Discussing All Things Jade [Original thread title: What Race Is Jade?]
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 09:42 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
That's untrue fairly frequently.

Fairly frequently = rarely, in reality. ~Z

And ironically, you haven't once had any concrete factual or canonical data to present in your "Rain's mom could be royalty" argument and repeatedly outright ignored several pieces of hard evidence provided by both me and Icebaby.
No one can ever trust you or believe that your motives for arguing are in defense of the truth if you constantly deny the actual truth because you're incapable of recognizing and owning up to it when you're proven to be in error.

As Mick pointed out; post that in the Rain thread then. I laugh at you.

If you think I can be proven to be in error, prove it. Truth is, Jade's a Brown Edenian. She is Black too, but I prefer the community's voice over yours. Jade truly is a human being, as already pointed out here. That is all.
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Get it back on topic.

You do realize that part of the dispute has been over "what IS the thread even about in the first place", right?
You do realize that you have to respect Mick's order? Get back on topic. Admin: Don't push it. -M.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 09:48 AM EST
Zmoke Wrote:
Truth is, Jade's a Brown Edenian. She is Black too, but I prefer the community's voice over yours.


FIVE people is not "the community", it's just a fraction of it.

And those five people voted for "Edenian-Mixed", not "Brown Edenian", which means they voted for a term that's being used wrong because we don't know what Jade's parents look like or what ethnicity they are so there's no possible way we can call her mixed.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 09:57 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Truth is, Jade's a Brown Edenian. She is Black too, but I prefer the community's voice over yours.

FIVE people is not the community.
And those five people voted for "Edenian-Mixed", not "Brown Edenian", which means they voted for a term that's being used wrong because we don't know what Jade's parents look like or what ethnicity they are so there's no possible way we can call her mixed.

Neither is 13 people, but that's past the point. Jade is also a tan Edenian, but I don't call him that. The poll took a lot of time and since you stated that the activity on MKO is " nearly dead", you can't even expect high amounts for that because it was not even advertised in the front page or anything.

It is not a wrong analysis, we don't even need to know Jade's parents. As a matter of fact, all Edenians are mixed (god X man). But the point is that, as fuzzdork stated, Jade is not a full-on Negroid or anything but something between those main races. Now, did you admit that Jade is a human for example? I didn't see that. Talk about admitting – talk about hypocrisy.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 10:12 AM EST
Zmoke Wrote:
The poll took a lot of time


Creating it clearly didn't take much time, because my point all along has been that the options in the poll are FLAWED.

Now that the poll is over, you're telling everyone that "Brown" won, but "Brown" wasn't even a goddamn option, "mixed" was.

And you can't call a person mixed if you can't prove that they come from two different colors or races.

On the other hand, there IS proof in this world that fullblooded Negroids DO come in the color that Jade is in MK9, and to claim otherwise, to claim that she can't be "anything but something in between those main races", is stereotyping because it's making the assumption that all "Negroid" people look the same, or at least the same color, which just isn't true.

Zmoke Wrote:
Now, did you admit that Jade is a human for example? I didn't see that.


That's because I didn't participate in answering when the subject came up. In this thread, that issue is just an irrelevant side-tangent that makes posts longer than they need to be. Edenians are certainly biologically similar to human beings, but whether or not humans from Earth and human-like people from the other realms are the same race or just look that way is not a question that can be answered with any certainty in Mortal Kombat canon. (Take, for example, Bo' Rai Cho. An Outworlder who seems the same as a human in every way except lifespan, and he doesn't have the excuse of interbreeding with gods that Edenians have to explain it)

What is certain is that Jade's ancestors weren't born on Earth, so terms that refer to human ethnic origins don't apply to her. For the purpose of scientific accuracy, no, Jade is not a "human being". The best I can do as far as naming her species is "Edenian".
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 10:31 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
The poll took a lot of time

Creating it clearly didn't take much time, because my point all along has been that the options in the poll are FLAWED.
Now that the poll is over, you're telling everyone that "Brown" won, but "Brown" wasn't even a goddamn option, "mixed" was.

You fail to understand. Making the poll didn't take a lot of time, but for a poll it was on for an exceptional amount of time before conclusions, frankly.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
And you can't call a person mixed if you can't prove that they come from two different colors or races.
On the other hand, there IS proof in this world that fullblooded Negroids DO come in the color that Jade is in MK9, and to claim otherwise, to claim that she can't be "anything but something in between those main races", is stereotyping because it's making assumptions that they're all the same.

