I'm hating 4 things in this game:
1- Stupid Fatalities (like Kira's, Kabal's, Bo Rai Cho's, Sindel's, and some that I don't remember or didn't see yet).
2- Stupid Humor (I could even like Bo Rai CHo, if he didn't try to be so funny).
3- Nightwolf's costume. He looks like a pirate, not a indian
4- Too many time spent on mini games. Mortal Kombat is a fighting game. If they want to try another approach, they are welcome, but do it in a differente project. If they want to try something else, release it as another game (like Street Fighter Puzzles or Mortal Kombat Mythologies. I think they could use this time improving the fighting side of this game (like being more creative with fatalities, if the lack of creativity is result of lack time, of course).

I have a few things in mind that I think should be fixed for MK7.
#1 = The fight engine needs a serious overhaul.
#2 = I see too much copying and pasting of styles and special moves. They need to be more creative with this.
#3= The fighters should have a lot of special moves. Not just 2-3 specials. There should be a lot more for a 3D fighter IMO.
#4= Rayden's lightning toss should look like actual lightning, like in the intro FMV. Not like a ball of light. Leave that for someone like Ashra.
#5= Projectiles should cause damage to the arenas.
#6= characters and stages look too clean. The clothes should look like they have been used, not bran new. Stages should look like things have happened there in the past or like they are old.
Some stages look like this in MKD, like the Pit 1 for example you can see that there have been past battles there.
I think that's good for now.
Those are just things that I'd like to see in MK7.

xcarnagex Wrote: shadowreaver Wrote: 2- One fatality formula, played out over and over. How many ways can you make someone fall apart? MK:D will answer this question soon. Agreed. For what MKDA's fatalities lacked in creativity, I'd say they were a step up graphically from Deception's fatalities. MKD's seem to look a lot like MK4's.

This is something i definately agree with 100%.
I'm dissapointed with alot of the fatalities so far. Some of them look rushed and un-original, as if the MK staff didnt put to much time into them. I hate the whole "crumbling" and falling into pieces effect in some of the fatalities. IMO it looks flat-out boring.
For example.......In Kiras one fatality, she cuts you and then kicks you and you fall back into pieces.......lame IMO. This also goes for Ashrah's fatality where she uses her magic and makes you crumble apart..........how original. Then theres KABALS fatality where he spins you and makes you break into pieces with his hooksword.......i mean come on, not Kabal! I was expecting something so much better for him. I dont think his is HORRIBLE but it definately didnt impress me.
Another thing i'm not happy with in MKD is the GAMEPLAY engine. Pretty much the same as MKDA's except with some slight speed. They really need to change this in MK7.
- Noob Smoke.........WTF!? I want Noob Saibot and Smoke to be themselves seperately, not working together as a tag team! This is something that made me extremely pissed, i just couldnt believe it. I had so much hope that i would get to play these 2 characters individually and now there a tag team. I hate it with a passion. Its a big let down for me.
- The fighting styles. Alot of them seem to just be re-arranged for different characters. There are DOZENS of fighting styles out there, why couldnt the MK staff give each character 2 all-new different fighting styles? Its boring and dissapointing to see new characters with old fighting styles IMO. Its pure lazyness. Some characters even have the weapons of characters that were in MKDA......coughKOBRAcough. *sigh*
- Noob Smoke being our sub-boss. So first they decided to make them a tag team and now they decided to make them our sub-boss? Like OMFG. I was expecting a crazy, big, strong, and powerful sub-boss but instead i get Noob Smoke in which i'm already dissapointed with. And one would think that the DK has a powerful henchmen on his side that could be our sub-boss. Honestly, i was expecting something like a evolved Reptile with large teeth and sharp crawls, something wild and vicious.
- Some of the character Bio's.......like Kabals. I would like something FRESH to the returning characters bio's.
Meh, theres more things i dislike but i cant think of them all right now. But those are mainly the ones i'm purely dissapointed with. Dont get me wrong i'm looking really forward to MKD. Its just that somethings can be a let down.

Knowledge31u Wrote: No offense, but with an attitude like that people are going to run a train on you in the real world whenever you make it here. u know wat, shut up and dont even know me so i dunno y yur saying stuff like that to me.....u dunno how many stuff i have accomplished with my own attitude and u know wat, im no fat bastard.....get yur research straight before u write something......and u know, i really hope u do meet a military man so he can teach u how to respect........adioS.....

