You're the one that brought up the age with 50 year olds, not me. Ever hear of not going off topic? lol

I'm talking about MK overall thru out the years, in which just like every other fighting game, they go thru ups and downs....

Just like some of your nonsense comments on MK? yeah....I'm just saying Namco has always made 3D games, not both 2D and 3D like Capcom and Midway have....

@ the other dude, yeah man I'm just talking strickly console and arcade man


The GB games and PSP aren't taken "too seriously" they're fun but not as fun as console ports

The fact of the matter is that there is no reason for them to make 2D games. Midway stopped making 2D MK fighters as soon as they made their first 3D one. Tekken didn't show up on the scene until it was possible to make 3D games, so if you're gonna fault them you have to fault Midway too.

I've already said earlier that the earlier MK games are among the best, but some of the reasons people "hate" on the newer MK's are just dumb....believe me, I'm one of those players that plays online, all the time I know and understand the gameplay well as do other players like me.

Every fighter has ups and downs....

I didn't say anything about quality, you misunderstand. I am saying that you can't say that Namco is "afraid of change" because they make 3D Tekkens when Midway has been doing the same thing since the concept has been a viable possibility.

I undestand completely....

I can, if people are going to accuse Midway of "not changing being a better idea" then I can say I guess Namco is afraid of change in the first place....

Midway hasn't always been 3D so I'm not sure what you mean there, the older games were 2D

Because the technology for 3D fighters weren't available. That is what I'm saying. They never CHOSE to do 2D fighters, that was the only option at the time, and once it was possible for them to make a 3D fighter they haven't made a 2D one since.

Namco's first Tekken game was in the 3D era, they had no reason to make a 2D one.

I'm sure that comment makes somehow sense in your warped and twisted sense of logic, but to me it's just gibberish.

The whole point of the debate is, that MK, as a 3D game, is far from being serious competition for any other fighter out there. Sure, the games are popular. But popularity alone doesn't equal good gameplay. And I know you keep bragging how much of a high player you are, but this very Forum as threads dedicated and filled with countless pages, pointing out every single flaw of MK since it went 3D.

And true, every game has its ups and downs. MK just has more downs than ups.

They were available, they just weren't "well developed" in that point in time. Look at Tekken 2 vs. Tekken 5....both are 3D but obviously Tekken 5 being the later game is more realistically 3D as oppose to the earlier games. It's natural to evolve from start on.

I'm saying Tekken had the choice to start 2D or go straight to 3D, they chose 3D in a 2D era btw. SF, MK and KI at the time were all 2D. The only other bigtime arcade hit at the time that was 3D was VF. I'm speaking around Tekken one and 2 btw.


More like your lack of logic and ignorant statements pertaining to MK and having Tekken "this godly perfect game" which it's not btw but hey think what you want. The mind is a rather tricky thing.....

I guess something simple as facts and things you don't understand to you is "gibberish" but to me it's logical points.
I'm saying who the hell cares if the 3D Mk's are "like Tekken" as long as they compete and they do btw, because if they didn't MK would be dead as we speak and that clearly isn't the case.

When MK8 sells bigtime because of the MK and DC fans you'll look back feeling "OMG I was wrong about this game being shitty".....
What pages? lol point out these pages that you claim, it's not only filled with a bunch of ignorant bs that people THINK they know what they're talking about. And I'm not bragging about being a high level player, I'm just pointing out that being one I understand the gameplay a lot more then people like you that automatically think every MK game of late sucks...
MKD I might agree with you because it's all 50/50s but are you even aware of OTG's, FTs and plants etc? If you did, then you'd know why MKA is actually a much better game....

MK doesn't have more downs then ups, if anything more ups then downs...again this is just ignorant shit and you can't judge the whole series based off one or two games.. that's just boardline retarded...

You like to put words in people's mouths, don't you? Never once did I claim Tekken as godly or perfect. It's simply a good example for a solid fighter. As is VF.

Also when did I ever judge the entire series? I repeat, I never once talked about MK 1-3. Those were still good games. But the 3D games have been medicore at best. And I'm not going to say that MK Vs. DC won't be any better. I'll reserve my judgement till I actually get the opportunity to play it.

