MENTHOL Wrote: I think they should of stuck and expanded on the MK4 system. That way they don't alienate the old school MK fans and they can also make MK games in 3d environments to please the newer crowd. I'm one of the few who liked MK4 but I also wonder how many people played the arcade version before saying how bad of a game it was. The majority base it off the home versions which isn't even fair. They couldn't conquer 2d. They won't conquer 3d. But if they stuck with the MK4 engine, they could of atleast conquered 2.5d lol. Of course they would be the only ones doing it but hey, "MK isn't like other fighters!" would actually have some credibility to it.

It would die so quick. Most people only care about the extras and the graphics. There are few out there that want more indepth fighter because most don't know wat one is. All those ideas above are good especially the special moves at the end of combos. A little like DA except you have to do it off the juggle. Which the juggles sucked in DA I could juggle them like 3-5 times if that. Then it would let them fall. Just like the game froze it does lack of many things.

salbeinit Wrote: i said that cuz i didnt like the mkd is going to be crap, man that isnt the way that it must be said

Yeah, I know there are some people who just bash MK
(i.e. BOOgieman, Digital_Assassin, Neurotransmitter)

But other people (i.e. Versitile, Bleed, Satyagraha, TonyTheTiger, colguile, ect.) actually give constructive critisism with the intentions of making MK a better game. They don't hate MK, they just want MK to be better.

"It would die so quick. Most people only care about the extras and the graphics."

How is that any different from now? You're basically admitting MK will die. All the while making page after page telling people to shut up about the faults. Seriously, where the F are you going with this?

"here are few out there that want more indepth fighter because most don't know wat one is."

Like yourself. Which is why generous people like myself who you've been trying to argue with the last week have been trying to open peoples eyes so they DO understand what's going on.

MK4's combo system was simplistic too.. most of the characters had the same general combos. MK4 IMO is just like any 2D MK with a slight enhancement of the fighting mechanic (obvious).. maybe just a little more freedom - but same uniform combos for everyone.

Complexity.. hmm.. in the 2D era MK was NEVER about complexity in fighting. Games like Samauri Shodown, Street Fighter Alpha and up series.. etc.. we know those were much more complex.

MK has obviously entered the true 3D world of graphics and movement and "complexity" with DA. DA wasn't unplayable - if you knew what you were doing the fights were rather good IMO..

All I think MK:D needs to execute is speed (which they've done), more MANUAL combos (meaning more moves to accompany, obvious), better manual defense, more freedom in strings, and more connectivity between fighting styles (which I heard they did also).

I think that's a perfect general upgrade to the actual fighting in DA.. it won't be disgustingly easy nor shallow. Also leaving a vast sea of things to do for MK7.

I hope MK7 DOES get pretty technical in it's system.

They've done enough with side this.. side that..

Digital_Assassin Wrote: man its not unfair... i seen plenty of new fighters from e3 preveiws wit new fighting engines dat r 10X better then mk:da..mk:da just sucked ass plain n simple...anyway to the guy above u..mk:d at its current stage keyword *CURRENT* E3 STAGE sucks..fighting wise anyway the engine is way way way behind..i mean theres been so many advances in the fighting genre since last year and mk isn't even close to touching them..its feels like a 2d fighter traped in a 3d world..boon has to step his game up like i said before...and come back to the year 2004....

Man, are you reading my mind...

And also, whoever was saying that the 3 fighting styles were nothing new. I can't tell you how long I've been waiting for someone to say that. The system in MK:DA was really just a gimmick to get people excited about the game engine. It was really overhyped. Multiple fighting styles (for each character) have been around for a long time (since the beginning days of Tekken & Virtua) Fighter.

That's why it really disappoints me that Boon would through in different stances, let the characters pass licks in different positions, and call it them fighting styles. I think they do an injustice to the martial arts.

The multiple fighting styles for every character didn't really impress me when I first heard about it.

Then when I got to use it, I was like eh.

