No I still dont agree with it, however I do have my own theory on it and how it may tie to MK6. Ok my theory is that Reiko's ending does happen and he puts on Kahn's mask and eventually the whole uniform. Anyways I think Reiko is some kind of decoy for Shao Kahn or possibly the person who took over in Shao Kahn's place. Anyways I think Shang Tsung and Quan Chi in fact killed Reiko who was disguised as Shao Kahn. The way it could tie in with MK6, remember when someone from the last IRC chat said something about us not seeing the last of Kahn, well it could be that they finally solve the Reiko/Kahn mystery and reveals that Reiko was in fact dead and Kahn makes a comeback on whatever reason they give him. Just what I think it'll be like.

I like the decoy idea. That makes sense as well. If Shao Kahn does return, I hope they use that instead of the "he's a god and tough to kill" thing. That's pretty lame really.

No, Shao Kahn was like 9 feet tall! Play MK: Trilogy and either play as Shao Kahn or wait until you have to fight him, and compare the height of Kahn, to the regular fighter. And Reiko is not 9 feet tall. And also, I think Kahn had a demonic face. (I know he didn't have a demonic face in MK:A but the MK movies don't follow the story the games did anyway.)

And it just doesn't seem right that Reiko is Kahn.

Well to me the size of the characters is irrevelant, its just the size they decided to make them. True in MKT Kahn was much bigger but I think it was just their way of making him look more bosslike. Because in MK II Kahn was actually a little more closer to the size of the other kombatants. Also yes I know Kahn has a demonic face but you dont really see it when he has mask on.

Sub-Saibot Wrote: No, Shao Kahn was like 9 feet tall! Play MK: Trilogy and either play as Shao Kahn or wait until you have to fight him, and compare the height of Kahn, to the regular fighter. And Reiko is not 9 feet tall. And also, I think Kahn had a demonic face. (I know he didn't have a demonic face in MK:A but the MK movies don't follow the story the games did anyway.) And it just doesn't seem right that Reiko is Kahn.

BenDover Wrote: Sorry, I know this is old as the hills, but I just had a bit of a revelation about this. Just think about what MK4 hints at, and forget what team MK says about it. Follow the games, not them. Shao Kahn wanted to win MK4 and become champion. Maybe he didn't want Liu Kang to be champ. Maybe he wanted to make sure Quan and Shinnok didn't become too powerful, that would threaten his future plans. So he enters the tournament in disguise, as Reiko. Much in the same manner that Raiden enters the tournaments, but in disguise. But Shao Kahn/Reiko doesn't win. Then we all see him eat it in MKDA, so it all fits. Simple really.

Why follow the game instead of the game makers?

Shao Kahn looked a little undersized the intro movie as well. So that would fit into him being the decoy Reiko.

Well, since we know he has a demonic face now, then Reiko can't be Kahn. Cause he doesn't have a mask. And his face isn't demonic. It will be kinda hard to disguise a demonic face. Lol.

subzero961 Wrote: Well to me the size of the characters is irrevelant, its just the size they decided to make them. True in MKT Kahn was much bigger but I think it was just their way of making him look more bosslike. Because in MK II Kahn was actually a little more closer to the size of the other kombatants. Also yes I know Kahn has a demonic face but you dont really see it when he has mask on. Sub-Saibot Wrote: No, Shao Kahn was like 9 feet tall! Play MK: Trilogy and either play as Shao Kahn or wait until you have to fight him, and compare the height of Kahn, to the regular fighter. And Reiko is not 9 feet tall. And also, I think Kahn had a demonic face. (I know he didn't have a demonic face in MK:A but the MK movies don't follow the story the games did anyway.) And it just doesn't seem right that Reiko is Kahn.

I will admit that BenDover does have a good theory and I may buy it if it werent for my instincts making me believe that Reiko and Shao Kahn are 2 seperate ppl.

Hey Sub-Saibot look for carefully at Shao Kahn in either MK2 or MK3 and tell me if you can see Kahn's demonic face in a mask. I sure cant. But I do agree they arent the same person.

Zentile Wrote: Why follow the game instead of the game makers?

Well if we never see Kahn again, it would make sense to do that. There was a gameboy ending that flat out said Reiko was Kahn.

The game makers can sometimes contradict what in the game's story. So technically it makes more sense to follow the games and ignore what the makers say.

