war gods was midways fist test as a 3d game,, yes it was a test for mk4 there first 3d game..

POWERED BY ZEUS..

the kid grinch was a tester for the game he worked for midway, it was there test run.


arcades mean nothing??? where do u think all fighting games fan bases came from??? if u say home versions than LOL, people who grew up playing mk on super nes and other home systems were not real mk players.


ur not even close,,, im not negative towards mk, i just speak the facts.

when u have all these ideas for a game, and u are put within a 2 yr time frame, when u get to that 18 month point, its ok whatever is done use, whatever isnt scrap... thats the differnce between mk and other games.

its not the mk teams fault, midway is a public trading company, the ceo's have stockholders to make happy. so they just look at is from a business point of view.

home versions ports only have change nothing though, no arcade port was ever released finished ( NOT ONE) but they used to make revisions to fix all the games, not something they have to do anymore since they get there 49.99 up front now.. there profit dont come from how many quarters a person keeps comming back to dump into a machine.

u think i bash mk and there games cause i hate them,,, i bash them cause its the truth.

i play mk, but tekken, and almost all other fighters do the right thing, and there games are just better.

Yeah seriously man, lol war gods is NOT MK. It's a totally different game despite the fact if they were testing it as a 3D format prior to MK4. MK4 and WG play totally differently, I have WG some where and I have MK4. They're nothing alike other then similar looks in some ways.

I disagree about every other fighter doing better, like I said Tekken/VF are insanely popular in asia no doubt, in the usa I hear of it spoken here and there but not nearly as much as MK, SF, DOA.

SC is a button masher seriously, the game isn't that hard to play. KI the other day I played at my buds house, you know that game has no skill compared to any other game. My friend did a 76 hit combo with Orchid and he hasn't played the game in years but just button mashing...I beat the game on hard with Fulgore buy doing the same thing over and over...yeah the game is easy as hell to play. MK you won't win by button mashing.

I'm aware btw about the MK:DA supposed to have been the last arcade MK but they decided not to do it. When I read that way back from midway I was like WOw that sucks but ehh arcades are a dead scene now and have been for a while sadly...

ki is as far from a button masher as a game could be.

Well, I'm just saying that with KI I can beat the game by literally pressing buttons and doing the same projectile over and over, with MK I can't.

ur not playing ki, ur playing a bad n64 version, nuff said. play a real AI.


funny in umk3 i can just jump back with scorp when they jump at me spear combo,... but u cant just use 1 move in mk.


u play a real opponent in ki a button mash, u will lose very very very fast.

Dude, seriously UMK3 is much more of a challenge then any KI any day of the week. But that's the CP anyway...there's always ways or tricks to beat the machine in any fighting game once you detect their pattern. MK is one of the hardest though in general.

The scorpion jump back, spear, combo repeat trick won't work certain characters and definitely won't work on Motaro. You have to use different tactics against him.

Red is right on this one. Killer Instinct is absolutely the farthest thing from a button-masher. Even playing the computer (Snes or Arcade), you can't mash and win. I took it online (Zsnes with Zbattle.net) and trust me, it's fucking difficult. It's not a great server, so I didn't play long enough to learn everything. But from what I did play, I'm positive... you button-mash, you get your ass beat.

Combo-system is really intricate, especially considering that this was back around 1995. I've said forever, that I hope they make a new/remake Killer Instinct. It's the ONLY fighting game that matches MK in the coolness department.

how can u say mk3 requires more skill than ki.

mk is basic dials with every guy.

kis combo system is much harder and advanced.


u can not mash in ki and perforn big combos, when it requires joystick playment in the combos. ur comments prove u have zero clue about the game, and have never even played it besides playing on n64 which does not count.

home version ports are not real games, they are crap games for non hardcore gamers or real arcade players.

Truth to both Chaos and Red.

Killer Insticts combo system could easily survive with even todays best fighting games.

Too bad it wasnt very popular

It sure deserves to be....


I have been hearing rumors of KI3 for 360 sometime soon. If thats true... I'll be picking me up a 360 just for that game.

KI for 360 has been in the news for sometime now. I loved KI! The sound effects and all the crazy combos. I hope they port it to 360 soon.

Ok, that has to be one of the funniest post ever. Man, would love see shocks, dreemers reaction to that KI is better then UMK3 comment lol.

That's why KI is ohh yeah...dead now? and UMK3 is one of the hottest fighters on the online market right now with thousands of players? Let's see here thousands on the 360 and a lot still on the MAME servers..that will also only increase this november once it hits the DS also yet I don't see any KI games talked about or anything in this point in time.


Much harder? I don't think so, I picked up that game and beat it on hard just doing the same combos with orchid, my friend did the 75 hit combo with ease for both the SNES and N64, I beat the computer with fulgore but just doing the same push move and fireball...yeah, that's a real challenge....And another thing, the N64 version hardly changed from the SNES one as far as basics and graphics. So what you're saying is that KIG sucks balls am I right?

As far as human players, well no doubt in any fighter humans will no doubt give a better challenge obviously...then a CP however, I've NEVER seen in my life in any arcade that I've been to KI games being played competitively by anyone.....

