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05/28/2011 06:42 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
They weren't implemented separately. They were designed and programmed at the same time and the same budget as everything else in the game. Those costumes are about as "extra" as the challenge tower or character endings.

What they're doing is selling you a lock box and then making you pay extra for the key.
This.
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Spirit_Wolf
05/28/2011 10:14 AM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:
The price isn't the problem, it's the principal of the matter, it's like buying a new car, but oh wait the trunk is locked and you can't access the spare tire even though it's already in the trunk until you fork over additional money and then we'll give you the key lol.


I disagree. When you buy a car, you know whether or not you are going to be able to open that trunk. If you don't all ready know at the time of your purchase , then you are a bad consumer.

When you bought MK2011, you knew that you would not be getting the classic costumes unless you preordered.

By not preordering, you bought the game without extra features.

Now they are releasing these extra features. Extra. They aren't standard features that have been kept from you. They are extra.

Now sure NRS could have given away these extra features for free. But that is a flawed business model. If DLC didn't have a profitable future, it would not be implemented.


I had to reply on this one.
Following your logic... No, the Classics aren't extra's. Boon clearly mentioned during one of his interviews, that they wouldn't charge for content that is already on the disc. And clearly the Classics are on there. Pre-ordering only meant early access.

And not every dlc has to be profitable. Look at Burnout Paradise. The first few dlc's were free. And they were way bigger dlc's than this Classics dlc pack.
I'm even more angrier because I got "robbed out of" my Classic Reptile code. I pre-ordered mine, but because something happened with my delivery being too late, they didn't keep my code for me... . Contacting Netherrealm doesn't do shit apparantly.
On this part, Netherrealm gets a big thumbs down.
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ErmaSco
05/28/2011 11:44 AM (UTC)
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The whole costumes DLC was designed with the same budget and under the same timeline and that should make it totally FREE.

Also , they say there should be free DLC and if this ain't the one , then what ?
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Diablix
05/28/2011 01:50 PM (UTC)
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Kazmer13 Wrote:
...so the promise of having the first DLC content available by the end of the month is....garbage? Guess I'll just wait another week to get the stuff everyone else already has then hopefully we'll get Kenshi and Skarlet by the end of the Summer.


except they didnt promise a DLC by the end of the month. Ed Boon said "definately within a month", ie placing the promised latest point for initial DLC to be in the ides of June.
Don't penalise a company because you assumed "within a month" meant two weeks.
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McNasty
05/28/2011 02:36 PM (UTC)
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A retro fatality for Kitana would be pointless. All she ever did was decapitate and a gay kiss of death. Stupid.

None of MIleena's fatalites warrant use in the new game, IMO. They're all retarded anyway.

Ermac has a few classics that could be used.

Jade has one that MIGHT work, the staff decapitation. Other than that, she doesn't have a classic good enough to warrant use in the new game.


Bottom line, dont worry about the other characters not getting fatalities to go with the costumes. They wouldn't be that good anyway.
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05/28/2011 03:35 PM (UTC)
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McNasty Wrote:
A retro fatality for Kitana would be pointless. All she ever did was decapitate and a gay kiss of death. Stupid.

None of MIleena's fatalites warrant use in the new game, IMO. They're all retarded anyway.

Ermac has a few classics that could be used.

Jade has one that MIGHT work, the staff decapitation. Other than that, she doesn't have a classic good enough to warrant use in the new game.


Bottom line, dont worry about the other characters not getting fatalities to go with the costumes. They wouldn't be that good anyway.


No. Just no.
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CrimsonDawn
05/28/2011 04:29 PM (UTC)
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goosu2006 Wrote:
I like additional costumes just as much as the next guy, but these costumes were already programmed on the disc, and I don't play as any of these characters much, only interesting one is Kitana, since I don't have her, and i actually use her. Have scorpion and jade already. Think I will pass until Skarlett/Kenshi. Thanks anyway NRS.


This... And yes the costumes are on the disc. I would rather just wait a few years for skarlet(if the psn network crashes again)perhaps my future children will enjoy playing her in 2021.
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Disco_Diva
05/28/2011 07:20 PM (UTC)
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5$ is a decent price. I'm glad all these weren't for free considering they were supposed to be exclusives.

I don't know about you guys but I like my free exclusives actually EXCLUSIVE. If this pack was going to be released for free, then there'd be no reason to pre-order it next time. I just hope they allow separate costumes for purchase since so many people are bitching.

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AJC3317
05/28/2011 10:00 PM (UTC)
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i've never bought a costume pack, and don't plan to start now. how devs charge money for something like that is beyond me
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sonicherosfan1
05/28/2011 11:07 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, even gamestop's ad for the game saids. Unlock scorpion fatality and costume. Keyword, unlock not download.

