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03/30/2011 02:55 PM (UTC)
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"The problem here is not, that we want bullshit the devs out of their money, it's that we have to pay for what we already own. If you buy a car you own it. That's that. Same here. When I buy a disc with a game I own every fucking 1 and 0 on it."

Exactly!


Yeah, you own everything on the disc, not the servers required facilitate online play. I'm beginning to think some of you guys dont wanna pay your fair share for online usage.
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03/30/2011 02:56 PM (UTC)
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Congratulation WB!

The sad thing is that greedy moves like this are the main reason why the warez community is growing..........

On the other hand I decided that enough is enough. After 20 years of being MK fan this will be the first MK which i will not buy. I'm sick of the greediness that's happening here. I wanted to buy your product but that was not enough for you. You want more money from me? You will not get a single penny. I'll not be a milking cow anymore. Midway was also greedy but not as much as you. Screw you WB!



lol suurrree you wont...glasses
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03/30/2011 03:00 PM (UTC)
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I'm beginning to think some of you guys dont wanna pay your fair share for online usage.

"Fair share"? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm already paying Xbox Live subscription fees. What,that's not enough?

what is this i don't even

This online pass bullshit is a new thing,too. With the exception of dedicated servers in some MMORPGs,when was the last time you've seen a game charge you extra for online usage? What,the POOR DEVELOPERS NEED MONIES FOR SERVER MAINTENANCE HALP PLZ ;_; thing wasn't an issue before?

I can't even believe what I'm reading here. Are you people always that willing to just bend over and spread your cheeks? If that's the case,you deserve to get scammed out of your money.
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03/30/2011 03:02 PM (UTC)
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wow mk just got alot worse
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03/30/2011 03:03 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
NapalmSanctuary Wrote:
I'm beginning to think some of you guys dont wanna pay your fair share for online usage.

"Fair share"? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm already paying Xbox Live subscription fees. What,that's not enough?
Yeah, well unless Microsoft is paying WB for the usage of those servers, that argument doesn't hold any weight.
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03/30/2011 03:05 PM (UTC)
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@T-Rex,
The same reason you're bitching is the same reason they're asking. Its the same reason the price of a loaf of bread goes up every year. Its what the shit costs now. If you don't like it, go be a communist.
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03/30/2011 03:11 PM (UTC)
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@T-Rex,
The same reason you're bitching is the same reason they're asking.

Is it the same reason why the entire industry decided to arbitrarily make the games cost $10 more several years back?

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Its the same reason the price of a loaf of bread goes up every year. Its what the shit costs now.

The technology gets better,bread becomes cheaper and easier to produce,but they charge you more for it.

Makes sense to me.

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If you don't like it, go be a communist.

If that's the case,then I am a communist,thanks for asking.
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03/30/2011 03:15 PM (UTC)
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I'm sorry the world doesn't work the way you think it should. its a capitalist producers perogative to find new ways to make money. This is neither unfair or unjust.
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03/30/2011 03:17 PM (UTC)
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The technology gets better,bread becomes cheaper and easier to produce,but they charge you more for it.


The cost of bread goes up because governments devalue currency by printing more money.
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03/30/2011 03:19 PM (UTC)
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I'm sorry the world doesn't work the way you think it should. its a capitalist producers perogative to find new ways to make money. This is neither unfair or unjust.

That's what they said about child labor,too.

Like I said before,if you support underhanded business practices like this one,you deserve to get scammed out of your money.
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03/30/2011 03:21 PM (UTC)
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i think that its odd to pay double price, first you pay for online, and then you pay for DLC's. hmmmm, they should of done it like smackdown vs raw 2011, when you buy whole packet and all DLC's are free to download. and if you dont want to buy the whole packet you have to buy DLC's separately. which is fine, and this is sorta weird imo.
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03/30/2011 03:20 PM (UTC)
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Yet DVD's and Blu-ray got cheaper than what they once were. Other mediums of entertainment don't have to go up.
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03/30/2011 03:21 PM (UTC)
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What's underhanded? Asking people to pay you for a service you provide? The online fee isn't even mandatory. You're just bitching because you don't like to pay for stuff. Sorry kiddo, entertainment involves paying for stuff.
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03/30/2011 03:21 PM (UTC)
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So if I buy the game and redeem the code for my PS3 account, my girlfriend can't play online on her account unless we pay 10 euros extra? Lame!
Kinda pointless when you live in the same house and play on the same PS3.

