GotOverThere Wrote:
2. It would be cool if Tag mode made it so that Shang Tsung didn't tag out and instead just morphed into his ally (and switched health bars). I know the characters all have custom tag out animations, though not certain they would actually do this.
2. It would be cool if Tag mode made it so that Shang Tsung didn't tag out and instead just morphed into his ally (and switched health bars). I know the characters all have custom tag out animations, though not certain they would actually do this.
Although that sounds cool, it really doesn't make sense, because it would still be Shang Tsung losing health, not his ally, therefore switching health bars just doesn't seem right.
GotOverThere Wrote:
3. This is the first game Shang Tsung can morph where the characters can have alternate costumes. Since the morph is part of Soul Steal now, I wonder if when he is in a mirror match he could use Soul Steal to temporarily change costumes (ie. if young Shang Tsung soul steals old Shang Tsung, would they both be old Shang Tsung temporarily, or would he just not morph because he will never morph into himself?).
3. This is the first game Shang Tsung can morph where the characters can have alternate costumes. Since the morph is part of Soul Steal now, I wonder if when he is in a mirror match he could use Soul Steal to temporarily change costumes (ie. if young Shang Tsung soul steals old Shang Tsung, would they both be old Shang Tsung temporarily, or would he just not morph because he will never morph into himself?).
I guess if young Shang Tsung steals soul from old Tsung he'd morph into old Tsung, only alternate color .
GotOverThere Wrote:
Will soul steal work on bosses? If it does, then that would pretty much confirm they are playable (provided they have inputs for the special moves and such when Shang Tsung morphs into them).
Will soul steal work on bosses? If it does, then that would pretty much confirm they are playable (provided they have inputs for the special moves and such when Shang Tsung morphs into them).
I hope it won't work against bosses and I sure hope they're not playable either.
ZeeDoctor Wrote:
I for one am very happy Shang Tsung can't morph into everyone.
I for one am very happy Shang Tsung can't morph into everyone.
Me too! I always hated Shang Tsung being able to do all the other characters' special moves, especially trademark ones.
I think him being able to morph only into his current opponent is perfect. It gives him a unique ability/attack no one else has and it also makes him less cheap.
I always thought that he should be able to morph only into people whose soul he has taken or at least took a part of it. Who the hell is he to just randomly morph into whoever he wants? That's something on the Elder Gods level, imo, and he's just a sorcerer after all. The only way I'd approve of him morphing into anyone is if he'd be able to only change his physical appearance, meaning he wouldn't have access to other characters' special moves. That doesn't sound useful gameplay-wise, but it'd be useful for story purposes though...
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Like the vignette, not impressed with his costumes, especially the young version, LOVE THE FATALITY!
Oh and, his voice... As if he caught a cold... lol
Darkhound74 Wrote:
Well your wrong my friend because that fatality has nothing to do with a soul steal at at.
drpvfx Wrote:
TOLD YOU the Soul Steal Fatality would cause dismemberment!
That was such a hard thing to guess!
Oh well, at least it's not *exactly* the same...
TOLD YOU the Soul Steal Fatality would cause dismemberment!
That was such a hard thing to guess!
Oh well, at least it's not *exactly* the same...
Well your wrong my friend because that fatality has nothing to do with a soul steal at at.
Call it whatever you want to- the fatality they showed the wallpaper for last week.
It looked like perhaps the first fatality with no cut points,
but I guessed otherwise, and I WAS RIGHT!
No stealing that victory from me, guys
(Don't worry, it's a bitter win).
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On the subject of Shang Tsung having his own moves and abilities, I'm a little disappointed that they've omitted the part of his story where he was the Mortal Kombat champion until the Great Kung Lao came along, skipping ahead to the part where he was hosting it. Maybe it's still within the canon, but I always really liked that part of his story and it saddens me that they thought it was trivial enough to leave out of his vignette.
I mean, that was one of the signs that he was not someone to be f*cked around with. That was a little reminder that while he is an excellent sorceror, he is also a very skilled fighter. Sure, he was beaten by the Great Kung Lao and Liu Kang has always gotten the better of him, but you don't get 9 consecutive tournament victories without being able to throw down something fierce. People really need to be reminded of that ferocity he does well to hide.
I mean, that was one of the signs that he was not someone to be f*cked around with. That was a little reminder that while he is an excellent sorceror, he is also a very skilled fighter. Sure, he was beaten by the Great Kung Lao and Liu Kang has always gotten the better of him, but you don't get 9 consecutive tournament victories without being able to throw down something fierce. People really need to be reminded of that ferocity he does well to hide.


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I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.


