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SubxZero
05/06/2011 12:44 AM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote:
We have:

Kitana: white
Mileena: white, I guess
Jade: Who the heck knows
Tanya: black
Sindel: white
Kira: white
Sareena: white
Sonya: white as the driven snow
Skarlet: white
Sheeva: Uhhh... ? Not asian whatever she is.
Frost: white
Nitara: white
Ashrah: white
Li Mei: possibly asian, given that name, though she doesn't look it.

I think MK needs a real asian female. I wish they would have made Jade more noticeably asian, as that would both accomplish the goal and clear up the ambiguity of her race once and for all, but I'd settle for a new DLC character.


Look what you caused with this, I predicted something like this would happen. This thread will likely be closed soon, wouldn't want race wars/racism to appear :S
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05/06/2011 12:50 AM (UTC)
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SubxZero Wrote:
unseenwombat Wrote:
We have:

Kitana: white
Mileena: white, I guess
Jade: Who the heck knows
Tanya: black
Sindel: white
Kira: white
Sareena: white
Sonya: white as the driven snow
Skarlet: white
Sheeva: Uhhh... ? Not asian whatever she is.
Frost: white
Nitara: white
Ashrah: white
Li Mei: possibly asian, given that name, though she doesn't look it.

I think MK needs a real asian female. I wish they would have made Jade more noticeably asian, as that would both accomplish the goal and clear up the ambiguity of her race once and for all, but I'd settle for a new DLC character.


Look what you caused with this, I predicted something like this would happen. This thread will likely be closed soon, wouldn't want race wars/racism to appear :S


That list is off. I've said this in a couple other threads, but Kitana and Mileena were originally portrayed by a hispanic woman in MK2. Kitana has hispanic features in MKG.
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ZeroSymbolic7188
05/06/2011 12:57 AM (UTC)
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Heres something interesting that I notices.

Kitana, has been portrayed as white, asian, and hispanic.

Jade has been portrayed as asian, filipina, and latina.

Both characters are Edenian in MK lore, perhaps ladies of Edenia can alter their looks?

Why not?
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05/06/2011 03:05 AM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote:
Speaking of which, how long does it take for one species, isolated from the main group, to become a separate species? twice as long? 5, 10, 20 times as long?


Whatever it is, it seems to me that the difference between speciation and uh, raciation, is just a difference in time. Which makes it very definitely a biological phenomenon, contrary to what the "studies" say. Though maybe I'm just misunderstanding it.


*Waits for hateriot to come in and accuse me of calling other races a separate species.*

But like I said, even if race is just a social construct, the game is made by and for social people. So why shouldn't we have such social constructs in the game? And why is asking for them "racist?"

If I say I'd like to have a construction worker character with a hardhat, overalls and an orange safety vest (To be part of my Village People tag team roster lol), does that make me an "occupationist," because I want him to wear the clothes that are typical of one in his position? Hell no, and neither does asking for an asian character with typical (not stereotypical) features make me a racist.

And if adder and hateriot can't understand that, then I don't know what to say to you anymore. Go ahead and think what you will.


Well I don't think your racsit if that helps.

Now if you're interested at all in the topic of evolution and race I recomend reading "Race reconciled?: How biological anthropologists view human variation" by Heather J. H. Edgar and Kieth Hunley. That is if you can find it
online for free. Hunley was actually a professor of mine and completley changed how I view race and the entire idea of evolution.

Now I'd be careful about equating race and occupation. Occupation is a job and does require a certain attire in order to complete that job. But race isn't something you sign up for. While you may need certain tools in order to be a construction worker, but you don't necissarily have to have certain features in orer to be Asian.
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DarkKard4
05/06/2011 03:15 AM (UTC)
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http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/8/87209/1539907-ashrah_bio_large.png

Ashrah KIND OF looks asian even though shes really a demon from the Netherealm.

There is not alot of earthrealm females if you think about it. Only Sonya, Kira, and Frost.

Kira was found in Afghanistan so i'm guessing shes either american or just plain middle eastern.
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Jethy
05/06/2011 09:39 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:
Jethy Wrote:
Hatetriot Wrote:
Jethy Wrote:
Grow up, who cares what race the character you're playing as is?
it's kind of pathetic


Who cares about the personalities and motivations of a character you are playing as?
It's kind of pathetic.


I wonder what that has to do with the colour of your character's skin.


Potentially nothing, potentially a whole hell of a lot. Depends on the character and the world they're in.


