Discussing All Things Jade [Original thread title: What Race Is Jade?]
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Discussing All Things Jade [Original thread title: What Race Is Jade?]
01/25/2013 11:41 PM EST
Jade started out black, but now she is just slightly tanned. What is the Kommunity's view on that?

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/26/2013 07:49 AM EST
Same as Michael Jackson? tongue

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/26/2013 10:12 AM EST
Well 9's the only game with the wrong color, 2, 3, and Deception she's consistently dark.

And she's only tan in promo art, she looks pretty brown in the in-game graphics.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/26/2013 04:42 PM EST
She's not black; she's not even human.

She's Edenian, and just so happens to be dark-skinned.

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/27/2013 01:17 AM EST
Riyakou Wrote:
She's not black; she's not even human.

She's Edenian, and just so happens to be dark-skinned.


True. But given how dark she is, at least in the games that're consistent to one another, and the fact that she's also been portrayed with thick lips in the two games she's seen unmasked in, an Earth-based shorthand can sometimes come in handy.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/27/2013 02:49 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
She's not black; she's not even human.

She's Edenian, and just so happens to be dark-skinned.


True. But given how dark she is, at least in the games that're consistent to one another, and the fact that she's also been portrayed with thick lips in the two games she's seen unmasked in, an Earth-based shorthand can sometimes come in handy.


Of course, Jade is considered black through visual context, just as Li Mei is considered Asian.

However, when you consider that the MK universe goes far beyond human identity (most of the MK characters are not even from Earthrealm), it would be best not to use a visual context.

With that, the only MK characters that can be considered black are Jax, Cyrax, and Kai.

Also, considering both Jade and Tanya are Edenian, one could assume it is common for Edenians to have dark skin.

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/27/2013 05:37 PM EST
Riyakou Wrote:
Also, considering both Jade and Tanya are Edenian, one could assume it is common for Edenians to have dark skin.


Weel Sindel, Jerrod, Delia, Taven, Daegon, Rain, and sometimes Kitana look caucasian. (Kitana looks latina/has a face based on Talisa Soto in MK4-thru-Armageddon)

So "common" is perhaps not the best word choice. Better to simply state that Edenia has multiple ethnicities with similar traits to Earth's.
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01/27/2013 07:14 PM EST
This argument again?

I'm convinced that Jade has the ability to change skin tones because the creators keep losing track of the color name they give for the skin tone.

"No, no, it's Kit-Kat Tan!"
"No, that wasn't the name, it's Chocolatey Delicious!"
"No, people, I have the right color, it's Shit!"
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/27/2013 08:04 PM EST
She's Black. Tanya's Black. Kitana only looks good as a Latina. (especially in MKDA)
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01/28/2013 06:59 AM EST
In the interest of possibly getting the people who always go "she's not Black, that's an Earth thing and she's from Edenia" to stop using that obnoxiously nitpicky argument, I have to point out the following:

"Black" is not really an ethnicity of its own, black is JUST a description of skin color. It's used to describe not just Africans, but Latin-Americans, South-Americans, Middle-Easterners, and tons of mixed-race individuals.

People say the historically accurate version of Jesus would have been black all the time and that dude was from Israel.

Hell, did you know Bishop from the X-Men, one of the few famous black guys in comics, is actually of Aborigine descent? That's a native-Australian ethnicity.

So it's not actually wrong to call an Edenian "black" if her skin is dark brown. We're referring to her color, not what she friggin' marks herself as on a census.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/28/2013 04:37 PM EST
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In the interest of possibly getting the people who always go "she's not Black, that's an Earth thing and she's from Edenia" to stop using that obnoxiously nitpicky argument, I have to point out the following:

"Black" is not really an ethnicity of its own, black is JUST a description of skin color. It's used to describe not just Africans, but Latin-Americans, South-Americans, Middle-Easterners, and tons of mixed-race individuals.

People say the historically accurate version of Jesus would have been black all the time and that dude was from Israel.

Hell, did you know Bishop from the X-Men, one of the few famous black guys in comics, is actually of Aborigine descent? That's a native-Australian ethnicity.

So it's not actually wrong to call an Edenian "black" if her skin is dark brown. We're referring to her color, not what she friggin' marks herself as on a census.

Tell 'em like it is!
I think that her Jade being Black adds a lot to differ her from Kitana, it adds more personality to her than just another ninja chick.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/28/2013 07:04 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
In the interest of possibly getting the people who always go "she's not Black, that's an Earth thing and she's from Edenia" to stop using that obnoxiously nitpicky argument, I have to point out the following:

"Black" is not really an ethnicity of its own, black is JUST a description of skin color. It's used to describe not just Africans, but Latin-Americans, South-Americans, Middle-Easterners, and tons of mixed-race individuals.

People say the historically accurate version of Jesus would have been black all the time and that dude was from Israel.