And lastly, sales don't prove a thing. There've been games that received great scores and were great gaming experiences, yet sold poorly. Huge sells don't equal good gameplay.

Not at all, just pointing out what you said and how you are acting...as if Tekken "is godly and so perfect" that's the attitude you're portraying. I pointed out the flaws a few posts earlier and you just said "well Tekken's flaws has the least of any fighting game including MK" etc....

My point was that not even Tekken is perfect...that's all, I know the later MK's have had some issues but some of you people act as if every MK game fails in certain areas and that's simply not true.

Sales do in fact have an impact to a degree....if a game doesn't sell "well" then there won't be a sequel, look at Tao Feng? Looked great on paper and in concept but failed horribly....

SC3 with it's problems, notice SC4 is making lots of changes including putting in finishers and SW characters.

SF EX and the movie game.....

You get the point.

And FTR, I never said good sales are equalvalent to good gameplay but if tons of gamers are buying it, it has to be doing something right.

MKD didn't sell as well as MK:DA or MKA did and understandably so, it had the most issues out of the 3d MK's with gameplay.

You like to put words in people's mouths, don't you? Never once did I claim Tekken as godly or perfect. It's simply a good example for a solid fighter. As is VF..

This is what you get when you just insult a game in its own fan base .

There is not way for Tekken to be as popular as MK not even after 10 years .
Just look at how many sites does MK have compared to Tekken ..
How many vids in You Tube for MK compared to Tekken ..

I know many old men (OLD MEN ) who played MK to death and they dont care about Tekken not even VF .So are all of these men blinded by the old legacy ....The answer is NO .

. Nathan wrote :----((( Also when did I ever judge the entire series? I repeat, I never once talked about MK 1-3. Those were still good games. But the 3D games have been medicore at best. And I'm not going to say that MK Vs. DC won't be any better. I'll reserve my judgement till I actually get the opportunity to play it. )))).

Medicore ????
Am I paying Midway for making MEDICORE games ??
My friend you have just insulted all of the MK fans .If the 3 last games is medcore then why did it sell ..huh ?
What makes Ed Boon continue to make games if they are medcore and on the other hand what makes peopel buy medcore games ..

Dont say story ...I can always read stories at WIKI , MK Online and the rest of MKs sites .
In the end you must know that this is MK style .If you dont like it then simply stop playing MK and get rest .


. Nathan Wrote :------(((And lastly, sales don't prove a thing. There've been games that received great scores and were great gaming experiences, yet sold poorly. Huge sells don't equal good gameplay))))
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Totaly wrong ...
Good gameplay comes from HUGE SELLS .Ed Boon is not a cheap man
In every new MK we get a new story , new charcters and new Ideas in the gameplay itselfe .We get many new unique things in every new game ...

Dare you to say what did we get new in Tekken 5 and 6 ?
Or in VF 5 which simply redesigned almost every thing in VF4 and put in VF5 ?
Tekken 5 is a glitch itselfe .I never thought that Namco is just this stupid .
Just how can a japanese charcter speaks to a chinese one using onother language

Lei spoke English with Wang while Wang replyed in chinese ..
Are we kids or what ? Or this is a TV show to teach languages .

Nathan wrote ----(( I'm sure that comment makes somehow sense in your warped and twisted sense of logic, but to me it's just gibberish.

The whole point of the debate is, that MK, as a 3D game, is far from being serious competition for any other fighter out there. Sure, the games are popular. But popularity alone doesn't equal good gameplay. And I know you keep bragging how much of a high player you are, but this very Forum as threads dedicated and filled with countless pages, pointing out every single flaw of MK since it went 3D.

And true, every game has its ups and downs. MK just has more downs than ups.)))))

Popularity comes from good gamplay .or do you have onother way to get popularity to your games ?SERIOUS ??? It is right that MK has many jokes but they are a very good jokes considering the Animals that fight and aim to save the world in Tekken ..