I don't see how the colour of a character's skin could change a character's personality, so no it doesn't have anything to do with it.
You could make Johnny cage asian and he'd still be the same Johnny cage, you could make Mileena black but she'd still be the same mileena, so yeah... i don't get what the fuss about skincolour is anyway, and i'm too lazy to read through 11pages to just read all the points people are making.. so bleh
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05/06/2011 11:03 AM (UTC)
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I always assumed that Sindel, Kitana, and Mileena were Asian (or at least Asian inspired). They look more like that than white, to me.
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unseenwombat
05/06/2011 12:51 PM (UTC)
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skyboy Wrote:
hmmm, If your daughter is half asian, than she is asian. This isn't Imitation of Life. I'm black and mexican, if someone asks if I'm one or the other, I say "yeah, and I'm also _____". Mixed isn't a race or an ethnicity
No, she's not. She's half asian. Or if you want to just say she's asian, you HAVE to also say she's caucasian, because she's just as much that as she is the other. You may be half black, but are you an accurate representation of what most full blacks look like? Of course not. Are you an accurate representation of full mexicans? I'm sure you're not. Now I'm not saying we can't have a half black/half mexican character in the game, but please don't ask NRS to just say, Yeah, he's mexican, and never say a word about him being black too. Same with an asian character. If she's half asian, fine, but tell us so.

Now it's not wrong to have mixed characters, but it doesn't really accomplish the goal of having an identifiable character that people of a certain race can relate to, or that people not of that race, like me, who just want to play as a character with that look can identify.
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That list is off. I've said this in a couple other threads, but Kitana and Mileena were originally portrayed by a hispanic woman in MK2. Kitana has hispanic features in MKG.
Yeah, maybe a little. Kitana could also pass for asian IMO. Mileena just looks like a monster. The problem is the characters look so bad in MKG it's kinda hard to tell. I guess the renders are a little better though.

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Well I don't think your racsit if that helps.
Thanks. I think now most people didn't in the thread, and Hate riot was just trollin'.

Now if you're interested at all in the topic of evolution and race I recomend reading "Race reconciled?: How biological anthropologists view human variation" by Heather J. H. Edgar and Kieth Hunley. That is if you can find it
online for free. Hunley was actually a professor of mine and completley changed how I view race and the entire idea of evolution.
While it's probably fascinating, I doubt I'll get around to it. Maybe you can give me a synopsis of it. Specifically, how am I wrong in saying changes in race due to geographical separation and environment are only different from speciation in the extent of the changes and the amount of time involved?

Now I'd be careful about equating race and occupation. Occupation is a job and does require a certain attire in order to complete that job. But race isn't something you sign up for. While you may need certain tools in order to be a construction worker, but you don't necissarily have to have certain features in orer to be Asian.
I don't think it's that far off of an analogy. What difference does it make whether the person wearing the clothing/possessing the traits of [whatever] occupation/race takes them on deliberately or has them forced upon him/her? They're still a part of that person's look.

Okay, if it makes you feel better, suppose I wanted a fighter with Down's Syndrome. All people with that handicap have a very distinctive look. Then suppose NRS said, Oh, didn't you know? Jax has Downs. You and everyone else and his brother, cousins and uncles would be saying, "WTF, no he doesn't!" If you have a fighter with Downs, he HAS to have that (forgive me) dopey look on his face. Similarly, if you have an asian fighter, she HAS to look the part too. (See the description of Asian morphology in one of my posts above). Sure, there may be real life asians that don't look that way, but they're either 1. actually mixed with another race and therefore only PART asian, or 2. such an unusual creature that they're hardly an accurate representation of what a large percentage of people of that race look like.

Jethy Wrote:
I don't see how the colour of a character's skin could change a character's personality, so no it doesn't have anything to do with it.
You could make Johnny cage asian and he'd still be the same Johnny cage, you could make Mileena black but she'd still be the same mileena, so yeah... i don't get what the fuss about skincolour is anyway, and i'm too lazy to read through 11pages to just read all the points people are making.. so bleh
First of all, there's a lot more to race than a person's skin color. Secondly, no, Johnny Cage wouldn't be the same if he were asian. You might be able to give him the same lines and attitude, but it would seem... off... to see an asian character acting the way he does.
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ZeroSymbolic7188
05/06/2011 03:19 PM (UTC)
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Race Matters in MK:

NIghtwolf wouldnt be the same if he wasnt a native.
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DarkKard4
05/06/2011 05:28 PM (UTC)
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I never thought the op was racist. Just a very disgruntled weeaboo who is overreacting. No asian girls in MK(according to you)? Too bad. Li Mei not being asian enough for you? Too bad. Go play tekken if you want to play asian girls so much.

MK isn't suppose to be representative of all races like SF and Tekken. And it just seems you are trolling now.
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unseenwombat
05/06/2011 05:33 PM (UTC)
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DarkKard4 Wrote:
I never thought the op was racist. Just a very disgruntled weeaboo who is overreacting. No asian girls in MK(according to you)? Too bad. Li Mei not being asian enough for you? Too bad. Go play tekken if you want to play asian girls so much.

MK isn't suppose to be representative of all races like SF and Tekken. And it just seems you are trolling now.
How could my posts possibly be construed as trolling? I've tried to have an intelligent discussion when people weren't being a**holes accusing me of being racist or to just stop caring about it like you just did.

Unless you're trolling right now, which is exactly what I think you're doing.

