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07/19/2011 07:38 PM (UTC)
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NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
Geyser Kick: 12% anti air, enhanced is 16% and hits a total of 3 times.

Jet Spray: 8% attack with pushback, enhanced is 12%.

Lightning Summon: 3% with very high pop-up, enhanced is 8% with 3 hits and the same effect.

Bubble: Normal does no damage, but allows you to juggle enemy. Enhanced does 2% damage

Roundhouse: 7% and knocks opponent off side of screen, enhanced does 11%

H20 powerup: Increases hit power but disables blocking. Enhanced causes armour effect.


Thanks, mate!
Does the enhanced Roundhouse also have Super Armo(u)r?
They showed that in the reveal... maybe they changed it?

So I guess *none* of his EX moves drain a bar of Super?
I was really hoping the Bubble would... it's useful for preventing Combo Breaks, and Rain is a Combo Machine grin
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SystemSCSnake
07/19/2011 07:41 PM (UTC)
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So, In the next patch I have to say that they need to make H20 Boost sustainable even if hit. It's really annoying.
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mkwhopper
07/19/2011 07:45 PM (UTC)
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NoobSaibot5 Wrote:
Geyser Kick: 12% anti air, enhanced is 16% and hits a total of 3 times.

Jet Spray: 8% attack with pushback, enhanced is 12%.

Lightning Summon: 3% with very high pop-up, enhanced is 8% with 3 hits and the same effect.

Bubble: Normal does no damage, but allows you to juggle enemy. Enhanced does 2% damage

Roundhouse: 7% and knocks opponent off side of screen, enhanced does 11%

H20 powerup: Increases hit power but disables blocking. Enhanced causes armour effect.

Thanks bro
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07/19/2011 07:46 PM (UTC)
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drpvfx Wrote:
NoobSaibot5 Wrote:

Timing is crucial with this character. Still figuring out how best to use his enhanced moves.


As it was in Trilogy grin

What are the differences in his Enhanced moves?
Esp. the Water Jet, Geyser Kick, and Water Bubble
keyara412 Wrote:
dam...so he still isn't out for psn??...i have 360 but still...that's not kool...why do they have to alternate which platform they disadvantage with every DLC release??

No fucking joke! They could have at *least* had it go the other way! wink
(Skarlet and Rain fan)


Oh I know what he was like in Trilogy, he was one of my mains and I'll be the first to vouch for how necessary timing was for him back then. But wait till you see him in this game, he's easily one of the most timing orientated characters in the game, and that's coming from someone who's been maining Mileena online (and Mileena is incredibly punishable, so careful timing is a must with her).

You almost need to pay constant attention to him when your playing as him this time around, which can be a bit of a pain because your more focused on the character and the timing in his moves than you are on the opponent. He's also the type of warrior who's moves you'd need to know meticulously, how quick and how slow they all are, before you can dare to string combo's together. He's got very few quick hit combo's that are easy to pull off and only one high-low combo. He's not designed with Newbs in mind, he'd be ideal for a player who's goin from intermediate difficulty to expert that knows how to work the juggle system.

From messing around with him in the practice mode I can see a mile off he's got some interesting potential, but he's a double edged sword. You get a character who's timing can make him both awesome and incredibly risky. Up against a decent player who can use a quick fighter like Kitana or Kung Lao and Rain wouldn't stand a chance. And that's coming from one of his longest fans, IMO Sub-Zero actually has better defense and (dare I say) practical combo opportunities than Rain does.
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mkwhopper
07/19/2011 07:56 PM (UTC)
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@NoobSaibot5 I'm still getting him regardless
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07/19/2011 07:57 PM (UTC)
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Thanks for such a detailed analysis, man!

I kind of thought he might be like this,
but the way you're talking has me worried he might be even more tricky than I imagined him to be!

Well, I still *love* him, and going from what you say,
he's a great character to practice advanced techniques with smile

SystemSCSnake Wrote:
So, In the next patch I have to say that they need to make H20 Boost sustainable even if hit. It's really annoying.

Wait, you lose the buff when hit?!
LAME.
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khanswarrior15
07/19/2011 08:00 PM (UTC)
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Rain is fine;

He's rather clunky, but he's fine.