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~Crow~ Wrote:
I don't know how I feel about him taking on his "curse" willingly rather than actually being cursed by the gods, but meh.
I don't know how I feel about him taking on his "curse" willingly rather than actually being cursed by the gods, but meh.
I think that "curse" thing was dumb anyway. People don't stay young forever so one guy being told he can do just that by stealing souls is more of an enhancement than anything else. A curse usually involves sacrificing something.


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unseenwombat Wrote:
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
What in the hell is sour-grapesing?
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I'm really glad he has his morphing ability even if it is limited. NRS was able to make it plausible, due to the limitations, and I'm glad he has it back in some form at least. Rather than NRS completely scrapping the gameplay mechanic for him due to limitations like they did after UMK3.
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ZeeDoctor Wrote:
What in the hell is sour-grapesing?
unseenwombat Wrote:
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
What in the hell is sour-grapesing?
Taken from Wikipedia-
The phrase sour grapes is an expression originating from "The Fox and the Grapes," one of Aesop's Fables . It refers to envious behaviour, especially pretending to not care for something one does not or cannot have, a condition called cognitive dissonance.


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drpvfx Wrote:
Call it whatever you want to- the fatality they showed the wallpaper for last week.
It looked like perhaps the first fatality with no cut points,
but I guessed otherwise, and I WAS RIGHT!
No stealing that victory from me, guys
(Don't worry, it's a bitter win).
Darkhound74 Wrote:
Well your wrong my friend because that fatality has nothing to do with a soul steal at at.
drpvfx Wrote:
TOLD YOU the Soul Steal Fatality would cause dismemberment!
That was such a hard thing to guess!
Oh well, at least it's not *exactly* the same...
TOLD YOU the Soul Steal Fatality would cause dismemberment!
That was such a hard thing to guess!
Oh well, at least it's not *exactly* the same...
Well your wrong my friend because that fatality has nothing to do with a soul steal at at.
Call it whatever you want to- the fatality they showed the wallpaper for last week.
It looked like perhaps the first fatality with no cut points,
but I guessed otherwise, and I WAS RIGHT!
No stealing that victory from me, guys
(Don't worry, it's a bitter win).
Well before you celebrate haha, we have yet to see the fatality on Sub-Zero's wallpaper and that just means that we might have yet to the Shang Tsung one as well.
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Sour Grapes? More like being realistic and actually appreciating a character that isn't a jack of all trades.


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Spider804 Wrote:
Taken from Wikipedia-
The phrase sour grapes is an expression originating from "The Fox and the Grapes," one of Aesop's Fables . It refers to envious behaviour, especially pretending to not care for something one does not or cannot have, a condition called cognitive dissonance.
ZeeDoctor Wrote:
What in the hell is sour-grapesing?
unseenwombat Wrote:
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
What in the hell is sour-grapesing?
Taken from Wikipedia-
The phrase sour grapes is an expression originating from "The Fox and the Grapes," one of Aesop's Fables . It refers to envious behaviour, especially pretending to not care for something one does not or cannot have, a condition called cognitive dissonance.
Thank you.
Now I know what he was saying is ridiculous.


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drpvfx Wrote:
Call it whatever you want to- the fatality they showed the wallpaper for last week.
It looked like perhaps the first fatality with no cut points,
but I guessed otherwise, and I WAS RIGHT!
No stealing that victory from me, guys
(Don't worry, it's a bitter win).
Darkhound74 Wrote:
Well your wrong my friend because that fatality has nothing to do with a soul steal at at.
drpvfx Wrote:
TOLD YOU the Soul Steal Fatality would cause dismemberment!
That was such a hard thing to guess!
Oh well, at least it's not *exactly* the same...
TOLD YOU the Soul Steal Fatality would cause dismemberment!
That was such a hard thing to guess!
Oh well, at least it's not *exactly* the same...
Well your wrong my friend because that fatality has nothing to do with a soul steal at at.
Call it whatever you want to- the fatality they showed the wallpaper for last week.
It looked like perhaps the first fatality with no cut points,
but I guessed otherwise, and I WAS RIGHT!
No stealing that victory from me, guys
(Don't worry, it's a bitter win).
Did you see my post? The wallpaper fatality and the one in this video are two different fatalities.
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No problemo, Zeed.

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TonyTheTiger Wrote:
I think that "curse" thing was dumb anyway. People don't stay young forever so one guy being told he can do just that by stealing souls is more of an enhancement than anything else. A curse usually involves sacrificing something.
~Crow~ Wrote:
I don't know how I feel about him taking on his "curse" willingly rather than actually being cursed by the gods, but meh.
I don't know how I feel about him taking on his "curse" willingly rather than actually being cursed by the gods, but meh.
I think that "curse" thing was dumb anyway. People don't stay young forever so one guy being told he can do just that by stealing souls is more of an enhancement than anything else. A curse usually involves sacrificing something.
I always thought the idea was like, in the beginning, when he first got cursed the idea of sucking souls to live was a shit deal only as he went on for however long he got used to the idea and now he likes it.
kind of a parallel to the token vampirism and lycanthropy themes that usually casts a hero as a character who gets stuck with it but hates it whereas the villain gets stuck with it and lavishes in it.

