I didn't see that in the notes. Where are you seeing it?

Why would they be announcing it in a balance patch anyway?

Never said It was announced in the balance patch, ( It's not written anywhere ) But it's a fact.

And this fact is where?

Actually, You're right... It's nowhere, We should not listen to any of my babbling and really try to figure out Smoke's sexual preference.

Sooo...... I think he's straight.

Smoke and C.Sub are Robosexuals

Tom Brady (tester) was on a stream last night and he touched on a lot of the changes in this patch and the "formal" patch coming in "two weeks".

In short, some minor changes now (damage tweaks, hit ranges / stuns), some major changes in two weeks including bomb trap "repair", kabal trap "repair", sonya trap "repair" , online fix, and others. At some other point costumes and skarlet dlc are coming. Kenshi's date is unknown.

Kitana, where are you getting your Kenshi info? He mentioned him being a swordsman, but he never said no telepathy.

Jax doesn't need a buff. He needs players. I main Jax and he's fine.

Also anyone who thinks losing a 50% damage combo is unfair has no idea what balance is and should be happy their character got to be broken for as long as they did.

Out of all the fixes you mentioned, You forgot the most important one. The main reason for that patch to begin with. Oh yeah, They didn't write it down. Never mind, It's fixed now.

I agree on the 50% damage combo thing.

My New Scorpion 45% Midscreen after Stealth Patch:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYr7makS4vQ

Guess this will get fixed to. Even so, I will be back to rebound it.

I'm glad because I'm one of the people who are dedicated Baraka fans.

He never sucked, he was just harder to win with.



P.S. That pop-up is good but it send them kinda far to right/left, doesn't matter because I got a couple +40 combos from it.

lol at REO putting NRS on blast.

I knew it. This just in, lady in purple is confirmed playable. Not in writing, but you know, she is.

And smoke is confirmed straight.

Now your talkin.

Really? I've been playing with Jax, as well as others, practicing and getting their gameplay down. I play with a group that frequents tournaments, and I never choose Jax because everytime I do he gets dismantled. I pick Liu Kang, Ermac, Reptile, or Sub-Zero, and it's a good match.

I'm using all of his tools, but he just doesn't have a good offense--the ground pound is unblockable, but at higher level play people aren't standing on the ground blocking, unless you are throwing a projectile or have them in a block string. Even if they were, you can actual react to Jax's ground pound and jump it because it's so slow.

So, the ground pound is out for an offensive weapon. And Jax doesn't have any other pop-ups, so damage is maxing in the 20's. Also, he's slow. I like Jax as a character, but right now, I don't think we'll be seeing him win any tournaments.

Just my opinion--maybe you have some tactics that can help his cause, please PM me (or post them here) if you have some

That takes two bars of super odd, my x-ray combo only does 40% -.-

Well, I hope all this alterations are for the best.

Hopefully we'll see certain other things "fixed" like Sonya's Kiss of Death move being as useful/fun as it was before. I only use it on special occasions now.

Regarding Kenshi.... I agree that he should at least have his "Tele Fury" and "Tele Push" specials. A real shame he won't have his telekinetic powers.

However, it does make sense considering he us yet to encounter Ermac and learn from him. Ermac is still evil. And Kenshi's origins are that of a swordsman.

So, for story reasons, I think its good. I'm not a real fan of sword fighting style though. Hopefully he will be fun. Maybe the "magic telekinetic" powers will come from his sword instead of his chi. That'd be cool.

Qqueve do you have any details on the changes they made to sonya, everything seems the same to me, I also hope her kiss is improved. I only use it as a taunt when I’m turtling.

someone mentioned smoke getting his OTS smoke nerfed cause it was a glitch.

What exactly is OTS and why was it considered a glitch?

Also the update notes don't mention the parry glitch but NRS said they will fixing that next update.

Lastly, What did Reo Say to put NRS on blast? where the hell do people read this info from?

On another note, Kenshi wasn't blind yet or had telepathic powers yet so I wonder if he still has his blindfold. They probably change his story too so that tsung never ends up blinding him in MKDA in the alternate universe.

You don't realize it, but you've hit it right on the head, Jax /doesn't/ have a really solid offense / rush down game, but that doesn't make him bad just different. Its just not the way he's designed. Stryker, Sindel, even Sektor (and probably others I'm not really familiar with) are in the same boat. The problem is the 4 or 5 majorly played characters right now just have some brain dead tactics (and broken stuff) that people flock to. Tournaments are always populated by the easiest and dirtiest characters, but that's not to say other characters can't compete. Skill is a big fucking factor too.

Baraka got buffed because he was legitimately fucking terrible. It seems like they wanted him to be a rushdown character, but he had no real juggles and his damage output was pathetic. But Jax, Sindel and a couple other people are calling terrible really need some people to sit down and explore them. It really shocks me how much the world seems to think you need a 40%+ damage combo to be a viable character.

