The problem with the "snap blaze's neck" is that that won't stop Armageddon. Armageddon was caused by too many powerful warriors, as in, every character. Blaze was actually a catalyst to STOP it. Granted he failed to do so in most endings, but Blaze himself has nothing to do with causing Armageddon (at least the event, not the game) he just had the ability to stop it. So without him, Armageddon wouldn't only STILL come to pass, it wouldn't have any chance of being stopped

No, Armageddon was caused by all those powerful warriors being in the same place at the same time BECAUSE Blaze was there and they all heard about and wanted the prize.

It was a self-fulfilling prophecy. Argus and Delia made a huge mistake and ended up being the thing that caused her vision to come true. If Blaze had never been created, that battle in the crater never would've been started, and Armageddon never would've occurred at all.

Hell, about a third of the people who were at the battle were ALREADY DEAD, the only reason they were there is Shinnok let them out of hell to force the battle to happen so Blaze would show up and he could get the prize.

If there's no Prize, there's no Armageddon. Bottom Line.

Well. Now change Blaze for another prize. Will be the same situation. Blaze wasn't the fault, the fault was that he was corrupted by Onaga's sorcerers.

If you want to prevent the Armageddon, the best form in "purify" Blaze, not kill him. The "One Being" soon or later will find how manipulate a lot of characters.

What prize? There are no others. Blaze is the only thing we know of in MK that can make someone a god other than the Elder Gods themselves. As long as he exists, Armageddon is unavoidable, but if he stops existing, that alone will prevent Armageddon.

And if there IS something else in the universe that can make 60 people with powers fight all at once in one spot, then what you're saying is, attempting to avoid Armageddon is futile no matter WHAT Raiden does.

Killing his enemies won't ever solve the problem, they'll all just go to the Netherealm and whoever's in charge down there will let them free to serve his agendas, repeating the process over and over and over again.

Hell, what if you kill Kahn and Kahn actually overthrows Shinnok and becomes the next ruler of Hell? He'd be even more powerful and dangerous than he already is. You'd have made everything even fucking worse.

I'm telling you, this is the only possible way this game can end that would actually make sense: http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NiceJobBreakingItHero

Basically. Raiden with his actions maybe can delay (or advance) the Armageddon, but the "One Being" will find another way to create it, or another form to awake.

If Raiden kills Blaze, I'm pretty sure that he will become like his Armageddon ending. And I don't sure if that will advance the Armageddon, but hey, I don't see more Mortal Kombat without more realms like Earthrealm, a realm with a crazy Elder God as "protector".

If Raiden needs to kill someone to prevent Armageddon, Shujinko, Reptile, Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung... are a more safe-bet options...

The good guys were all gathering together to take out the bad guys once and for all...Armageddon woulda happened one way or another,

The good guys gathered because Shinnok tricked Johnny Cage into assembling them. Because he WANTED Armageddon to happen so Blaze and the pyramid would come out of hiding and he could take the prize.

No other MK game has ever took the form of a giant 60-man brawl on a singular battlefield. Characters with powers have existed forever. The One Being had been influencing Shao Kahn for hundreds of thousands of years. And there was NEVER any danger of a battle like Armageddon until Blaze and the Prize.

It never would've happened without the existence of Blaze. Never. Armageddon is ENTIRELY Argus and Delia's fault. They accidentally made their own prophecy come true. They saw a vision of a war happening in that crater and ending the universe, and what do they do? Give the universe's fighters a reason to go to that crater and have a war that ends the universe! That's retarded! Armageddon wasn't "always going to happen", it happened because they made it happen.
And I still maintain that if you were to try killing Blaze when he's not atop the pyramid, before he takes his giant monster form, you wouldn't get the prize, he'd be killed safely.

So what you're saying is, Armageddon was really brought about by the bad guys scheming, Argus being a pussy, AND Blaze being corrupted.

Okay, you made your point...but that opens up what Raiden's goal is now that he knows what'll happen.

Kill Quan Chi. No Quan Chi, no major factors in MK4, 5, OR 6. And without all that, no Armageddon.

Killing Quan Chi could do a lot to stop the events that lead up to Armageddon, yes...

If it weren't for two things.
1) Quan Chi wasn't even in MK1 thru 3.
2) Quan Chi lives in Hell and all the prison guards are his minions. Killing him just sends him home. How do you propose to ACTUALLY stop him?

And the most important thing you have to remember about this game is Raiden's message from his future self was VAGUE. We don't know what the message says yet, but we do know MK1 Raiden doesn't actually KNOW what he's supposed to change.

So how can he possibly NOT fuck it up and make the universe worse?

Ah, he wasn't AROUND. All evidence points to him being THERE, just that he was in the background making preparations for Shinnoc.


I dunno...fuck him up so bad he doesn't wanna be evil anymore? Raiden looks like he could do that.

