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06/16/2010 03:58 PM (UTC)
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Just a question I had, but, doesn't this whole thing seem like cheating? I mean, Shao Kahn has been breaking the rules of MK since who knows how long, but now Raiden is going to as well? Basically, this means that at any time, if Raiden feels that his side isn't doing well, he can send a message to himself and try to rewrite things from the beginning? Instead of losing where he should, he just does this little trick to ensure the good guys win? So the bad guys technically cannot win now that we know Raiden can do this, can they?


The message is sent by Armageddon Raiden, who is "dark" and thus less likely to give a damn about the rules, and he might have gotten more powers from Taven's ending.

So this probably isn't something regular Raiden can or would do. He's just going to use the message's information because what would YOU do if you got a note from your future self that said "The end of the world happened. Don't let it this time"?
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06/16/2010 03:58 PM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
Just a question I had, but, doesn't this whole thing seem like cheating? I mean, Shao Kahn has been breaking the rules of MK since who knows how long, but now Raiden is going to as well? Basically, this means that at any time, if Raiden feels that his side isn't doing well, he can send a message to himself and try to rewrite things from the beginning? Instead of losing where he should, he just does this little trick to ensure the good guys win? So the bad guys technically cannot win now that we know Raiden can do this, can they?


Not really, since apparently he's trying to prevent the deaths of not just himself and his heroes but also all the villains that surely died as a result of Armageddon too. Armageddon was based on the One Being theory basically and had nothing to do with the Mortal Kombat tournament itself, so it's hardly cheating.
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06/16/2010 04:00 PM (UTC)
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Skaven13 Wrote:
Just a question I had, but, doesn't this whole thing seem like cheating? I mean, Shao Kahn has been breaking the rules of MK since who knows how long, but now Raiden is going to as well? Basically, this means that at any time, if Raiden feels that his side isn't doing well, he can send a message to himself and try to rewrite things from the beginning? Instead of losing where he should, he just does this little trick to ensure the good guys win? So the bad guys technically cannot win now that we know Raiden can do this, can they?


lol. Good question. I'm assuming there's an actual reason that Raiden would be able to do what he will do, and not something he could do at will, otherwise he could just do whatever he wanted.
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06/16/2010 04:10 PM (UTC)
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As far as the storyline for this game goes, I don't really mind it as long as there aren't too many drastic changes for the characters' developments. I mean I'd love to see some characters that we don't see that often fleshed out but I don't wanna see Sub-Zero or whoever become a homicidal maniac you know? The events can be slightly altered, but I hope the characters we know and love aren't too far off from what they were in the first place. The characters that need the development and can benefit from the changes of the story...I'd be fine with some alterations (i.e. characters like Stryker imo).

So which leads me to this topic right here. I really hope it's just a random example Ed Boon just blurted out for the sake of what types of things that they could do with this story. I like the characters that are most likely going to be in the game to virtually stay the same as they were before. That's how I want to play them as. I'd like Noob to stay the same shadowy ninja, Sub-Zero to stay the same ice ninja, etc.

So hopefully we won't see any drastic changes with our characters unless they're the types of changes that improve/develop the character.

If the developers of this game are thinking about doing this, hopefully they read these posts and decide not to. Keep Cyrax, Smoke, and Sektor as the only cyborgs please smile
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06/16/2010 04:10 PM (UTC)
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I just hope Raiden doesn't forget the time where he was hanging up a picture of him and Shao Kahn when they were kids, and he slipped off the chair and bumped his head on his bathroom sink. That's when he came up with the idea for the flux capacitor, which is what makes time travel possible.
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06/16/2010 04:15 PM (UTC)
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Hmm...

If Raiden pulls the warriors out of MK1, I foresee the following domino effect:

-Shao Kahn invades early.
-Sindel is not resurrected (no need). If she's back, perhaps it is Raiden who resurrects her, with her proper memories intact - maybe it's Sindel who brings Kitana about, this time.