Hell, did you know Bishop from the X-Men, one of the few famous black guys in comics, is actually of Aborigine descent? That's a native-Australian ethnicity.

So it's not actually wrong to call an Edenian "black" if her skin is dark brown. We're referring to her color, not what she friggin' marks herself as on a census.


Don't be technical, be realistic.

The question was in regards to race, not skin color, and any time the words "black" or "white" is used in such a sense, it is meant to identify race, not merely skin color.

Your argument holds no weight, because the subject still stands; it's race.

With that, Jade is not black, she is a dark-skinned Edenian.



If you truly want to stand on your statement, look at Li Mei and Bo' Rai Cho and honestly tell me they are Asian.

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/28/2013 07:47 PM EST
Right now you are being a "that guy".

It is inadvisable to ever be "that guy". Hence the phrase "don't be that guy".
In fact, y'know what? I'm just gonna say it straight:
The "Jade's not black, she's Edenian" argument is not socially-acceptable material, it pretty much should be considered trolling because of the way it ruins any topic it's posted in. It's meaningless pedantics that bog down and derail a conversation every single time it's used. It's a surefire way to ruin threads and a person using that argument should KNOW they're not being clever or any more or less accurate than the next guy, or proving anything, they're just...dropping a fucking BOMB on the thread. And doing a pretty good impression of that Aspergers guy from The Big Bang Theory.
Jade has dark brown skin. Black people are people who have dark brown skin. Black is NOT a race of its own, it's genuinely IS a descriptor of skintone that applies to people of MANY fucking races. The only reason you can't say Li Mei and Bo' Rai Cho "are Asian" or "are Oriental" is because Asia and the Orient are a location, not a color. That distinction is NOT TRUE of the term "black person". I don't go around calling Eddy Gordo an "African-American" either, because he's from fucking Brazil, but I do call him a god damned black guy. We could call them "Yellow" or "Slant-eyed" if you like but those are slurs, people find them insulting. Now quit nitpicking based on a definition that exists only in your own head.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
01/28/2013 09:18 PM EST
Oh god, not this damn topic AGAIN. Someone please close it, but not before i say this:

daryui Wrote:
She's Black. Tanya's Black. Kitana only looks good as a Latina. (especially in MKDA)


Kitana looks more like Lara fucking Croft than latina in MKDA
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01/28/2013 09:20 PM EST
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Kitana looks more like Lara fucking Croft than latina in MKDA


Which Lara? Her face changes more often than an MK character's does.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/02/2013 06:40 AM EST
Her skin sometimes looks black sometimes she looks mixed race or simply Caucasian with a tan.

She has green eyes, can black women have green eyes I don't know?

her UMK3 character select Icon i think it looks like she has African American hair, but it hasn't been seen since.

She looks white in most promotional stuff though...renders, statues etc.

Tdlr: Not even Jade knows what she is, but does it matter? Shes consistently beautiful regardless of race.

Thanks to MINION for taking my Siginity!
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/03/2013 01:21 PM EST
The question is "What race is Jade?" Jade is Edenian, and that's it. It should not be argued upon, considering there is only ONE variation of pure Edenian.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/03/2013 10:23 PM EST
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there is only ONE variation of pure Edenian.


But that's not true.

Kitana is "pure Edenian" as well, her mother is Edenian and her father is Edenian, and clearly no one in that family looks the same as Jade or Tanya.

That's like saying there's only one race of Earthling. The word "race" has two potential meanings: "species" and "ethnicity".

If you mean species, well obviously Edenia has animals, so the humanoids aren't the only Edenian race. Now...this one right here? This one is SUPER fucking nitpicky, because obviously the topic creator meant the second one, ethnicity.

If you mean ethnicity, Jade and Tanya are clearly a different race from Kitana and Sindel, and possibly even a different race from each other, depending on what the ethnicities of Edenia ARE.

For instance, as I already pointed out, "African" is a different ethnicity from "Middle-Eastern", and yet a member of EITHER can be considered "black" because "black" is about skin color. (Also note that Egypt is in Africa, yet people sometimes consider it part of the middle east or an ethnicity of its own. Consider the following question: What was Cleopatra?) I have literally known a black guy who gets MAD when people act like "black" means "African-American" because his family isn't from Africa.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/04/2013 12:22 AM EST
Okay, bad wording.
There definately IS more than 1 Edenian race. What I should compare this to is humans:
as there is only one variation of human, their looks do not turn them into a different species, but do result in massive distinct differences. Pure Edenians (i.e.' Edenians with full humanoid shape and such (with exceptions, like Rain) are not different species based on their skin color. Jade is a pure Edenian. That is her race, her species, and story.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/04/2013 12:24 AM EST
legoslayer10 Wrote:
Okay, bad wording.
There definately IS more than 1 Edenian race. What I should compare this to is humans:
as there is only one variation of human, their looks do not turn them into a different species, but do result in massive distinct differences. Pure Edenians (i.e.' Edenians with full humanoid shape and such (with exceptions, like Rain) are not different species based on their skin color. Jade is a pure Edenian. That is her race, her species, and story.