I still think they should just have one hand to hand, and one weapon style.

I think it's better if you switch styles more like lei fei, or lei wulong. And some characters should just use one style some might mix 4 styles. The 2 styles for everybody just seems too general to me.

cartmansp Wrote: I'm surprised people are comparing MK:DA to games like Tekken 4 and VF4. MK:DA is the MK Team's FIRST attempt at a new fighting engine. They started it from scratch. VF and Tekken, on the other hand, have had plenty of games to tweak and improve their fighting engine. I think It's great to give constructive criticism with the intent of improving the game, but to actually compare the MK:DA to games like VF4 and Tekken 4 is just unfair.

You say this is MK's first attempt at a 3D game. So what? If anything, that makes MK look worse, in a sense. Tekken's first 3D movement installment was Tekken 3. That was how many years before MKDA? MK4 should have been what MKDA is. It would have been much acceptable back then. Tekken 3 would still be the better game, but it would be a good try on MK's part. People have every right to compare MKDA to Tekken, SC2 and VF4. As someone else stated, they're all fighters. And we haven't actually played any of the new 3D fighters such as KOF: Maximum Impact, and such. So we can't compare MKD to them.

And on a general note, those of you that wan't a storyline, go play Final Fantasy. If you want innovative character designs, play Guilty Gear X2. Their character designs own MK's anyday.

I don't even know what game offers a crapload of extras that MKD is, so if you wants extras--Mostly fluff and minimum substance, play MKD. Thank you and good night.

I also liked MK4, especially with the new weapon system--perfect addition to the game. I thought the system had a lot of promise, and potential. They made a boo boo, when they through authentic concepts, and sold out to becoming more like a Soul Calibur wanna be. I thought that was a big, and unneccesary waste.

EXACTLY!

You say this is MK's first attempt at a 3D game.

No I didn't. I said it was their first attempt at a new fighting engine, not 3D.

So what? If anything, that makes MK look worse, in a sense. Tekken's first 3D movement installment was Tekken 3.That was how many years before MKDA? MK4 should have been what MKDA is. It would have been much acceptable back then. Tekken 3 would still be the better game, but it would be a good try on MK's part.

This isn't a discussion of 3D fighting games, it's a discussion of fighting engines.

People have every right to compare MKDA to Tekken, SC2 and VF4. As someone else stated, they're all fighters. And we haven't actually played any of the new 3D fighters such as KOF: Maximum Impact, and such. So we can't compare MKD to them.

But it's unfair since MK:DA was the MK Team's FIRST attempt at a new fighting engine. SC2, Tekken 4, VF4 and DOA have had plenty of time to expand and tweak their own fighting engines. MK:DA is starting all over with a new fighting engine. If your gonna compare MK:DA to anything, compare it to Tekken 1, VF 1,Soul Blade, and DOA 1. Since they're all first attempts at fighting engines.

And on a general note, those of you that wan't a storyline, go play Final Fantasy. If you want innovative character designs, play Guilty Gear X2. Their character designs own MK's anyday.

Meh, it's all a matter of opinion.

I don't even know what game offers a crapload of extras that MKD is, so if you wants extras--Mostly fluff and minimum substance, play MKD. Thank you and good night.

Well I guess I'm a sucker for fluff.

I like the way MK is now.But as time goes on MK is going to get even deeper.You have to remember this the MK team's 3rd 3D game.Tekken at first was basically 2D with 3D graphics.Same goes for Virtua Fighter.They all have to build up in 3D.So in the future games I don't care for like DOA will hopefully get better in the future.As long as it's fun I like it.Let's be real here,MK will NEVER I MEAN NEVER get big with tournies.There are too many people out there who will say MK is just sence less violence yadda yadda yadda.