I think its messed up to pay for something that they didn't work on after words as extra DLC. This is nothing new. If anything. This DLC should be completely free. Its not like you paid extra when preordering the game to get it when they offered it. So why the hell should we pay extra now?
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Disco_Diva
05/28/2011 11:22 PM (UTC)
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sonicherosfan1 Wrote:
Its not like you paid extra when preordering the game to get it when they offered it. So why the hell should we pay extra now?


Because you didn't pre-order. tongue
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sonicherosfan1
05/28/2011 11:35 PM (UTC)
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Really? Cause I pre-ordered from gamestop and thats how I got mine?

My thought on DLC is this.
If the company creates extra content for the game later on, then they can charge for it. But the fact remains. All of this was made before the game was out and before it was finished. There is nothing new here to standout and say, here is some new DLC for you guys and we worked extra hard to make this brand new.
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Disco_Diva
05/28/2011 11:50 PM (UTC)
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sonicherosfan1 Wrote:
Really? Cause I pre-ordered from gamestop and thats how I got mine?

My thought on DLC is this.
If the company creates extra content for the game later on, then they can charge for it. But the fact remains. All of this was made before the game was out and before it was finished. There is nothing new here to standout and say, here is some new DLC for you guys and we worked extra hard to make this brand new.


How does that change the fact you didn't pre-order from Amazon, Best Buy, Wal-Mart, Toys R Us or get the MK Blus (which didn't even require a pre-order)? #Oops!

Yeah that's great. Maybe when you have your own video game company you can implement this strategy, but NRS are not doing that.

They're also not forcing you to buy this DLC. If you don't want to pay for it, then you don't have to. If you want it, then you're gonna have to pay for it.
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McNasty
05/29/2011 12:39 AM (UTC)
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Bottom line... IT'S A BUSINESS. You have to make people pay for things to make money. Why not complain that the game was $60 instead of $40, or the Kollector's Edition was over $100 instead of $75 for an art book and book ends?

Seriously people, let it go. Everyone always wants s free hand out. Stop complaining so much, buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't think it's worth it. Who cares? Quit being babies.
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Shesgotclaws
05/29/2011 12:47 AM (UTC)
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People believed when they said on-disc content would be free? Of course not, they'd lose so much money.
Video games are a business like any other. DLC is a perfect way to exploit an extra sale from its fans. And if you don't like paying? Don't get it! Everyone chooses for themselves, its ideal.
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05/29/2011 01:29 AM (UTC)
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Disco_Diva Wrote:
They're also not forcing you to buy this DLC. If you don't want to pay for it, then you don't have to.

Not true. We already bought the content. It's physically on the disc, like the challenge tower, like the endings, like the other alternate costumes. Would it be ethical for NRS to program a lock on the challenge tower and make us pay five dollars to for a software key?

They're selling us stuff we already purchased.

McNasty Wrote:
Seriously people, let it go. Everyone always wants s free hand out. Stop complaining so much, buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't think it's worth it. Who cares? Quit being babies.

The fact that you used the phrase "free hand out" informs me that you didn't even read the thread.
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Disco_Diva
05/29/2011 02:17 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
They're also not forcing you to buy this DLC. If you don't want to pay for it, then you don't have to.

Not true. We already bought the content. It's physically on the disc, like the challenge tower, like the endings, like the other alternate costumes. Would it be ethical for NRS to program a lock on the challenge tower and make us pay five dollars to for a software key?

They're selling us stuff we already purchased.


Now, when I said "if you don't want to pay for it, you don't have to", I meant the actual product they were selling (i.e. the unlock keys).

You mistake the content being on disc with the content being useable. This pack makes the content useable. $5 to unlock 7 outfits and 3 fatalities comes out to 50cents per key (assuming the fatalities are a separate key). That's not a lot in the long run. I already have four of those bonuses (once again counting fatalities as a separate key), which amounts to about 83cents. Still not a bad price, it's less than a dollar per key.

Now onto the ethics of it all: Just because the content is on disc, it doesn't mean it HAS to be given out to you for free. If this was the case then we should have Bosses, NPCs (like Stunt Man, Director, etc.) and other crap that you can't use in the game just because they are IN the game.

No, the job of NRS was to provide a great game for a damn great price. They accomplished that. These outfits were bonuses made to entice people to pre-order the game from a specific location (or just in general). That's it. They are not integral to the game and that was my point.
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05/29/2011 02:25 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Disco_Diva Wrote:
They're also not forcing you to buy this DLC. If you don't want to pay for it, then you don't have to.

Not true. We already bought the content. It's physically on the disc, like the challenge tower, like the endings, like the other alternate costumes. Would it be ethical for NRS to program a lock on the challenge tower and make us pay five dollars to for a software key?

They're selling us stuff we already purchased.