Hell, he doesn't necessarily have to KILL him, just get him out of the way somehow. Make sure he can't hurt anybody. You can get somebody out of the way without killing them.

@ making things worse: That would actually be a good idea for an ending...WAIT!

What if an overzealous, stressed-out Raiden turns out to be the final boss?

Killing Quan Chi during MK1-MK3 is a good form to avoid that Shao Kahn resurrected an evil Sindel. And without Sindel resurrected, there's no Outworld's invasion.

Btw, other thing:



Killing some characters at time is much better option in all ways. One of them, is well... this isn't the f'n INMortal Kombat. Armageddon or not, if the universe survives, we need a new generation of fighters...

"No other MK game has ever took the form of a giant 60-man brawl on a singular battlefield."

Do you really think that without Blaze, no one evil masterpiece can't do nothing to create an event to recreate the same conditions? Do you really think that if Raiden kills Blaze, the rest of MK storyline remains equal until the aftermath of Deception? Really?

No it wouldn't. The deal was made before Mythologies even happened, so Raiden can't change that, and Quan Chi was just the guy who struck the deal, Shinnok is the one with the actual power to carry it out.

And again, killing him is equivalent to putting a child on time out in the corner. He LIVES in Hell, all the demons answer to his orders, and he can teleport to any realm he wants at any time he wants, that's what the term "free-roaming sorcerer" means in the first place.



Yes. Really. And I explained how and why. You're just being stubborn.

In fact, there's no actual proof that it was the fighters and their powers that were endangering reality. Turns out it's Blaze's corrupted prize making their powers STRONGER that REALLY causes the end. Maybe the universe would've survived if they were just allowed to fight it out with no Blaze around.

Blaze is not in the damn game plain, and simple. IF I'm wrong, quote this so when the game comes out I owe you money.

1) We know Quan Chi is, at the very least, not terribly thrilled by the prospect of entertaining the company of certain individuals, such as Scorpion. That may or may not entail something less finite than death (the prospect of eternal torture), but I don't think there's any reason to think a Necromancer can't be killed, no matter how difficult or specific the requirements might be.

If we're making leaps in logic, I think it'd be much more reasonable to assume characters can be killed, despite the many apparent backdoors and loopholes that keep them in in-game selectable rotation.
I'm not sure I remember it ever being suggested that Quan Chi has died, or needs to have died to be/exist as a Necromancer and/or whatever he is. It has been specified that his magicks are uniquely tuned to travel between realms, though. Something that seems much more reasonable than a character effectively rendered immortal.

Not that Quan Chi is an obvious solution to anything, he's the minion...

2) Raiden's efforts to change the future could obviously be directed at just about anything, but if there's a specific reason to send a message circa the events of the "MK1" tournament (which flowed right into MK3), maybe it's because he wants to direct his attentions away from the tournament and/or Liu Kang.

Something that existed during this period but wasn't the focus is Onaga's amulet (formerly Shinnok's), which has played a vital role in all of the disasters that have befallen the heroes right up until Armageddon. Obtaining or destroying that during "MK1" wouldn't be such a bad plan -- and would naturally flow on from his MKM objectives, which were theoretically abandoned for the tournament.

Whatever Raiden does, we can probably assume it has some sort of grim twist that prolongs the action (and or creates new problems). Perhaps turning everyone's attentions to the amulet ahead of time instigates an earlier form of Armageddon and creates new motivation for the 'Outworld tournament' (ie; invasion) and subsequent MK3 plotlines.

Maybe those Pit easter eggs with Daegon and Taven fighting in the background are part of the accelerated eventuality of the Armageddon storyline in this timeline. There was an implication, contrary to some of what was discussed earlier in this thread, that Armageddon was not just a conspiracy of events, but an eventuality influenced intangibly by Blaze. Moths to the flame, etc etc, draw them all to one place to destroy them, and so forth.

We might very well end up right back where we started, with a new timeline, or a switch back to the previous one with the appreciation that things might not be so bad. Or in other words; sure! We might see Blaze!

Not necessarily likely outcomes, but plausible food for thought.

Just for the sake of specifics, I never said Quan Chi can't be killed.

What I mean is that killing evil people sends them to the Prison of Souls.

Guess who all the prison guards answer to. Gee, lemme think...could it be Quan Chi?

So yeah, they let him out 'cause he tells them to and he goes along on his merry way. Besides, even if he wasn't in charge, Sub-Zero proved the prison can be escaped from anyway.

Death won't stop ANY villain in Mortal Kombat as long as Hell is a realm and it's possible to make portals in and out. The only thing that could theoretically stop them is the Elder Gods' banishings and decrees, like how they wouldn't let Shao Kahn go to Earth or let Shinnok leave Hell, and even then, both of those were gotten around, weren't they? And the Elder Gods are notorious for refusing to get involved, so I wouldn't count on them solving any of Raiden's problems anytime soon, even if he is trying to prevent the destruction of the entire universe.