Even if you're facing quicker characters -- DAT TELEPORT.

This is the 3rd time that I'm going to emphasize it:

Rain's teleport is godly.
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RubberChickenMan
07/19/2011 08:05 PM (UTC)
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this is taking way too long
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mkwhopper
07/19/2011 08:07 PM (UTC)
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RubberChickenMan Wrote:
this is taking way too long

Pacific Time: 2-4
Eastern Time: 4-6
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07/19/2011 08:13 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:
RubberChickenMan Wrote:
this is taking way too long

Pacific Time: 2-4
Eastern Time: 4-6


Im in Kuwait and its 11:15 pm at the moments

but I have an American psn account and use American psn cards.
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moneyguy
07/19/2011 08:14 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:
RubberChickenMan Wrote:
this is taking way too long

Pacific Time: 2-4
Eastern Time: 4-6


4:16 here ....
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mkwhopper
07/19/2011 08:15 PM (UTC)
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RubberChickenMan Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
RubberChickenMan Wrote:
this is taking way too long

Pacific Time: 2-4
Eastern Time: 4-6


Im in Kuwait and its 11:15 pm at the moments

but I have an American psn account and use American psn cards.

That's pretty clever
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Kitana_MK9
07/19/2011 08:16 PM (UTC)
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Rain is up on the psn people, downloading him as we speak.
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RubberChickenMan
07/19/2011 08:20 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:
RubberChickenMan Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
RubberChickenMan Wrote:
this is taking way too long

Pacific Time: 2-4
Eastern Time: 4-6


Im in Kuwait and its 11:15 pm at the moments

but I have an American psn account and use American psn cards.

That's pretty clever


well most games sold here are american.
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drpvfx
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07/19/2011 08:22 PM (UTC)
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DOWNLOADING HIM NOW!!! (PSN) grin
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07/19/2011 08:28 PM (UTC)
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drpvfx Wrote:
SystemSCSnake Wrote:
So, In the next patch I have to say that they need to make H20 Boost sustainable even if hit. It's really annoying.

Wait, you lose the buff when hit?!
LAME.


It's the same for Quan Chi's Skeletal Boost. wink
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07/19/2011 09:28 PM (UTC)
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OMG... RAIN IS *BACK*, BABY!!!

(and so is MKO wink )

More detailed analysis to come.
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PhoenixWinterborn
07/19/2011 09:29 PM (UTC)
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Gotta admit, i've only been playing him for about 10-15 minutes and i can already tell he's gonna be my new main. question though. Is anyone else having trouble timing his bubble into the roundhouse?
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RubberChickenMan
07/19/2011 09:34 PM (UTC)
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weird

why are his secret fatality, stage fatality and babality unlocked from the beginning?
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mkwhopper
07/19/2011 09:36 PM (UTC)
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RubberChickenMan Wrote:
weird

why are his secret fatality, stage fatality and babality unlocked from the beginning?

Yepgrin The combos are HARD
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07/19/2011 10:00 PM (UTC)
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Not a Rain fan but since there's a main thread about him, I figured I'll post my two cents.

I kinda like him. He's not that bad, it's just that, I think, if you're planning on using him just for his Specials, don't bother. They kinda suck. The only good ones is the Lightning Strike and the Super Kick.
I personally don't know how to work WITH the water bubble thing, I never could in UMK3.
And the water blast move he does is just ridiculous looking, it's effective but it's hard to believe that actually has pressure.
And I find the Gyser (sp?) Kick to be pointless though.

The majority of his good standard combos just ends up with him knocking the opponent away from him, which is not good when you're an aggressive player like me. But immediately I knew that you have to cancel them to make Rain work. And when he works, his combos look amazing!
It's nuts how you can get away with so much if the opponent doesn't Kombo Breaker. If you were ever impressed by Ermac's TK combos, the combos I discovered with Rain would probably make you go "Fuck Ermac".

Every time I do the Super Kick, the sound effect it makes almost make me grin.

I feel that he has a little hint of Ermac in him because of the Lightning Strike, since it bounces the person in the air for a free hit. And his X-Ray kinda feels like Ermac's X-Ray too.
And speaking of X-Ray, lol you can do a few more hits after that since he Super Kicks them.