McNasty Wrote:
Seriously people, let it go. Everyone always wants s free hand out. Stop complaining so much, buy it if you want it, don't buy it if you don't think it's worth it. Who cares? Quit being babies.

The fact that you used the phrase "free hand out" informs me that you didn't even read the thread.



are you talking about the fact that is already on the disk and Boon said there would be free DLC? Who cares? It's a business. Honestly, if you had the opportunity to charge people with more content, wouldn't you?

It's just like how to get the Jade costume, you had to buy their movie on BluRay. Ok, it's "already on the disc." But you had to pay $15 for the movie to get the code.

it's all about money. People complaining it's not free, whether it's already embedded on the disc or not, it pointless and stupid.
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NoobSaibot5
05/29/2011 02:39 AM (UTC)
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People are missing the point here entirely. It's not as simple as "dont like it, dont get it, that's how business runs".

They're basically trying to sell you content you already fucking own within your own retail copy of the game. Content that you've already paid for, and if you hacked your own personal copy of this game you'd have unlocked in seconds. Nothing is being downloaded here at all. All of the fatality files and classical costumes are already there on your copy of the game that you've already paid for, but it's locked away until you pay even more for it.

It's like having 85% of a product available to use with the last 15% of it restricted, yet paying for the full 100%, and then having to pay extra just to get that last 15% unlocked for you. Why this seems acceptable in terms of the video game industry is beyond me, and what's shocking is that basic general logic and cop on within the fan community are often completely overshadowed by a consumerist attitude.

Regardless if it's 5 dollars or 50 dollars, it's still an audacious and insulting request from a business that prides itself in "listening and understanding it's Fans" to charge additional money from consumers who have paid for a full game to merely unlock data that's already on your retail copy of the game.

It's not like these are brand new fighter's with new move sets included, they're models you can see clearly in the Story Mode but recoloured and applied onto data that's already present in your game. It would be one thing if you were downloading and paying for Kintaro's playable data, or even Shao Khan's, but that's not the case here. One, because there's technically no new content coming on to your game, and two because all of that data is already there.
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Espio872
05/29/2011 02:57 AM (UTC)
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lol people want a free hand out? This content was already purchased when we bought this 60 dollar game to support their company because we love the series and respect them and their series. We're not asking for free stuff, we already own it, we simly cannot access it,


That has been factually proven by the challenge tower mission with Scorpion and Sub-Zero, hidden fights against human Reptile, Jade, Smoke and the classic fatalities functioning perfectly fine prior to release of the game as evidenced by people who got the game early performing them.


I can see by some of the immautrity in some of these posts that this debate is pointless because it cannot be civil thanks to some people apparently, people have to bring down personal attacks and have to act like petulant children instead of simply discussing the issue.


I've said my peace, I'll bow out of this thread now.




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05/29/2011 03:10 AM (UTC)
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The more sales Netherrealm get with this kind of thing, the more they can justify spending their time to make more DLC. Sure the content is already on the disk, but that was designed for pre-order bonuses. Companies these days depend on pre-orders to get an estimate on how successful their game is going to be. These figures are used to demonstrate to whoever is funding them that their game is going to be a worthwhile pursuit – to justify spending more time with DLC/patches/etc. I predict that MKvDC didn’t get downloadable characters for this reason, it wasn’t going to be a good enough investment to spend time and money to make more content. Pre-order bonuses are great devise to get people to pre-order and help the company.

The point is, we are lucky to be offered this pack that was intended for pre-order purposes. If pre-orders aren’t your cup of tea, by all means don’t buy it - nobody will judge you. But to take the position that ‘all they just want our money’ and stubbornly refuse to not buy, try and look at this from a company point of view. I’m sure the programmers are cool guys that would love to give you free DLC every month or so. But creating extra content uses time and money. If people buy these skins, Netherrealm can show their superiors that new content is worth doing. It’s a supply and demand thing. DLC might not make it past Skarlet or Kenchi if there isn’t a demand.

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Spider804
05/29/2011 03:10 AM (UTC)
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Is it a problem that I don't even like what's in the pack anyway?
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NoobSaibot5
05/29/2011 03:18 AM (UTC)
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Just to be clear, it's not a "hand out" I'm expecting. We technically already own that data, it's just locked away from us, so there's nothing for them to "hand out" at all. What I'd like is for the data I paid for to be unlocked for free.

Considering the oldschool fans are obviously taken into consideration in this franchise, I'd like to think some level of respect towards the fans who have been loyal to the franchise for 20 odd years would be shown with the vintage stuff being unlocked for free. I think it would be a nice gesture if they said "Well hey guys, there was data in that game we kept locked and hidden until after the game sold so many copies, and as a gesture of good will we're going to release a free DLC patch that unlocks those for you fans to enjoy and use".