Also, I agree SF is representative of all races because the characters' nationalities are supposed to be an integral part of the story. But in Tekken they're just as secondary to the main story as they are in MK. So learn your fighting games before you come giving me advice.
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Hatetriot
05/06/2011 09:57 PM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote: I've tried to have an intelligent discussion when people weren't being a**holes accusing me of being racist or to just stop caring about it like you just did.



Discussion? That's what this was? It looks more like eleven pages of "I am right and you are wrong" to me.

Your rigid views of race and social identity are disgusting and bigoted to say the least.
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ironman993
04/27/2012 07:57 PM (UTC)
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What about Skarlet?

What does she look closer to? Asian? Latino?
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Jaded-Raven
04/27/2012 08:01 PM (UTC)
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ironman993 Wrote:
What about Skarlet?

What does she look closer to? Asian? Latino?


She is neither. She is a creation of blood to appear like the Edenian women.
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ironman993
04/27/2012 08:05 PM (UTC)
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I know that, I was asking if you compared to "real-world" races, what would she be.
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LucaTurilli
04/27/2012 08:56 PM (UTC)
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Jade: Edenian

Kitana: Edenian

Mileena: Edenian/Tarkatan

Tanya: Edenian

Sonya: White

Ashrah: Demon

Li Mei: Demon

Skarlet: Mutt

Kira: White

Li Mei: Outworlder

Frost: Asian

Nitara: Vampire

Khameleon: Saurian


There's your real list.
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Harle
04/27/2012 09:04 PM (UTC)
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But... But.... Sheeeeeevaaaaa..... sad

Sorry ol' girl, looks like you didn't make his list.
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FrostMK
04/27/2012 09:24 PM (UTC)
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Frost and Li Mei are both asian.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
04/27/2012 09:31 PM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:
Jade: Edenian

Kitana: Edenian

Mileena: Edenian/Tarkatan

Tanya: Edenian

Sonya: White

Ashrah: Demon

Li Mei: Demon

Skarlet: Mutt

Kira: White

Li Mei: Outworlder

Frost: Asian

Nitara: Vampire

Khameleon: Saurian


There's your real list.


So Li Mei is a demon AND an outsider? Just kidding I'm assuming you meant to say Sareena is the demon.
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Rockchalk5477
04/27/2012 10:01 PM (UTC)
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Frost and Li Mei are both asian.

Li Mei is from Outworld.
Asia is not in Outworld.

Ergo, Li Mei is not Asian. However, she, like many other Outworlders, appears like some Asians.
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Zmoke
04/27/2012 11:03 PM (UTC)
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Everyone – or the most of us – is aware of their fictional locations I'm sure. Yet, we can discuss about it in the sense of "Whom would you choose to play Jade?". In this globalized world, it's also certain that all the western countries have races of basically every area, excluding Australia maybe who's been considered as "the White Australia" up until the 1970's.

Ashrah looks Asian to me, if you want to put it that way (if somebody were to play as her). But differentiating people racially in the first place is ugly. The white people are too much praised, when every race is supposed to be equal. People who praise, instead of treating equally, individuals just because their race originates from Europe, Zimbabwe, Korea, Uruguay, Macao, Venezuela or Australia are guilty to racism as well because that breaks the "balance". With all moderation of course. Blame Hollywood.
Racism talk aside, a Siberian or a Korean actor could very well play Ashrah. Asians can be "white" as well: from Asia, at least Kazakhstan and Siberia (Russia) can have "white" people and countries like the Koreas and Japan have logically pale people too for their northern situations.
Why hasn't anyone at least provided a map of Asia for observation? Let me guess... They'll earn no DP's of it, realizing it's not worth the effort, leaving it to me for once (no, the map's not obligatory). I'm not blaming anyone in particular here though. The map below doesn't include the area names like Indochina or Mideast but it's still a pretty decent map. Observe.
Map of Asia: Click for an enlarged edition.
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Jaded-Raven
04/28/2012 12:22 AM (UTC)
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I generally think it is tasteless to try and fit MK characters into boxes of which "race" they might be due to their skin colour. They are the race they are set to be, human, Edenian, Outworldian etc etc, nothing else matters. That Li Mei might have an Asian inspired name and has Asian features doesn't matter, because she is Outworldian and Outworld just so happens to have a Feudal Japan inspired theme, because that was the way the designers wanted it to be like. That doesn't make Li Mei any more Asian.
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RazorsEdge701
04/28/2012 12:43 AM (UTC)
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Describing characters who aren't from Earth by race is just a handy shorthand for describing the shape of their facial features and color of their skin.
Of course, there's the trouble with some characters that the developers keep changing their faces. For instance, in MK2 and vsDCU, Kitana has big round bug eyes. In MK Gold and Deadly Alliance, she's based on Talisa Soto and so has Latina-esque features like almond-shaped eyes and thick lips, and in MK9 there's something Michael Jackson-y going on with the lower half of her face.
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MortalMushroom
04/28/2012 03:33 AM (UTC)
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To be honest I can't tell the difference unless the difference is huge.
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PorkandBeans
04/29/2012 04:30 PM (UTC)
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Some of you guys seem to confuse the fact that race does NOT equal nationality
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