Another thing I'm curious about is for trophyhunters do they need to pay 10 dollars extra to get the online-trophies (dunno if there are any, haven't seen the list) to get platinum? If so, this means they also make those people pay for their trophies.
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03/30/2011 03:21 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
NapalmSanctuary Wrote:
I'm beginning to think some of you guys dont wanna pay your fair share for online usage.

"Fair share"? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm already paying Xbox Live subscription fees. What,that's not enough?

what is this i don't even

This online pass bullshit is a new thing,too. With the exception of dedicated servers in some MMORPGs,when was the last time you've seen a game charge you extra for online usage? What,the POOR DEVELOPERS NEED MONIES FOR SERVER MAINTENANCE HALP PLZ ;_; thing wasn't an issue before?

I can't even believe what I'm reading here. Are you people always that willing to just bend over and spread your cheeks? If that's the case,you deserve to get scammed out of your money.


Are you ALWAYS complaining about shit that doesnt apply to you...get the fucking game new and you wont have shit to worry about.....im sure your getting it new anyway.....so why waste the energy to complain just to be complaining? i dont get itconfused
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03/30/2011 03:22 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
NapalmSanctuary Wrote:
I'm beginning to think some of you guys dont wanna pay your fair share for online usage.

"Fair share"? Are you fucking kidding me? I'm already paying Xbox Live subscription fees. What,that's not enough?

what is this i don't even

This online pass bullshit is a new thing,too. With the exception of dedicated servers in some MMORPGs,when was the last time you've seen a game charge you extra for online usage? What,the POOR DEVELOPERS NEED MONIES FOR SERVER MAINTENANCE HALP PLZ ;_; thing wasn't an issue before?

I can't even believe what I'm reading here. Are you people always that willing to just bend over and spread your cheeks? If that's the case,you deserve to get scammed out of your money.


And you shouldn't deserve anything which is worth money. Things got their worth, because their owner had to offer something and they want something of equal or higher value in return. WB can give a shit if you're paying for xbox live, that is fee which Microsoft charges and you AGREED to pay. If you didn't agree, you wouldn't have bought it in the first place. WB will never see anything of that money, and they still need to make up for their investements.

The game's copies they sell, make up for the fix and variable cost they have. Every new disc they sell, makes up for both, while reselled discs, only benefit the seller and resseller (aka Gamestop) to reduce *their* cost.

WB and NRS should never lower their benefit, just to decrease the cost of the customers, but they should earn what they deserve in fair value. So stop you're fucking bitching, I'm sick and tired of people who buy products (which counts as an agreement of understanding) and want to unjustly reduce their personal cost, at the cost of others.
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03/30/2011 03:25 PM (UTC)
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So if I buy the game and redeem the code for my PS3 account, my girlfriend can't play online on her account unless we pay 10 euros extra? Lame!
Kinda pointless when you live in the same house and play on the same PS3.

Another thing I'm curious about is for trophyhunters do they need to pay 10 dollars extra to get the online-trophies (dunno if there are any, haven't seen the list) to get platinum? If so, this means they also make those people pay for their trophies.


I'm not sure how PSN works, but on XBL the pass is linked to your gamertag. Presumably as long as the gamertag with the pass is logged in any gold gamertag can log in, but then anybody whose got multiple gold gamertags on their machine is wasting a ton of money imo.

Anybody who wants to play online (for any reason) will need to pay the 10 bucks (or buy a new copy of the game).
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03/30/2011 03:28 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Its the same reason the price of a loaf of bread goes up every year. Its what the shit costs now.

The technology gets better,bread becomes cheaper and easier to produce,but they charge you more for it.

Makes sense to me.


Wat? I don't even. That is just fundamentally factually wrong. About both video games and bread.
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03/30/2011 03:33 PM (UTC)
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What's underhanded? Asking people to pay you for a service you provide?

What service? You mean the one that was free before some corporate asshole had a bright idea to start charging money for it?

If they could,they'd charge you for the air that you breathe.

Open your eyes. They are not doing this because they are unjustly deprived of their deserved rewards. They are doing this because they are extremely butthurt about Gamestop's successful business model,so they decided they want a slice of that pie too.

