mastermalone Wrote: I was also an attendee at this years E3 and I played the game for approximately 4 hours total between both days that I attended. Yes, at that point the game was no where near what its going to be. According to the team, ther is qute a bit of content that was not displayed (gameplay and "fluff") due to just having a playable demo in time for E3 purposes. I was also worried about the core gameplay as I am an avid player of Cvs2 and Streetfighter 3: 3rd strike. I remember attending the 2002 E3 and playing Deadly Alliance and thinking.. Yuk! But when it was released I gave it a chance and they beefed it up quite a bit. The change was very drastic from beta to final product even though it was lacking in some gameplay areas. It was practically unplayable at E3 at the time. So I epect the same thing to happen to Deception. Well on with my 2 cents: So durring my little fight session with Paolo Garcia,(who by the way seems unstopable with Sub-Zero) I questioned him about all of the play mechanics that many of you are so sure will not be in the game. The entire team knows that hardcore fans of fighters like us need these play mechanics ie: frames, counters, multiple throw options, high/low mixups and freedom of custom made combos. To my relief they play Cvs2 among other fighters and they know what they need to do. The whole purpose of those exhibits at E3 is to gather consumer feed back. Believe me when I say that they have heard your cries and have informed me of high and low thows, a countering system for high/mid/low attacks, that combo breaker thing, better unblockable throws, and foward/back dashing. There will probaly be more additions but who knows, only time will tell. On a side note Paolo asked a group of us if we thought the death traps were too cheap, of course I said yes they were. I offered a suggestion, they should only be permited in the final round and only a solid hard hitting move should be the only way to activate them. As far as those other two game modes are concerned...stop worrying abut those modes taking away from precious gameplay fine tuning. Those modes are being handled by two different teams besides Boons team. After meeting with and speaking to Ed Boon (nice guy) and some of his staff, I now realize the tremedous effort they are putting into this project and I applaud them for their efforts. remeber guys, they are working with the second generation of their fighting engine when VF has had eight itterations of its engine since its conception and Tekken has had 5. I am in now way expecting a miracle but I beleive we will get a fairly decent game. Just like the other guy stated: Don't flame each other, just respect each others opinions and reply with mature responses. Take care people and see you online (Xbox-live) Gamer Tag: I AM YOURDEATH...

Now I'm really looking forward to this game. Thanks for the info.

mastermalone Wrote: ...Just like the other guy stated: Don't flame each other, just respect each others opinions and reply with mature responses...

That was me

For one dumb ass, colguile is saying he knows for a given fact its gonna be the same as DA. Which its not true or can't be proven until October.

Thats why I believe the other guy you stupid fuck. So don't explode on me. IF YOUR SUCH A LOVER FOR SC,VF,T,and the other gay fighters then go play em and get the fuck out of MK and saying your die hard fans because your not. You want the rest us MK lovers to agree with you.

I think it's great to see MK do wat they do they put more in a game then any other fighter. Death traps, 2 different fatalities, Stage Fatalities, A great story line, 2 mini games, a Konquest, 3 different fighting styles switchable durin in game play, Different costumes, and great twists, and don't forget the endings.

Now that's a lot a shit for a game also the fighter isn't that bad and it's not great but who cares the games the funest fighter out there and doesn't get boring after you play it for hours. It's nice to see the fighter get better every game now and don;t say it hasn't and don;t say its not for MKD until you play the fucking game.

Raiden, the fact that you want people not to ask for a better system simply is beyond me. Every other fighting game community always demands more and they always get more. Us asking for a better fighting system is more useful than many of the threads on this board asking for returning characters, fatalities, etc.

Also, the problem is DA IS BORING after playing it for awhile. I do not find myself picking up DA even 2 hours a week to play. All the stuff that people keep asking for wear off in about a week. A deeper fighting system is what keeps people playing, not the extras, both me and you know that.

