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08/04/2003 08:37 AM (UTC)
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BenDover Wrote:
Sorry, I know this is old as the hills, but I just had a bit of a revelation about this. Just think about what MK4 hints at, and forget what team MK says about it. Follow the games, not them.

Shao Kahn wanted to win MK4 and become champion. Maybe he didn't want Liu Kang to be champ. Maybe he wanted to make sure Quan and Shinnok didn't become too powerful, that would threaten his future plans. So he enters the tournament in disguise, as Reiko. Much in the same manner that Raiden enters the tournaments, but in disguise. But Shao Kahn/Reiko doesn't win.

Then we all see him eat it in MKDA, so it all fits. Simple really.

"Listen to the games, not them?"
Dude, they MADE the games! That's like saying don't listen to the games! Shao Kahn is about 9 feet! Unless he had a MAJOR shrinkage in a period of 2 years, he is definetly NOT Kahn!
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Subzero_5th
08/04/2003 03:20 PM (UTC)
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OH MAN!!!!!!!! I WAS JUST PRAYING THAT THERE WILL NEVER EVER BE ANOTHER REIKO/KAHN TOPIC!!!!!!!!

Reiko is not Shao Kahn. Screw what the Gameboy and PS endings hinted. Boon was the first to say that the ending was just to add an elemental mystery to the character and that Reiko is actually one of Kahn's minions. Vogel even said there's a connection between the 2 and that they are seperate people.
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08/04/2003 10:48 PM (UTC)
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I swear people never read fight night...
from the MK team.

[22:45] The_Purple_Bunny asks: 'Guys, to possibly clear once and for all, what is the official statement on Reiko. Is he Shao Kahn, or not?'
[22:45] no he is not shao kahn, but he is associated with him


Does anyone need it any more clearer?
The gb mk4 was not written by the team but by the people who ported it.
Most of the team in previous interviews admit the mk4 ending was basically a joke and to start rumors.
Hopefully this topic will die.
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08/04/2003 11:00 PM (UTC)
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Thank you RedSoul im tire of seeing this kind of post sad
redsoul Wrote:
I swear people never read fight night...
from the MK team.

[22:45] The_Purple_Bunny asks: 'Guys, to possibly clear once and for all, what is the official statement on Reiko. Is he Shao Kahn, or not?'
[22:45] no he is not shao kahn, but he is associated with him

Does anyone need it any more clearer?
The gb mk4 was not written by the team but by the people who ported it.
Most of the team in previous interviews admit the mk4 ending was basically a joke and to start rumors.
Hopefully this topic will die.

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Sub-Zero_7th
08/05/2003 12:17 AM (UTC)
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Well I think redsoul cleared things up for us quite well don't you think everyone?
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08/05/2003 02:08 AM (UTC)
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If I recall the cocreator said Reiko was not Kahn. That should have been the fucking end of this.
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08/05/2003 03:33 AM (UTC)
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http://tabmok99.mk5.org/reikokahn.html

^^Read all of that to see where I'm coming from.

The MK4 PSX/Gold ending hinted he was Kahn, the Gameboy ending confirmed that he was Kahn. Since the games themselves overide what some dude randomly says in a chatroom, Reiko was Kahn.
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08/05/2003 03:40 AM (UTC)
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It wasn't randomly said, it was spoken from John Vogel, who is in charge of the MK Storyline. He decided that Reiko was a waste of a character, so regardless of whatever any other game says, you can pretty much consider him having died in MK4. If the MK team hates the character as much as the players do, I don't see much you're gonna get from debated on an aspect of that character that will likely never be resolved.
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08/05/2003 04:08 AM (UTC)
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The_Purple_Bunny Wrote:
It wasn't randomly said, it was spoken from John Vogel, who is in charge of the MK Storyline. He decided that Reiko was a waste of a character, so regardless of whatever any other game says, you can pretty much consider him having died in MK4. If the MK team hates the character as much as the players do, I don't see much you're gonna get from debated on an aspect of that character that will likely never be resolved.


But it is resolved, that's my point. Vogel isn't the only one working on the storyline, and I don't think he had anything to do with the gameboy ending. But that doesn't mean the ending isn't valid.

All the MK team said was basically that Reiko sucks so we likely won't see any more of him. But as far as the games endings are concerned, Reiko was Kahn. That fact that he sucks doesn't change that.
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08/05/2003 06:03 AM (UTC)
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he was Shao Kahn? So who is he now? Sheeva?

Sure the GBC ending is very convincing, but once a creator of MK says "no, he's not Kahn"... then thats that. If your going to say he's Kahn, then your messing with the real MK storyline.
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08/05/2003 06:22 AM (UTC)
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The height perspectives are off for all the characters. Go play mkda. Raiden is spose to be 7 feet tall put him beside Kitana and check the difference... there is none. Shao Kahn was bigger then the fighters in mk2 and is perportion to the rest of the fighters was pretty much the same in mk3.
Edit: Forgot to add the original posters text this is abou Kahn's size change as well as the perspective from other characters.
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08/05/2003 06:26 AM (UTC)
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Sea_Serpent Wrote:
Sure the GBC ending is very convincing, but once a creator of MK says "no, he's not Kahn"... then thats that. If your going to say he's Kahn, then your messing with the real MK storyline.


Exactly! Let this Reiko is Kahn shit die. It's very annoying.
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08/05/2003 06:30 AM (UTC)
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Nikodemus Wrote:
The height perspectives are off for all the characters. Go play mkda. Raiden is spose to be 7 feet tall put him beside Kitana and check the difference...


