Ok. Nintendo 64 is a million decades out the question. PSX Mortal Kombat Trilogy is of an arcade-port, no difference in the graphics (maybe a pinch, but I highly doubt). The design team worked full force making a perfect port on Playstation. The design team worked full force making a perfect port on Playstation.

Midway ArcadeTreasure 2's MK3 more perfect than MKT? If you do have a volume on your tv, notice the quality is screwed just like they went wrong with Trilogy on N64. In that case, quality wise degrades MK3 to an equivalent level of N64's Triilogy. Oh, maybe you're regarding the loading times. Well, quality is the biggest issue among gaming/gamers. Quality tends to keep you gaming and excited. Hearing bad quality in a game is just sad, sad, sad. Sometimes I laugh hearing a genesis-like quality voice screaming. Embarrassing. Don't they sound like a $2 battery-operated toy? It's a rip-off in any case to buy a game today and get regretful results.

I play MK Trilogy anytime over Mortal Kombat 3 Midway Arcade's Treasures (unless I muted the volume). I get the true feeling of playing the arcade with nothing tampered with, everything precisely an arcade rendition.

Quality matters. Mk on cartridges don't.

OK pyshchobeks whatever.....pal read the whole profile buddy not just part of it,i like Nintendo and Xbox.....PSX i admit i hate,anyone who really cant see that the PS in general isn't over rated is blind.And accusing me of being a hypocrit????You don't even know me,you judge me based on a two word profile....you gotta be a kid,or an arrogant player.Your tune would change after you faced me!!!!!!!!!!!

And Dreem,seriously man.......dont start with me ,im really not in the mood,your not my daddy ok pal i will say what i want to say,if you have a problem with that,dont read any of my posts.And your tune would change as well after playing me.
I want to know something from the both of you clowns,how many people do you use in UMK3 or Trilogy,and name the most damaging combo that you know with your most powerful character.
Lets see just how much you two really know!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DreemerNJ and I know all the absolute most damaging combos in UMK3 for every character, and anyone who has seen our videos does as well.

The only thing I mentioned I was wrong about was the amount of stages, (which you can blame MKSecrets for not me lol) but honestly, does that really matter? Does the Star Bridge make N64 MKT better, if it does to you, then that's fine, you can think it's better, but as Anyanka said it's a load of crap.

Loading time can be looked it upon at a higher level of life, as in, time is something that cannot be measured, you have the ability to remove load times if you use EPSXE. The reason I look at load time in this manner is because it's something that is 100% unavoidable. We'd either have ONLY MKT for N64, and nothing else, or MKT for PSX, a 99% arcade conversion as Super Ultimate Mortal Kombat 3, with of course 15% smaller and about 33% lower quality character graphics than the arcade with the same frames, while N64 also has smaller than arcade size charactersm 50% lower quality or more, missing a large number of frames.

Now you can also look at this as something that cannot be helped due to storage issues, but when it comes down to it, pound for pound it's not better than PSX, there's no argument. I'm sorry you feel the way you do, but officially 7-3 out of 10 categories PSX is better, but you can also look at the backgrounds in general with quality and what not as being better on PSX as well, because they are.

In any event, I'll school you in Ultimate, and in MKT, that's another fact.

Matt

Again, off topic, but ok. MK2 Kung Broken and I both play as every character, except Noob Saibot or the bosses since they are too broken.

My favorites are Mk2 Raiden, I don't know the max damage we found for him. At least 70%, and Sindel, which has an infinite so there's the 100% for her.

Another favorite is MK2 Kung Lao. But, you wouldn't know anything about him.

EDIT: Unless of course you read a review of him. Then you know everything you need to I assume.

Sindel it is relatively easily to break 70% mid screen, but yeah she's got the corner infinite which is nearly impossible to do unless your name is DreemerNJ, and she has relaunch combos which easily get her to 100%, MK Raiden can get an easy 60%, he also has relaunch infinites, and a teleport relaunch infinite modification on some characters, which is a legit infinite and never reaches the corners.

Sindel in game Big Damage

You can get 80% fairly easily as well with HP, scream, HP,HP scream, HP, scream, 5 hit pop up, run, HP,HP, JK, air fireball.