MENTHOL Wrote: Raiden_is_god Wrote: I bow to you. Because this is 100% right on especially if you talked with the guys. Screw ColGuile he's a retard he didn't talk to the MK guys he doesn't know shit. He isn't on the MK crew until he has hard evidence and stops going with probability I don't want to hear it. Im gonna LMAO when the game does come out and its changed from DA. How can Colguile be wrong with no hard evidence and you believe what another person said with no hard evidence? Oh, I know, That other person is supporting your side of the "debate" so he must be right. Hypocritical, yes? Of course it is.

Lets get something straight. You don't know me from Adam and thats a a fact. But what is also a fact is that I had the opportunity to speak to some of the team members on this project as well as Ed Boon. I was able to voice every one of these gameplay concerns to them so you can take my information as you will. I am not posting on this board to gain popularity which would be nerdy and rediculous as I have nothing to gain from it.

I am simply reporting to all of you what I was told. Thats straight from the horses mouth.

Take care.

sigh.. i see alot ppl sayin "dont say anything bad about mk:D until u play it" well even though most of us havent played it yet..we still have the video clips n previews they send us which is no different...so stop bitching anyway.. from watchin the videos i see that the BIG issue they really got to fix is the impact system..the impact system is one of the things that messed up mk:da..sadly i still see it in mk:d....tekken,vf,and sc all have a good impact system.. thats y when u play those games the fighting seems to flow....not like mk:da where the fighters seemed stiff..in mk:d and mk:da it seems like ur only pushing the fighter away when u hit them...take one example the jump kick..in a normal situation if someone was to jumpkick u their body weight would make u fall back to the ground..well in mk:da and MK:d when someone gets jumpkicked all they do is lean back and magically slide back forming a shape like a C with their body....like their doin yoga or soemthing.. if someone jumpkicks u ur suppose to fall back to the ground not lean back and all this bonceing off the floor 6 ft high when hit over the head has got to go..they got make the impacts seem real and they need to create an impact system dat all the fighters follow like tekken and other fighters....that would help the fighting flow more and after they do that then they can go on to the fighting engine...which is a whole different issue...

Again you ignorence is show in droves.

#1- When did ever state that I want MK to play like another fighter. Find that for me.

#2- Can I safely assume that MKD will play as was shown at E3. Yep. Will I? Yep. IF so much work has been done after MKDA then I would assume the extras like konquest, krypt, pullze shit, and chess would have the final touches being put on it NOW rather than the final revamping on the engine being done now. I ablsoutely assume that that the game will play as shown at E3 for two reasons:

1- To lessen the blow when I do play it. I am not expecting too much from this MK.

2- The things I have seen over the YEARS in fighters including MK lead me to assume this will play as shown. Which is sad.

I don't want anyone to agree with me. I'm expressing my opinion towards the gameplay. You quoted me buddy. My feelings on this game are well established. Untill I see a DRASTIC change in the gameplay and a expo of some sort showing the higher ends of the core gameplay I will not change my mind. Why? They have done nothing to make think otherwise.

Most of the things you mentioned about MK do not add to the actual fighting experience. And those that you did mention that do add to the gameplay are cosmetic garbage. WTF is the point in having 100 different styles if only 3 can be used in actual fighting? You strike me as a scrub.

I can easily name 10 fighters that offer the tried and ture test of great, deep, multi-tiered gameplay while at the same time, they were released were top of the line in the fighting genre in all aspects. Games that are still played WORLDWIDE in nationals. MK is not one of them.

I need not wait until october to see how this game will play. Broken...broken as hell.

Raiden_is_god Wrote: For one dumb ass, colguile is saying he knows for a given fact its gonna be the same as DA. Which its not true or can't be proven until October. Thats why I believe the other guy you stupid fuck. So don't explode on me. IF YOUR SUCH A LOVER FOR SC,VF,T,and the other gay fighters then go play em and get the fuck out of MK and saying your die hard fans because your not. You want the rest us MK lovers to agree with you. I think it's great to see MK do wat they do they put more in a game then any other fighter. Death traps, 2 different fatalities, Stage Fatalities, A great story line, 2 mini games, a Konquest, 3 different fighting styles switchable durin in game play, Different costumes, and great twists, and don't forget the endings. Now that's a lot a shit for a game also the fighter isn't that bad and it's not great but who cares the games the funest fighter out there and doesn't get boring after you play it for hours. It's nice to see the fighter get better every game now and don;t say it hasn't and don;t say its not for MKD until you play the fucking game.