Also, we never were told flat out that Quan Chi DID teleport to escape Raiden's suicide in Deception. For all we know, he DID die and came back in Armageddon just fine specifically because of what I'm saying right now, that going to Hell is no obstacle for him.

Not necessarily likely fiction, but certainly plausible food for thought.

It's unlikely we'll see Blaze. I wouldn't mind if he was in in his original form. I disliked the boss form in MKA.

Yeah, and will Argus allow that a lesser God should fuck up a plan that goes in march for millenia ago? Yeah sure, I can imagine the talk...

Raiden is already to kill Blaze, when Argus appears...

A: What do you doing?
R: Save the universe.
A: No, you don't. Blaze is the key to save it.
R: No it won't. I'm from the future...
A: Time travel doesn't exist...
R: Well isn't time travel, my enlightened version of future send me a message...
A: This is the most stupid thing that I never hear...
R: Listen dumb God, I know the future...
A: No, you don't. My wife knows.
R: You wife is a stupid human...
A: And you a corrupted god!!!

Thunders! Lightings!...


Btw, I still surprise that you really think that is possible to change the past without creating a "butterfly effect" that compensates or worsens the modified situation.

I never said there wouldn't be a butterfly effect.

I said killing Blaze would prevent Armageddon while causing the LEAST possible amount of butterfly effect, because he doesn't interact with any other characters in any important way until Armageddon. The universe would never miss him.

Just one second. I detected something wrong in the statement "Raiden killing Blaze...":

How can (a pre-MKDA) Raiden kill Blaze in O-U-T-W-O-R-L-D? Raiden in Outworld is probably one of the most powerless characters of entire roster. And the "pre-MKDA" is because after MK4/Gold, he become in an Elder God until the death of Liu Kang, but the "Earthrealm Protector" was still Fujin.

And if Raiden uses other warrior to kill him... well, probably the "butterfly effect" with that change will be more significant than the fact to kill Blaze...



What about Daegon (and the entire Red Dragon under his command) & Shinnok? How do you think that they will react when they find that there will no be prize? It would be tremendously funny that, without mission, Daegon was helping Shinnok when it was escaping in MK4, and the Red Dragon ended up by praising the victory in favor of the Fallen God. For example...

Raiden isn't completely powerless in Outworld, that's only in the movies.
In the games, he just has to take a mortal form, just like he has to to join the tournament in MK1. So he can be killed, but he still has his powers and special moves, and I'm sure that would be enough to fight and defeat Blaze's smaller, weaker Deadly Alliance form.


I wouldn't mind seeing Daegon and the Red Dragon added to the plot of MK4 instead of Armageddon happening. Of all the games, 4 is the one that could use the most remaking, changing, and fleshing out.

Maybe in MK2 was still like MK1, but in MK3/UMK3 he doesn't appears. And we don't see him battling in Outworld in the Shaolin Monks. If not, why not put Raiden in MK3/UMK3 in probably the worst menace to Earthrealm since the Fall of Shinnok? His MKTrilogy bios is a mere excuse for put him, I'm pretty sure that for the MKTeam that thing was fixed/retconned long time ago...

But hey, maybe I'm wrong, we can see who have reason in the Mortal Kombat Story Mode

That's because the Elder Gods banned him from getting involved because during the merger, Earth was technically part of Outworld and under the jurisdiction of Outworld's gods. But he did get involved anyway in Trilogy...by taking mortal form just the same as in MK1 and 2 and he still had all his powers.



Shaolin Monks isn't canon.



Because it fit the story and because they either didn't want to greenscreen any new characters except the male and female ninjas, or maybe they couldn't greenscreen any new Raiden moves with Carlos. I know they said in an interview for those Deception trading card videos that the straw hat broke and was gone. I'm sure they could've always bought a replacement, but again, maybe they just didn't want Raiden in the game at the time.

Who knows about the behind the scenes reasons for sure. Why did they leave Scorpion out of MK3? Why did they leave Johnny and Baraka out of UMK3? It was the MK way to leave a couple characters out and have a couple new characters every game back then.

Either way, Raiden IS in Trilogy and Trilogy IS canon.

So it's also canon fact that Raiden still has his powers in any realm or during any situation that he has to take a mortal form for. The only thing he loses is his immortality.

I disagree a lot. Right now, Shaolin Monks is canon. Obviously not everything (like the fatalities and the ending), but the rest of things are basically what really happens during MK2.



Then Raiden is a pussy. He really did SOMETHING since MK1 until the end of MKDA (MKD intro)? Raiden is one of most overrated characters in all the saga, and most of this playable appearances makes non-sense.