Matt

I honestly don't know how anyone could objectively determine that N64 MKT is better than PSX. The N64 port is just so bad. You don't have to be a high level player to see that the gameplay is messed up. So many frames are missing! You can even see it just in their idle stances. Also some of the worst music ever.

And I love watching that Kahn/Lao ermac sig.

It probably comes down to it being a joke/he's not really serious and is just trolling, whatever the case may be, at least it keeps this forum off life support.

And yeah, I think my latest sig creation really gets the point across.

Matt

Yeah, I am really pleased to see so much activity on the board.

And that is one of the funniest sigs I've seen.

And I was thinking of something funny. Imagine in the PSX version had sound and graphics as bad as the N64 version. There would probably practically no load time. There isn't much right now, and if you cut out all those frames of animation and colors and sounds and quality, it would probably cut back on loading considerably. And then PSX's version would suck too

What baffles me is that someone who is obviously consumed with a superficial element like loading time manages to overlook the obvious flaws in sound and graphics. I figure that mindset would lead one to automatically declare a better-sounding, better-looking version of a game the best. I mean, the average player would declare the PSX version the best for even the wrong reasons (sounds so good, looks so pretty!). And when you consider the RIGHT reasons, of course (accurate gameplay, more characters), the choice just becomes academic.

This kid has rambled on an awful lot to get his single point across: for him, loading time takes priority. Okay may, that's cool! There's not much else to say about it really. I'm not sure how you managed to stretch that one point into all these rambling paragraphs.

Busta upper i said that i feel that the graphics and sound are better in the PSX version,i simply said that i enjoy the N64 version better....I like it better....originally,and the graphics are good enough for me.....even though the PSX is better.

Dreem,just one thing to say to you,too obsessed with the off topic gig.No offense man.

And MK2Kung,with all of due respect man,i dont need your schooling dude.......I play this game religiously all the time,more than Deception and in Deception i have 5030 wins and 330 losses,so you can do the math LOL !!I'm one of the best players out there.Just ask anyone from the Xbox live forum.
I guarantee you that after all of you guys including you MK2Kung, played me for about 20 or 30 matches, you would be asking me for tips.
I'll give you guys the whole PSX version being better and all.......its no big deal to me,i just hate loading time,not to mention i just think you guys are giving MKT for the PSX just a tad bit too much credit,i mean i have played that version too,and its sweet,but its still not exactly like the Arcade either.......the PSX version is close but no cigar,just like the N64......I feel that they are both good games in their own respect.
UMK3 forever!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You have played many of the people on the XBox live forums in MKT?

And you've kept track of 5360 MKT matches? How many people do you play? It sounds like you must be in an area with tons of MK fans, which is quite unusual.

My point is Dreem,is that i play the game an awful lot man,I try to rotate between UMK3 for SNES,MKT ,N64 and MK:Deception for both the Xbox and GC.

And Dreem,i figured you might be interested in this,I want to look into how much a PS1 is,for a reasonable price of course,buy it and then buy trilogy for it,just to play that version again and compare it to the N64 version myself if you guys dont mind.??

I have played it for the PS1,but it was a few years back,i wish and plan to compare a lot of different aspects of the two games.I'm going to compare every little detail,every little nook and kranny.
Then i will post a post topic of what i think,don''t worry when the time comes i'll be prepared for whatever you guys have to say about my theory of the two,i'll play MK for the PSX,in time asap as soon as i get the chance i will do so,but know this im only doing it for MKT,i love MK to death.............not for the PSX!!!!!

And that record is online in XBOX live in Deception that i posted earlier.
My MKT record has just as many or if not that many close to it,because i used to play it against all of my friends,I still play it a lot now ,however all of my friends cant stand me when it comes to MK now,because i got so good(not to sound conceded).
So now i play MKT ,UMK3,Midway arcade now all on the hardest possible level and just keep playing ,this way i wont get rusty,even though none of my friends will play me anymore,i still have fun playing the good old arcade mode!!!!!!!!Even though the computer has a pattern ,i still play and try to do all new combos all the time.

Its amazing how the MK classics are still hot after all of these years,Deception has brought back a lot of that oommmppphhh that it has been missing for a while,even though its broken....its still a great game when played fairly. And Dreem,despite your question being sarcastic or not,no i dont live in a highly MK populated area......do you????Because your right ,it is highly unlikely no matter where,unless you work for midway of course!!! Im not worried though,not if but when the classic MK's come out MK2,MK3,UMK3,MK4,....i will prove myself just like the people who doubted my skills in Deception on Live.They played me and now they know that im the real deal!!!!!!!!