Working their butts off?
I would much rather Boon and his team had been working on improving the GAMEPLAY then getting MKD online.
I think it's a complete waste of time getting it online, if the fighting styles, special moves, and core fighting mechanics weren't improved more first.
I'm sick of hearing about hyrbid characters now. This all reminds me of the glory days of the Becky and John Turk palette swaps.
Kira = Kano/Sonya
Ermac = Kenshi
Ashrah = Rayden/Kung Lao
Why do I keep seeing old moves from MK4 and MKDA being used on brand new characters in MKD? I'll tell you why, cuz instead of making completely new characters and moves, Boon and his team spent their time getting 3 different gaming modes online.
Let's hope MK7 finally gets the core things right, before giving us loads of extras.

Wow so much negative crap. If your unimpressed with MK:D, why bore everyone about dissing our favorite franchise when you can go play Tekken or Street Fighter or whatever the hell people think is "Better". Complaining 24/7 to people on here who either 1. Don't care, or 2. Are happy with it (like me) it isn't going to get you anywhere. If you are unhappy with Mortal Kombat: Deception, write the fuck in to Midway and TELL THEM so they'll know what to fix next time. They ain't freaking psychic. They don't know what your thinking. So make your voice heard instead of making useless threads that are just going to end up getting closed because of everyone who wantas to argue over it. Thats as sensible as I can be on this subject because really, if you don't make your voice heard to the people that are working their asses off to continue a game series you love, they are going to keep making the same mistakes unless you tell them yourself "A lot of people don't like this and this and this. A lot of people might look at the game better if it does this or has this instead". Drop them an e-mail. Do something. Because I AGREE with a lot of the stuff on here. But if we want our beloved Mortal Kombat to get better, WE NEED TO ACT instead of making useless threads that will just get closed.

If anyone doesn't like MK D, and they wanna bitch, then why don't they just get out of here. I mean, this game isn't perfect, what game is? This game just has MK on it, it has blood, fatalitites, and interesting storyline, different characters, many levels... What the fuck else do you want? I thought all of us here wanted to play the fucking game cuz it looks like the coolest thing, not waste our time comin on a game site and dissin it.
Peace.

Hey how about this you don't like the game don't play it, don't post, don't come to this site. You need to stop wasting space with your "MK:D the game i've never played sucks" your all idiots the game has yet to come out what your seeing is no the final version. To the guy who made this thread...you suck...simply put.

Okay lets talk about this like the mature people I know we all are. Complaining on here will get nowhere. I seriously think, and I myself and very willing to try writing into Midway/MK Team and voicing all of our opinions on characters who should return, what needs work, what is great, what should return/what shouldn't return, you know? We need to act and help our favorite series stay alive. Not sit here and whine while what we want to happen never happens because we never tried to get our voices heard.

You're right. This thread is so much worse than "Who's sexier, Kitana or Li Mei".
Just because someone is an MK fan dosen't mean they can't have their gripes.

All jokes put aside, I am seriously putting a letter together right now, and I am including all the REASONABLE stuff that has been posted in this thread and I WILL send it if I can find an e-mail address and I will post it as soon as it's done too so all of ya'll can see because we buy the game, our opinions should matter. No doubt in my mind Mortal Kombat: Deception will be one of the best if not THE best in the series, but there are flaws, and MK Team has the right to know what we think and how we feel about certain stuff.

Good luck.

BringBackReptile Wrote: Hey how about this you don't like the game don't play it, don't post, don't come to this site. You need to stop wasting space with your "MK:D the game i've never played sucks" your all idiots the game has yet to come out what your seeing is no the final version. To the guy who made this thread...you suck...simply put.

You are absolutely incorrect.
I hate it when people say things like this. Its not about "not playing the game" or "not posting". Just because someone has an opinion on something in MKD that they dont like doesnt mean they shouldnt play MKD or shouldnt post about it. There are lots of things i dont like about MKD and OBVIOUSLY i'm still gonna buy it and play it.
People are just releasing there opinions on MK, about things they dont like. If YOU dont agree or dont like this thread then dont post in it. This thread is for people who dont like something about MKD.
Grow up.

While I'm putting this together in a way that I'm hoping might get a response, can someone try and hook me up with an e-mail address to send it to?

