

MK2KungBroken Wrote: Sonya's leg grab has AMAZING range in MK1, I don't know what version you've been playing, but arcade, the leg grab is top tier. And her sweep is unpunishable. Matt |
I'm talking when we play against a human player, not the computer, against the computer of course, someone use the jump kick and the leg grab in a combo against the computer and he will do ton of damage, but a good human player will always see the leg grab come from a mile away, just like Cage nut punch.
Also Sonya probably have some of the less useful jump punches in the game along with the ninjas.
Her sweep are good of course, but like I said MK is well balanced, but I prefer to talk about tier.
Top tier: Sub-Zero, Cage
second tier: Scorpion, Raiden
third tier: Sonya, Kano, Liu Kang


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Sektor you probably think is good because of smart missiles. Well people who use constant smart missiles will constantly be beaten down. If you run in and combo Sektor with something like a 3 hit kick combo, the missile will explode on you and you will take no damage, even if you HK the air, as long as the kick finishes and the missiles hits you while you're in recovery frames, you'll take no damage. When it comes down to it, why would you pick Sektor when you could have Robot Smoke? He might not have a launcher combo, but how many of you even knew that Sektor has a launcher combo? Human Smoke has an air throw, containment move, invisibility, and he fricken smokes, how cool is that?
Sorry, just answering why those characters are not good.
Human Smoke's sole advantage over Scorpion is in fact the launcher combo, if he didn't have that, he'd be ranked far lower.
Matt
if an outstanding shang player played against an outstanding kabal player, kabal WILL win 99.9% of the time based on kabal being a better character. of course there's upsets that do happen. but the chances of them happening are very very slim.
just play with who you like and are best with. chances are 99% of the people here will never play against high level players or national tournaments and because of that, tier lists will never be an issue. just realize that they ARE there and top tiers WILL win national tournaments. even with online play tier lists will probably never be an issue. online play with fighting games is more of a guessing game due to lag than it is a strategy. so unless you plan to enter national tournaments or plan to play high level, forget about them. they're not worth stressing over.


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what was the deal with the Ice Clone? Are there any set rules that explain when an Ice Clone will work and when it will just disappear? I'm guessing that they wanted to take out the Deep Jump Kick / Ice Clone re-freeze thing, but there are plenty of other situations where the ice clone just disappears. I hated that. Do you think Unkmasked Sub have been top-teir if they left the Clone the way it was?
Johnny Cage is next.
The weakest I believe were easily Scorpion and Sub-Zero. Too slow, easily avoid any of their moves, etc.
In Mk2 Mileena is definitely the best. Jax coming very close. Again, the weak characters were Scorpion, Sub-Zero and Reptile. This ninjas had very short-range hits and were slow.
This is a list of the TOP TIER CHARACTERS:
MK1:
1.Sonya Blade
2.Johnny Cage
3.Kano
MK2:
1.Mileena
2.Jax
3.Liu Kang
LOW:
10.Sub-Zero
11.Scorpion
12.Reptile
MK3:
1.Sub-Zero
2.Jax
3.Kabal
4.Sonya
5.Nightwolf
MK4:
1.Tanya (SHE is actually VERY VERY good in this game!!!)
2.Jarek
3.Sonya
4.Raiden
MKDA:
1.Scorpion
2.Bo Rai Cho
3.Reptile
4.Sonya
5.Drahmin


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queve Wrote:
MK2:
1.Mileena
2.Jax
3.Liu Kang
LOW:
10.Sub-Zero
11.Scorpion
12.Reptile
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I'm with you on the top 3, but I don't know about Scorpion in the BOTTOM three. I always felt like his Air Throw had amazing priority, and the timing made it deadly... no precise taps or anything, I just jump up and hold BLOCK and it works almost every time. And if you land a turnaround jump kick, reasonably deep enough, you can combo into a teleport, spear, uppercut for ridiculous damage. With good timing you could also to an anti-air standing HP into the same combo (teleport, spear, uppercut). Plus the ninjas in general had really good roundhouse kicks.