As I already stated, Jade is a human with a god's blood. The color is not all, especially considering that 1) Jade has green eyes, 2) her hair is not curly and 3) her facial characteristics do not match with a full-on Negroid.
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Zmoke Wrote:
Now, did you admit that Jade is a human for example? I didn't see that.

That's because I didn't participate in answering when the subject came up. In this thread, that issue is just an irrelevant side-tangent that makes posts longer than they need to be. Edenians are certainly biologically similar to human beings, but whether or not humans from Earth and human-like people from the other realms are the same race or just look that way is not a question that can be answered with any certainty in Mortal Kombat canon. (Take, for example, Bo' Rai Cho. An Outworlder who seems the same as a human in every way except lifespan, and he doesn't have the excuse of interbreeding with gods that Edenians have to explain it)
What is certain is that Jade's ancestors weren't born on Earth, so terms that refer to human ethnic origins don't apply to her.
You have no excuse to say that "this is creating a side-tangent" because I am solely talking about Jade, and this topic is exactly about her. I call that fear of failure on your behalf. Your lack of participation is no excuse for you have undoubtedly read this topic through already. Your example of Bo' Rai Cho is moronic because even we Earthlings can top the issues of aging one day, yet we'll still be humans. The place of birth of the ancestors is no excuse because we don't even know where the Earthrealmers came from, it could very well be Edenia. Earthrealm was originally inhabitated by Zaterrans. Terms that refer to human ethnic origins most certainly apply to Jade. Now you are proving that you fail to admit stuff yourself. Read the page with a mention of Star Wars people again. There's a Iink to it above.
This is why I do this "sensory overload" stuff: Because things have to be explained deliberately and so many times to you, RE701, until you get it. That's why I highlight things, as opposed to your all caps raging method.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 10:51 AM EST
Zmoke Wrote:
You fail to understand. Making the poll didn't take a lot of time, but for a poll it was on for an exceptional amount of time before conclusions, frankly.


No, I understood what you meant perfectly. I'm saying that how long you let it go for before tallying up the results is irrelevant because since you rushed its creation and weren't more thoughtful about what you called the poll options, the poll is worthless.

"Mixed" won but is an invalid choice because it's a descriptor of parentage, not appearance.
And you still can't go around saying brown won when brown wasn't one of the options.

Zmoke Wrote:
Jade is a human with a god's blood.


That was not what you meant when you put "mixed" in the poll.

Zmoke Wrote:
Jade has green eyes, 2) her hair is not curly and 3) her facial characteristics do not match with a full-on Negroid.


You're doing it again, you're stereotyping a REAL WORLD group of people who DON'T all look the same by insisting that they do. You're being blatantly, offensively racist.

The ONLY one of those three traits you're actually right about not applying to Earth Negroids is the green eyes, but you DON'T KNOW whether or not green eyes are a trait that comes naturally to the closest Edenian EQUIVALENT to Negroids.

Since you don't know what the traits of Edenian ethnicities are, you can't say having green eyes proves Jade is a mix of two ethnicities.

Zmoke Wrote:
You have no excuse to say that "this is creating a side-tangent" because I am solely talking about Jade, and this topic is exactly about her.


I call it a side-tangent because debating whether or not Edenians are humans had nothing to do with appearance or race when you first brought it up. It does NOW, because you JUST STARTED arguing that Edenians and Earthrealmers were originally born in the same realm and migrated to different realms.

But that's not canon.

And just like in the Rain thread, if something ain't canon, then it ain't a valid platform to base an argument on because there's no proof for it, thus this whole tangent is a distraction and waste of time like I said it was.

You'd get just as far trying to prove to me that it's okay to call Jade mixed because you think she has a black mom and a white dad. I'd say the same thing then that I'm saying to this: You're making that up. It's not info from the games, so it has no weight

P.S. Earthrealm was inhabited by both Humans AND Raptors at the SAME TIME. Raptors are evolved from dinosaurs the same was humans are, as far as real world history goes, evolved from Earth's lesser mammals, and Mythologies specifically pointed out that while Raiden and Shinnok's war almost drove the Raptors extinct, Raiden had HUMAN allies in that same war.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 11:08 AM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
You fail to understand. Making the poll didn't take a lot of time, but for a poll it was on for an exceptional amount of time before conclusions, frankly.

No, I understood what you meant perfectly. I'm saying that how long you let it go for before tallying up the results is irrelevant because since you rushed its creation and weren't more thoughtful about what you called the poll options, the poll is worthless.
"Mixed" won but is an invalid choice because it's a descriptor of parentage, not appearance.
And you still can't go around saying brown won when brown wasn't one of the options.