My biggest problems that I had with Deadly Alliance seem like they have been fixed.
I had a problem with the Konquest mode just being pointless copy the movements. While these were good in teaching new players, it needed more exploration and story. The new Konquest definetely fixes this.
I thought the speed was too slow. I see that its been sped up a bit so it should be fine.
Too few fatalities. Since its one of MK's biggest selling points, that was pretty disapointing. This is fixed.
No secrets. I had a problem with the krypt being where all the content was located since its just a matter of time of unlocking the coffins and not really exploratory where I think secrets should be. This looks like it will be fixed with the krypt still involved but less a part of the unlocking and exploring.
I never really got very deep into the game where I would notice unbalancing with the characters because I did not keep Deadly Alliance very long since Soul Calibur 2 is vastly superior to it in every way imaginable, but I hope the balancing with the characters are fixed for the pro MK players to be satisfied. Then maybe I'll go really deep into the gameplay.

I just put my ideas about this game. I think this won't be better than MK1 or MK2. I am a big fan. I played every Mortal Kombat game since its relase, 12 years ago. I'm here to tell things that I am not liking in MKD. For me, I think that MK1 and MK2 were great, without major flaws. MKD hadn't released yet and I'm seeing somethings that I don't like. That's why I'm posting here. That's why I'm disscussing here. If you have something to tell, that's great. What I think it's really stupid is that kind of people who doesn't agree with you and starts to flame you. The name of this forum is MK: DECEPTION DISCUSSION. I am here to disscuss. If there is something that I don't like, I will post here. Discuss involves hear and respect other's opinions, opinions that may not be like yours. If this forum isn't the place for that, please, change the name of this DISCUSSION FORUM for something like BOON'S LOVERS FORUM and I will go away from here ...

First off, I would like to state that I don't hate MK, i have been playing it since it has been around and I DO PLAN ON BUYING THIS GAME, EVEN IF I DON'T LIKE EVERYTHING IN IT, I REPEAT, I AM BUYING THIS GAME! so don't tell me if i don't like it than don't play it, cause i will. But here's some things that suck:
1. Noob Smoke- I finally thought that these characters would have some chance to become bigger but instead they've become a duo, even though they are two completely different characters.
2. Bo Rai Cho- Is it just me or did the maturity level of MK humor drop as it's players got older. How come in the first game you got to punch people in the balls, and now it's been downgraded to cheesy fart jokes. The only thing that makes a fart funny is when it is convieniently timed in real life, watching and hearing a video game character fart is not funny.
3. Weak fatalities- All of the four new ones completely sucked. Ashrah was stabbing a doll but not cutting off it's arms yet her opponents arms were falling off....this stupid disembowelment is getting out of hand. Bo Rai Cho having 2 fire fatalities and scorpion as far as now having none is retarded.
4. Hari-Kiri- Maybe this is because I'm from South Jersey (kill yourself capital of America), but I not only think promoting suicide in a game is not a good message to be sending out to younger gamers, but what is the point of becoming skillful at this game if the people you beat can punch in a combo to take the fun of the victory away from you.

Maybe what people mean to say in a non-offensive way is "I'm really hyped so please don't try to destroy the experience with negativity". LOL

Here is the roughdraft. Post what you want me to add, and I will change it into something a bit nicer if it's completely moronic and rude because the point of this is we actually want a response.
Mortal Kombat Team,
I am a part of the Mortal Kombat Online website/forum and I have been a Mortal Kombat fan my whole life. Your newest edition, "Deception" is looking to be one of the best and everyone is very much looking forward to getting our hands on it. The storyline from what we know so far is outstanding. The characters are all looking outstanding. And once again you have amazed us. But we, at MKO, feel there are some flaws and some stuff that we, the fans, would like to see improved upon in the next installment of the series. From looking at Deception, there will no doubt be another one.
A lot of the members of the site/forum seem to agree that it would be awesome if the blood was put more into a realistic kind of way. And most of us tend to agree that Bo' Rai Cho has no doubt A LOT of potential as a future Mortal Kombat character but most don't like the ongoing farting. It's funny in the long run for a while, but most find it cheesy. Most people very much love the character Nitara and would love to see her back. Another thing people are disappointed with are the fatalities. Most find them "eh" and normal. I think people were expecting more of a brutal, torture kind of look on fatalities having the dark nature that Deception brings to the MK series. The way they fall apart is a good look on it, but isn't it kind of wierd?
A lot of the people find Ashrah to be one of the best new characters in the game. Most, whom I know, are comparing her to the greats like Sonya and are sure she will become a fan favorite once Deception hits the stores. Hotaru seems really promising and I, for one, am very happy to see another great fresh face making an appearance in the game. Kira, most people agree, has a lot of potential, but they want her to be more original, make her a woman of her own. Give her her own moves, her own styles, so she can make a mark on people and have them go "WOW, cool new character!" and not "What? She's just like Sonya and Kano?" And also, while we don't know what Noob-Smoke will be like, or how he will play or how good the actually outcome will be with him, most are upset about the "fusion" of two well-beloved characters. I'm sure that is easy to understand but from my standpoint, for the longest time, these were the two most hyped characters on the forum boards and when the news broke, then came hysteria. Haha. I think its a different and rather cool idea but it is up for ya'll to decide the outcome of these two wonderful characters.
On a brighter note, everyone has brought the Hara-Kiri's into our gaming lives with open arms and everyone loves them. They are so dark and twisted, they make us want to cry with such a great finisher in Deception. All of the characters we have seem so far, which from the notes we've heard of their being Super Secret Characters is not much, we all are taking them into our hearts and loving them very much. We are eating up the footage we recieve like candy and we are all very hyped. Me personally because of the return of my favorites such as Tanya, Kabal, Ermac and Nightwolf. Konquest mode seems to be the biggest thing I am looking forward to as far as the stuff included that isn't Arcade mode. Konquest is looking awesome and ya'll seem to have put a lot of effort into it, and it VERY much paid off. Congrats!
Though we cannot go into much more features with the reason being the game has not been released yet, I would like to say that the MKOnline members are very much pleased with Deception and we simply cannot wait to buy it and have it forever to play and bring joy into our lives while dismembering opponents body parts and watching them scream in horror.
Long live MK
MKOnline member "KenshiMaster16"