-As Sub-Zero I is a very capable warrior, it makes sense that Raiden would want him on his side. In this new reality, he'd probably be mong Raiden's chosen. So if he's pulled out of MK1, he doesn't die at Scorpion's hands right away. To boot, the invasion happens earlier, and Sub-Zero II does not even get a chance to depart to find out what happened to him, and is present when the Lin Kuei begin automating themselves. ANy number of variables could occur here...only thing is that this pre-empts the existence of Noob Saibot unless Sub's fated to die at Scorpion's hand anyway.


The more I think about this, the more exciting the possibilities become. I'm convinced now that Kang does not win MK1.
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06/16/2010 04:24 PM (UTC)
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Hmm...
The more I think about this, the more exciting the possibilities become. I'm convinced now that Kang does not win MK1.


YAY!



AWESOME!

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Cage always wins, and in MK u will be Caged!

06/16/2010 04:40 PM (UTC)
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blackcyborg Wrote:
LycaniLLusion Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Seriously, though. Only the Lin Kuei makes Cyberninjas and only Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke, and the two Sub-Zeroes/Noob are Lin Kuei. So there's not a lot of ways you can take "someone else will become a cyberninja" and they're all horrible ideas.

Technically the Lin Kuei are not the only ones to make cyberninjas/cyborgs. The Special Forces do aswell...al la Jax for example. Also,I don't know much on the topic of Kano but you could consider him a cyborg so whomever made his face cybernetic could also play a role in who becomes a cyborg...I am just going to say the Black Dragon Clan to substitute that thought. Also,I was thinking...would Kabal be considered a cyborg?

Kabal uses a respirator or breathing apiratus or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that quite counts as a cyborg. That's like saying someone who uses an air tank while diving is a cyborg. At least that's how I see it. Some consider any form of machinery helping you live is considered as qualifying as a cyborg. It's kind of a fine line I would guess.

I guess you have a point...but technically Kabal would be a good choice to become a cyborg logically. In the post before this I forgot about Motaro...his tail was cybernetic right? Don't ask me the origins of that but he is and should be considered a cyborg too.



Well considering the new story and the way things might go with the time travel and changing events we might actually see Kabal with the respirator and mask so more then likely we might see his actual face before any of Shao Kahns excution squads attacked him
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06/16/2010 04:41 PM (UTC)
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We already saw Kabal without scars. In Shaolin Monks. But let us pretend we didn't for obvious reasons. Especially his accent.



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Cage always wins, and in MK u will be Caged!

06/16/2010 04:43 PM (UTC)
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We already saw Kabal without scars. In Shaolin Monks. But let us pretend we didn't for obvious reasons. Especially his accent.





Yeah true lol if we actually see him without the mask and everything I hope they make him alot more awesome then MKSM
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06/16/2010 05:00 PM (UTC)
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Perhaps Kabal will be evil now, involved with the Black Dragon, and Sonya or Jax scars him???
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06/16/2010 05:11 PM (UTC)
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Shadaloo Wrote:
Hmm...

If Raiden pulls the warriors out of MK1, I foresee the following domino effect:

-Shao Kahn invades early.
-Sindel is not resurrected (no need). If she's back, perhaps it is Raiden who resurrects her, with her proper memories intact - maybe it's Sindel who brings Kitana about, this time.

-As Sub-Zero I is a very capable warrior, it makes sense that Raiden would want him on his side. In this new reality, he'd probably be mong Raiden's chosen. So if he's pulled out of MK1, he doesn't die at Scorpion's hands right away. To boot, the invasion happens earlier, and Sub-Zero II does not even get a chance to depart to find out what happened to him, and is present when the Lin Kuei begin automating themselves. ANy number of variables could occur here...only thing is that this pre-empts the existence of Noob Saibot unless Sub's fated to die at Scorpion's hand anyway.


The more I think about this, the more exciting the possibilities become. I'm convinced now that Kang does not win MK1.


That theory could very well happen. But if not Kang, then who? Kung Lao? Raiden? Sub-Zero? Johnny Cage? There's so many ways you could go and so much potential. Too good.

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Cage always wins, and in MK u will be Caged!