I'd like to see you play my friend, he loves KI but even admits it's no MK, SF or any other fighter. The series didn't get past 2 games, I'd say that's pretty bad actually. Hell, I've seen more peeps on Primal Rage way back then on KI.

It was always SF, MK, Tekken etc. I've never ever seen anyone on a KI machine more then 5 minutes seriously..way back in the good old arcades.

Despite the mechanics in KI, if it was such a great series it wouldn't have died so quickly, the fans would be making a much better effort like the MK fans did a few years back and RARE has to seriously stop lying to the fans every two years just to shut you up saying" We are thinking of making a KI3 for the KI fans"

I've played it enough to judge it, MK and SF are much, much better games overall and series as well.

once it gets ported to 360 all hell is gonna break loose and ima have to get back into KI groove
haha

once again u ramble about mk3, when u have no clue about ki... HOME VERSIONS ARE NOT THE SAME,,, not even close. ki gold was trash.

lol, here's betting that day will never happen....


To red, you're the one that said "KI is better and tougher then UMK3" not me, if you seriously think that then you need a reality check.

KI for SNES and N64 are different but not by THAT much, you're acting as if it's a drastic change like say MK1 compared to MKA or SF II to SF III where there are actual big time changes.

So let me get this straight, if KIG is crap(not saying it is, not saying it isn't) then that would make KI2 for SNES the only good KI game right? WOw...no wonder the series died.

any game convrted to home version is crap..

how can u call urself a old skoll gamer when u play fightign games on snes..

thats a joke.

there is no way u can argue that the umk3 engine is more delevloped than ki.

each mk charcter had what 2 useable dials,, where as ki had endless combinations, and all were useful. not the typical lets give a guy 10 dials but only once is useful like mk does.

ur friend did a 75 hit combo, yeah 40 hits of that is the ultra combo which u cant do to the round is over.

a mk3 dial takes 3 trys to learn, u go practice a 20 hit ki combo with tj combo, and tell me how many hours it takes u to get it.


but mk has more depth. LOLOLOLOL

I am just going to add this. I played KI a few times. It wasnt entertaining for me. It seemed almost too over the top. (not that MK isnt) but it really didnt keep my attention. Being that the purpose of game is to have fun...well for me KI is far inferior in that key category.

Also Red...maybe its time to change your sig. Its kinda silly saying MKF runs and showing a sig say you own him after he beat you the way he did.

Damn....wish i had made a stipualation of the fight that you take down the sig and write MKF owns Red as new sig.

mayeb i should have just left after 2 games like he does vs easy.

i guess im suppose to play games where hes stupidly safe, but he can quit.

mav when u want that beatdown??

scorp bo are waiting. maybe u learned how to parry the most predictable move in this game.

It's time for me (yet again and again) to clear up some stupidity in this sad thread...

MKF = stupid fool. Don't you live in New York? Do you know that New York has one of the bigger Tekken scenes out there? MK doesn't even compare. Stop pulling up random gibberish from your ass for the 1000000th time.

Red, I'm tired of your excuses. Stop playing MK:A (like I did) if you don't like it. I really think off-line MK:A is a decent game (even though it's still trash compared to others of course). Nonetheless, I would definitely give it a try if people held tournaments for it.

Tekken 5: DR will be online soon for the PS3. Of course it will lag...probably even more than MK:A. But at least you won't have to worry about people crying about certain glitches and infinite combos because they are none.

I hear you Dave.


I dont think that Tekken will lag more than MKA. If the Koreans and Japanese people are out there testing it, I'm sure it will be much more reliable. I think they know what they are doing.

The only thing that holds barricades... is people's connections. I'll bet if your boosting 4 Mbps or more... you should be good to go. Anything below 2 Mbps will probably render online play useless... and juggles will be non existing.

In any case... the server's location is what hits the most. If the server is anywhere near a coast (were talking VERY coast), it will be stuid, and will make online play shitty for an opposite coast.

If anything... the most exceptional state for a server to be in is Texas. Since its smack dab in the middle. I'm hoping that they have more than just one server on the NTSC region, so people can connect to a coast that would suit their connection.

In any case... I'm picking up a PS3 either this summer, or in November for the price cut (probably wont be big). A new computer is in order first though. I still look forward to scraping with you on that bro.

They can test all they want. Namco's crew might be knowledgeable when it comes to fighting game engines (unlike whoever the jokes were who put the 3D MK games together) but they can't make lag magically disappear.

Actually, I've played Tekken 5: DR on an HDTV at a friend's house. It was lagging a little bit, and even the little lag prevented us from doing any kind of juggles and throw escapes.

Hmm... you might try other cables if possible.

HDMI is probably your best option though.

I honestly dont see how a display would make a big increase in lag.... especially since the PS3, and XBOX 360 are designed to take full use of HD support.

There has to be something behind it, rather than the display..... if not... thats fucked up.

Juggles?! In Tekken?! Fuck that! It's all about keeping your opponent on the floor and making sure he doesn't get up. lol.

