he is a REAL mk fanboy.
We need more ppl like him,really.
i totally agrre with him,even tough the times are changing i think that the old formula still works,otherwise UMK3 and MK3 on xbox and PS network should not be between the most played arcade games online.

i think that mk2 and UMK3 are still a true examble of plish gameplay and fast action,which mix up realism with fantasy,joke with seriety,gameplay and graphics,etc.

even tough some old fatlities were pretty stupid,i think the first three games were the best,better than Tekken,DoA and similar.

I agree 100%, but unfortunately, I doubt that we will see anything other than 3D action.

Actually, MKO forum member parts sais the next MK game will be in a 2D background. That is what I heard. Don't know if it's true or not.

You know what's peculiar is, that those games are still selling like they're brand new.

If future MKs don't at least become more like the first three games....I might start to question the learning curve...lol

On the other hand, it's probably smart that they keep making these new games so much different than Mk1-T. Because it allows them to continue to make more, and more money off the original games, and bank in on the "hopes" that the newest games will be more like the old.

They're getting too much money off of pure nostalgic fun to negate the old games, by creating a new game, that bares a striking enough resemblance to those old games. So, if it's about money, I'm not sure they'd ever want to "go back to the old" in anyway. Because it's a sure payday whenever they release the old stuff over.....and over.....and over.

lol

One last thing....If the old games sell like they do, what will happen to the Mks that we're getting now..in the future? I'm not sure they have the same nostagia and fan following as the old ones....but is that uncommon?

idk

I honestly think gameplay is actually my #1 concern. I stopped with deception because DA and Deception are just sooo slow and sluggish. Mortal Kombat 1-3 was like the Quake 3 of fighting games. Just because we like a less realistic type off game (cruis'n usa vs gran turismo for example) doesn't mean we're not a legit type of gamer.

I'd be happy with even a throwback to the original story.. the sort of chinese oriental red and gold themes.. the kung fu movie thing. They just got too crazy and most new characters suck balls. The costumes on the old characters are just crazy. I liked the simplicity.

A ninja with just black and some colored garbs. A guy in a chinese hat that came from big trouble in little china. A (chinese?) guy who just did a bunch of kicks with his tshirt off... I LIKED pallette swaps.

That is actually a fallacy. You are really doing a Red Herring, and sort of using a False Cause too.

Think about it.....these people who made SF sold tons and tons of SF variations....and yet MK makes a game....gives the compilation at a reduced or no cost at all....and still gets criticized? It's unconscionable.

I agree with you to a degree, but at this point in time, change seems like a good thing. Don't get me wrong, I'll always love the old 2D glory days of the MK franchise, but suffice to say, I don't want a rehash of the old MK1-T days with pretty, new graphics. I feel like the last generation of games, save for DA which I'll spare only because I actually enjoyed moreso than the other two and it was their first attempt at something new, were pure garbage. Despite this, I give the MK team credit because they tried something new. The learning curve wasn't too steep thanks in part to us fans for buying MKD which lead to the abomination that was MKA in the first place and giving them the impression that it was alright to continue on with something we obviously feel doesn't work by this point in time. The whole "back to the drawing board approach" seems like a much needed realization by Midway that we won't continue to invest in future games if something isn't done, and soon. That in mind, I think the most sensible thing to do would be to "combine", if you will, some of the old with the new.

Reguards to style...2D or 3D: By this point in time, we've had a WHOLE era of traditional 2D gaming. Many will disagree with me to this extent, but I just don't want to see two-dimensional fighting in my MK from this point on. We've had any number of games prior to last gen that pretty much nailed the formula down. Kudos, boys, now show me something that'll really impress me. ~_^ I'd say it's time for something new, but that doesn't necessarily mean I want another one of those plastic model-looking, clunky-moving 3D iterations, either. Imagine the third dimension fighting of the previous generation with a bit more freedom to move around and the "speed" of Shaolin Monk's VS mode. Not to say I want it to be that abstract, but just based on principle of speed and freedom of movement, it'd be a step in the right direction. Without getting into another one of those long, detailed descriptions of exactly what I mean, it'd come in handy for things like countering, use of environment, etc.

