.

I think this is a good idea. I like to buy games new so this won't really affect me. But the people complaining need to realize what they are talking about.

Really only XBox players should complain, cause they have to pay for online play to begin with. Complain about Microsoft and Gamestop's greediness. Not developers.
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03/31/2011 05:36 AM EDT
The fact that people are actually defending this greedy tactic is sickening and you guys are the fucking problem, because you're just given other companies the okay to dick over their consumers in the future.
That's okay, you got the money, you can afford it, why should you care? In fact, why the fuck are you even in this thread at all?

This buy used/rent method has been done for years, and yet companies are still making sequels to video games, you REALLY think they're going broke?
Think about it. The amount of people who buy games used/rent doesn't nearly compare to the people who actually buy it new.
The fact that people are pulling the "Companies don't get money" card is pathetic.

If this method is really hurting game companies, they would be fucking dead right now. What's that? There's gonna be ANOTHER Call of Duty game? No no, it can't be! Because I obviously singled handedly crippled and killed Activision by renting "World At War" years ago. Get off your fucking high horse, us cheap gamers are not hurting shit.

If it really was that bad, then I'm sure game companies can ban their games from being obtained used or something of the like. If game companies can pull this "pay to play online" bullshit to scam consumers for extra money, then I'm pretty sure it can be done.

Take this thread for example. I only read a few good pages but it's enough to prove my point.
Compare the people who shouted "lolz I'm buying it new" to the people who disagree with this tactic.
The people who are buying it new heavily outweighs the people who disagree with this tactic. Sure it's money that the company could be getting, but it's NOT enough to hurt. Now they're acting like they're the victim and trying to squeeze extra chump change from people. For what?!
"Hur derp online servers are not free". Yeah, my $10 is gonna make a big fucking difference compared to you paying $60+ for the game + Special Edition. If WB is rich enough to buy a video game company, I'm pretty sure they can handle a video game's servers for the next 10 years.

With that said, what the fuck they are doing has no reason to it AT ALL.

I am a cheap gamer and a smart consumer, I rent games because the majority of games today are not even worth the $60, due to it's short campaign and flawed as fuck online modes and/or Gameplay. So why the fuck would I want to buy a new game when it's possibly not going to be worth it? And then I'll feel like a dumb fuck for wasting $60 on the game, just to support the company who made the horrid shit? When it could be spent on better things.

And yet, game companies wonder WHY people do what we (the cheap gamers) do.

You will get your money until you can show me a game that's worth the $60.
Otherwise, fuck off with your greedy tactics, you're only giving yourself a bad name.

It's shit like this is the reason why I'm glad I got friends I can play offline modes with. And it's shit like this is the reason why I still have a Silver account on my 360.
Because apparently, paying JUST to have an internet connection IS NOT FUCKIN' GOOD ENOUGH anymore.

I will be renting this game, and WB/NRS won't be getting my $10 that they apparently are dying for.

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03/31/2011 09:02 AM EDT
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I am a cheap gamer and a smart consumer, I rent games because the majority of games today are not even worth the $60, due to it's short campaign and flawed as fuck online modes and/or Gameplay. So why the fuck would I want to buy a new game when it's possibly not going to be worth it? And then I'll feel like a dumb fuck for wasting $60 on the game, just to support the company who made the horrid shit? When it could be spent on better things.

And yet, game companies wonder WHY people do what we (the cheap gamers) do.

You will get your money until you can show me a game that's worth the $60.
Otherwise, fuck off with your greedy tactics, you're only giving yourself a bad name.

It's shit like this is the reason why I'm glad I got friends I can play offline modes with. And it's shit like this is the reason why I still have a Silver account on my 360.
Because apparently, paying JUST to have an internet connection IS NOT FUCKIN' GOOD ENOUGH anymore.

I will be renting this game, and WB/NRS won't be getting my $10 that they apparently are dying for.


Renting games to make sure they're not garbage is a good idea. However, game companies do not wonder why you do what you do. As a matter of fact, they know EXACTLY why you do what you do, which is why they are doing this pay online pass thing. They want you to hear about how awesome the online is and go buy a new copy or pay their "used sales mitigation tax" (I've decided to give it a name). WB are not dying for your personal $10.00; them and other developers/publishers are dying when they see the products that they've created, invested in, etc. making up roughly 50-60% of Gamestops annual gross profit and they don't get a dime of that.
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03/31/2011 09:51 AM EDT
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I am a cheap gamer...


You sound less like a "cheap gamer" and more like a general cheapass. I'm more inclined to believe you'll outright pirate the game instead and that's the only reason why you're upset to begin with, since I hear this bullshit about corporations having too much money all the time when someone tries to justify their piracy.

And you know what? Fuck yeah, pirate that shit. Now you got the game for fucking ten bucks instead of sixty at launch. That's a steal no matter how you spin it, and those mean ol' suits at Warner Bros. don't get a penny more.
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03/31/2011 01:24 PM EDT
I think this is more targeted toward stores that will turn around and sell used copies of the game within a few weeks of release for $55, after buying it for $30-$40 if not less. And that's all profit for the store, not the developer. Some people are frankly just too ignorant, and would rather save $5-10 on a brand new game, than to support the developers by buying it new.

Because stores like EBGames/Gamestop aren't going to start charging less for a slightly used game regardless if you still have to buy the online pass. So that $50-$55 slightly used copy of a game you would usually buy + a $10 online pass will run you a final total of $60-$65, and suddenly becomes a lot less tempting than paying $60 for the game new.

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