I really wasn't being sarcastic, I was just in awe of the idea that there was someplace where lots of people play MK. And I don't want to sound some type of way when I say this, but you have to realize you are playing UMk3 for SNES which has gameplay that only exists in UMK3 for snes, not gameplay like Genesis or the arcade, and MKT for N64 which has gameplay vastly different to MKT for PSX or UMK3 for the Arcade. And, you are playing MKD which is, frankly, a broken mess. None of those games are solid enough for any real competition. They are all broken. UMK3 for SNES is broken, gameplay wise, compared to the arcade or even Genesis, even if it does look and sound a million times better then genesis. MKT N64, well we've discussed that. And MKD is just flat out broken. You should see MK2Kung Broken's videos of himself flying, literally flying around the screen in MKD. It's pretty sad.

Well i agree with you on most of your aspects,but seriously man i can see all of you points comparing the PS version of MKT to N64,but you cant be serious about the Genesis being anyway better than the SNES version,The SNES version is not broken,the genesis is with the ridiculously fast gameplay,if you play the arcade MK2 which im sure you haved before,then you know that the genesis version is nothing like the Arcade or the SNES version,the sound is way off like crap,the graphics just suck,and the music is so warped you would think that you were on something.

I'll respect your opinions on MK ,but i can guarantee you that a lot of people will agree with me that the SNES version of MK2 and 3, are much better than the Genesis,like i said before sega put too much speed into it.
The arcade is not that fast Dreem.And,MK2,MK3,for theSNES is not nearly as broken as the ones for the genesis man.And Trilogy is not perfect for PSX and N64 but very close enough to the arcade versions.To get good practice from it.
And Deception is very broken i agree,but it got the best fighter of the year,its received several awards,including ;longevity which no other fighter has got,so you have to give MK that credit for that alone.And Deception is a great ,fun game when played without gliches and infinites.You just have to deal with it sometimes,and it beat DOA sale wise by a good margin,its stated in the interview when you first log on now,plus i read about it in the best selling fighters of 2004.This is a fact,im not speculating or guessing.
And i have a question for you,you said that your friend was flying,so to speak,i never ever saw a glitch like that,i saw one once where on the temple stage,after i got knocked off and onto the second platform,i couldnt move and my opponent kept walking on the air,finally the clock ran out and i won because i had more damage on him then him on me.Then it diss on me.

And besides MKT for the home systems and MK2,MK3,UMK3 are still close enough to get better at the arcade.The speed frames are slightly off,but the genesis is without a doubt the worst and fastest.

I know what I said about UMK3 for genesis is tough to take. UMK3 for SNES is superior in every way except how they translated the gameplay. If you play the game for Genesis its much closer to the arcade then if you play it for SNES. If you start trying to juggle near the corner, or just watch how people fly off of popups or anti-air hits and compare it to the arcade you will see what I mean. Personally, I think both are pretty terrible and I don't care to play either, especially since I have MKT for PSX.

In MKT for PSX, if you use characters and moves that are also in UMK3 for the arcade, pretty much whatever you do will be doable in UMK3 for the arcade as well. That's where the gameplay really shines, in how close it is to the arcade. Of course this also comes from the fact that I consider UMK3 for the arcade to be the best MK game there is, and the closer to it, the better other games are.

As far as flying in MKD, it was something to do with rapid style changing as you jump. MK2 Kung Broken had videos up on dtz.com for a while but I cannot find them right now. I will ask him about it later, or he might see this post before that. I will ask him to put them somewhere on the server for you and PM a link to you since MKD vids are really off topic for this thread and for the classic forum in general.

And as far as all the hype certain fighting games get in the press, I have to say I don't see a direct connection between that and how good a fighter it actually is. Public accollades are usually there because there is something about the game the general public likes, and die hard fighting game fans are not part of the general public. I know that the review shows on G4tv don't understand fighting games. Thats why Tommy says GGXX sucks because you can always win by hitting one button. That is not a bad review of a game, thats a bad review of a gamer.