I always hear that from some Street Fighter Fanboy or Soul Calibur Fanboy.Which is pretty dumb IMO.When it all comes down too it it's the person's opinion on what "deep" is in MK or any other Fighting Game in general.I play Tekken,Virtua Fighter,and MK.If all of them starting copying each other you know how much that would suck?Look at DOA that guy that makes it acts like he is bringing out something original.He basically copied VF and Tekken he just watered it down by making the moves easier ETC.

What Im trying to say is there all in there own class.Yeah,I agree with people who want MK to be a even better experince but when people bash MK with no reason at all is just bad.And from the looks of it it looks like there taking advice from people on here who are helping MK to get better:

Counter Hits-(Note:I hope there will be alot of ways to counter some one.A air Counter,Crouch counter ETC.)

There was something else they added but I forgot what it was.It had something to do with your opponet against the wall.

Death Traps-I know it's a MK spin on a Ringout.But it will bring alot of strategy in to matches.Your going to have to think when you fight now.And watch what moves you'll do.This is going to make it more intense.
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That's all I have to say for now...

Drfatality Wrote: I like the way MK is now.But as time goes on MK is going to get even deeper.You have to remember this the MK team's 3rd 3D game.Tekken at first was basically 2D with 3D graphics.Same goes for Virtua Fighter.They all have to build up in 3D.So in the future games I don't care for like DOA will hopefully get better in the future.As long as it's fun I like it.Let's be real here,MK will NEVER I MEAN NEVER get big with tournies.There are too many people out there who will say MK is just sence less violence yadda yadda yadda. I always hear that from some Street Fighter Fanboy or Soul Calibur Fanboy.Which is pretty dumb IMO.When it all comes down too it it's the person's opinion on what "deep" is in MK or any other Fighting Game in general.I play Tekken,Virtua Fighter,and MK.If all of them starting copying each other you know how much that would suck?Look at DOA that guy that makes it acts like he is bringing out something original.He basically copied VF and Tekken he just watered it down by making the moves easier ETC. What Im trying to say is there all in there own class.Yeah,I agree with people who want MK to be a even better experince but when people bash MK with no reason at all is just bad.And from the looks of it it looks like there taking advice from people on here who are helping MK to get better: Counter Hits-(Note:I hope there will be alot of ways to counter some one.A air Counter,Crouch counter ETC.) There was something else they added but I forgot what it was.It had something to do with your opponet against the wall. Death Traps-I know it's a MK spin on a Ringout.But it will bring alot of strategy in to matches.Your going to have to think when you fight now.And watch what moves you'll do.This is going to make it more intense. =============================== That's all I have to say for now...

*Claps* Nicely said man. I agree with you 100%. But as I've said on this issue before in other threads: On this issue No One is gonna budge. No amount of arguing (that almost ALWAYS ends in flames) is gonna make anyone change their minds. There will always be people who believe that the fighting system should be made much deeper than it is. And there will Always be people who will say that they are fine with the way MK is, it has it's own unique style of play and they don't want it changed. Both sides of this have good points. No one is right, and no one is wrong as it is 100% opinion. And like you said DrFatality MK just may get deeper as time goes on so it just my evolve into a game which both sides can appreciate.

I think the new wall thing is a shove move, sort of like in Tekken 4.

I think there should be a short delay when you block.
In MKDA, you can attack the second you block an attack, but I didn't like how that worked.

I'd like it better if regular blocks would have a delay, and to have a no delay block, maybe you have to tap block, or >+Blk when the opponent attacks.

Like a parry.

I'd like to point out that most all the threads regarding issues, such as what is being discussed here, have been no where near as productive as this thread, lol. Aside from Rays stickies on DA, of course.

I agree, to an extent, that if peeps are ever going to change or alter the entirety of their oppinion they will do so with out assistance. To be influenced, to ponder other ideas, is only human. Influence can be brought about when other oppinions are set forth, pertaining to the same subject. Oppinions which are educated or not. I can tell that some peeps are already "breaking down" and can see what others are trying to paint. Shit, just ask Verse, when DA first came out he thought that shit was godly, lol.

