I stand corrected... I broke out MK2 this past weekend to play with some friends and none of us remembered the game playing that rough lol

This is one I should have let stay in my memory :)

Now play UMK3 and compare.

i never really liked mk2 as much as mk3. it was fun, but it annoyed me more than mk3 really.

mk3's fatalities sucked.

What are fatalities?

mk 2 was first, then mk3. you can have one with out the other.

anyone who is a real mk player knows that every game has a foundation. there are fundmentals and if you cannot respect mk1 and mk2 .

your missing a whole lot.

from the roots, are the answers to the future. thats how the game was built, you guys make me laugh on how sure you about your game play. theres things that ive been watching that everyones claiming as too "why" there characters are this and that.

the only reason your claiming these facts is because "YOU" hav'nt played mk1 and mk2. the way the game is supposed to be played. if you dont have the "FOUNDATION," dont kid yourself your game has holes in it.

your not gonna understand the whole book if you only read the last three chapters you have to read the whole book.

^ I think everyone understands and respects MK2 as a game that helped lay the foundation for subsequent MK games but it really cant be denied that UMK3 is a superior game and is the right game to have on Live. UMk3 is quicker, has deeper gameplay and is much more balanced than MK2.

How is MK2 supposed to be played?

Answer that or say nothing. And don't tell me that we are not supposed to play the game in a competitive environment where winning is the goal (in which case the way you play MK2 is to turtle fest with the 2 strongest characters).

The big split I see going on in these threads is there are a lot of people talking in details and you are talking strictly in broad generalities. It's like you are trying to type as much as you can without saying anything. Foundations. Fundamentals. WTF are you actually talking about? Tell me a detail, something.

If you just like the game more that's fine. But if you are going to argue about gameplay TALK ABOUT GAMEPLAY.

if i told you that then i would'nt have an edge, you got to go learn that on your own. thats the luxury that i've have paid, in playing all versions.

mk 2 is not a turtle fest, it is a exact game of moves. not like umk3 which can be started with any wild button mashing moves.

i can agree on the fact that umk3 for that reason alone will prbly fit with more button mashing excitement then mk2 which is more of a game with a set of exact moves. and people in general can't handle that.

but, i figure they want a winner from the get and will release other version of the game for more money. i can wait.

UMK3 is not a button masher. It is a game where you need to know what you are doing and if you dont and your opponent does, you're toast. You need to understand the benefits of the character you are playing and how that will match up with your opponents tactics.

If it were a mash fest, any person out there could be good. Put a button masher versus someone who is skilled and the difference will be seen. MK2 seems to revolve around the strategy of riding block and making a move. What deeper gameplay is there with the game? And please do not speak in some 'nanny nanny boo boo' talk of you knowing the game so you cant talk to us about what gameplay issues you are trying to talk about. That is a cop out.

lol, Wouldn't have an edge. Thank you. You just gave yourself away. No reason to consider your posts any more.

hahhahahahahaha....... you weak minded fool, fall deeper into my trap!!!!!

Stop talking fist...you make yourself lose credibility with each post, every word.

Most of us started with MK1/2 and have moved to MK3/U/T, even to MK4 and the 3-D games. But we have all came back to UMK3 because of it's superior gameplay.

Why drive a Pinto when you can drive a Viper?

i have played every mortal kombat game on the consoles or arcade exept for mythologies and special forces. i have an opinion on all of these games too. now don't get me wrong, MK2 has it's fun moments, but that doesn't stop people from having an opinion. and mine is that it pisses me off a lot, and the mk3 games were more fun and less cheap. so just because i like mk3, doesnt mean i dont know anything about the series.

"mk 2 was first, then mk3. you can have one with out the other."

This is part of why MK3 is a better fighting game than MKII. When you get to MK4, there are a lot of specific, not so obvious aspects that need to be compared to say why UMK3 is a better fighting game than MK4, which came after it. This has been explained already. It is blatantly obvious why MK3 is better than MKII.

"anyone who is a real mk player knows that every game has a foundation."

No, not just MK players. There is a difference between MK players and MK fans. MK fans are the worst people to ask "Which is a better game" because they honestly don't know. Anyone who plays any fighting game sequals knows that they are generally based off the previous versions. This has absolutely nothing to do with your argument and is completely irrelevant.