And I know websites like gamespot.com often suck at reviews because they put up reviews of games and controllers without actually using the game or controller being reviewed sometimes (i.e. the DC Fighters Pro Pad, whose review was eventually removed because it was so blatantly made up).

And, when games get huge props despite horribly broken gameplay, its because the general public that plays it mildly and never wants to actually get good at it sees something that makes them happy. The United States in general seems to have something against steeper learning curves, which is why easy games like SC2 and MvC2 become so popular, because anybody can pick them up and do big combos and huge damage in them. There is high level play in games like MvC2, but in general its pretty boring and cookie-cutter-esque because there just isn't anything to the game. The newer MKs are even worse then that because there isn't enough for even a stale tournament. There's barely enough there to make it interesting for casual fights.

I dunno. I guess I have just been spoiled by the fact that my first real ventures into fighting games were UMK3 for the arcade and MKT for PSX and I only want to play games that live up to those. And, sadly, there aren't many. No other MK game for any system holds a candle to either of those and only a select few other games come close (The only one I can think of is VF4e, because it is far tighter and more balanced then UMk3, or any other fighter I've ever played, and still ends up being incredibly fast).

I like the N64 one way better. I have it for that, and my friend has it for PS. We both like mine better.

I do not like when people refer to playing against the computer on a hard difficulty level as being gameplay experience.

You can pick up a PSOne real cheap used at probably any video game store like EB World or Gamestop, and MKT itself might be a bit harder to find, but no more than $10, just make sure it's the greatest hits version. Honestly, I can't see how after "reviewing" the games that you could possibly say N64 is better in any way, anyone of sound mind knows the difference.

Yes you can in fact fly in MKD if you rapidly hit the style change button as you jump.

Matt

Well mysticocean,i agree with you......others may not,and thats fine,whatever.Everyone has an opinion and is entitled to it.I see you points Dreem,like i said,i really dont like the genesis version for my reasons as i stated in past posts.I would take the SNES version over it any day of the week over the genesis version.
As for you opinions on the fighting game thing,i can see your points but at the same time i disagree with you about the whole,mk game thing not living up tho the potential as UMK3,or MK2 or any great classic MK game.Deception is indeed broken unfortunetely,but still a fun great am i think,when played without abusing gliches,you must admit that from a n authentic standpoint,the martial arts is a sweet addition to the later MK's...breaking down each individual stance,even though there are many more,im sure we will see some more in future MK games,i hope.And VF4 might have been a good game,i know a lot of people told me that it sucks,but whatever,personally i dont like tekken,VF,DOA,these games are way too similiar to me.MK standsout much more in my view,as does SF.
Now from a overall stand point i feel that NO fighter out there lives up the popularity,fun factor,longevity factor of a great fighter like MK or SF.Even though SF is dead now thanks to capcom,MK is clearly not,even though Dreem i know you disagree about the latest MK's living up to the potential of the older ones,we must adapt to the fact that there are things that you can do in 2d that you cant do in 3d and visa-versa.Ed boon along with a lot of other fighter makers stated this in making fighting games.
MK has procing themselves for the most part to the public of videogames and most MK fans as well as some fighter fans that they still have a lot of juice left,unlike SF,killer instinct,DoA,VF.SC and tekken still has a lot of juice left i feel in the future as does MK.Even though there are some fans out there that are obsessed with every nook and kranny and every little detail,like you for example,you still have to give MK credit for its longevity and success over the years.And MK in the long run overall would put VF away.VF4 was a hit,then it died.A few people told me that it was great,a lot of others told me it blows totally,just a poor rip off of tekken.Thats what i heard and read about VF4.
Still i think that UMK3 is one of the best fighters ever made!!!!!!!!!!!!

And MK2KUNG,i wasnt braging about facing the computer or anything,i even said that they have pattersn that anyone can adapt to after a while,i said no one plays me so i have no choice.its keeps me warmed for real comp,which i have yet to play other than a few guys in the arcades.

So...you think you're good in UMK3.

Fighting against the CPU and fighting against another player are two differences. "As you play the game and you push start, the computer is very dumb, it'll just stand there and let you beat it up. If you play the game the first time and the computer kills you, you're not gonna want to play it again". Trust me, you get much more competition against another player, and from the looks of your replies, I doubt you're ready to prove yourself.