Red what beatdown are you refering to? I already have Booby, Booya, Meso, and Acne lined up. Take a number. When i see you on if you are not in practice mode (or whatever the hell you do) then send me a challenge...have you EVER heard of Mav turning down a challeng my name isnt Mavsaleen. Also Red last time I checked I have handled you pretty good our last match ups. Bring Bo and scorp. I have a few characters that handled you very well. The difference between me and you is that I didnt keep picking them. Well there are alot of other differences (I like to shower, I like woman, I have a life, I am not 25 living with my parents still etc.)

Also, you avoided the question...when are you going to change your sig being that it is totally bogus. The guy didnt run from you and actually owned your ass. Bad enough you werent man enough to own up to the loss, bad enough you blamed it on lag, bad enough that you couldnt even say GG to the guy...but to keep that sig after he destroyed you is just sad.

Dave=arrogant douche

First off once again you bring up Tekken...dude I don't give a rats as about Tekken, we are talking about MK, KI here yet you bring up tekken? why? lol....

Really? Where do you live? Let me tell you something actually they used to have a scene in little china town where your old dumb friend tru king used to brag and brag about how he used to "supposedly" travel all over the country to play other players...another moron who I challenged to MK online but he was afraid of a little lag...awee and just went on how he'd own me in Tekken...then again he was a coc head and got banned so...enough said about him.

I actually live here in NYC don't try to lecture me on which games are hot and which aren't. Guess what genius? Where I live there's a place STRICKLY for video games of every console and tournaments, if Tekken was SOOO big peeps would be headed there for PS tournaments. That's clearly not the case. In fact every time I go there, people are either playing the following when it comes to fighters:

I've seen much more play MVC2, SF 3, MK, SF or DOA. Sorry to bust your Tekken bubble but it's not exactly a top fighter in my area.

Perhaps some "underground" locations, not literally of course but you know what I mean. Seriously though, UMK3 and DOA 4 are the two biggest fighters online and off enough said. DOA4 is the only fighter to go professional I know because I have a friend online that I work with sometimes with other things and I do have proof so before you attempt to say I'm Bsing I'm not. In fact he would own anyone in this thread in the game.

Second, you act as if Tekken is soo perfect...I guess some tekken fans don't know what they're talking about because there's a few guys on here that say Tekken has it share of tricks to use such as certain corner situations. This is what other Tekken fans have told me via pm, whether it's true or not I really don't care point is no fighter is perfect and there's also either A. some glitch to abuse or B. a top tier character that owns most of the game. Enough said.


Yes, I do love MK but don't deny that the past few have had lots of problems glitch wise, I play MK because it's fun and I love the storyline which owns the other fighters easily. I'm a fan of everything with MK, not just online play.

If Tekken will lag worse the MKA, ha, ha good luck with that is all I have to say. At least Namco finally realizes they have to go online or look dumb since literally every other fighter beat them to the punch in the online department. DOA, MK, SF, KOF, VF(for the 360) and finally Tekken, at least it gives Tekken fans a chance to play each other without having to go on a plane and travel...which we all know is soooooo convienent.

Yes, I do love MK but don't deny the past two have problems glitche wise.

I know this will never happen but if Namco was smart they would try to get their game on the 360, just going on track record.


To red now, lol who says I strickly play SNES fighters? How you came to that conclusion puzzles the mind seriously...

I never said that, only saying that if KI only has one good game on a console that's sad.

Second, umm ok first off when I played eazy the lag/connection was 10X worse then our matches ok, even most on here felt you were just crying about me beating you 10-4 and trying to justify that when you were so confident the score would be `10-9, 10-5 you...not the case was it?

Our matches were very playable as most here agreed to that after watching them, you have a predictable pattern with Kabal relying on a glitch(shocker) to try to beat your opponents. You never parried if you did at all, you dashed me wayy too much and I simply blocked and countered. That has nothing to do with lag, that's just a mistake on your part and I capitalized.

You know I wouldn't talk seriously, you see if eazy beats me that bad what would he do to you given our series Red? hmmm

lol, if you complained about our matches ohh man I would love to see your view on eazy vs. you.

You say and type so much yet everything you say is so worthless.

You brought up Tekken first, not me. Every time you bring it up, I'll be here to clear up the ignorance and stupidity that is involved.

Dead or Alive and MK are played competitively? Where? These games are not even present at the biggest tournament scene - Evo, and there is a reason for that. Yes, they are played online, but that doesn't mean that they are played competitively online. Every idiot can play these games online now days, and hence, why you have 80 players online on the PS2, and all of them are below average players. What a waste of server space.

I'll give you MvC 2 and SF: 3rd Strike. They are played everywhere, and there is a big scene for that.

I've never said Tekken 5: DR is perfect gameplay wise. It will probably never be. The only thing I've ever said is that it's better than any of recent 3D trash the MK team has released over the last 5-6 years. I'm not sure what your little brain refers to as "perfection", but can we at least agree that a game with 100+ infinite combos and random glitches is trash?

Tekken 5: DR and VF will be online. They will lag. They will be very bad because of the advanced gameplay mechanics a game like MK:A hasn't even touched on. Once you know what they are, how frame data works in a fighting game, and once you understand their effects on online play, I'm sure we'll have something to agree on.