You know wat I was talking to Menthol when i sent that also screw this thread it's dumb and all it does is put down MK. I never said i didn't want the system better i said stop ur bitching i would like to see u do better. SO I no longer care if u put MK down go ahead because u think this guy made it up that he went to E3 he said to make him self popular that would be dumb. WTF I went to E3 I was holding up the sign that said u were a dumbass because no longer I care wat u say this is a great game yes it needs improvements but don;t ever compare it to other fighters all they have is a more depth fighting system. That is it and MK system doesm't suck its not great but then it doesn't suck. Half you aren;t requesting a better fighting system ur saying it sucks that u don't no how the game survives maybe because it has more uniqueness then any other game. I'm not in love with the fighting system I was shocked to see it in DA I thought it was cool to see it the best one for MK yet then u think it's gonna be the same. So send me where boon says we are going to keep the fighting system the same as MKDA until u can or u play the game I don't care.

Thanks for the heads up, mastermalone. I just wish someone would have stated something this informative earlier.

However, I am now a bit worried that this is nothing more than a psuedo security. I saw things in the vids which surprised me; CH's, what seamed to be guard break. But the absolute skankish residue of filth that was DA, still resides in my mouth...I find it difficult to imagine something great coming from that.

I've said it before and I'll say it agian, I hope I'm wrong and if I am I'll gladly eat my words, but I'm still extremely skeptical.

Raiden, most of the people on this thread HAVE BEEN asking for a better system. Even you, who constantly makes threads about fatalities and whatnot ASK for what you want, so let us do the same. The people on this thread represent the few who DO actually play MKDA for more than a month and DO actually care about where it's headed. You can accept whatever that's handed to you, that's nice. Because that is the majority of what MK fans will do, hype up MK until it releases, ohh and ahh for a month, then go away. Some for even 1-2 weeks.

The people on this thread are the REAL FANS, the ones who are stuck with the gameplay a month after its released and still play it regularly. WE ask for a better fighting system because you know what? EVERY other fighting game community that wants to see their FAVORITE series get better does also.

Comparisons are used to identify problems as well as give suggestions. People on this thread have reiterated time and time again that they do not want MK to be like other games, neither do I. However, that is no excuse to ignore the fundamentals that MK lacks.

If you have been keeping up with the fighting game scene, time and time again people have been talking about how Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution's mechanics are better than Tekken 4's. Guess what? Tekken 4's system is getting many new additions like the sabaki/crush system, more streamlining of moves, rebalancing, etc. in Tekken 5. Why should we not do the same so MK gets a better system?

Raiden_is_god Wrote: but don;t ever compare it to other fighters all they have is a more depth fighting system.

man we can compare mk:d to other fighters all we want cuz they all fall in the same catagory/genre: FIGHTING
and face it mk:ds system is still lacking...maybe it would of been good for the year 99 or 2000 but this is 2004 todays fighters have everything that mkd mostly likely wont...complex counters and reversals multpile throws..etc etc boon has to step his game up...this is a whole new generation of fighters..it ait the days of mk2 nomore fighters r geting more and more complex every year.. boon is stuck between those 2 generations... he has to keep up with technology and the advances in the fighting genre..if he wants mk to last..

Raiden_is_god Wrote: You know wat I was talking to Menthol when i sent that also screw this thread it's dumb and all it does is put down MK. I never said i didn't want the system better i said stop ur bitching i would like to see u do better. SO I no longer care if u put MK down go ahead because u think this guy made it up that he went to E3 he said to make him self popular that would be dumb. WTF I went to E3 I was holding up the sign that said u were a dumbass because no longer I care wat u say this is a great game yes it needs improvements but don;t ever compare it to other fighters all they have is a more depth fighting system. That is it and MK system doesm't suck its not great but then it doesn't suck. Half you aren;t requesting a better fighting system ur saying it sucks that u don't no how the game survives maybe because it has more uniqueness then any other game. I'm not in love with the fighting system I was shocked to see it in DA I thought it was cool to see it the best one for MK yet then u think it's gonna be the same. So send me where boon says we are going to keep the fighting system the same as MKDA until u can or u play the game I don't care.