I personally hope you Rain fans are happy.
And if you're not a person to do combos with characters, seriously, LEARN HIS COMBOS. The man is a monster if you can connect them.
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07/19/2011 10:23 PM (UTC)
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Some notes:

I *love* his ending!
Glad I didn't spoil it grin

He is not slow, per se, but he has some slow recoveries.

His moves are indeed weaker than most, without the H20 Boost.
I wish he didn't have that move and were just a smidge stronger tongue

Geyser Kick is a very fun and useful addition to Rain's Repertoire:
It's a *much* flashier way to end a combo than an uppercut wink

His X-Ray may be bland on its own, but it is arguably the best X-Ray in the game, and the easiest to combo into and out of. I'm just putting that out there.

Like the other DLC characters, he has two *great* fatalities (but the bubble wins, no queston!)

They dropped the ball on his Babality. Oh well.

Is it just me, or does his Super Meter rise faster than other characters?

Also, I can't shake the feeling that Water Jet move is a nod to He-Who-Shall-Not-Be-Named (pink dude from SF)-
how embarrassing is it to be defeated by a spray of water?!

Most importantly, he has pretty much all the same linked-Special combos.
so I can catch them with Lightning, Bubble them over, Roundhouse their ass, then uppercut! Or, Bubble, Lightning, Roundhouse, Geyser Kick
(insert your own extra pokes where necessary) grin

All-in-all, he's not an easy character to master,
but *very*, very capable in experienced hands.
I can't wait to Train with Rain until I can pull off massive combos like Noobsaibot5 wink

YAAAAY!!!!
I iz happy and satisfied.
My Prince is the top-notch fighter he should be!

phoenixwarrior Wrote:
question though. Is anyone else having trouble timing his bubble into the roundhouse?

Yep, I am too. Not sure if it's possible. You *can* hit with the lightning first and follow with the Roundhouse (as long as you haven't already used the lightning).
WeaponTheory Wrote:

I feel that he has a little hint of Ermac in him because of the Lightning Strike, since it bounces the person in the air for a free hit.

Yeah, I thought that back in MKT. But I like the Lightning better, since you can see its hitbox wink
And yes, I am *very* happy, as a Rain fan.
I wasn't hoping for the most user-friendly character of the bunch,
I was hoping for someone with flashy combos straight outta MKT, and that's more or less what I got (and BETTER!) grin
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07/19/2011 10:35 PM (UTC)
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What I dont get is why the team decided to give characters like Scorpion combos that you can perform by pressing one button three times and for characters that weren't used by fans in the past like Rain and Sheeva (who obviously needed their popularity raised) they give 1,2,forward 4/1,2, back 1/back2, 1+2 combos!! Daaaamn!
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07/19/2011 10:50 PM (UTC)
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Also, somewhat predictably, his P2 color looks nicer, with more saturated purples and blues (look at his vest design).

Why can't we select these colors like the other characters?!
It's not fair! :'-(

(still totally happy about Rain!)
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NoobSaibot5
07/19/2011 10:55 PM (UTC)
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projectzero00 Wrote:
What I dont get is why the team decided to give characters like Scorpion combos that you can perform by pressing one button three times and for characters that weren't used by fans in the past like Rain and Sheeva (who obviously needed their popularity raised) they give 1,2,forward 4/1,2, back 1/back2, 1+2 combos!! Daaaamn!


Thought to be fair, some of my favourite characters to play as throughout the years I'm still getting used to now. Mileena has become my best fighter, Kitana being a very close second, but to me both girls are totally unexplored in regards to potential. In past games I could pull off combo's with those two that would make very short work of my opponents in a matter of seconds. While I'm getting better with both of them, the fighting system in this game is an open field in my eyes.

You can pick up any character and with enough dedication pull off combo's that other players never even imagined possible. My point is, that even the likes of Rain and Sheeva have excellent potential, but you need to get the feel of the character first. I'm sure I'll get used to Rain's playstyle, but there's literally a list of characters I've wanted to master before him. Though proficient as Kitana and Mileena, I want to be a master as them, the best I can possibly be. After that, I've Jade, Sub-Zero, Ermac, Smoke, Reptile, Sonya and Johnny Cage to master, then Skarlet and Rain. I'll most likely be playing this game for years! lol
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