I'd also like to point out something concerning "attempts." VF2 is the hallmark VF. That shit was SOOOOOO good for it's time. It's still amazing. VF4+ simply built from that along with the mistakes from VF3, apparently.

T4 is an entirely new engine, too, built by an entirely different team - the TT team put together SCII. T2 was like, not even a tekken, lol. Yet, it was hella' flavourfull. Totally different from any other T, too - Kaz, everything was a stun, fucking beastly .

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that I find it difficult to stomach this excuse of "first attempt", yet it's true that second attempts seam to flesh out. Often times they dont, though. Fact is, a good game is a good game and a bad game is bad; no matter what # is thrown behind it.

cartmansp Wrote: salbeinit Wrote: i said that cuz i didnt like the mkd is going to be crap, man that isnt the way that it must be said Yeah, I know there are some people who just bash MK (i.e. BOOgieman, Digital_Assassin, Neurotransmitter) But other people (i.e. Versitile, Bleed, Satyagraha, TonyTheTiger, colguile, ect.) actually give constructive critisism with the intentions of making MK a better game. They don't hate MK, they just want MK to be better.

lol...o god..sigh...man its just a game bro get over it...im not just "bashing" mk either if u read my past posts u would know dat...and i always give reasons for the "bashing" explainin how boon could fix dis n dat etc etc...so stop being such a dick rider...im not gonna lie about how i feel... mk:da sucked...wat more can i say......sigh.....i bet dat most of u r thinking :"ahh o no he said mkda suck!! omg!!" well u know wat tough... sumthing must be wrong wit u if u really find dat offending....its a
v-i-d-e-o g-a-m-e man.......and i dont hate mk u moron..y would i come to dis site if i hated mk??? uhh???? i only hate mk:da... is dat a crime or something????yall act like i murdered someone....there are bigger things out there to worry about then me hating mk:da..so get off my dick and get a life...

now back to the main topic...

lol...o god..sigh...man its just a game bro get over it...im not just "bashing" mk either if u read my past posts u would know dat...and i always give reasons for the "bashing" explainin how boon could fix dis n dat etc etc

I know it's just a game.

...so stop being such a dick rider...

!

im not gonna lie about how i feel... mk:da sucked...wat more can i say......sigh.....i bet dat most of u r thinking :"ahh o no he said mkda suck!! omg!!" well u know wat tough... sumthing must be wrong wit u if u really find dat offending....its a
v-i-d-e-o g-a-m-e man.......and i dont hate mk u moron..y would i come to dis site if i hated mk??? uhh???? i only hate mk:da... is dat a crime or something????yall act like i murdered someone....there are bigger things out there to worry about then me hating mk:da..so get off my dick and get a life...

Damn dude, what the fuck is your problem?
It's just a game.

I honestly don't think you can compare Virtua Fighter to Mortal Kombat. It's like trying to compare mustard to ketchup. Some people like it, others down. People have preferences, but preferences really don't determine if a game is great or not. For example, I've read tons and tons of reviews over "Hybrid Heaven", a sci-fi N64 title I own. All of them are horribly cruel and negative. It's one of my favorite titles. I read all the hype over Virtua Fighter and bought it... and I quickly got bored out of my mind with it. Sure, it's deep and well-costructed, not to mention good-looking, but... it's a hollow game. No character has REAL substance to him. They're all typical stock characters in a game with a paper-thin plot fighting meaningless battles. I compare that to MK's rich universe, wide-variety of fighters, the plot-twists, the betrayals, the revenge, the alliances, the deceptions, the motivations, and the struggles against insurmountable odds. You don't see that, really, in other fighting games, not even Street Fighter or Soul Calibur. There's a little in Tekken, but not to the same level as MK. I mean, everyone has characters they love and hate in MK, but Virtua Fighter has nothing but soulless stock characters with no redeeming characteristics. People I'm sure have their favorites in that game, too, but... they're bland. They're like the boring, infinite characters of a Dynasty Warriors game. All are fancy and extravegant, but none have substance. That's, I believe, where MK and its superb characters rise above the competition, blood, fatalities, gameplay, etc. not-with-standing. Fatality.