Well the gameboy version doesnt flat out says it but there can be no denying on that it meant that Reiko is Kahn, and BenDover is right, they do contridict there own story sometimes. Ill give a few examples on how they do it.

Example #1: On the ending of MK Mythologies it says how Shang Tsung invited Sub-Zero to compete in Mortal Kombat, however his MK1 ending suggests he was there for Shang Tsung's assassination.

Example #2: In the Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book (which is offical)suggests that Shang Tsung's island blew up after Liu defeated Shang Tsung, how is it the Earth warriors meet on Shang Tsung's island on the MKDA intro?

Example #3: In the Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book again, it shows Scorpion protecting Sub-Zero from Reptile and saying how he is now Sub-Zero's protector, but in MK4 he is still after Sub-Zero.

Example #4: In Cyrax's MKG bio it says he is rescued by the LIN KUEI from the dessert, in the konquest mode for Cyrax it suggests Sonya and Jax rescued him.

My point being, they do change the story around some so its better to go by the developers words sometimes.

BenDover Wrote: Zentile Wrote: Why follow the game instead of the game makers? Well if we never see Kahn again, it would make sense to do that. There was a gameboy ending that flat out said Reiko was Kahn. The game makers can sometimes contradict what in the game's story. So technically it makes more sense to follow the games and ignore what the makers say.

Valid point. But I just can't seem to live with the "Reiko is lame, forget about him" explaination.

Actually, when they ''contradict'' their own stories, they're just changing the story to what they think is right now.
So technically, RIGHT NOW, Reiko is not Kahn.
It makes no sense to follow the games instead of the game makers.

I see your point.

Well, to me Reiko isn't Kahn

I believe that he use a crown, like Shao Kahn. Maybe this is common for the governators of realms.

Shao Kahn governated Outworld, and has his crown. Now I presume that Reiko assumed the power in Netherealm, since Shinnok is death and Quan Chi was banned.

Zentile Wrote: Actually, when they ''contradict'' their own stories, they're just changing the story to what they think is right now. So technically, RIGHT NOW, Reiko is not Kahn.

Yeah, but they basically said "we don't care about Reiko". That's not really explaining him at all.

So when thinking about the future, you are right. Being that we will most likely never see Reiko again.

But what they have done in past games is really open to interpretation. And they clearly hinted that Reiko was Kahn in MK4, heck they even said it in the Gameboy version.

Also remember that the guys in the chat weren't the only one's involved in Reiko's story.

Here's the whole debate and all the info:
http://tabmok99.mk5.org/reikokahn.html

subzero961 Wrote: Example #1: On the ending of MK Mythologies it says how Shang Tsung invited Sub-Zero to compete in Mortal Kombat, however his MK1 ending suggests he was there for Shang Tsung's assassination. Example #2: In the Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book (which is offical)suggests that Shang Tsung's island blew up after Liu defeated Shang Tsung, how is it the Earth warriors meet on Shang Tsung's island on the MKDA intro? Example #3: In the Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book again, it shows Scorpion protecting Sub-Zero from Reptile and saying how he is now Sub-Zero's protector, but in MK4 he is still after Sub-Zero. Example #4: In Cyrax's MKG bio it says he is rescued by the LIN KUEI from the dessert, in the konquest mode for Cyrax it suggests Sonya and Jax rescued him.

Example #1:

It's a different Sub-Zero according to the story in MK Mythologies and the original MK.

Example #2:

Never believe the comic books. They are only based on the MK story, the events that happen inside them never actually happened as far as the game's story is concerned. Shang's island wasn't blown up in the original, the game make no reference to it.

Example #3:

Same as above. Although this is somewhat loosely based on Scorpion's ending in MK2. But the fact is, Scorpion didn't beat Shao Kahn in MK2, so the whole thing about him becoming Sub-Zero's protector never happened. Scorpion is still after Sub-Zero in MK4 because he still believes that it was Sub-Zero and the Lin Kuei that murdered his family (and then he later finds out it was Quan Chi, not Sub-Zero). Again a prime example not to believe the comic books.

Example #4:

This one isn't entirely clear...what we do know is that after Kahn's earth invasion Cyrax shut down in the desert where Sonya and Jax recovered him (recovered, not rescued). The Lin Kuei never gave him his soul back, Sub-Zero just reprogrammed him (but keep in mind Sub-Zero was no longer a member of the Lin Kuei by then...gack, it's getting complicated). It was Sonya and Jax that gave him back his soul, and it was then that he joined the Special Forces.