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Also Human Smoke is better then Scorpion. They are the same except Smoke has a pop up combo which makes him alot better since he can juggle easily while Scorpion can't as easily. Smoke's like an upgraded version of Scorpion, so anyone saying Scorpion is higher definitely did not use Smoke's juggle to their fullist.
BustaUppa Wrote: queve Wrote:MK2: 1.Mileena 2.Jax 3.Liu Kang LOW: 10.Sub-Zero 11.Scorpion 12.Reptile ----------------------------------------------- I'm with you on the top 3, but I don't know about Scorpion in the BOTTOM three. I always felt like his Air Throw had amazing priority, and the timing made it deadly... no precise taps or anything, I just jump up and hold BLOCK and it works almost every time. And if you land a turnaround jump kick, reasonably deep enough, you can combo into a teleport, spear, uppercut for ridiculous damage. With good timing you could also to an anti-air standing HP into the same combo (teleport, spear, uppercut). Plus the ninjas in general had really good roundhouse kicks. |
Im not good explaining all this but Im sure MK2KungBroken can tell you why better then me. The truth is Scorpion sucked badly in mk1 and mk2.
He was better in MKU/T, not one of the best, in Mk4 he was mid I think or low, not sure, and in MKDA he was finally the best.


Her leg grab was devastating(it did more damage then Kano cannonball for example), so I can conceed that she is more powerful then Kano or Liu Kang, but she is NO way superior to a Rayden or Scorpion who are bottom tier characters.
Her leg grab had limited range(a bit more then Cage nut punch, but less then the main moves of all the other fighters in the game) and she had horrible jump punch, not useful at all to win battles.
Sonya was easily top tier in MK4 and MKDA not in MK1... It was so fun for me to destroy Sonya players with Scorpion or Rayden at the time...
RasAlGhul Wrote: no way that Sonya was top tier in MK1... her sweeps are not more devastating then the sweep of any other characters(not enough to give her a real advantage). Her leg grab was devastating(it did more damage then Kano cannonball for example), so I can conceed that she is more powerful then Kano or Liu Kang, but she is NO way superior to a Rayden or Scorpion who are bottom tier characters. Her leg grab had limited range(a bit more then Cage nut punch, but less then the main moves of all the other fighters in the game) and she had horrible jump punch, not useful at all to win battles. Sonya was easily top tier in MK4 and MKDA not in MK1... It was so fun for me to destroy Sonya players with Scorpion or Rayden at the time... |
There is a lot of people who know about this more then me, like _Neo_. He is considered one of the top mk players I think.
Sonya is Top Tier. This I ignored, beilive me, I knew nothing, but after playing with her and reading what he said, it was true.
She is top tier in Mk1. The best.
Scorpion is low, probably mid but not the best.

RasAlGhul Wrote: no way that Sonya was top tier in MK1... her sweeps are not more devastating then the sweep of any other characters(not enough to give her a real advantage). Her leg grab was devastating(it did more damage then Kano cannonball for example), so I can conceed that she is more powerful then Kano or Liu Kang, but she is NO way superior to a Rayden or Scorpion who are bottom tier characters. Her leg grab had limited range(a bit more then Cage nut punch, but less then the main moves of all the other fighters in the game) and she had horrible jump punch, not useful at all to win battles. Sonya was easily top tier in MK4 and MKDA not in MK1... It was so fun for me to destroy Sonya players with Scorpion or Rayden at the time... |
Sonya is top tier in all Mk games.
Mk1 she is the best.
Mk3/U/T she is top tier, not the best.
Mk4/G definitely Top Tier, Tanya is the best.
MKDA DEFINITELY Top Tier.
In Mk1 her sweep and leg grab made her invinsible!
toxicvirus Wrote: RasAlGhul Wrote: no way that Sonya was top tier in MK1... her sweeps are not more devastating then the sweep of any other characters(not enough to give her a real advantage). Her leg grab was devastating(it did more damage then Kano cannonball for example), so I can conceed that she is more powerful then Kano or Liu Kang, but she is NO way superior to a Rayden or Scorpion who are bottom tier characters. Her leg grab had limited range(a bit more then Cage nut punch, but less then the main moves of all the other fighters in the game) and she had horrible jump punch, not useful at all to win battles. Sonya was easily top tier in MK4 and MKDA not in MK1... It was so fun for me to destroy Sonya players with Scorpion or Rayden at the time... Sonya is top tier in all Mk games. Mk1 she is the best. Mk3/U/T she is top tier, not the best. Mk4/G definitely Top Tier, Tanya is the best. MKDA DEFINITELY Top Tier. In Mk1 her sweep and leg grab made her invinsible! |
Back in the mk1 days when i USED TO HATE HER so much, I played with her the most, why? She owned that game.
Scorp and Sub (my fave in those days) were weak. Cool, but weak.
Cage is definitely one of the best, second, his VERY long hits are awesome and his moves amazing.
Kano was very good.
Ninjas were bad in the first 2 games.
All everyone says is that her leg grab and her sweep are good. That doesn't make her a top tier to me.
I'll give her the leg grab since that is definitely a great move but her sweep is nothing super. Also anyone that just sweeps all the time is just cheap, hell anyone can sweep. I only see her having great advantage with the leg grab and that's not enough to make her the best in MK1.
I think some of these tier lists are messed up. Kabal top tier in UMK3? Yea right, unless you're playing against someone who has slow reflexes or is always off guard then Kabal loses that spin advantage easily. He's good but not top tier in UMK3. He can be shut down too easily and then has to go into defensive play with someone who knows how to use the block button.


