Actually I think the big question is does MK have the chops to keep up with DC?

It will be amazing if MK ever reaches even close to DC.

MK is full of ruthless killing machines, DC is filled with the perfect embodiment of justice; they won't kill those who are out to kill them. Which makes an MK vs DC crossover all the better, and more plausible; Because these two sets of warriors were brought up in completley different realms and enviornments, they don't know how to react to each other. So obviously since they're different and mysterious they're interpreted as a threat.

Nice starter post, and some great points. I'll have to think about that one, but either way, I'm hoping MK kicks all asses.

I think Doomsday will " have the chops" and then some. When the game was announced I was pissed but, now I think it could be very interesting. The DC universe is huge not just a Superman/ Batman universe.

finally a soul who sees that there is more 2 fighting with raw power so in your well thought essay about mk being more capable in the battle field then dc

And see this is what I talking about. Why and how does he have the chops? because he can take a punch? because he can dish it out?

Put Shinnok against Doomsday? Remember shinnok isn't bound to any form. Shinnok, or any other god character in MK, make doomsday a non issue.




Keeping in mind that even match-ups are paramount, give some examples of DC characters who just out class that MK characters.

One character I know can match up to MK's heavy hitters in terms of power and skill is Wonder Woman. She's got Superman-level power, is one of DC's best fighters, and has strong defence againt magic.

But I think something to consider is just how powerful are MK's most powerful? Take Shao Kahn for instance. Liu Kang was able to defeat him. So is Liu Kang therefore a match for Superman?

But liu beat Kahn under "special circumstances," ie, the Invasion. The merger had all types of advese affect to character during that time (just like I suspect it will in MK Vs DC), I don't think Kahn was an acception.

but yeah, if Supes and Kang fought in outworld or some other place where Supes didn't have an unlimited source of power (the sun) then yes Kang could hold his own. Being the Leader of the Earthrealm fighters, and his skills being acknowledged as the best within the MK universe, pound for pound, I think Kang is better than supes.

I could be way off. please someone show me a situation where Supes has not only out smarted an opponent, but out skilled them. Everything I've seen shows Supes trying to beat an opponent with pure brute strength, ie doomsday, darksied, metallo.

But to your wonder woman point...yes she is very powerful and skillful, she is definitely not just a "strong man" character, she has depth. But given her strength, she would be on par with the god charcters of MK. Let's say Taven was on her strength level. Knowing Taven can beat raiden one on one, and can even take Fujin, do you think Taven could hold his own, maybe even win against Diana?

Read this with an open mind, it's long. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomsday_(comics)

Are you saying me that Doomsday could not be in MK?What makes his story so different from the MK stories? Sub in some MK names and we would eat him up as a sub-bossand think Boon was a genius. I think the way you use your logic on Shinnok makes everyone short of the gods in MK irrelevant. Case in point how could Jonny Cage or Nightwolf (My personal fav.) ever defeat Shinnok?? How is Lui Kang the hero almost every game?
Boon said 20 or 22 of the most popular 10 or 11 from both sides and I don't think Shinnok will make it anyway.
Look in the 30sec trailer you see probly 10sec of fighting or less. We will see is 7 months or so.

I not in love with Doomsday or anyone else in DC for that matter but, I was supprised at how dark some in DC are.

If we're accepting Taven as that strong...yes, he could probably match her. But then it would come down to skill, experience, and discipline. And in those categories, I think Diana has the advantage.

this is not a discussion on whether or not doomsday or any other DC character would fit in the MK universe, or how "dark" they are. And I don't think I said that shinnok makes anyone irrelevant.

Remember knowlege is power.

I don't know how Shinnok was defeated in MK4, some say liu, I say Raiden, but one thing for sure, it wasn't Cage and if Nightwolf was there he would have been turn inside out. and I'm not talking god powers, nightwolf, IMO, doesn't have what it takes. it's a stratch for me to believe Kang could do it.

buy yeah, this thread is about skill and match-ups. Can Doomsday defeat, kill an Elder God? Doomsday couldn't even touch an Elder God.

point taken.

FYI: During the final stages of this war, Raiden was forced to choose between sacrificing Earth's indigenous races, or ceding the rule of Earthrealm to Shinnok. The angered Elder Gods intervened and assisted Raiden in his struggle. Raiden defeated Shinnok and stripped him of his amulet. Shinnok was then banished to the deepest regions of the Netherealm.

OK?

In the context of Batman, this is a contradiction. His deduction of weaknesses and fighting prowess are exactly why he's often regarded the most overpowered character in DC comics.

The overall point is definitely fair, though.
DC's biggest heroes are far more reliant on powers than fighting skills.

Of the big seven most likely to appear, Batman and Wonder Woman are your best hand-to-hand fighters. Superman, Flash, Green Lantern, Aquaman, and Martian Manhunter aren't typically characterized for those skills, though that goes to varying degrees. Hawkgirl (or Hawkman) could bring up the rear, assuming the mainstream success of the cartoons makes her a strong candidate.