Still, if you want some Jax strat here it is. His perfect range is right around mid range, not all the way across the screen, and not totally in the opponents face. Use the wave blast (or whatever its called) and jump kick + air throw to push the enemy out or let yourself in as needed. Punish blocked moves and interupt slow ones with the dash punch, but don't just throw it out there, its high and its predictable. His combos are only good in juggles, because he doesn't have any good combo ender specials. F+4,1,4 and f+2,2,b+1 play well off each other for wake ups and mixups because of the lows and mids, but you'll need to throw the elbow drop in there too from time to time. End corner combos with standing gotcha grabs, or EX anti air gotcha because they give you the best opportunity to go back into your elbow drop pressure on wakeup.

Lastly, you can't just put the ground pound out there like scorpion's hellfire. After knockdowns, throws, even certain combos, most opponents will be waiting for it. You basically need to make your opponent forget you have it by throwing a lot of fireballs and doing elbow drops, then whip it out when they get too comfortable. Never ever ever spam the ground pound even against the shittiest opponent. You're basically asking to get xray'd.

One other thing, never sit on your meter. Jax's Xray is nice, but its only useful after soaking up a full meter from eating a big combo. You can't combo with it, and the "omg its a throw!" novelty wears off quick. EX Dash punch, gotchas, and elbow drops are way better uses of the meter. The projectile and the ground pound not so much, but they too can help in certain situations. lastly, go into training mode and MASTER the multi throw. Even I can't do it yet all the time, but not using it is basically giving away a free 25% damage on a throw. Nobody else in the game can do that.

Did you just say Jax doesnt have any solid Offense or rushdown game?



Are you serious? That definitely isn't true.

Unless I'm mistaken, the term is 'OTG' - off the ground. A specific example, basically, is this:

If you connect with a low air throw, Smoke has the ability to perform the Smoke Cloud the instant he lands on the floor and hit the opponent while they are still down, teleporting them back up and enabling furthering of combos. He can do, for example:

3, down&1, 2, wait until the enemy is about to land from the pop-up, then jump kick into air throw, OTG fireball as soon as he lands, then the X-Ray for an easy 50%.

He has huge combos which all rely on it; him losing that is going to be a serious nerf - but it's not a decision I can argue with, really. I do so love abusing it though.

agreed

fixes i think they really need are

kabal:
- fix his shitty damage scaling
- make his ex buzzsaws a reset trap or juggle
- make his ex tornado slam a rebound
kano:
- fix his shitty damage scaling
- fix some of his chains (like double dragon, pointless)
- make ex choke way more damage or a juggle
- make his reg ball input the mkvsdc one

id also like for jax's d,u-4 ex version to be a rebound and make his ground slam a little faster

but these are just wishes

btw it would be great if people would stop whoring fast characters but oh well it makes it easier for me to win

I really liked how you refute my analysis with a flat blanket statement with no data. Small wonder why this place has such a shit reputation for anything other than rampant ignorant fanboyism.

I've been playing jax since day one online and off, and I have had almost no luck with truly aggresive rush down play. Not the way it can be done with Johnny Cage and Nightwolf and some other characters where it comes pretty naturally. If you have some tips I'd love to hear them.

Jax has neither safe strings or specials and no big damage mid screen combos. I get my wins by punishing overzealous opponents, and catching opponents sleeping. He can certainly do a lot of damage in the corner, but EVERYBODY can do a lot of damage in the corner so its not really a character perk.

I think a lot of people are voting him and many others off the island because they are not spam friendly and they can't put together huge 40% combos off any hit. You may not be able to beat Perfect Legend or LIJoe with Sheeva but "top players don't use them" is the dumbest reason you could ever give for why a character sucks.

I know that you were responding to someone else, but I would like to clarify my statement on Jax's buff--I think Jax has a ton of potential, and I think with a damage buff, or shaving some startup frames off of the ground pound could make him a serious contender. There are some characters that just flat out suck, but Jax is not one of them. He's also a ton of fun to play as, everyone should give him a try.

I guess to summarize--Jax is fine as is, and can mix it up with most of the characters on the roster, but I would have loved to see one of the described buffs for him because I think he could give the Ermacs, Kung Laos, Raidens, and Cyraxs a run for their money in the tourneys

By the way, Fenix, thanks for sharing your gameplay analysis.

Just popping in here so far what I gather is minor damage scaling has been stealth patched.

Major nerfs are coming later. Correct?

Current confirmed status of Kung Lao, Raiden, and Ermac (characters I feel need nerfing)?

Kung Lao has indeed been nerfed. Dunno bout the other two.

^ I posted pics earlier in the thread