White_Pointer

Officially, the endings count more that what a couple of dudes say in a chatroom. And since the endings say Reiko was Kahn, there you have it.

Well just to clear some things up for one, the sub-zero in the mythologies game is the same sub-zero in mk1, 2nd most comic books are not offical to the storyline, however 3 comic books are and those are the Mortal Kombat 1 collectors comic book, Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book, and Mortal Kombat 4 collectors comic book, they are a part of the offical storyline and written by John Tobias, and the MK2 collectos comic book was the one i was referring to. 3rd i know sonya and jax gave his soul back but in his MKG bio it says the Lin Kuei got him out of the desert which contridicts how MK Conquest says that Jax and Sonya got him out of the desert.

White_Pointer Wrote: subzero961 Wrote: Example #1: On the ending of MK Mythologies it says how Shang Tsung invited Sub-Zero to compete in Mortal Kombat, however his MK1 ending suggests he was there for Shang Tsung's assassination. Example #2: In the Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book (which is offical)suggests that Shang Tsung's island blew up after Liu defeated Shang Tsung, how is it the Earth warriors meet on Shang Tsung's island on the MKDA intro? Example #3: In the Mortal Kombat 2 collectors comic book again, it shows Scorpion protecting Sub-Zero from Reptile and saying how he is now Sub-Zero's protector, but in MK4 he is still after Sub-Zero. Example #4: In Cyrax's MKG bio it says he is rescued by the LIN KUEI from the dessert, in the konquest mode for Cyrax it suggests Sonya and Jax rescued him. Example #1: It's a different Sub-Zero according to the story in MK Mythologies and the original MK. Example #2: Never believe the comic books. They are only based on the MK story, the events that happen inside them never actually happened as far as the game's story is concerned. Shang's island wasn't blown up in the original, the game make no reference to it. Example #3: Same as above. Although this is somewhat loosely based on Scorpion's ending in MK2. But the fact is, Scorpion didn't beat Shao Kahn in MK2, so the whole thing about him becoming Sub-Zero's protector never happened. Scorpion is still after Sub-Zero in MK4 because he still believes that it was Sub-Zero and the Lin Kuei that murdered his family (and then he later finds out it was Quan Chi, not Sub-Zero). Again a prime example not to believe the comic books. Example #4: This one isn't entirely clear...what we do know is that after Kahn's earth invasion Cyrax shut down in the desert where Sonya and Jax recovered him (recovered, not rescued). The Lin Kuei never gave him his soul back, Sub-Zero just reprogrammed him (but keep in mind Sub-Zero was no longer a member of the Lin Kuei by then...gack, it's getting complicated). It was Sonya and Jax that gave him back his soul, and it was then that he joined the Special Forces. White_Pointer

Scorpion DID make an oath to protect Sub-Zero. It's mentioned in UMK3's story. He just broke it once Quan Chi told him Sub killed his family.

it only mentions that he protected Sub-Zero in his ending which most likely did not happen seeing how when MK4 came he is not protecting Sub-Zero, but rather trying to gain revenge on him for killing his family.

How is it you say size doesn't matter.. it was clear in the MKDA intro that Kahn looked the same as he did in Trilogy.

subzero961 Wrote: Well to me the size of the characters is irrevelant, its just the size they decided to make them. True in MKT Kahn was much bigger but I think it was just their way of making him look more bosslike. Because in MK II Kahn was actually a little more closer to the size of the other kombatants. Also yes I know Kahn has a demonic face but you dont really see it when he has mask on. Sub-Saibot Wrote: No, Shao Kahn was like 9 feet tall! Play MK: Trilogy and either play as Shao Kahn or wait until you have to fight him, and compare the height of Kahn, to the regular fighter. And Reiko is not 9 feet tall. And also, I think Kahn had a demonic face. (I know he didn't have a demonic face in MK:A but the MK movies don't follow the story the games did anyway.) And it just doesn't seem right that Reiko is Kahn.

size doesnt matter, because if it did that would mean he had to have grown a lot between the short time between mk2 and mk3, just look at any picture in MK2, he isnt very much bigger than any other kombatant, besides the person who says he is like 9 ft tall is exaggerating too, have any idea how tall 9 ft tall is?