BringBackReptile Wrote: Hey how about this you don't like the game don't play it, don't post, don't come to this site. You need to stop wasting space with your "MK:D the game i've never played sucks" your all idiots the game has yet to come out what your seeing is no the final version. To the guy who made this thread...you suck...simply put.

The people who can figure out the flaws of MKD before the game comes out are smart, mature for the most part and open minded.
I don't know where you get your ideas.
The things people have posted so far are obvious things that can be pointed out just by watching a video.
If you can't see those things, then.....well, I don't know what to tell ya.
I guess just keep and open mind and try to think of what would be better.
It's very easy.
On a side note: You really should learn to respect other people. Insulting people makes you look immature. I don't like to be insulted and I'm sure you don't either.
Just try to keep that in mind when posting in the future.
Before you told me to shut up, and now you include me when you say that we are all idiots.
To tell you the truth, I'm getting sick of it.

KenshiMaster16 Wrote: Wow so much negative crap. If your unimpressed with MK:D, why bore everyone about dissing our favorite franchise when you can go play Tekken or Street Fighter or whatever the hell people think is "Better". Complaining 24/7 to people on here who either 1. Don't care, or 2. Are happy with it (like me) it isn't going to get you anywhere. If you are unhappy with Mortal Kombat: Deception, write the fuck in to Midway and TELL THEM so they'll know what to fix next time. They ain't freaking psychic. They don't know what your thinking. So make your voice heard instead of making useless threads that are just going to end up getting closed because of everyone who wantas to argue over it. Thats as sensible as I can be on this subject because really, if you don't make your voice heard to the people that are working their asses off to continue a game series you love, they are going to keep making the same mistakes unless you tell them yourself "A lot of people don't like this and this and this. A lot of people might look at the game better if it does this or has this instead". Drop them an e-mail. Do something. Because I AGREE with a lot of the stuff on here. But if we want our beloved Mortal Kombat to get better, WE NEED TO ACT instead of making useless threads that will just get closed.

Actually it's quite well documented that Vogel, and to a lesser extent Boon (and i'm sure theres others we don't know of), visit these boards, so if you have an idea you think they should hear, posting it here is the best place to do it, rather than writing emails that will most likely be dismissed.

BringBackReptile Wrote: Hey how about this you don't like the game don't play it, don't post, don't come to this site. You need to stop wasting space with your "MK:D the game i've never played sucks" your all idiots the game has yet to come out what your seeing is no the final version. To the guy who made this thread...you suck...simply put.

