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Jaded-Raven
05/22/2014 09:03 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:

He hasn't been in a major MK game. Just because he's "established" doesn't mean he's had a chance.


mkwhopper Wrote:

What about MK9 Vita?


It doesn't matter whether or not he's been in a major game. His current appearances are bad, imo. I don't care if he COULD be good, I only care about how he is NOW.
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mkwhopper
05/22/2014 09:04 PM (UTC)
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DarkKard4 Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
Welp, he was close to being in MKT. But instead, Boon like the troll he is, decides to stick him into a shitty game

Good job.


again, there is no source to back this claim of "almost being MK Trilogy"...


martin_m95 Wrote:

The OP might as well just rename this threat to "Tremor for MKX, yes or no".
Cuz all I see now are people arguing about that sad excuse of a character.


well thats what happens when you include a non-canon side game character in a "Top 10 Returning Fighters" list when said character was never even part of MK4-MKA but is expected to return >_>

Tremor being put in over the likes of Jarek? Least Jarek was actually in 2 main MK games

and with ppl bringing up that hes likely for DLC. again, need i remind that Skarlet was the least sold DLC?? they'd be dumb to use another new face/character ppl don't know as DLC.... they want DLC that will sell well.

sure, a resounding 36 ppl on a forum know his existence and are willing to buy him but thats not nearly enough to warrant it.

Scroll down until you see Tremor's name.

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:

He hasn't been in a major MK game. Just because he's "established" doesn't mean he's had a chance.


mkwhopper Wrote:

What about MK9 Vita?


It doesn't matter whether or not he's been in a major game. His current appearances are bad, imo. I don't care if he COULD be good, I only care about how he is NOW.
I was being sarcastic. He was nothing but a cameo like Meat
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KungLaodoesntsuck
05/22/2014 09:09 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:

He hasn't been in a major MK game. Just because he's "established" doesn't mean he's had a chance.


mkwhopper Wrote:

What about MK9 Vita?


It doesn't matter whether or not he's been in a major game. His current appearances are bad, imo. I don't care if he COULD be good, I only care about how he is NOW.


Actually it does matter. It's completely unfair to judge Tremor on one appearance from a shitty non-canon game. Or a nod in a challenge tower mission for the Vita. Those don't count for shit. Until he's actually been playable in a major MK game, should he actually be judged for being a good or bad character. You know, when he's been given a chance to suck or be a good character?
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Jaded-Raven
05/22/2014 09:09 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:

I was being sarcastic. He was nothing but a cameo like Meat


I know, but there were still a point to it. He WAS in the vita version, even if only as a cameo.
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:

He hasn't been in a major MK game. Just because he's "established" doesn't mean he's had a chance.


mkwhopper Wrote:

What about MK9 Vita?


It doesn't matter whether or not he's been in a major game. His current appearances are bad, imo. I don't care if he COULD be good, I only care about how he is NOW.


Actually it does matter. It's completely unfair to judge Tremor on one appearance from a shitty non-canon. Or a nod in a challenge tower mission for the Vita. Those don't count for shit. Until he's actually been playable in a major MK game, should he actually be judged for being a good or bad character. You know, when he's been given a chance to suck or be a good character?

No, it's not unfair. I judge Tremor on how his character is in all his appearances. Actually, that's the most fair thing to do.
What you care about is what could have been... Judging on something that intangible is nonsensical.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
05/22/2014 09:19 PM (UTC)
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I'm not judging Tremor at all. That's the point. I'm saying he COULD be awesome. Or he COULD suck ass. But I'm saying he should at least be given the CHANCE to be good or shitty. You're not bringing anything to this argument. You say you could be "surprised", but aren't willing to give Tremor that opportunity.

You see the problem?
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DarkKard4
05/22/2014 09:27 PM (UTC)
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This website doesn't even have a source or proof to back up their claims.

just as i suspected. There is no proof of this and the whole "Tremor was almost put in MK Trilogy" is just a fake fan-fueled rumor without any merit.

No doubt that this rumor came after he debuted in MK SF.
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Jaded-Raven
05/22/2014 09:27 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
I'm not judging Tremor at all. That's the point. I'm saying he COULD be awesome. Or he COULD suck ass. But I'm saying he should at least be given the CHANCE to be good or shitty. You're not bringing anything to this argument. You say you could be "surprised", but aren't willing to give Tremor that opportunity.

You see the problem?


The only problem I see is that people who defend Tremor say that his current appearances "don't count", just because they were shitty.

No, he hasn't been a playable character in the main games, and I am NOT judging him on an intangible idea of him being one. I am not saying that he would be sucky as a playable character in a main game. I just don't have much faith in it, due to his past appearances being bad.