"there are fundmentals and if you cannot respect mk1 and mk2 your missing a whole lot."

You don't have to like something in order to respect it. I have explained before that there are people who simply prefer "originals" over sequals because of that fact alone, and base it on nothing else. This is called an opinion. This also, does not support your argument. It is a big "nothing" in your post.

"from the roots, are the answers to the future."

Horrible.

"thats how the game was built, you guys make me laugh on how sure you about your game play."

I don't understand this sentence at all. Can someone explain why?

"theres things that ive been watching that everyones claiming as too "why" there characters are this and that. "

You don't know anything about fighting games except that you can pull the plug out when you're losing.

"the only reason your claiming these facts is because "YOU" hav'nt played mk1 and mk2 the way the game is supposed to be played."

As DreemerNJ stated, explain, because from your previous posts we all know that you don't know anything about competitive gameplay.

"if you dont have the "FOUNDATION," dont kid yourself your game has holes in it."

This is more hogwash nothing-talk. You don't even know what to say so you will say anything. If you wanna put some money up in UMK3, in person, let's do it, the only hole we'll see is in your pocket.

"your not gonna understand the whole book if you only read the last three chapters you have to read the whole book"

You apparently, have not even opened the book.

"if i told you that then i would'nt have an edge, you got to go learn that on your own."

You have no edge to begin with, because we already know more than you ever will about the games. You have authenticated your ignorance.

"thats the luxury that i've have paid, in playing all versions."

Again with the nothing-talk. Are you high?

"mk 2 is not a turtle fest, it is a exact game of moves."

It is a Turtlefest.

"not like umk3 which can be started with any wild button mashing moves."

100% accuracy with each sentence. Seriously, you really don't know what you're talking about.

"i can agree on the fact that umk3 for that reason alone will prbly fit with more button mashing excitement then mk2 which is more of a game with a set of exact moves."

And we all agree that you continuously prove your lack of knowledge and experience through your words. You don't know who you're talking to, or what you're talking about.

"and people in general can't handle that"

People in general can't handle someone who is a fountain of misinformation.

"but, i figure they want a winner from the get and will release other version of the game for more money. i can wait."

Which again has nothing to do with your argument. This is very easy to deduce because you have no argument. You are a troll and I'll work with that.

"hahhahahahahaha....... you weak minded fool, fall deeper into my trap!!!!!"

Terrible.

UMK3 have the best gameplay we can't even make a debate about it. This is if we talk about competitive gameplay.

But personnally I don't think that we can appreciate a game only for the gameplay, gameplay is only an aspect of a game.

A lot of people think I'm crazy on this forum, but my 2 favorites games are MK1 and MK4...and this is not because of the gameplay lol.

I like MK1 because I can play it with friends and with my brother who are not big gamers and have a ton of fun. MK3 and UMK3 are too complicated according to them(and I always kick their ass anyway lol). Also I doesn't really like the characters in MK3 personnally...

In MK4 I like the overall atmosphere, the unbelievable video endings and the music.

But having played all game, when I play against good MK players I prefer to play UMK3 because I know that we won't be doing always the same things and the action will be intense and not broken.

I sincerely hope nobody on the board really thinks your crazy for saying this. Most of the MK games can be very entertaining for casual play, and UMK3 has a much steeper learning curve than the others (which I assume is why fist thinks its a button masher cause its a bit too steep for him :-/)

And as far as atmosphere, MK4 looked and sounded really cool. I still fire up MK1 sometimes just because the un-airbrushed characters seem more raw, and that game still has the best music of the series IMO.

UMK3 is my favorite, but I can understand where Ras is coming from. I can't really play UMK3 with most of my friends because the difference in skill and experience just makes it too lopsided. We'd have more fun firing up MK1, MK4, or Deception, since it's all casual fun and no one would have too much of an experience advantage.

This of course has nothing to do with the games in and of themselves, it's just a function of how I've allocated my playing time over the years. If I played MK1 all the time, then that game would be kind of "ruined" for casual play too.