06/16/2010 05:18 PM (UTC)
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Perhaps Kabal will be evil now, involved with the Black Dragon, and Sonya or Jax scars him???


possibly but look at it like this his been evil dude except in MK3 when he was actually good and decided to go against Shao Kahn. This Kabal could be good even after the events cause Raiden might be able to warn him of the coming events and for warning him Kabal might side with the good guys to thank raiden I would like to see Kabal as a good guy but of course his been neutral as well throughtout his story being loyal only to his Black dragon clan
I would love to see Noob as a cyber ninja.
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06/16/2010 05:37 PM (UTC)
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Well so far you're pretty alone in feeling that way.

Noob Saibot is such a cool character because he's got this grim reaper-like shadow-demon look to him and because his backstory pays off the events of MK Mythologies, where Older Subbie is told he's evil and when he dies, he's gonna end up serving Quan Chi and it totally comes true when Scorpion kills him.

If Noob is a cyborg this time, then not only does Scorpion not get his revenge, which is bad for Scorpion's story, but none of that cool backstory is there. He's just "The robot who used to be Sub-Zero". AND an all-black cyborg will look way less interesting than an all-black ninja.

And if younger Subbie is the one turned into a robot, that basically ruins both Sub-Zeroes because the game has to have a playable Sub-Zero in it, so now the older one will never die, but it's the younger one who's the most popular and a better character. He's the one with the heroic personality and plus people like the scar and are always asking about the scar.
People hated Liu as a zombie. People hated Reptile as a giant iguana. People were split 50/50 on Dark Raiden. Every time the team changes a character's nature, people want things to go back the way they were. There's no good reason to change Noob or Sub-Zero or to turn ANYONE who's not a cyborg into a cyborg.

Making cyborg versions of regular characters is the kind of crap uncreative MUGEN programmers do, it's not the sort of thing the actual MK team should be indulging.
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06/16/2010 05:47 PM (UTC)
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Maybe the Lin Kuei will rescue a nearly-dead Mileena and turned into a pink cyber-assassin, and her quote will be "bite my metal ass bitch!"

Seriously, probably it's a random example, or maybe during the "(Re-telling) History Mode" our actions can bring us to one "what if..." way or another during the mode.
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06/16/2010 06:24 PM (UTC)
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Didn't they do this in MK Conquest? Where Raiden goes back in time and sets events in a different way to save everyone?


I think you're thinking of a certain fan-fiction or two based off of the Mortal Kombat: Conquest TV show. Unless there was something in one of the game Konquests that I miss (very likely, since I never did finish them all).

Anyways, I don't know if anyone brought this up yet or not and I after the 4th page I just got tired of reading. If there is some people who have not been cybers previously might become cyborgs in the new time-line will there be a chance of a female cyborg? Since Sonya was not in the video, could she become one? What about Kitana since in the first and a half games she was in the service of Kahn and Shang, who did have the Lin Kuei as an ally/employee at the time. If Frost got recruited earlier, maybe her?

BTW the whole time travel/reset thing might work, if done right. To be honest, I was kinda hope for a reboot starting from the MK1 game anyways. This time travel twist just ties it in to the original story.
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Well so far you're pretty alone in feeling that way.

Noob Saibot is such a cool character because he's got this grim reaper-like shadow-demon look to him and because his backstory pays off the events of MK Mythologies, where Older Subbie is told he's evil and when he dies, he's gonna end up serving Quan Chi and it totally comes true when Scorpion kills him.

If Noob is a cyborg this time, then not only does Scorpion not get his revenge, which is bad for Scorpion's story, but none of that cool backstory is there. He's just "The robot who used to be Sub-Zero". AND an all-black cyborg will look way less interesting than an all-black ninja.


And if younger Subbie is the one turned into a robot, that basically ruins both Sub-Zeroes because the game has to have a playable Sub-Zero in it, so now the older one will never die, but it's the younger one who's the most popular and a better character. He's the one with the heroic personality and plus people like the scar and are always asking about the scar.
People hated Liu as a zombie. People hated Reptile as a giant iguana. People were split 50/50 on Dark Raiden. Every time the team changes a character's nature, people want things to go back the way they were. There's no good reason to change Noob or Sub-Zero or to turn ANYONE who's not a cyborg into a cyborg.