Now you've got a problem because animals from Earth are "Earthlings", but they're not "humans". We have separate words for homo-sapien. But there's only one word for creatures from Edenia.

A man from Edenia is Edenian. A horse from Edenia is Edenian. And then there was the cartoon, where Edenia was also home to a species of people with eagle-heads, lol. (Mind you, this was back before the creators decided in Deadly Alliance that Edenia was a realm conquered and merged with Outworld, and not the true name of Outworld before Kahn ruled it. So back in the MK1 thru 4 era, Shokans, Centaurs, and Tarkatans could also have been called "Edenians".)

Using race to mean species is inherently flawed for the purposes of a conversation like this one, and as I already said, this whole train of thought is ridiculously fucking nitpicky. Species is clearly not what the topic creator wants to talk about, he asked about ethnicity, and he asked because her skin color is different from the skin color of other people from her planet, about because it was inconsistent in MK9 compared to previous games in the series, and maybe also because it was completely different in the movie Annihilation, I've seen a lot of users still for some reason be confused by that even though the movies aren't canon, or like to joke about it.
Come to think of it...now I'm wondering. What do you CALL men and women from other realms? Do Li Mei and Bo' Rai Cho count as "Human", or are they a different species from us? Are they "Outworlders", or "Humans from Outworld"? Cuz they and Edenians are biologically exactly the same as Humans from Earth except for the fact that Bo' and Edenians live a really long time (Speaking of which, was is the deal with Bo's age? Is that unique to him or do all Outworld humans live real long? Aren't Edenians supposed to be the only race that lives for thousands of years? They came up with a reason WHY Edenians live really long in Rain's MKA bio, the gods crossbred with their ancestors. But Outworlders don't have a reason.
...Then again, one wonders, Outworld and Edenia were merged for ten thousand years, that's a LOT of time for the populations to interbreed. How many Outworlders are part-Edenian? When the realms were UN-merged after MK3, did the Edenian population get sucked back into their own realm magically, or did they all have to physically walk to portals and repopulate Edenia? If they were sucked away, which seems the more likely option given how at the end of MK3, when the merger ends, everyone is just automatically sent back home, then a lot of families must've gotten separated from one another, yeah? Did the half-Edenians go to Edenia too, or get left behind? If you're half-Outworlder, half-Edenian, and there's an MK tournament between Outworld and Edenia, can you fight for whichever side you want?)
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/04/2013 02:12 PM EST
For Christ's sake...

Jade is Edenian. That's how she is identified. Why can't we be content with just that?

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/04/2013 05:12 PM EST
Riyakou Wrote:
For Christ's sake...

Jade is Edenian. That's how she is identified. Why can't we be content with just that?


I'm content with this, I actually find this to be more of a suitable answer out of all. (As well as me believing that the creators can't remember/lost what color they had for Jade)

I guess some people here likes to make a mountain out of an ant hill over things that clearly has no major significance. I mean Jade can be whatever people want her to be, black, white, Asian, doesn't matter. I mean people still sit here and say that Frost is Sub-Zero's long lost sister, so we can't always be correct.

To make a long story short, no one is right and no one is wrong, Jade is whatever people want her to be and there's nothing wrong with that.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/04/2013 07:30 PM EST
You, again, are correct, my friend.
Razor, you have an answer for everything.
Yes, saying a horse from Edenia is Edenian is correct. Saying a horse from Earthrealm is an Earthling is correct. That does not make the horse human or what we I will refer to as H-Edenians (Humanoid Edenians).
But the question of species, being answered that Jade is an H-Edenian, leaves the question of ethnicity.
But Edenians have no specific ethnicity. There is no Africa or Australia in Edenia. We have no specific continents here. So, by that logic, there is no ethnicity in Edenia.

Now, I'm asssuming that since Edenians have massive lifespans (Sindel appearing only middle aged at age 40,000, Kitana is 10,000.) that not many people interbred, especially considering that the Edenians probably hated the Ouworlders for their master taking control of them. But, I could easily be wrong.

And yeah, people are too nitpicky about this.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/04/2013 07:53 PM EST
Riyakou Wrote:
Jade is Edenian. That's how she is identified. Why can't we be content with just that?


Because in a visually-driven medium, appearances are important and some people want to talk about them and all you're doing is trying to stifle that conversation and make it go away.

legoslayer10 Wrote:
But Edenians have no specific ethnicity. There is no Africa or Australia in Edenia. We have no specific continents here.


It's a good thing words like "black", "white", and "tan" describe skin color rather than location of origin then, isn't it?
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
02/05/2013 07:19 AM EST
A bit off topic, but... I knew about Kitana being 10 000 years old, but from where is the info that Sindel is 40 000 years old?