Ha ha this kind of relates to my opinion of MK2. I think MK2 gets less fun the better you get at it. I hate playing MK2 against high-level players. But against someone of medium skill like myself, I still derive great enjoyment out of it, when I need to cool down after some UMK3 matches.

The reason why gameplay is the major remaining important factor of these games is because the other aspects are and can be outdated when compared to the newer games in the series. UMK3's gameplay still stands over the 3D games.

I kind of prefer the idea of UMK3 being brought out because MK2 is already on MK Shaolin Monks so I think UMK3 would be better and would add to my collection of Mortal Kombat games. Also, even though MK2's story is better, I find the gamplay in UMK3 to be a lot cooler because of the ability to put combos together and also the ability to run and do Brutalities.

I’ve been lurking the forums recently, and now I just felt the need to reply :P I love both MK2 and MK3. I thought that MK3 (and UMK3) had great gameplay, although I never used the run function (I don’t hate it, I just didn’t use it). The problem with it was that I didn’t like the style of the game (graphically speaking), nor did I like the fatalities. And I thought that most characters were boring (but he, that’s just an opinion; I did like Sheeva, kabal and Sindel).
Furthermore I didn’t like the ‘speed’. The game plays a lot faster then the previous games (MK1, MK2). I liked how you could better plan your attacks and moves in the older mk’s and I liked the fact that it was easier for your opponent to kick your ass when you fucked up. That’s why I don’t like (U)MK3 , it feels to me as if the luck-factor is way too big (at least to my taste/opinion).
For example; when I play MK2 , I’ve got all my moves/attacks already planned out before “round 1” sounds. Mostly those ‘plans’ consist out of combos which I thought up. Of course I fuck up occasionally, and that’s when my mates kick my butt around :P.
So when I , or my friends, fuck up; they know it’s mostly their own fault and they had the change to prevent it. I quite like it when my friends scream/shout when the know they just fucked it up and I’m going to knock them out. (and I hate it when it happens to me...)

its a no wonder why this board never gets any new members, because some people think they know everything. the last time i checked there 50 states in this country and when mk was released i belived it was released prbly everywhere. i find it hard to believe that 3 or so people on these BBs, who happen to act as though there knowledge is final, is truly outright ludacris.

it kinda bothers me that people pat each other on there backs for reach arounds. theres nothing i can say or anything anyone else can say because the same three people have to chime in, and try to brain wash everyone why there right. and make videos verus no one but, themselfs and a couple other people who dont account for less then .ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo1% of the people who played these games.

i feel mk2 is better. you feel mk3 is better. so, what!!!!!!

it isnt so much as expecting free handjobs as it is more than 1 person liking the same game. its not that we all try to be right, its that you try to insult us for having a different opinion. so i ask the same question in return... we like umk3, and you like mk2....so what?

As I said, there is nothing wrong with liking MK2. But UMK3 has better gameplay. It can be played at a high level. We like that because when we go to tournaments, we can find people to play UMK3 and the matches are good.

The problem here isn't about one group trying to dominate the ideas of another. In this thread in particular there were 2 problems.

1. The argument was made that MK3/UMK3 was broken and Cyrax was a reason why its broken. That's a problem because Cyrax isn't a broken character. It's just a randomly picked character from someone that obviously doesn't know the game.

2. There are people that feel the need to chime in and try to convince people on this board that UMK3 is a button-masher, that the game is not based on MK2, and that somehow MK2 has deeper gameplay that can be played at a higher level, and that is all lies.

Again, go ahead and love MK2. That is fine. But if you don't know enough about the UMK3 to see that it is far more balanced, and all around a better fighting game in terms of gameplay than MK2, don't just start making stuff up, like Cyrax breaking the game, the game being a button masher, and start spouting useless, meaningless drivel.

F1st, you do not describe in any way what makes MK2 have better gameplay than UMK3. You protect it as your "edge" as some kind of odd ploy to cover the fact that you cannot name the reasons in terms of gameplay because you do not know about the MK games. Any of them. You have not said a single solid thing, and I imagine you never will.

what the fuck?lol

oooooooooooohhhhh yeaaaaahhh... play mk3.i dont have umk3,but still...

to show off of course