Let me quote from that. "I never said i didn't want the system better i said stop ur bitching". So you want a better fighting system but keeping quiet about it is the best thing to do. Hmmm. Ok, guys. New rule. Don't complain about anything at all. Think about it but don't actually do it. That way we'll get what we want.

If anybody here has some gameplay ideas, you should post them in my thread

Just click on my sig.

Satyagraha Wrote: Thanks for the heads up, mastermalone. I just wish someone would have stated something this informative earlier. However, I am now a bit worried that this is nothing more than a psuedo security. I saw things in the vids which surprised me; CH's, what seamed to be guard break. But the absolute skankish residue of filth that was DA, still resides in my mouth...I find it difficult to imagine something great coming from that. I've said it before and I'll say it agian, I hope I'm wrong and if I am I'll gladly eat my words, but I'm still extremely skeptical.

I feel the same way about many of the gameplay issues from DA that you do. But I did manage to find a little enjoment out of it. Judging by all of the posts I would imagine that many of you here found some charm in it likewise. But we all yearned for that extra "umph" in the play mechanics to make it tournament worthy. I can tell that all of you have a serious love for the series and its' characters like I do because if you did't you would't post on this board.

That is something that all of the all of us need to recognize before we question another member of this boards' devotion to the series. Remember guys, it's up to those animators and code writers to translate what they told us at the show into actual gameplay that can be respected. Here's to hoping for the best.

Take care guys, and keep your fingers crossed.

man we can compare mk:d to other fighters all we want cuz they all fall in the same catagory/genre: FIGHTING and face it mk:ds system is still lacking...maybe it would of been good for the year 99 or 2000 but this is 2004 todays fighters have everything that mkd mostly likely wont...complex counters and reversals multpile throws..etc etc boon has to step his game up...this is a whole new generation of fighters..it ait the days of mk2 nomore fighters r geting more and more complex every year.. boon is stuck between those 2 generations... he has to keep up with technology and the advances in the fighting genre..if he wants mk to last..

You speak the gospel truth.

When people say that we should compare MK with other fighting games, to me, they're just blowing smoke. MK is...um...a fighting game. Why the heck would'nt you compare it with another fighting game. I certainly would'nt compare it with Grand Turismo.
The simple fact that Mortal Kombat was brought back to life, in a modern genre of 3D causes it to be held at a much higher standard than it's predecessors, which were of an different generation. Furthermore, MK previously being in 2D is not really a valid reason for it not to improve. And yes, Boon shoul definitely up his game, if he (along with all the fans) intends for MK to hang with the big boys.

Again, I say, please do not underestimate the videogame genre. It's a highway to the top.

"For one dumb ass, colguile is saying he knows for a given fact its gonna be the same as DA. Which its not true or can't be proven until October.

Thats why I believe the other guy you stupid fuck."

Yes, you believe another guy without any proof either. You've already established that. And I already pointed out how hypocritical it is. It's obvious you're mad with the name calling. You realize you have nothing. So I won't even bother taking that cheap route.

"So don't explode on me. IF YOUR SUCH A LOVER FOR SC,VF,T,and the other gay fighters then go play em and get the fuck out of MK and saying your die hard fans because your not. You want the rest us MK lovers to agree with you."

You're a die hard fan? You're not a die hard fan. You're a typical newb who comes here, pretends to be the biggest MK fan ever, hates on the REAL OG fans who complain about important aspects of the game (and have earned the right to bitch about anything they want about the series), and leaves within a month after the game comes out. Like someone already said, staying silent about issues is the way to get the game better? LOL you make absolutely no sense dude. Stay out of gameplay threads. Stick to what you know (fatalities, kewl costumes, and other scrubby shit).