I stated that the poll (100% complete poll) took a lot of time and you spoke about its creation. So there lies a disconnection, acknowledged or not. The poll is not worthless, your blabbering is. I stated half-way that mixed people are Brown (especially Jade). Nobody had anything against that.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Jade is a human with a god's blood.

That was not what you meant when you put "mixed" in the poll.

It indeed was not, but it still moots your whole argument about Jade not being mixed by her blood. So in one way or another, Jade is mixed.

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Zmoke Wrote:
Jade has green eyes, 2) her hair is not curly and 3) her facial characteristics do not match with a full-on Negroid.

You're doing it again, you're stereotyping a REAL WORLD group of people who DON'T all look the same by insisting that they do. You're being blatantly, offensively racist.
The ONLY one of those three traits you're actually right about not applying to Earth Negroids is the green eyes, but you DON'T KNOW whether or not green eyes are a trait that comes naturally to the closest Edenian EQUIVALENT to Negroids.
Since you don't know what the traits of Edenian ethnicities are, you can't say having green eyes proves Jade is a mix of two ethnicities.

Here we go... Indicate me deliberately what part of my post was racist. The fact that you have to stoop to such cards is a solid confirmation that you lack in actual arguments. I do not insist that Negroids look the same.Tanya is a Black Edenian without green eyes.
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Zmoke Wrote:
You have no excuse to say that "this is creating a side-tangent" because I am solely talking about Jade, and this topic is exactly about her.

I call it a side-tangent because debating whether or not Edenians are humans had nothing to do with appearance or race when you first brought it up. It does NOW, because you JUST STARTED arguing that Edenians and Earthrealmers were originally born in the same realm and migrated to different realms.
But that's not canon.

I didn't start arguing that. It is a theory. It most certainly has to do with the topic's original question: "What Race Is Jade?". So your point is moot.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
And just like in the Rain thread, if something ain't canon, then it ain't a valid platform to base an argument on because there's no proof for it, thus this whole tangent is a distraction and waste of time like I said it was.
You'd get just as far trying to prove to me that it's okay to call Jade mixed because you think she has a black mom and a white dad. I'd say the same thing then that I'm saying to this: You're making that up. It's not info from the games, so it has no weight

A mixed person doesn't have to have two parents of "pure" ethnicities. Jade could also have two mixed parents, just like Brazilians do. And post in the Rain thread, sissy. I didn't state that Rain's alleged royalty is true and canon, but you stated that it is not for a fact. That's where you fall.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
P.S. Earthrealm was inhabited by both Humans AND Raptors at the SAME TIME. Raptors are evolved from dinosaurs the same was humans are, as far as real world history goes, evolved from Earth's lesser mammals, and Mythologies specifically pointed out that while Raiden and Shinnok's war almost drove the Raptors extinct, Raiden had HUMAN allies in that same war.

P.S. It doesn't moot any argument and that trivia is irrelevant to this topic.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
this time I'm not going to let you drag me into another point-by-point deconstruction of your crazy that consumes hours of my life.

Yeah, talk the talk. You're not only inconsistent but rather crazy yourself.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 11:41 AM EST
Zmoke Wrote:
I stated that the poll (100% complete poll) took a lot of time and you spoke about its creation. So there lies a disconnection, acknowledged or not.


I used one to make a joke at the other's expense.

If you spoke English better, it wouldn't seem like a disconnection to you.

Zmoke Wrote:
It indeed was not


Then case closed. You can't just change what you mean by "mixed" AFTER the poll is already over. The people who voted for "mixed" did not vote for "Half Edenian, Half God" because that's not what the poll was about.

Doing that sort of thing is exactly what I mean about how you never admit you were wrong, you instead keep trying to find excuses to win the argument and save your reputation and nobody respects that kind of weaseling out.

Accept responsibility for the fact that your poll was flawed from the start.

(Besides, "Half-Edenian, Half-God" would be SPECIES, not ethnicity)

Zmoke Wrote:
Indicate me deliberately what part of my post was racist.


I already did when I said it. So instead of repeating myself, I will simply state the obvious, that not all "full Negroids" have curly hair or the same facial characteristics. Jade does not have to have curly hair to prove she isn't mixed.

And how much her features look Negroid is debatable anyway, especially since she has a different nose in Deception...

Zmoke Wrote:
Tanya is a Black Edenian without green eyes.