Sum it up: In short, give us something new, but don't forget where you came from! >.<

excuse me but we're not talking about 2D or 3D graphics,we're talking about emotions(nostalgia most of) and carisma.
and the carisma of the mk1-T games was unattainable!
the problem is different to me....
i think mk lose his own identity,trying to resemble more to soul calibur,tekken and DoA,forgetting about his glorious past and deleting all the originality from mk1 to trilogy.

we NEED a 3D game with UE3 but we need also originality,carisma and nostalgia effect.
nostalgia can be deleted by originality.

i don't like other fighting franchise,and i'm wondering why Midway try to resemble more to tekken rather the previous 2D games.

old characters were bastards,bad,brutal,assassins....the actual characters are,instead:SF rip off(kobra),guys who want to revenge his family(scorpion,dairou) silly storyline (like deception one) and abysmal characters(taven and shujinko) as main hero.
i still prefer liu kang to fit this role.


we don't need to change or "wipe the state clean" of all characters,instead we need to live back the old good days spent in arcades to play mk1 and mk2(i didn't like too much mk3,however it was pretty succesful).

Yeah... I wouldn't trust anything said until we hear it from the horse's mouth.

Not going to get into a long, drawn out arguement about what was or wasn't said. I'm going to let your own previous post speak for itself in regaurds to contradiction(s). I saw nothing about how your mention of so-called "nostalgic" feelings pertaining to how the older games made you feel. That's completely different than when I responded to OG's original topic. {"plish gameplay and fast action, etc." sound a bit more like technical aspects than anything to do with emotions to me}. Don't confuse "Style" with "Graphics",and I was very specific to leave an example about how I felt the gameplay's direction needed to go {Hence the 2D or 3D}. Moreover, if I misunderstood, then my apologies. Just don't contradict yourself if you're trying to make a point next time.

With that being said, the "feel" of MK has long since been dead. {MK4, anyone?} I'd love to see that more "Dark" or "Gritty" feel return that really started with MK2. The first just seemed to capture that mystical orient aspect...could just be me. Also, some of the characters, if you REALLY wanted most of the older ones to stick around, either need to be revamped big time or get ready to wipe that slate. It's a shame when you've got a cast spanning well over half a dozen games, and the backstories either don't change much beyond the same basic premise they've always had, or just plain suck to begin with. {I understand that when you've got the expanded cast MK does, writing tends to get a little tedious.} So what are we left with? Just to name a few examples, Scorpion STILL hasn't gotten his revenge, albeit the focus has shifted from Sub {FINALLY!} to Quan, but we've already had enough of it. Time to shape up or ship out, as they say. Liv Kang got offed, but it was no surprise we had the first four games before DA with the whole "Champion of Mortal Kombat" carrying his already declining storyline. Raiden is actually one of the few I'm glad to see them have made interesting again. Originally, Raiden was more along the lines of a neutral character than he was a "hero", but the gaurdian of earth thing was a nice touch, I'll admit. {See Raiden's ending in the first MK for details.}

I would love to see them bring back the glory days feel, but at the same time I have to accept that there will never be another MK2. It doesn't mean that they can't give us something to make us remember why we fell in love with MK in the first place. Like I said before, "Don't forget where you came from."

Yes, using a powerful engine like the Unreal Engine 3 to render a 2D background makes alot of sense...

What do you think you're talking about? There is no (lol) "fallacy". It's not uncommon for a business to exercise tactics that will maximize profit margins. What exactly is unconscionable about that thought process ($$)...to you?

And I don't really care for SF. That would be the red herring here.
The things I mentioned are options a company might employ, justifying a reason NOT to "return to form".

Maybe I read you wrong...but I doubt it though.

Simply put....the MK team does not bank on the older games. Truely each stad alone game is really that....stand alone. The games of 2002 and beyond....have nothing to do with the first 3 MKs. And the MK team isn't banking money on the hopes that it will be like something of the first three games man.

LOOK! Look what we have. We all know MKDA and beyond were going to be different games. It was obvious....the Aracade plateform was gone....the true 3D form started to appear....many things.

I'm not trying to pick a bone with you bra...I hope me and you can become friends. I do have great respect for you....I just like debating alot

O.k. first, "bank" was a figure of speech...but What?

Midway still owns the rights dude.....Boon is still the creator//Co-creator.... and since there is still an Owner >> Employee type relationship there between Midway and Mortal Kombat, he still gets paid for the games he helped make. I'm sure with the recent promotion he got, Boon is not an idiot when it comes to contracts....So, even though I'm not sure of what exactly is in his contract, I'm sure he still gets paid for the old games...

Testament to that, is that he still promotes those games on the multiple platforms himself. Wii, PsP, Ds...ect.

In business, you don't promote, unless you're getting paid for it.