"I think it's great to see MK do wat they do they put more in a game then any other fighter. Death traps, 2 different fatalities, Stage Fatalities, A great story line, 2 mini games, a Konquest, 3 different fighting styles switchable durin in game play, Different costumes, and great twists, and don't forget the endings."

I guess I spoke to soon up there about the scrubby shit. I was just assuming. Then I got to this paragraph and you confirmed it for me. None of that shit you mentioned has anything to do with the actual gameplay (you know, what this thread is about). The three fighting styles isn't original either as Tekken and VF have been doing that for a long time.

"Now that's a lot a shit for a game also the fighter isn't that bad and it's not great but who cares the games the funest fighter out there and doesn't get boring after you play it for hours. It's nice to see the fighter get better every game now and don;t say it hasn't and don;t say its not for MKD until you play the fucking game."

Yes, we'll just be quiet little good boys and wish upon a star that it turns out great instead of actually voicing our opinions so they hear us. You remind me of a little kid who cries and covers his ears going "nananana can't hear you nananana". Only hearing what you want.

MENTHOL Wrote: "For one dumb ass, colguile is saying he knows for a given fact its gonna be the same as DA. Which its not true or can't be proven until October. Thats why I believe the other guy you stupid fuck." Yes, you believe another guy without any proof either. You've already established that. And I already pointed out how hypocritical it is. It's obvious you're mad with the name calling. You realize you have nothing. So I won't even bother taking that cheap route. "So don't explode on me. IF YOUR SUCH A LOVER FOR SC,VF,T,and the other gay fighters then go play em and get the fuck out of MK and saying your die hard fans because your not. You want the rest us MK lovers to agree with you." You're a die hard fan? You're not a die hard fan. You're a typical newb who comes here, pretends to be the biggest MK fan ever, hates on the REAL OG fans who complain about important aspects of the game (and have earned the right to bitch about anything they want about the series), and leaves within a month after the game comes out. Like someone already said, staying silent about issues is the way to get the game better? LOL you make absolutely no sense dude. Stay out of gameplay threads. Stick to what you know (fatalities, kewl costumes, and other scrubby shit). "I think it's great to see MK do wat they do they put more in a game then any other fighter. Death traps, 2 different fatalities, Stage Fatalities, A great story line, 2 mini games, a Konquest, 3 different fighting styles switchable durin in game play, Different costumes, and great twists, and don't forget the endings." I guess I spoke to soon up there about the scrubby shit. I was just assuming. Then I got to this paragraph and you confirmed it for me. None of that shit you mentioned has anything to do with the actual gameplay (you know, what this thread is about). The three fighting styles isn't original either as Tekken and VF have been doing that for a long time. "Now that's a lot a shit for a game also the fighter isn't that bad and it's not great but who cares the games the funest fighter out there and doesn't get boring after you play it for hours. It's nice to see the fighter get better every game now and don;t say it hasn't and don;t say its not for MKD until you play the fucking game." Yes, we'll just be quiet little good boys and wish upon a star that it turns out great instead of actually voicing our opinions so they hear us. You remind me of a little kid who cries and covers his ears going "nananana can't hear you nananana". Only hearing what you want.

So true Menthol... Anyways like Menthol said, the three stances aren't anything new, just its accessibility. Fighting games have always had characters with multiple stances... but in other games, the stances generally serve more than a change in movelist, but also a big chance in defensive options.

If people can ask for the gimmicky stuff they want, surely we can ask for the things that do matter in a fighting game that we want, the fighting engine.

well i think the real fans askin 4 gd fighting from a fighting game have won this arguement, power 2 the minority of MK fans

it's a pity these n00bs can't b convinced though, even if they've been proven wrong time and time again they still misunderstand the points we are putting across.