I notice you didn't use the term "Negroid" this time, you said "Black". You also admitted Jade is Black at one point...but you say she's not full Negroid because she doesn't have some features like curly hair.

Well Tanya's hair is also straight. And her skin is lighter colored than Jade's.

So...is Tanya full Negroid according to you, or no?

Zmoke Wrote:
It is a theory.


It's a theory you can't back up, therefore, as a tangent to this thread it is pointless.

As far as current canon is concerned, Edenians were born on Edenia and Humans were born on Earthrealm.

Zmoke Wrote:
Jade could also have two mixed parents, just like Brazilians do.


Again, "could be"s are useless. We don't know anything concrete about her parents or what the ethnicities of Edenia actually are, therefore, we CAN'T use the word "mixed" to describe Jade's ethnicity.

Zmoke Wrote:
And post in the Rain thread, sissy.


Oh that's real mature.

I'm not posting in the Rain thread because I said all I have to say on the matter, there's no point repeating myself to someone who's just going to be stubborn.
Zmoke Wrote:
Yeah, talk the talk. You're not only inconsistent but rather crazy yourself.

The crazy I wasn't going to argue is not quite the same subject matter as this crazy, that's why I'm willing to argue it. Note how I'm still not willing to argue the Rain stuff either. I have a line and you not knowing where it is doesn't make me inconsistent. (It mainly has to do with the amount of pictures, colored text, insults, and bizarre references to real world people like Barack Obama you use. The less there are, the more coherently I can understand what the hell you're saying and thus, the more likely I am to respond. As they increase, so does my likelihood of walking away)
I also have a tolerance for wasting my time getting nowhere that's close to the threshold though. At the moment, I'm only persisting because I'm curious to see how much more of this it'll take before you'll admit your poll was flawed, but if I were a betting man, my money would be on "he never will"...
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 12:07 PM EST
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
I stated that the poll (100% complete poll) took a lot of time and you spoke about its creation. So there lies a disconnection, acknowledged or not.

I used one to make a joke at the other's expense.
If you spoke English better, it wouldn't seem like a disconnection to you.
Weak, RazorsEdge701, weak...
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It indeed was not

Then case closed. You can't just change what you mean by "mixed" AFTER the poll is already over. The people who voted for "mixed" did not vote for "Half Edenian, Half God" because that's not what the poll was about.
Doing that sort of thing is exactly what I mean about how you never admit you were wrong, you instead keep trying to find excuses to win the argument and save you reputation and nobody respects that kind of weaseling out.
Accept responsibility for the fact that your poll was flawed from the start.
(Besides, "Half-Edenian, Half-God" would be SPECIES, not ethnicity)

No, I already specified what "Edenian-Mixed" referred to in the poll. What's more, Jade is not "Half-Edenian, Half-God" and you got the information on how species are classified from me so you don't have to lecture me, fool.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Indicate me deliberately what part of my post was racist.

I already did when I said it. So instead of repeating myself, I will simply state the obvious, that not all "full Negroids" have curly hair or the same facial characteristics. Jade does not have to have curly hair to prove she isn't mixed.
And how much her features look Negroid is debatable anyway, especially since she has a different nose in Deception...

We were talking specifically about full-on Negroids. Prove me otherwise but thin, straight hair is not a common characteristic to a full-on Negroid, in fact very rare (if even existant naturally.) What I stated wasn't even racist.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
Tanya is a Black Edenian without green eyes.

I notice you didn't use the term "Negroid" this time, you said "Black". You also admitted Jade is Black at one point...but you say she's not full Negroid because she doesn't have curly hair.
Well Tanya's hair is also straight. And her skin is lighter colored than Jade's.
So...is Tanya full Negroid according to you, or no?

You are so desperate, RazorsEdge701. Tanya is a Negroid Edenian or Black for what it matters, whether or not she represents a pure Negroid.

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
It is a theory.

It's a theory you can't back up, therefore, as a tangent to this thread it is pointless.
As far as current canon is concerned, Edenians were born on Edenia and Humans were born on Earthrealm.

We were not talking about the present Edenians and Earthrealmers but their ancestors. It can be backed up, it maybe cannot be proven at this point, but it is a valid theory. It is not pointless, your Halo tangents are.

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Zmoke Wrote:
Jade could also have two mixed parents, just like Brazilians do.

Again, "could be"s are useless. We don't know anything concrete about her parents or what the ethnicities of Edenia actually are, therefore, we CAN'T use the word "mixed" to describe Jade's ethnicity.