NO U R
(sorry, i just couldn't help myself )

People are allowed to post what they dont think looks good. Its just a discussion. Too many of you are responding to these posts as if its some flame war being done by some Tekken lover who is just trying to talk shit.
Everyone on this board is a Mortal Kombat fan... I have not seen one post in this thread that would suggest otherwise. Just because there are some things that someone may not like, does not mean they think the game is going to be complete shit and/or unplayable.
Now, this isnt direct at anyone specific: I feel like im talking to a bunch of 15 year olds. Some of you seriously need to grow up, because in the real world, around adults, people have differences.
So if someone says, I dont like Bo Rai Cho because of this this and that, instead of attacking them, and telling them to leave, maybe you could state what it is about Bo Rai Cho that makes you like him, or why you feel the person is wrong.
Because seriously, this thread has a lot of good points, and the only responses I can see are those that demand the person to leave the board... but no one can say, no your wrong because " " and " ".
Most of the people on here have been MK fans since the beginning, meaning most of us are over the age of 20 and would be considered adults. This is a very popular message board where both Adults and children visit. Instead of the Adults having to drop down to the level of children, how about you children start acting like mature people... because the only time in real life that any adult lowers themselves to that of a child, is when they are playing with a 3 year old and trying to connect with them so the child understands what the adult is saying.
Just to reiterate the main point of my essay, just because someone is saying they dislike one part of the game, that does not mean they hate the game. So rather than taking it as a personal insult because someone offend you by saying Mortal Kombat has its flaws, maybe you can respond by saying how you disagree.
Or you could not and just go one with acting like a 12 year old.

You all may be shocked as hell to see me, one of Deadly Alliance/Deception's biggest (or at least, fattest) defenders, coming here to voice my thoughts but I am smart enough to recognize the games are not perfect.
- MKDA was desperately in need of a variety of moves, Deception doesn't appear to have corrected this much. I'm not asking for 150 moves per character. That's ridiculous and unrealistic. All I ask is more than 4 really good moves per style. With more diverse animations for similar moves.
- Certain Fatalities, such as Kira's non-torso rip and the Prison Stage deathtrap, make no sense. I understand that Deception wants to show off their new limb slicing technology, but breaking them into perfectly sliced pieces (especially with Kira's) doesn't sell well. They're not hopeless; they just need tweaking.
- It looks too easy to knock your opponent into a deathtrap. This makes me wonder if matches will even occur that don't end this way. I don't know about you, but when I'm playing Virtua Fighter 4: Evolution and Wolf chucks me out of the ring with his sliver of health and mine still at full, it's a little frustrating. Especially considering that you don't even have to be near the edge to fall victim to this. An MKD example of this problem can be found in the Darrius -vs- Dairou matchup vid, where Darrius launches Dairou into the molten press with Dairou fairly far from the red "danger" line.

I think that the main reason that people have alot of gripes about the game is becuase they start off having far too many expectations of their own about how the game should be.
If you want the game to have 5 fatalities per character and it only has one youll be pissed , if you want there to be a cartain character and that person isnt there then you get pissed.
Just go into it without all those rediculous expectations and im sure youll enjoy the game for what it is.
I personally lost alot of interest about the game a while back but recently ive seen a bunch of videos of the game play including fights and the mini games and it looks outstanding.
When i heard that Winged dude say "I win" i got so hyped, and hearing the sounds of MK got me even more hyped.
Ive never been a die hard fan of MK and never had a favourite character so the roster isnt a big issue for me.
I dont know exaclty what to expect from this game, what i have seen lately makes me feel that it will be a fun game worth my hard earned dollars and i have anticipation to actually play the game and see whats left to discover.

Bezou Wrote: - Certain Fatalities, such as Kira's non-torso rip and the Prison Stage deathtrap, make no sense.

I agree with that 100%. In fact, I dont understand some of the deathtraps. I can understand the natural ones (falling off a cliff) and the ones that are on a stage that is an actual battle arena.
But the ones that are just there... like the Prison stage... I mean seriously, who decides to build a prison and while making it thinks, hmm, how about we put in the machine that will kill anyone who gets in it. I mean, I understand its another relm and its ruled by a mad man, but the point of a prison remains the same no matter where it is, and that is to have people u dont want roaming society out... roaming society and u want to discipline them.
Now if it was some sort of torture device, then fine, but it doesnt appear to be, its just sitting there in the wall... a inmate could go on a killing spree with that thing.
The Molten Press makes sense, as does Quan Chi's lasers.
But ok... I gigantic Dragon or serpent head that only eats you when u get in it? Hmm. It reminds me of the trash cans with the Lions heads that they use to have back in the 80's at the amusement parks.
I could be way off, but it seems to me if there were two people in a dragon lair, and the dragon was hungry, it wouldnt wait for you to get into its mouth before it ate you... just my opinion tho.
Theres other things, but ill give you all some time to digest that before i piss you off any further.