I hope you know what you just said was an irrelavent statement. There were fighting stances in MK:DA, therefore, some characters were crotched down or standing up right, based on their fighting styles. So, that doesn't really say/prove anything.
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08/05/2003 06:36 AM (UTC)
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If your going to say he's Kahn, then your messing with the real MK storyline.

Those chats are messing with the real MK storyline. The real MK storyline comes from the games.
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08/05/2003 09:19 AM (UTC)
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Ok so first Ed Boon says he's not Kahn and explains why the mysterious ending was made. The Kahn/Reiko people blow it off by saying he doesn't count since he doesn't write the stories.

Then the guy who DOES write the stories says he's not Kahn and he is also blown off.


So what's it going to take? Do they need to put in a cut scene where Kahn returns from the grave dances a little jig and then holds up a large neon sign that says "I AM NOT REIKO~!"?

The fact that there is absolutely no mention of Reiko in the MKDA storyline should have killed this theory.
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08/05/2003 12:13 PM (UTC)
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Nikodemus Wrote:
The height perspectives are off for all the characters. Go play mkda. Raiden is spose to be 7 feet tall put him beside Kitana and check the difference... there is none.


You DO realise that Raiden's stances are more crouched down while Kitana stands more upright? If they are the same height there, don't you think that if Raiden stood to his full height he'd be taller?

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subzero961
08/05/2003 01:32 PM (UTC)
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Reiko is NOT Kahn thats all there is to it, Reiko=Reiko and Kahn=Kahn. Now let the subject drop because even the all knowing creators of the game agree with me here.
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08/05/2003 02:37 PM (UTC)
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Quan Chi is also a tall character at 6 feet 7 inchest tall and stands very strait in his TSD fighting style. He isn't any taller then Frost or Li Mei whom are much shorter.
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Nikodemus Wrote:
The height perspectives are off for all the characters. Go play mkda. Raiden is spose to be 7 feet tall put him beside Kitana and check the difference... there is none.

You DO realise that Raiden's stances are more crouched down while Kitana stands more upright? If they are the same height there, don't you think that if Raiden stood to his full height he'd be taller?

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08/05/2003 04:06 PM (UTC)
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BenDover Wrote:
http://tabmok99.mk5.org/reikokahn.html

^^Read all of that to see where I'm coming from.

The MK4 PSX/Gold ending hinted he was Kahn, the Gameboy ending confirmed that he was Kahn. Since the games themselves overide what some dude randomly says in a chatroom, Reiko was Kahn.

wow, I can't believe someone is still thinking he's kahn after what the creators said about him, REIKO NOT BEING KAHN and the game ending in gameboy mk4 was written by the people who ported the game(not midway or the mkteam)!
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08/05/2003 11:27 PM (UTC)
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redsoul Wrote:
wow, I can't believe someone is still thinking he's kahn after what the creators said about him, REIKO NOT BEING KAHN and the game ending in gameboy mk4 was written by the people who ported the game(not midway or the mkteam)!


I doesn't matter if it was the people who ported it, it's an official ending. If team MK didn't want Reiko being Kahn then they shouldn't have allowed the ending. But they did, so Reiko is Kahn, wheter they like it or not.
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08/05/2003 11:33 PM (UTC)
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So you're telling the MK team how to make the MK story? It's their game, their story. They can make a game that would show an FMV, text, story, whatever, that could show that Reiko isn't Kahn, and you would still argue it? It's their story, they can do what they want with it.

Forgive my attitude, but I don't like the idea of you or anyone acting like they can tell the MK team how to do their own storyline like that.
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08/05/2003 11:38 PM (UTC)
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Sakura Wrote:
The fact that there is absolutely no mention of Reiko in the MKDA storyline should have killed this theory.


This is really simple. Kahn disguised himself as Reiko to fight in the MK4 tournament. Then in MKDA it confirms that Kahn is still alive, even though he gets whacked in the intro. Since he was alive during MK4, him being Reiko in MK4 isn't a conflict.

So the fact that Reiko wasn't mentioned in MKDA doesn't kill the theory at all, it just doesn't talk about it. But since the MK4 endings do, then that's what's stands.
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08/05/2003 11:41 PM (UTC)
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The_Purple_Bunny Wrote:
So you're telling the MK team how to make the MK story? It's their game, their story. They can make a game that would show an FMV, text, story, whatever, that could show that Reiko isn't Kahn, and you would still argue it?


No I wouldn't. In fact, they made 2 endings that confirm Reiko was Kahn, and you are arguing with it.
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08/06/2003 01:20 AM (UTC)
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And yet when they decide that they want nothing to do with Reiko, and that they will likely never have him as Kahn because Reiko was, to them, a waste of a character, you argue it.

Is there a reason this is biting at you so much? Just coming here and saying that Reiko is Kahn when you have almost 0 chance of convincing anyone who believes differently is someone just doing nothing but passing time isn't it? I don't believe he was ever Kahn. Maybe supposed to have been, but Reiko didn't get the popularity he was expected to, and the MK team decided to not go through with it. And again, it's THEIR story. If they don't want Reiko to be Kahn, then they do NOT have to follow that storyline.

I don't see you getting even a few new followers out of this. I believe what I belive, and I don't believe what you've told me will change it.
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08/06/2003 01:52 AM (UTC)
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BenDover Wrote:
In fact, they made 2 endings that confirm Reiko was Kahn, and you are arguing with it.


You're a hipocrit! We have been trying to tell you that one of the people that worked on the game said that Reiko wasn't Kahn, but yet still you argue with us!
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