And because I don't have that faith, I am not willing to grant him a vote for being in a main game, HOWEVER, I can change my mind if NRS DO put him in a main game and if he will indeed be amazing.

It's alright if you want to give him a chance, I just don't. If you can't respect that, that is your choice and your problem.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
05/22/2014 09:36 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
The only problem I see is that people who defend Tremor say that his current appearances "don't count", just because they were shitty.

No, he hasn't been a playable character in the main games, and I am NOT judging him on an intangible idea of him being one. I am not saying that he would be sucky as a playable character in a main game. I just don't have much faith in it, due to his past appearances being bad.

And because I don't have that faith, I am not willing to grant him a vote for being in a main game, HOWEVER, I can change my mind if NRS DO put him in a main game and if he will indeed be amazing.

It's alright if you want to give him a chance, I just don't. If you can't respect that, that is your choice and your problem.


They don't count because they haven't given Tremor a chance to really be a character. If he was DLC in MK10, I guarantee he'd have more of a chance to actually be a character. Even if he has no dialogue or cool story, at least people could like his design or playstyle.

I think it's a bit close minded to assume Tremor will suck based on his previous track record. Look at Stryker, if NRS can make him cool and likeable they can do anything at this point. I respect your stance, just don't agree with it.
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mkwhopper
05/22/2014 09:49 PM (UTC)
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DarkKard4 Wrote:


This website doesn't even have a source or proof to back up their claims.

just as i suspected. There is no proof of this and the whole "Tremor was almost put in MK Trilogy" is just a fake fan-fueled rumor without any merit.

No doubt that this rumor came after he debuted in MK SF.

Whatever helps you sleep at night
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Jaded-Raven
05/22/2014 09:51 PM (UTC)
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:

I think it's a bit close minded to assume Tremor will suck based on his previous track record.


And that's exactly what I'm saying I'm NOT doing. I don't assume anything!
Skarlet sold the least? That's a shame.

Well if dlc fighters are still a possibility and NRS is really smart they'll probably avoid doing a new character and use the one that gave them the most sales and apply that for all future dlc kombatants.

And that was....
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
shitty guest fighter NuFreddy Krueger.


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mkwhopper
05/22/2014 09:55 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven
05/22/2014 09:57 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:
No fighting


That defeats the purpose of Mortal Kombat then, as it is a fighting game... without the fighting, it would just be... game.
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KungLaodoesntsuck
05/22/2014 09:57 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:

I think it's a bit close minded to assume Tremor will suck based on his previous track record.


And that's exactly what I'm saying I'm NOT doing. I don't assume anything!


You said you don't have high hopes. Which is understandable but at least be open to the idea.
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DarkKard4
05/22/2014 09:59 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:
DarkKard4 Wrote:


This website doesn't even have a source or proof to back up their claims.

just as i suspected. There is no proof of this and the whole "Tremor was almost put in MK Trilogy" is just a fake fan-fueled rumor without any merit.

No doubt that this rumor came after he debuted in MK SF.

Whatever helps you sleep at night


" it is RUMORED that Tremor was at one point supposed to appear in the game. "

lol and you yet again link me to a fansite. Such credible information... not! Clearly you believe everything you read on the internet. So i won't waste my time further.

I mean has anyone from the MK team come forward and confirmed the "Rain switched bios with Tremor" claims? For all we know. that was always Rain's bio and it simply changed in the future games,

Its clear the "Tremor almost made it in MK Trilogy" are made-up rumor from fans.
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mkwhopper
05/22/2014 10:11 PM (UTC)
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DarkKard4 Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
DarkKard4 Wrote:


This website doesn't even have a source or proof to back up their claims.

just as i suspected. There is no proof of this and the whole "Tremor was almost put in MK Trilogy" is just a fake fan-fueled rumor without any merit.

No doubt that this rumor came after he debuted in MK SF.

Whatever helps you sleep at night


" it is RUMORED that Tremor was at one point supposed to appear in the game. "

lol and you yet again link me to a fansite. Such credible information... not! Clearly you believe everything you read on the internet. So i won't waste my time further.

I mean has anyone from the MK team come forward and confirmed the "Rain switched bios with Tremor" claims? For all we know. that was always Rain's bio and it simply changed in the future games,

Its clear the "Tremor almost made it in MK Trilogy" are made-up rumor from fans.

Better than nothing >.> Making a big deal over some small shit like this Jesus Christ chill. And no I don't so don't post like you know me.