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Again, clearly, and anyone will back me up on it, Kabal is the best character in UMK3 hands down. Anyone saying the contrary is not versed enough in UMK3 to even begin to pose a legit argument. The very fact that you are so cautious about being spun is going to be your downfall. You cannot rush down Kabal. If you run in, and block expecting a spin, then he can run jab you (something you've probably never experienced) and the moment you release block you're going to get spun, and if you never do, you'll get run jabbed to death. I'm not saying it's impossible to beat Kabal, but that is the reason he's top tier. Effectiveness::effort ratio.
Queve, about your Neo comment, that is funny, I am easily 10 times the player he is, he'll make up all kinds of excuses and what not, like controller issues, or lag AND controller issues online, but the fact of the matter is, I played him online and beat him 13 to 2, and all he used was Nightwolf and Kabal, while I random selected. Also, my friend the Prophet beat him down in MKT at NEC4. Neo is definitely the best MKDA player there is (and mostly because of lack on interest), but UMK3, he is way out of his league, I don't think he was ever a really good player at it in all honesty, he didn't seem to have the natural ability. He just goes by what he hears and doesn't fully understand what application is.
Sonya's unpunishable sweep, range and damage of her leg grag, fast HK, good uppercut, and to a lesser extent easy/fast projectile make her top tier. Her leg grab has a half screen reach distance, while Johnny Cage's low blow you have to be stepping on the foot of the other person to connect it, so I don't know where that "It only has a little more range than" thing came from.
Matt


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here is my character balance ranking for MK4: fell free to tell me your opinion...
1st tier: Sub-Zero, Sonya, Tanya, Jarek
2nd tier: Liu Kang, Fujin, Raiden, Scorpion, Quan Chi, Reiko
3rd tier: Shinnock, Kai, Reptile, Jax, Cage


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In UMK3 and MKT, there are plenty of characters, and when you talk about tier lists, you need to put characters into a group, not a numeric listing of who's the best because that is impossible. However, it is possible to say what characters can fight against others on a level, to almost level playing field. In this case, there isn't any room for "But this character is better" because you're not saying who is better, you're saying who is in the group of really good, good, and not so good, characters. This is why I present them as actual tiers, think of a shelf, with a bunch of characters on it, then a shelf below it, and one below that. Select any two characters from one shelf, and you will have a good match. That is tier ranking. This numeric listing of characters is just "Who do you think is good" or "who do you use well" not really, who is the "weakest". There's a huge difference between who someone sucks with, and who is the weakest by design.
Matt


but it depends of the version we play, it was not the case on the game boy version, but on the PC version yes, sonya can leg grab if she block the slide. it makes Sonya stronger then I was thinking.
However after a slide is block it's impossible to do an upper-cut but we can do one after blocking sonya leg grab(and it's damaging).


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