Every series started from nothing and some series just died when it went from 2D to 3D on the other hand MK continues to live and keep taking huge changes just for us the fans .
I did not play Tekken for more than 2 years but if I faced you in the game I would defeat you because it is the same moves ,charcters,style and story .

MK managed to get 2 filmes and the third will arrive while your 2 series got nothing .Thats prove that MK has a larger popularity untill now while both Tekken and VF did not reach a higher popularity level in USA .

Well in the end it is all a matter of taste .
You love Tekken more but I love MK more .Still dear Nathan it is really not good to start talking bad about a game in its own base

What kind of huge chances and changes have they taken please tell me I dont see any change at all. When you say thats what you get for getting on a mk board and talking bad about the game what do you mean?? Nanthen didnt say anything bad he stated his opininon just like you said he thinks tekken is a better game whats wrong with that and when you say that tekken didnt change anything like costumes or chars what the hell has mk changed all the chars costumes are the same or have recieved slight changes nothing SIGNIFICANT the gameplay IS medicore compared to other fighting games its just to simple and the same it hasent changed since mk:DA same stiff crap unplayable gameplay that SOOO many people hate and cant even play it.

Just like I said your a bunch of fanboys that grew up with the series and ae too ignorant to care about gameplay just face it MK is MEDICORE their are many examples in your post like when you bring the movies into the discussion I mean the discussion was always about the gameplay and then you bring in costumes, movies and what not and when you say thats what happens when you come on a mk board tlking bad your too much of a fanboy too stop and listen to what the guy is ACTUALLY saying. Also when you say that Mk is more popular than tekken in the u.s dont you think its because it a american game also you say that with every game you get a knew story thats true but it doesnt explain the last one we dont really know whats going on well I would have commented on your other comments but I had a hard time understandind WTF you were saying ee sharbet 3ater yal ga7ba t3ael el ba7rain basharbek3ater yal 5aneeeth yal sakran lolololololol tardenkem min malysia lankem ws5een lolol sig s3oodean gagar sig sifla s3oodi.

Ok, have to say something here...in general.

LOL, I love it how you guys throw the word "fanboy" around yet you're the same thing with "tekken" or "DBZ" so if we're fanboys then so are you....all these Tekken fanboys on an MK site....kind of pointless in itself if you ask me but whatever lol. So, why are you here exactly? To bash MK because I definitely don't see any postitive reasons...The luxury of "free forums" I guess....have to deal with ignorance and haters I suppose....

MK has had significant changes to their wardrobe thru out the years, if you don't know this then you just don't know what you're talking about or are following perhaps another game? Example...ok, take the ninjas used to be all pallette swaps..now ever since post MK4 they've all looked way different from one another. Don't even attempt to tell me Ermac looks the same as Scorpion or Reptile because I'll just laugh. Or Noob and Smoke look alike. As far as looks, costumes that was among the fans biggest complaint. Have the ninjas look different and unique from another and that's what they did.

Tekken's had the same this year after year....little change in gameplay, little change in costume or character design and the story is pure crap.

Actually, I'd bet I know more about the gameplay then you I play online thanks, you people on the other hand most likely played the game 5 minutes and that's it, so you really don't know anything I'm betting as you've proved...

Opinions are one thing and fine, but when you start saying false nonsense about MK or DC that's when I'll come in. Saying "gameplay is bad in all MK's " obviously you haven't played any MK's besides MKD and MKA...seriously. MK:DA is not stiff, it's actually the best 3D MK game. FACT. Balance wise, glitch wise and infinite wise. Don't believe me, ask Check, in fact he'll also prove you wrong lol.

Smash Brothers is played at high level, too...

It is. Yes

I stopped playing Smash like a year ago since it just got dull. Replay value is rather low when you get pretty much everything IMO.

Someone almost got the point.
I don't know about anyone else, but my faith in humanity is restored.

interesting.
Here are some facts, just in case.

1) UMK3 is the most balanced MK fighter out there and its one of the few non-broken MK games
2) UMK3 is still in some tournaments, just not as many as more popular titles such as SF or Tekken
3) MKDA is balanced, partially broken but still playable.
4) MK games aren't the only broken games out there.