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unseenwombat Wrote:
@Fenix, couldn't they just require a hard drive install like you say other games do? Then it would work fine for everyone.
ZeeDoctor Wrote:
I for one am very happy Shang Tsung can't morph into everyone.
Shangs one of MK's best characters, in my opinion, and being able to turn into anybody takes away a lot from him. He stops being about Shang Tsung and becomes "The guy who can be everybody". He loses his identity.
I disagree. In every single one of the original games, that was his identity and made him unique and, somewhat paradoxically, different from the other characters. It wasn't until the 3d faggotry and games on discs that he started to be just another character with his own special moves. And since this game is recreating those three, it should be his identity again. I for one am very happy Shang Tsung can't morph into everyone.
Shangs one of MK's best characters, in my opinion, and being able to turn into anybody takes away a lot from him. He stops being about Shang Tsung and becomes "The guy who can be everybody". He loses his identity.
@Fenix, couldn't they just require a hard drive install like you say other games do? Then it would work fine for everyone.
You /could/ but again, segmenting your audience based on a hardware requirement is a big fuck you to your fanbase. PS3 might require a drive install, but 360 certainly doesn't and a lot of 360 players still play off 20 gig hard drives or worse, flash drives.
And I may even be talking out of my ass on wether it would actually work, there's more than a couple 360 games that are actually worse (loading wise) when installed vs off disc. Its also possible that even drive access speed isn't sufficient. I mean, the arcade rom had to push (ballpark) a meg of info for a character. Scorpion's sound files alone are probably that much. You gotta consider what the load would do in an online match, too.
Now what they could probably do (and did, with shinnok in MK) is cheat and just load the animation data, but everybody thought that was pretty shitty.
Regardless, unless we're talking about MK Mythologies: Shang Tsung's adventures, nobody is going to write the kind of tech necessary to make it happen for one character. I'm sure its the kind of thing "fans" will call lazy or cash in, but thats just facts. Wasting months of dev time on one guy's gimmick versus weeks on two or three is just shitty development.
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Did anyone notice the "lady in Red" on the left side of Tsung's throne @ 1:07? Is that a hint towards her allegiance?


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eslegnithton Wrote:
Did anyone notice the "lady in Red" on the left side of Tsung's throne @ 1:07? Is that a hint towards her allegiance?
Did anyone notice the "lady in Red" on the left side of Tsung's throne @ 1:07? Is that a hint towards her allegiance?
I think that's Mileena.
unseenwombat Wrote:
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
I know I'm not the only one who wanted Shang to have his morph ability back. So either everyone who also wanted it is absent right now (Bezou for example), or some of you are sour-grapesing.
I was one of the main folks on the pro-morphing crusade,
and I agree that it *was* Shang back then, and people who want him to play like he did in DA are trying to deny the rest of us a favored piece of nostalgia.
I'd still love for him to have full-on MKII-3 style morphs,
but it doesn't look likely at this point.
I'm just accepting that, somewhat begrudgingly.


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Nice! Even with limited understanding of what the technological limitations were I always figured morphing into the opponent should still be possible, as the opponent's data should be loaded into RAM...or...something.

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drpvfx Wrote:
No offense- but that's just a guess.
I hope you're right, though.
Hooky-Fooky Wrote:
Did you see my post? The wallpaper fatality and the one in this video are two different fatalities.
Did you see my post? The wallpaper fatality and the one in this video are two different fatalities.
No offense- but that's just a guess.
I hope you're right, though.
The wallpaper shows him sucking the soul out of his victim. It's coming out of the eyes and mouth and moving toward Shang. This video shows him turning into a "mist" and entering his opponent then ripping the head off. There's no guessing involved they are two different fatalities

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ZeeDoctor Wrote:
I for one am very happy Shang Tsung can't morph into everyone.
Shangs one of MK's best characters, in my opinion, and being able to turn into anybody takes away a lot from him. He stops being about Shang Tsung and becomes "The guy who can be everybody". He loses his identity.
I for one am very happy Shang Tsung can't morph into everyone.
Shangs one of MK's best characters, in my opinion, and being able to turn into anybody takes away a lot from him. He stops being about Shang Tsung and becomes "The guy who can be everybody". He loses his identity.
But that fits perfectly into Shang's character as a sneaky, deceptive, lying snake.
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