Oh, the quote was from Ed, MMK3.

Virtual Fighter 4 is probably one of the most popular 3D fighters in the world. America is not a big part of the world fighting game community so we don't see much of it here. And I understand why. Americans, in general, seem to prefere crappy 3D games like MKD.

I never said that the newer games weren't good because they were lacking something that the older games had, as in some kind of mechanic of the old game. They are not good because they are made poorly. MKDA was a step in the right direction. MKD should have been sealed up tight and unbroken. It should have been worthy of a tournament, but it never was and at this rate there will never be another good MK game when you consider gameplay.

I refer to VF4e because it is a huge success, and extremely popular, in areas where people play fighters competatively. I don't mean areas that play games like MKD competatively, I am talking about a different level. A level where people watch a replay of your match and recognize how you play, either by you individually or by your 'school' of play (e.g. Chicago style umk3 play) I think one of the reasons why the die hard UMk3 fans are so few and far between is that the game is actually deep, unlike so many other fighters, like MK2 or MK4 or MKDA or DOA. There is a big difference in how good someone can get at games like VF4e and UMK3. There just isn't that amount of depth in other games. And in bad home conversions, the depth of even the best games is usually lost.

I think if you started to seriously play against really good players in games that require a lot of skill to be really good at, you would discover a very different side to fighting games. A side that only exists in small pockets in America. And once you do that, I guarantee, you will never be able to play against the computer again. I know I can't. I have no way to really play against anybody besides Kaillera and there is something so crippling about its lag even when the lag is considered minimal. So, I don't play until I can play a person. There's no point. Playing the computer is just muddling things up anyway since nothing you do there will really transport over to playing a real player. All it will do is get you used to doing things that will make you lose when you finally do end up playing someone. All of this is assuming you are beyond the basics too. I am assuming a person knows combos, and move restrictions, and the benefits of different strategies and the common uses and abuses of moves. If someone doesn't know that stuff then playing the computer isn't going to hurt too much because the level of play is low, but it also isn't really going to help.

Zero beats,i'm sure your not trying to get under my skin or anything,but i would gladly face,you.Mabey this time you will understand,i'll tell you what i will even be specific ok.I said that no one that i know locally friends,nor strangers,nor co-workers,or anyone else will face me,because im tough.
And with all due respect,you have never faced me so you don't know jack about my skills in UMK3.I'll galdly take your ass on.I never said that you suck or you aren't ready for comp.However just because of my posts,your judging me?????????
I even vividly remember asking you and everyone else in this thread to name your best character and his or her most damaging combo that you know.Did you answer uuuuuummmm no,so if anything pal your not ready.
I have only been playing the game since it came out until now still,so i'm so sure that i'm sooooo afraid or not ready to take on a chump or two that knows me for two seconds and claims im not ready.....HAAAAA
I'm more than ready for you or anyone else,are you?????????So come on who do you use???????

Do you have access to play UMK3 online?

If he does I'm ready to go.

Matt

What do i have to do to play UMK3 online????????You must let me know!!!!!!!!!!!
I'll see what i can do!!!!!!!!!!
Dreem that whole thing concerning VF and MK and SF and any other fighting game is all a matter of opinion man,but i respect all.Deception is not a crappy game,only when people abuse glitches,and infinites as well!!!
Like i said,Deception may not be the best MK,but its still a lot of fun when played correctly,i have more matches in that game than most players....to some people they may think i have no life,totally not true,i justlove MK,plus i work during the day so i play at night all night everyday!!!!!!!
VF,tekken,DOA seem too much a like to me,i'm sorry but they just do.MK stands on a different level of skill.MK is the best 2d fighter in my opinion........if your a true MK fan,you will feel the same!!!!!!!Although SF2 is great as well.
There was a rumor that they would make the ULTIMATE FIGHTER EVER
MKvs.SF
Unfortunetely it will never happen.

I'm down to challenge you. However, I am very ignorant when it comes to firewalls. Ever since having DSL, I wasn't able to make a succesful netplay connection, possibly due to firewall issues. And I have no knowledge whatsover about firewall and disabling it.
Whenever I can fix all blocking problems to allow me to netplay, I challenge you! Ultimate MK3!
I'm not the best MK3 player, so don't let me put you in diapers.