Making cyborg versions of regular characters is the kind of crap uncreative MUGEN programmers do, it's not the sort of thing the actual MK team should be indulging.
You have a lot of good points... and you got me to chance my mind. He should stay a ninja.
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06/16/2010 06:35 PM (UTC)
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Maybe the Lin Kuei will rescue a nearly-dead Mileena and turned into a pink cyber-assassin, and her quote will be "bite my metal ass bitch!"




Pure awesome genius right there.
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06/16/2010 06:46 PM (UTC)
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The story seems interesting now that we know that it's some time rift alternate universe thing... I prefer this than a complete retelling of the original games, and it could work like how the new Star Trek movie did...
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06/16/2010 06:48 PM (UTC)
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LadyRaiden Wrote:
What about Kitana since in the first and a half games she was in the service of Kahn and Shang, who did have the Lin Kuei as an ally/employee at the time.

The Lin Kuei never worked for Shao Kahn or Shang Tsung. They....oh, what's the point? Raiden mind fucked the past. They probably do serve Kahn now.

Maybe this time, Mileena will kill Kitana and Kitana will be resurrected as a cyborg?! Maybe Liu Kang will lose, but Shang Tsung will do a heel/face turn at the critical moment?! Maybe Noob Saibot will be made out of jam?!

The possibilities are endless..!
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06/16/2010 07:53 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
LadyRaiden Wrote:
What about Kitana since in the first and a half games she was in the service of Kahn and Shang, who did have the Lin Kuei as an ally/employee at the time.

The Lin Kuei never worked for Shao Kahn or Shang Tsung. They....oh, what's the point? Raiden mind fucked the past. They probably do serve Kahn now.

Maybe this time, Mileena will kill Kitana and Kitana will be resurrected as a cyborg?! Maybe Liu Kang will lose, but Shang Tsung will do a heel/face turn at the critical moment?! Maybe Noob Saibot will be made out of jam?!

The possibilities are endless..!


Oops...sorry getting game story canon mixed up with MK media stories. *shrugs* Maybe the Lin Kuei decide to kidnap and experiment with cyber technology on their foes rather than their own minions first. This would lead to almost any character becoming a cyborg. Even though it wouldn't need to be the Lin Kuei to create cyborgs, but they seem to be the ones most likely to do so.
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06/16/2010 08:26 PM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:

Maybe this time, Mileena will kill Kitana and Kitana will be resurrected as a cyborg?! Maybe Liu Kang will lose, but Shang Tsung will do a heel/face turn at the critical moment?! Maybe Noob Saibot will be made out of jam?!



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06/17/2010 01:08 AM (UTC)
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LadyRaiden Wrote:
Maybe the Lin Kuei decide to kidnap and experiment with cyber technology on their foes rather than their own minions first. This would lead to almost any character becoming a cyborg. Even though it wouldn't need to be the Lin Kuei to create cyborgs, but they seem to be the ones most likely to do so.

I've thought about that as well. Why not make it another character? People seem to like tragic characters like Smoke, so why not do it to someone else?
lol, imagine Liu Kang being the newest member of the Lin Kuei's cyborg division.
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06/17/2010 01:19 AM (UTC)
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Apocalypse27 Wrote:

That theory could very well happen. But if not Kang, then who? Kung Lao? Raiden? Sub-Zero? Johnny Cage? There's so many ways you could go and so much potential. Too good.



My guess is Goro, as Shang wanted. If earth loses MK, Outworld invades. Pretty sure this is what happens here.

The major factor that leads me to believe this is, well, the simultaneous presence of the cast and backgrounds spanning over three different games. Fighting games typically cover events lasting over a period of a few days. Having backgrounds like MK1 Shang's hall around during the same timeframe as the MK3 backgrounds, where buildings can be seen burning as the invasion takes place, allows for this. This game condenses MK1-3's events into a week or so, is my guess.

(I mulled this over when considering how the hell endings were going to work when we're covering three seperate games. Guessing people's endings will cover the aftermath of the invasion.)
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