You are so wrong it makes me laugh. You didn't understand that a mixed race person can have parents that are mixed as well. Your blabbering is the useless part and hey, we do know what Jade looks like and people were free to estimate that and voice out their opinions through the poll.Keep on whining, though.
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
And post in the Rain thread, sissy.

Oh that's real mature.
I'm not posting in the Rain thread because I said all I have to say on the matter, there's no point repeating myself to someone who's just going to be stubborn.

You can't provide the content here and believe that I would handle the minuscule details of yours in a wrong thread. You're a hypocrite when you talk about maturity after you used the racist card for the umpteenth time (illegitimately.) My call on your weak sissiness, however, was justified.
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The crazy I wasn't going to argue is not quite the same subject matter as this crazy, that's why I'm willing to argue it. Note how I'm still not willing to argue the Rain stuff either. I have a line and you not knowing where it is doesn't make me inconsistent. (It mainly has to do with the amount of pictures, colored text, insults, and bizarre references to real world people like Barack Obama you use. The less there are, the more coherently I can understand what the hell you're saying and thus, the more likely I am to respond. As they increase, so does my likelihood of walking away)
I also have a tolerance for wasting my time getting nowhere that's close to the threshold though. At the moment, I'm only persisting because I'm curious to see how much more of this it'll take before you'll admit your poll was flawed, but if I were a betting man, my money would be on "he never will"...
It is still "my crazy" in your terms so you truly are inconsistent. The fact that you refuse to talk about the Rain topic highlights your hypocrisy regarding admitting; it is not a given that Rain is not a prince unlike what you say. If that's how you think, then you're a poor investor and a laughable person.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 12:12 PM EST
Yep, that's both of the lines crossed. Can't come up with logical counterpoints so you used insulting names instead AND you can't admit you fucked up your poll by using the word "mixed" instead of "brown".

No point in talking to a brick wall, we're done here.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/04/2014 12:16 PM EST
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Yep, that's both of the lines crossed. Can't come up with logical counterpoints so you used insulting names instead AND you can't admit you fucked up your poll by using the word "mixed" instead of "brown".

I very much used logical counterpoints amid the justified insults. ~Z

Black = Negroid & Brown = Mixed

Since Brown is the broadest mixed race classification, it is a logical translation. I also asked people if it suffices and everybody agreed. ✓ ~Z

No point in talking to a brick wall, we're done here.
"What 'we'? There is just you saying that." ~RE701 flashbacks LMAO

Oh yeah? What're you trying to achieve by that? I can tell that a plethora of stuff you provide is flawed as well. Still I don't come to whine in every other place of yours you do that in. Even though I just came by to tell that you're wrong about "knowing" Rain is not a prince. The poll is informative and good to go, maybe it wasn't perfect but that is not crucial. Now get lost.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/07/2014 03:02 PM EST

People are still debating this? Jade is not a human, she is not from Earth.
She is an Edenian from Edenia.

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/07/2014 03:07 PM EST
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People are still debating this? Jade is not a human, she is not from Earth.
She is an Edenian from Edenia.

She in fact bears all the crucial attributes of a human to be passed off as one. In other series, extraterrestrial-but-otherwise-human peoples are also "humans". Of course, Jade has also a petite portion of "god", but she's still a human. The debate is over anyway – Jade's race is Brown.
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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/07/2014 03:18 PM EST
Zmoke Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:
People are still debating this? Jade is not a human, she is not from Earth.
She is an Edenian from Edenia.

She in fact bears all the crucial attributes of a human to be passed off as one. In other series, extraterrestrial-but-otherwise-human peoples are also "humans". Of course, Jade has also a petite portion of "god", but she's still a human. The debate is over anyway – Jade's race is Brown.


She is not human. She is humanoid because she looks like humans, but she is not human. Humans are from Earth.

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RE: What Race Is Jade?
04/07/2014 03:20 PM EST
wdm6789 Wrote:
Zmoke Wrote:
wdm6789 Wrote:
People are still debating this? Jade is not a human, she is not from Earth.
She is an Edenian from Edenia.

She in fact bears all the crucial attributes of a human to be passed off as one. In other series, extraterrestrial-but-otherwise-human peoples are also "humans". Of course, Jade has also a petite portion of "god", but she's still a human. The debate is over anyway – Jade's race is Brown.

She is not human. She is humanoid because she looks like humans, but she is not human. Humans are from Earth.

The Earthrealmers' origins have not been specified, they could entirely be of Edenia too. In that scenario, no one in MK would be a "human" in your terms really – but that would be absurd. The place of birth is not relevant.
Edenian = foreign-realm human being