Of course, if there was going to be a wider selection than just ten or eleven from each, you could open your options more to better match-ups, even on MK terms (ie; round 1).

Interesting thread. I agree that MK characters like Raiden do dumb themsleves down in MK and that's one of the things I dislike. The example of Superman is simialr but when eh fights, he can let loose. Raiden cannot as he's still in human form which makes me wonder if he and the other gods have another form where they would be at their normal strength and most powerful.
Anyway, the likes of Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman I assume would definitely be able to hold their own versus many of MK's warriors. I think some of them have that extra thing that makes them slightly more formidable. Experience and knowledge will go a long way and I think many of the fighters on either side would be Now I think about it, Shujinko would probably be the one doing alot of the ass kicking if he were in the game given his ability and Taven would be a good candidate given his own achievements as asmodeus mentioned.

I think Doomsday would not only be able to touch an Elder God, but could potentially kill him. That thing is a beast of destruction, baby. Beyond any mortal comprehension.

I get what this thread is trying to say, but the reaction my dad had when I told him about this game, was "Superman would beat them all, wouldn't he?" Like it's a non-issue to even have the game.

Wonder Woman, Superman, Doomsday, Darkseid and a few of the more powerful characters like that would make great foils for Raiden, Shao Kahn and the like.

More human characters like Batman and Catwoman would match up well against experienced martial artists like Liu Kang and Kitana.

I'm sorry, but even as a much bigger fan of MK than DC, I can not imagine Liu Kang faring too well against Superman. I think the best explanation you could give is some sort of gimmick involving Liu Kang's chi enabling him to kick Superman around.

Superman is weak against two things kryptonite and magic. When the merge of the universes occurs he will be weakened, and the MK characters will power up so, there's gonna be a ballance!

Only character from DC who would actually take down MK would be Superman.

I swear i was just having this conversation with my cousin yesterday.

We came to a couple of realizations.

1. This is exactly why we should have power scales//grids or something like it in MK. Something that gauges the experience of MK characters and so on...I'd even say something simple like the Character Profiles that we used to have would be enough. Age, weight, Height...origin that sort of thing.

2. There are slim to none of the main well known characters of the DC universe, that would fair well against MK's Universe....under the presence of "conditions"

Whoever said it first, Batman and Wonder Woman. There you go, they're about it from DC.

3. Mortal Kombat doesn't benefit from the vs game, unless we get to win, or stalemate them in the story or something. Think about it, unless we win the fight, we take the hit for the T rating and no fatalities and all that just because they're DC.

So I deduce, that since we can't kill them, we almost have to be able to win the fight.....Cuz the playing field is not even, AND cuz, we're simply, more skilled killing machines than they are. It's all we do on the MK-side. I think DC needs to prove to a wider-younger audience, that they still have the "chops"...even though the information is there to prove it's true regardless. So, they wanna get in the dirtiest fighting game in the genre, and show everybody that they can in fact get dirty too.

But anyway, not enough of the DC characters are skilled enough to win under the circumstances MK vs DC present. Magic, almost automatically reduce a vast majority of the JL to defeat-able, capture-able, and even kill-able.

So, we'll either stalemate the DC characters, or we'd win.

Another interesting perspective is What the MK characters are capable of, on the DC side of this..."merger". Nothing so far that I've seen, heard, or read says that the MK characters will suffer somehow, from being over there. But there's two story sides supposed to be in this game right?

If I take Raiden over there, he'd still kick a bunch of ass. He's being matched up with Doomsday or Darkseid(can't remember) and both of those characters kick Superman's ass all over the place. Especially if this contest doesn't warrant that Raiden surrender his normal form for human form. Even though he can look the same in either celestial, or human form.

He'd give all three of those characters an extremely tough time if they think they'd "just win", and want to fight one on one....on their turf. And on top of that, he'd keep coming back....he has all eternity behind him, and in front of him.....

The catch..The thing is, with these extremely powerful characters.... it's always geographically sensitive. "Where" they can have the power they have...Raiden is reluctant to stay on Outworld. Which is where the MK side of this, seems to be set...*shrugs* So what would this "merger" do to Raiden? Reduce him further on THAT realm, or make geography irrelevant?

We need power levels//gauges//scales, or at least background information that informs us of skill, experience, knowledge and wisdom for both sides of this thing.

That's my thought on it though..

The big problem with MK is vagueness.

Just how powerful are the mk gods.

It’s not confirmed at all Raiden’s or Fujin’s true form is any more powerful than their human form. But it is confirmed the original Sub-Zero defeated the fire god/water god/earth god and Fujin (had no reason to fight Raiden). That to me throws a monkey wrench in what I used to think.

Just how powerful is Scorpion:
- He can teleport, how far? And where to?
- It’s showed he can teleport his opponent to the netherrealm, this would cause him to gain strength while his opponent loses. Who can/can’t this be done to?
- He can summon hellfire, limitless? And how exactly?


On a lot of sites around the net, I think MK is being pretty damn underestimated (not here so much). They’re almost on level ground already.