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You're just bitching because you don't like to pay for stuff. Sorry kiddo, entertainment involves paying for stuff.

I'm buying the KE and the TE,new.

So don't tell me that I don't like to pay for my entertainment.

What I don't like is getting scammed out of my money and then treated like a criminal if I cry foul.
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03/30/2011 03:39 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
What's underhanded? Asking people to pay you for a service you provide?

What service? You mean the one that was free before some corporate asshole had a bright idea to start charging money for it?

If they could,they'd charge you for the air that you breathe.

Open your eyes. They are not doing this because they are unjustly deprived of their deserved rewards. They are doing this because they are extremely butthurt about Gamestop's successful business model,so they decided they want a slice of that pie too.

Fenix Wrote:
You're just bitching because you don't like to pay for stuff. Sorry kiddo, entertainment involves paying for stuff.

I'm buying the KE and the TE,new.

So don't tell me that I don't like to pay for my entertainment.

What I don't like is getting scammed out of my money and then treated like a criminal if I cry foul.


and how the fuck are you getting scam if your buying the game brand new any damn ways? smh complain just to hear yourself
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03/30/2011 03:42 PM (UTC)
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Its somewhat disconcerting that people are attacking those in this thread who are defending the consumer.
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03/30/2011 03:44 PM (UTC)
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If everybody ignored everything that didn't affect them personally then our world would be a narrow and cold one. Fans are most likely gonna buy it new regardless, doesn't mean they have to love the business model that WB are advocating.
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03/30/2011 03:46 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
What's underhanded? Asking people to pay you for a service you provide?

What service? You mean the one that was free before some corporate asshole had a bright idea to start charging money for it?

If they could,they'd charge you for the air that you breathe.

Open your eyes. They are not doing this because they are unjustly deprived of their deserved rewards. They are doing this because they are extremely butthurt about Gamestop's successful business model,so they decided they want a slice of that pie too.

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You're just bitching because you don't like to pay for stuff. Sorry kiddo, entertainment involves paying for stuff.

I'm buying the KE and the TE,new.

So don't tell me that I don't like to pay for my entertainment.

What I don't like is getting scammed out of my money and then treated like a criminal if I cry foul.


I never said anything about unjustly whatever. This is producers charging for services, cut and dry. I don't like paying more money for anything any more than the next guy, but If you think its bullshit that people charge for things they do, you either need to speak with your wallet (which you arent, cause you're still going to buy it) or you need to get the fuck out of america (which you aren't going to do because its way easier to bitch on the internet).

The fact is publishers do not see a dime on used purchases. This allows them to. You can say, well they don't need extra money, they're all fat cats. They could say the same thing about you and every luxury you enjoy. Its capitalism and its here to stay, commie.

You don't want to pay the 10 dollars, don't play online or don't buy used. Welcome to america.
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03/30/2011 03:49 PM (UTC)
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scienceguy14 Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
What's underhanded? Asking people to pay you for a service you provide?

What service? You mean the one that was free before some corporate asshole had a bright idea to start charging money for it?

If they could,they'd charge you for the air that you breathe.

Open your eyes. They are not doing this because they are unjustly deprived of their deserved rewards. They are doing this because they are extremely butthurt about Gamestop's successful business model,so they decided they want a slice of that pie too.

Fenix Wrote:
You're just bitching because you don't like to pay for stuff. Sorry kiddo, entertainment involves paying for stuff.

I'm buying the KE and the TE,new.

So don't tell me that I don't like to pay for my entertainment.

What I don't like is getting scammed out of my money and then treated like a criminal if I cry foul.


and how the fuck are you getting scam if your buying the game brand new any damn ways? smh complain just to hear yourself


Your console broke. You have to get a new one...AND you have to pay 10 dollars to WB to play online again
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03/30/2011 03:50 PM (UTC)
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Its somewhat disconcerting that people are attacking those in this thread who are defending the consumer.


They are not defending the consumer, this is raging about prices. Guess what, the price of a used copy of MK9 w/ online support just went up 10 dollars. The price of a brand new copy did not change, nor is playing online a mandatory component of gameplay. In what way has the consumer been attacked?

The consumer can defend itself with its wallet. Not buy the game and send the right message. But they won't because they want the game. Well, if you want the game you pay the price of admission. See also: welcome to america.
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