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
No fighting


That defeats the purpose of Mortal Kombat then, as it is a fighting game... without the fighting, it would just be... game.
I hope you're joking .-.
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Jaded-Raven
05/22/2014 10:25 PM (UTC)
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mkwhopper Wrote:

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
No fighting


That defeats the purpose of Mortal Kombat then, as it is a fighting game... without the fighting, it would just be... game.

I hope you're joking .-.


;P
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mkwhopper
05/22/2014 10:41 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:

Jaded-Raven Wrote:
mkwhopper Wrote:
No fighting


That defeats the purpose of Mortal Kombat then, as it is a fighting game... without the fighting, it would just be... game.

I hope you're joking .-.


;P

Just makin sure bish c;
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RedSumac
05/22/2014 11:04 PM (UTC)
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I am not fan of Tremor, but even I can say that there are lot of Double Standarts going on here.

So, Tremor currently is just another clone-character from spin-off game and port of the MK9. OK. What make him so different from Rain or Skarlet prior to MKA and MK9? Or Noob and Jade prior to UMK3? What is there to say, that Tremor couldn't become something more, than he is right now?

The fact that he was not in any fighting MK game prior? Big deal. Of course, if you build the whole argument solely on this, than I can say I smell an OCD here. Familliar thing to me, but even I am not really against his inclusion in the game as long as he will turn out to be a decent character with interesting gameplay. If you have personal dislike of the character...well, it is still shouldn't blind you to reality, that many of fan favorites in MK had very simple beginings as clones and rumors. And see where are they now.
I thought Rain was an absolute joke when I first came on here and then come the time of DLC hype my feelings were "eh fuck it he was in the old umk3 games sort of, throw him in too since his fanbase is getting a little nuts"

But his gameplay in 9 really turned me around. He's less a joke and one of the the more fun characters to play especially when it comes to ninjas (looking at you Scorp-Zero).

And who's to say that can't happen for Tremor? Or even Chameleon as much as I bag on him.

Or maybe even K......Kh...Khameleon.

Semi-related but I went and looked up old concepts of the ps2 fighters like Blaze, Taven, Dairou and Darrius and a lot of them end up having way better concept art/ideas than what they ended up using.

Like what the hell?
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Jaded-Raven
05/23/2014 12:04 AM (UTC)
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Ion3008 Wrote:

And who's to say that can't happen for Tremor?


Until that happens, I'm not convinced. I'd rather NRS focuses on the already established characters of the main games, as alot of them could use a boost to reach their full potential.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Ion3008 Wrote:

And who's to say that can't happen for Tremor?


Until that happens, I'm not convinced. I'd rather NRS focuses on the already established characters of the main games, as alot of them could use a boost to reach their full potential.


Yeah, I agree with you there.
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LiteBulb_
05/23/2014 12:56 AM (UTC)
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Alright, can we stop going back and forth with Jaded-Raven? He/She is clearly pretty steadfast on his/her opinion on Tremor, which is totally respectable. This thread shouldn't be a 7-page argument about JR's opinion. JR doesn't give a shit about Tremor similar to how I don't give a shit about Scorpion. It's fine. We'll still all go on to love and enjoy MK10.

I'm not even sure why Tremor is on this "comeback" list when he hasn't even "came" yet, unless I missed the cannon game he was a part of...which I haven't. That's the real flaw. Someone actually relevant like Havik or Li Mei should be in his spot. It would have made the past 7 pages more enjoyable to grind through.

As for my 2 cents on Tremor: I welcome him. I think NRS could make him a cool, new character to the series much like Skarlet and Rain. I tend to be intrigued by the birth of these mythical, joke characters more so than the established characters. Skarlet is the most enthralling female in MK9, with her blood abilities and what not. I've always thought all of the ninjas are overrated, except Rain. He's the only one I can tolerate and actually get into. I love that he's purple. I love that he's an Edenian Prince. I've totally forgotten that he was the butt of a Prince joke, which is a pretty neat backstory anyway.

Bring on Tremor. If they treat his design with the same passion they showed Skarlet, Rain and even Stryker's reintroduction, Tremor might just surpass Rain as being my most tolerated ninja. He's brown. He's an Earth manipulator. He will quite literally rock shit. That's worthy of mega cool points, in my book.
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mkwhopper
05/23/2014 01:02 AM (UTC)
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As long as Mokap, Hsu Hao and Drahmin are not included i'm peachy.
LiteBulb_ Wrote:

I'm not sure why Tremor is even on this "comeback" list when he hasn't even "came" yet


Hahaha...Sorry.

Anyway JR's being more than civil about it as well as those who disagree with him so what's the big deal about a little back and forth discussion? As long as people are talking about it and being respectful towards one another.
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