cartmansp Wrote: lol...o god..sigh...man its just a game bro get over it...im not just "bashing" mk either if u read my past posts u would know dat...and i always give reasons for the "bashing" explainin how boon could fix dis n dat etc etc I know it's just a game. ...so stop being such a dick rider... ! im not gonna lie about how i feel... mk:da sucked...wat more can i say......sigh.....i bet dat most of u r thinking :"ahh o no he said mkda suck!! omg!!" well u know wat tough... sumthing must be wrong wit u if u really find dat offending....its a v-i-d-e-o g-a-m-e man.......and i dont hate mk u moron..y would i come to dis site if i hated mk??? uhh???? i only hate mk:da... is dat a crime or something????yall act like i murdered someone....there are bigger things out there to worry about then me hating mk:da..so get off my dick and get a life... Damn dude, what the fuck is your problem? It's just a game.

haha..."Its just a game".. yea dat was my point u ass..dont try n twist the words...my problem is ppl like u who always bitch when they see sumone say sumthing negative about MK;da...

MK may not be the best game as far as the fighting goes but the things that make it Virtua fighter pale in comparison are these:

1. Awesome Characters: Where else can you play as a ninja hellspawn who can shoot a spear out of his hand, a chinese assasin who can freeze people, a humanoid made up from consumed souls who has telekenetic powers, a shaolin monk who can turn into a dragon, an immortal/ageless god who can control electricity etc.

2.Fatalities: The reason most people are interested in MK is because of the Fatalaities. The Fatalities revolutionized the concept of fighting games and brought something completely new. MK was the first game to allow you to kill your opponent after defeating them(e.g. uppercutting their head off, burning them alive, ripping their head and spinal chord off)

3.The Story: MK has by far the most in depth story in the history of fighting games. It's story is incredibly interesting as it includes 6 realms, great rivalries and awesome villains.

Digital_Assassin Wrote: haha..."Its just a game".. yea dat was my point u ass..dont try n twist the words...my problem is ppl like u who always bitch when they see sumone say sumthing negative about MK;da...

It's funny how you try to say "It's just a game" but you're the only one who acts immature when someone disagrees with you.

And what do you mean "...dont try n twist the words..."?
I didn't twist anything, I typed down exactly what you said.

cartmansp Wrote: Digital_Assassin Wrote: haha..."Its just a game".. yea dat was my point u ass..dont try n twist the words...my problem is ppl like u who always bitch when they see sumone say sumthing negative about MK;da... It's funny how you try to say "It's just a game" but you're the only one who acts immature when someone disagrees with you. And what do you mean "...dont try n twist the words..."? I didn't twist anything, I typed down exactly what you said.

da hell...lmao wat r u my mother??? u really think i care if i acted immature towards u???!
hmm....but lets examine how "immature" i can be anyway...cuz after all u said im pretty immature rite??...page 7... dis was my reply to u

"man its not unfair... i seen plenty of new fighters from e3 preveiws wit new fighting engines dat r 10X better then mk:da..mk:da just sucked ass plain n simple...anyway to the guy above u..mk:d at its current stage keyword *CURRENT* E3 STAGE sucks..fighting wise anyway
the engine is way way way behind..i mean theres been so many advances in the fighting genre since last year and mk isn't even close to touching them..its feels like a 2d fighter traped in a 3d world..boon has to step his game up like i said before...and come back to the year 2004...."

hmmm i see alot of immatureity and "mk bashing" their!!!..

hey wait kids heres another...