To further that...

Those promotions help sell the old games....the sales from the old games help fund the MKTeam(pay peoples' salaries and such)....who are making the new games. That's management of a budget, and networking your resources to get a good product produced, advertised, manufactured, and released.

That's a common tactic employed in business, aside from just getting a bucket of money from Midway based on previous games' sales. As the head person, and the face of the series, you have to Find ways to make it work....or else it won't work. It doesn't just work off of the notoriety of the franchise.



Yea right. Nothing? Look at the roster. lol Look at the arenas....the storyline continues(or tries) back to Mk4...MkT....Mk3U....Mk3....Mk2....Mk1.

Dude I'm telling you, they make money off of nostalgia//heritage. It's what sells any video game for 15+yrs.

Lastly here, prove it. Prove that they aren't receiving moneys based on the first three games...And I will show you 10,000 fans who bought the new games based on how realistic the fmVs looked.(like the old games) >>>How bloody the game seemed(like the old games)>>>, the special moves and fatalities....(Like the Old Games)

That stuff came from the first couple games man...it's irrefutable. Whenever they make a new game they throw all kinds of hints and hues to the first three games in there. For What?!?

Because it came from the earlier games, and that's what people liked....that's what people bought, back then. So why wouldn't we buy it again....and again...and again....and again?




That solidifies my point though.

"We bought the new one...because of the old ones."

Nobody would have bought Mk if it had turned into a FPS, or a pure Chess or Puzzle, OR Racing game....cuz that's not what they're known for being good at. It would have failed terribly. Just like the second MK Movie because it didn't stay true to what we know MK for.



Never worry about it like that with me man. I don't take the tone of someone on the forum so seriously that I can't still have fun with it. I always have fun with this site.....because it's a game site. You know? I come here because most of the things that are said, and that happen on the boards are funny, interesting, or they spark new ideas about something else that I'm involved with in my life. Even though, aheh, sometimes when I read back over something I've typed out, it may "seem a way"...so I try to be careful.

But we could debate all day and my "mood ring" wouldn't change colors from cool blue....ya dig?

Well, if you want to put the bullet in MKs forehead by returning it to the sorry state of the MK1-MK4 like gameplay, sure, be my guest.

Blind herd-mindedness without actual backthought is what i absolutely loathe about any fandom.

Amen, brutha.

as long as reptile has some seperate apperence's like green skin but still the ninja cloths
(back on topic)
Im only 50/50 on the idea


as long as reptile becomes a combinatuion of all his costumes
and that the ninjas well still have there own unique looks
but anyway's im still 50/50 on the idea

I think that there are two distinct camps as far as what people want from an MK game. On one hand, there's this group of people that are very much into the nostalgia aspect. 2D graphics and classic MK gameplay where speed plays a large part in the gameplay. They see the most recent 3D offerings as slow and clunky and an overall effort to Tekkenize their favorite fighting series. MK has failed in the 3D realm, so why not go back and do what works and do it all the way.

Then there's the group that sees 3D gameplay as the present and future of fighting games. They want a game that has the best qualities of the best 3D fighting games. A ground game, well done combos, intuitive gameplay, precise controls down to the slightest frame of animation, and perhaps a more realistic approach (though not necessarily everyone in this camp would agree on this point) to fighting.

Personally, I don't think that because MK has failed in the past to properly meld the roots of MK to the current reality of fighting games, that MK can't do it in the future. Both sides seem to agree that MK:DA, MK:D and MK:A were not up to the prior standards (ie fun factor) of the past games. But I don't think that MK can't, after wiping the slate clean, create a new game that has the elements of the past mixed in with the gameplay of present fighting franchises.

I think that this thread is an illustration of why the MK team needs to wipe the slate clean. As long as they use the same characters over and over again, recycling the same stories etc, trying to recapture the past for the hardcore MK fanboys, the series will continue to struggle against the weight of its past accomplishments. MK fans are going to continue to put MK1, 2 and 3 on a pedestal while seeing the new 3D games as garbage.

I agree that 3d graphics killed Mk but i would love to see them go back to 2D with 3d environments. I think the way there making Street Fighter 4 could be pretty cool and maybe MK should follow.

Might as well go back to 2D with 2D enviroments with crappy graphics lol.

I want MK8 to be 3D graphics but make the 3D graphics by digitizing actors and actresses like in MKT and prior. It'll be like watching a movie!!!

I actually prefer the mulitple fighting styles. I find it's harder to get bored with a character with them.