The minority is starting to gain momentum though. Even the people who defend MKs engine are willing to admit they want the game to be better. The problem is when you get a handful of those people who don't want to hear about MK's many flaws. It's like "Sure I want MK to be better but HOW DARE YOU CRITICIZE IT!"

shakazulu Wrote: man we can compare mk:d to other fighters all we want cuz they all fall in the same catagory/genre: FIGHTING and face it mk:ds system is still lacking...maybe it would of been good for the year 99 or 2000 but this is 2004 todays fighters have everything that mkd mostly likely wont...complex counters and reversals multpile throws..etc etc boon has to step his game up...this is a whole new generation of fighters..it ait the days of mk2 nomore fighters r geting more and more complex every year.. boon is stuck between those 2 generations... he has to keep up with technology and the advances in the fighting genre..if he wants mk to last.. You speak the gospel truth. When people say that we should compare MK with other fighting games, to me, they're just blowing smoke. MK is...um...a fighting game. Why the heck would'nt you compare it with another fighting game. I certainly would'nt compare it with Grand Turismo. The simple fact that Mortal Kombat was brought back to life, in a modern genre of 3D causes it to be held at a much higher standard than it's predecessors, which were of an different generation. Furthermore, MK previously being in 2D is not really a valid reason for it not to improve. And yes, Boon shoul definitely up his game, if he (along with all the fans) intends for MK to hang with the big boys. Again, I say, please do not underestimate the videogame genre. It's a highway to the top.

thank u thank u...

well at least someone saw my point..i should of gotten dragon points for wat i wrote !!! j/k... anyway hope boon or someone from the mk team read wat i wrote....

FLSTYLE Wrote: scorpio Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: i wouldn't call you die-hard fans, i'd call you ignorant fans, ignorant to the fact that without gameplay, Mortal Kombat will just fade away into computer gaming history, very slowly and very painfully. the bottom line is that a fighting game cannot last long without gameplay, if u're after the storylines etc. u're in the wrong place. Mortal Kombat is a game not a film and unless something is done it will become a crap game, Deception will probably keep the series going 4 now, because of so many new things being introduced, but Mortal Kombat can't be carried by extras forever eventually it will have to become a good "fighting" game like the rest. nuff sed in case you havent noticed mk has been here for 12 years..and in those 12 years, not 1 mk game has been as deep as mkd...so, i dont see mk fading away anytime soon. mkda wasnt as deep as all those other fighters, yet still out sold all of them. i under stand the want for a deeper engine..i would like to see one as well..but people sound dumb when there all "make it like tekken or vf" mk doesnt need to be like those games. mk has always set its self appart from other games..its never copied other fighting games and has always been huge for the simple fact that most people could care less about depth in the fighting engine. most of you that do, are the same people that sit around playing vf all day long. the number of gamers that could care less about the depth, out number the gamers that do. and that will never do the series any harm. and before any of you say mkda (and mkd) sold cause of the blood and gore..that complete bullshit..i doubt 0ver 3 million people bought a game to see the same fatality over and over. dont get me wrong, i would love to see a deeper mk..i dont want it to take away from the feel of mk. i liked the mkda engine...they should build off that instead of trying to make it something thats already out there. well what do you know, another person who can't be bothered reading the whole thread before posting something that is wrong watch how i prove you wrong just like the rest of the people who have misunderstood the points i have said. yes Mortal Kombat has been around for 12 years, that is because until recently it has been a 2D game, 2D games are never based on deep gameplay, it's a genre that is set apart from 3D fighters, they are to different, so of course MK:D is the most deep MK so far. All throughout this thread i have said time and time again i DO NOT want Deception to be more like Tekken and the others, Deception is about fantasy, not realism like the others. What i'm talking about is that Deception is not a good enough fighting game to compete with these others, the fighting engine is just a way to make it better, of course until now mortal kombat has not been in competition with the others, 1 is a 2D fighter another is a 3D fighter, so everything that is said about games before Deadly Alliance is irrelevant and wrong. i have never ever said Mortal Kombat sold because of gore and fatalities, they are gimmicks like these new modes that everyone is boasting about. Mortal Kombat Deadly Alliance sold well because it was the 1st true 3D game made by Boon+co and it was a new rival against Tekken + co, it was fresh Making Deception deeper won't take away the feel of MK away, it will make it better, nothing needs to be taken away, the actual fighting part of Mortal Kombat needs to be made better when the time comes when Deception must rely on its fighting because the gimmicks have become worn out it will lose sales to the other games, because at the moment it is not good enough. This is the point of this thread, not to talk about other games, call Deception crap, or have a go at Boon+co but to suggest ways how Deception's gameplay can be improved, so that it will outsell it's rivals, and still be going strong in ten years time. i hope that anyone who wants to post another misinformed, misunderstood opinion of what this thread is about, reads this, forgets what they were just about to type, and help out in suggesting ways to make sure the gameplay is as good as other parts of Deception.