"man we can compare mk:d to other fighters all we want cuz they all fall in the same catagory/genre: FIGHTING
and face it mk:ds system is still lacking...maybe it would of been good for the year 99 or 2000 but this is 2004 todays fighters have everything that mkd mostly likely wont...complex counters and reversals multpile throws..etc etc boon has to step his game up...this is a whole new generation of fighters..it ait the days of mk2 nomore fighters r geting more and more complex every year.. boon is stuck between those 2 generations... he has to keep up with technology and the advances in the fighting genre..if he wants mk to last.."
hmmmmmmmmmm
"you're the only one who acts immature when someone disagrees with you." u dont know me man...lol

now moving on...

Digital_Assassin Wrote: da hell...lmao wat r u my mother??? u really think i care if i acted immature towards u???! hmm....but lets examine how "immature" i can be anyway...cuz after all u said im pretty immature rite??...page 7... dis was my reply to u "man its not unfair... i seen plenty of new fighters from e3 preveiws wit new fighting engines dat r 10X better then mk:da..mk:da just sucked ass plain n simple...anyway to the guy above u..mk:d at its current stage keyword *CURRENT* E3 STAGE sucks..fighting wise anyway the engine is way way way behind..i mean theres been so many advances in the fighting genre since last year and mk isn't even close to touching them..its feels like a 2d fighter traped in a 3d world..boon has to step his game up like i said before...and come back to the year 2004...." hmmm i see alot of immatureity and "mk bashing" their!!!.. hey wait kids heres another... "man we can compare mk:d to other fighters all we want cuz they all fall in the same catagory/genre: FIGHTING and face it mk:ds system is still lacking...maybe it would of been good for the year 99 or 2000 but this is 2004 todays fighters have everything that mkd mostly likely wont...complex counters and reversals multpile throws..etc etc boon has to step his game up...this is a whole new generation of fighters..it ait the days of mk2 nomore fighters r geting more and more complex every year.. boon is stuck between those 2 generations... he has to keep up with technology and the advances in the fighting genre..if he wants mk to last.." hmmmmmmmmmm "you're the only one who acts immature when someone disagrees with you." u dont know me man...lol now moving on...

What about...

"...so stop being such a dick rider..."

...and...

"...so get off my dick and get a life..."

...and...

"...and i dont hate mk u moron..."

Ah, such intellectual words. Fatality.

cartmansp Wrote: Digital_Assassin Wrote: da hell...lmao wat r u my mother??? u really think i care if i acted immature towards u???! hmm....but lets examine how "immature" i can be anyway...cuz after all u said im pretty immature rite??...page 7... dis was my reply to u "man its not unfair... i seen plenty of new fighters from e3 preveiws wit new fighting engines dat r 10X better then mk:da..mk:da just sucked ass plain n simple...anyway to the guy above u..mk:d at its current stage keyword *CURRENT* E3 STAGE sucks..fighting wise anyway the engine is way way way behind..i mean theres been so many advances in the fighting genre since last year and mk isn't even close to touching them..its feels like a 2d fighter traped in a 3d world..boon has to step his game up like i said before...and come back to the year 2004...." hmmm i see alot of immatureity and "mk bashing" their!!!.. hey wait kids heres another... "man we can compare mk:d to other fighters all we want cuz they all fall in the same catagory/genre: FIGHTING and face it mk:ds system is still lacking...maybe it would of been good for the year 99 or 2000 but this is 2004 todays fighters have everything that mkd mostly likely wont...complex counters and reversals multpile throws..etc etc boon has to step his game up...this is a whole new generation of fighters..it ait the days of mk2 nomore fighters r geting more and more complex every year.. boon is stuck between those 2 generations... he has to keep up with technology and the advances in the fighting genre..if he wants mk to last.." hmmmmmmmmmm "you're the only one who acts immature when someone disagrees with you." u dont know me man...lol now moving on... What about... "...so stop being such a dick rider..." ...and... "...so get off my dick and get a life..." ...and... "...and i dont hate mk u moron..."

Cartman...Don't fight with him. It's not worth your time.