If anything I'd actually have more respect for the team to take the time to do that and not be measley enough to charge extra for non-additional content, and I'd actually be a lot more inclined to purchase later DLC because I'd know it was fresh material they worked on and sold as opposed to merely trying to sell me old data that I technically already own.

Regardless what argument is made in favour of it, the idea of paying extra for content that's not even downloaded but merely just unlocked, regardless how little the price is, is absolutely ludicrous to me. And I'm ashamed that there are fans who actually support this parasitic behaviour and think the developers are the ones doing us favours. Especially in cases like this where the material being offered is in no way shape or form new and was developed alongside the retail copy you personally own yourself.
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Disco_Diva
05/29/2011 03:18 AM (UTC)
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NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
People are missing the point here entirely. It's not as simple as "dont like it, dont get it, that's how business runs".

They're basically trying to sell you content you already fucking own within your own retail copy of the game. Content that you've already paid for, and if you hacked your own personal copy of this game you'd have unlocked in seconds. Nothing is being downloaded here at all. All of the fatality files and classical costumes are already there on your copy of the game that you've already paid for, but it's locked away until you pay even more for it.

It's like having 85% of a product available to use with the last 15% of it restricted, yet paying for the full 100%, and then having to pay extra just to get that last 15% unlocked for you. Why this seems acceptable in terms of the video game industry is beyond me, and what's shocking is that basic general logic and cop on within the fan community are often completely overshadowed by a consumerist attitude.

Regardless if it's 5 dollars or 50 dollars, it's still an audacious and insulting request from a business that prides itself in "listening and understanding it's Fans" to charge additional money from consumers who have paid for a full game to merely unlock data that's already on your retail copy of the game.

It's not like these are brand new fighter's with new move sets included, they're models you can see clearly in the Story Mode but recoloured and applied onto data that's already present in your game. It would be one thing if you were downloading and paying for Kintaro's playable data, or even Shao Khan's, but that's not the case here. One, because there's technically no new content coming on to your game, and two because all of that data is already there.


How is the play data for Kintaro and Shao Khan any different to this? There's youtube videos of a hack that allows you to play as these guys and play them fine.

It's no where NEAR "audacious and insulting", you guys are really over-dramatic for no reason. The product they are selling you is the game. The standalone, gory fighting game it's always been. HOWEVER, they gave us all:
-A Story Mode
-The Challenge Tower
-Test Your Might
-Test Your Sight
-Test Your Luck
-Test Your Strike
ALL for free and you guys actually have the AUDACITY to complain and moan for 5$ costumes that don't really add to the enjoyment of the game?

If YOU want to think they only gave you 85%, that's fine. Keep your own pessimistic view of life. However, they technically gave us 100% in giving a great game with multiple mini-games and a story mode. The pre-order bonuses were items that seemed to add 10% to that already established 100% IMO.
I guess some people only buy a game for the bonuses...

Plus, if you think anything "for the fans" means "we're going to give everything for free, even the stuff we didn't really intend to implement as a main part of the game AND your game can totally function WITHOUT THEM", then you are sorely mistaken.

Also, if you're boasting that you can hack these and get these for free then why don't you just do that? Like honestly, that argument makes no sense. If you can hack it why complain that it's so unfair?
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Diablix
05/29/2011 06:00 AM (UTC)
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After reading some of these posts i have one thing to say to everyone complaining that they are being charged for content already on the disc.
it's true. They are releasing a DLC that is content already on the disc.
It's also true that your game is 100% of the game, as it was when you bought it.

how might you ask?

They advertised the klassik kostumes as PRE ORDER EXCLUSIVES.
ie those whom pre ordered got over 100% content. depending on how many kodes they got.

so, they have advertised a game where only those who pre order get the klassik outfits.

Now, they turn around and say "hey. for those of you that didnt pre order for whatever reason, we're going to give you the klassik kostumes as DLC."

Now, in my opinion they have every right to charge a small fee for it. infact, i support a company's right to do so. I personally hate how pre order bonuses are completly unavailable to anyone who didnt get to pre order in time, and have been driven away from pre ordering because everytime i pre order they never give me the pre order bonus.

anywqay, moving right along. why do i support this? a DLC that they charge for kontent that's already on the disc?
Why, because it IS extra of course. no matter how you look at it, they advertised the game as having specific stuff and their advertisements were QUITE clear that if you didnt pre order you wouldnt get this kontent.
SO...what does that mean?that means if you didnt pre order, you got 100% of what you were promised, and what the game was supposed to be for you.

So as far as I'm concerned, you honestly have no right to complain. If you feel it's unethical for a company to go ahead and give you the opportunity to get kontent you missed, that IS extra, then just don't buy it. They aren't putting a gun to your head and demanding you download it.

They are simply offering it to those whom want all the pre order bonuses that never got them.

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