this seems a gd enough time to repost something i said back on page 5, i'm expecting some n00b person to say somethin stupid any second.

and yeah i was wondering whether we were gona get dragon points for the pages and pages of new and fresh opinions we've all put across about the state of MK and our expectations for deception, o well here's hoping.

As for Boon+co i appreciate that they've got seperate teams working on the main story game, konquest, chess and puzzle but i'd rather have seen the teams for chess and puzzle drafted into the story team and just have story mode and konquest, it leaves nice extra's for all the n00bs and we get 3 times as many people working on the main game

GOD I AM ON MY OWN SIDE here I want a better fighting system but I hate to read that this games gonna suck until you play it.

I agree with all of you who want a better fighter all I don;t agree is saying the game sucks be4 playing the 100% version or instead of stating ur oppinion saying its a given fact that the games the same as DA. Well I see now that you said it u mean the 3 stances. Yah there gonna be the same but wat about the moves u don;t no wats in store untill october.

I also would love the throws and reversals and be able to break out of a combo and doing a move 4 different ways and also only a hard punch to knock someone into a death trap.

If you want all this then everyone in this post like I already did should email MIdway ask them nicely not bitch and give them ideas to improve the fighting.

Don't right that your sick of the game sucking compared to other fighters like you did in here thats wat pisses me off. Once the games out I was planning on starting a post saying wat the game has lacked.
SOrry for my ignorance just been in bad mood lately and reading about the game sucking before playing full version pisses me off.

I'm surprised people are comparing MK:DA to games like Tekken 4 and VF4. MK:DA is the MK Team's FIRST attempt at a new fighting engine. They started it from scratch. VF and Tekken, on the other hand, have had plenty of games to tweak and improve their fighting engine. I think It's great to give constructive criticism with the intent of improving the game, but to actually compare the MK:DA to games like VF4 and Tekken 4 is just unfair.

cartmansp Wrote: I'm surprised people are comparing MK:DA to games like Tekken 4 and VF4. MK:DA is the MK Team's FIRST attempt at a new fighting engine. They started it from scratch. VF and Tekken, on the other hand, have had plenty of games to tweak and improve their fighting engine. I think It's great to give constructive criticism with the intent of improving the game, but to actually compare the MK:DA to games like VF4 and Tekken 4 is just unfair.

man its not unfair... i seen plenty of new fighters from e3 preveiws wit new fighting engines dat r 10X better then mk:da..mk:da just sucked ass plain n simple...anyway to the guy above u..mk:d at its current stage keyword *CURRENT* E3 STAGE sucks..fighting wise anyway
the engine is way way way behind..i mean theres been so many advances in the fighting genre since last year and mk isn't even close to touching them..its feels like a 2d fighter traped in a 3d world..boon has to step his game up like i said before...and come back to the year 2004....

Digital_Assassin Wrote: man its not unfair... i seen plenty of new fighters from e3 preveiws wit new fighting engines dat r 10X better then mk:da..mk:da just sucked ass plain n simple...

I'm talking about comparing MK:DA to games like Tekken 4 and Virtua Fighter 4. Everybody is comparing MK:DA to THOSE games. I don't see anybody comparing MK:DA to new fighting games.

i didnt saw all the replyies so i dont know if someone has said this but: IF YOU DONT LIKE THE GAME DONT BUY IT AND IF YOU HAD PREORDERED IT DONT PLAY IT as simple as that.