GraveDigger Wrote: You may believe that there are moves better then the Ice Blast and The Spear Queve, But that's mainly just you, lol. And what? For every one person that likes maybe Bo' Rai Cho more then Scorpion or Sub-Zero... There's 10 new people to take that one person's place. You also say that "Because they are cool" is worn out. No it's not, Because after all of these years... People still love them. And does anyone play as maybe Liu Kang because he's Earths champion? Or did you guys play as him because of his Bycicle Kick? I know i did. Every character in MK is repetitive except the new characters, But then they become repetitive in the next game (if they're in it).

Wrong, very wrong. There are better moves for other people. The spear and ice blast are classics, but come to think about it, not original at all. Then we have special moves that are loved as kuch like the leg gfrab and nut punch dont we?
You can see now that even though they have interesting looks, they are no longer as interesting as before.

Sub zero continues to evolve. From assassin to outcast to master of his former clan. He has come a long way. And his story still has plenty potential. What role will the dragon amulet play for instance? There has been a subby in every MK tho. Wouldn't hurt if he missed a game. Problem is that his story involves lots of other characters.
Scorpion on the other hand needs a drastic change. I would like him to fight for salvation and to see his family in the heavens instead of revenge. The guy needs some rest :p
I don't think Scorpion and subzero are overrated, just that some characters are underrated ( nightwolf anyone? ). If Boon puts some closure to their stories I wouldn't mind missing them for the next MK's. God knows Boon can't keep characters dead or away =p

Versatile Wrote: "I will start by saying that I'm more then shock to see I'm not the only person (and I mean only one in the whole universe) that actually thinks these 2 characters are overrated and need to sit out of another game." The people who dont want them back are an EXTREME minority. They are the 2 most popular characters in Mortal Kombat and they need to be around for the game to sell to it's max. "Yes, Scorpion and Sub-Zero are AWESOME and AMAZING! I’m not saying they are not but quite frankly, I can count on this board A LOT MORE Kitana fans then Scorpion fans." Your counting skills have GOTTA be flawed man. There are a LOT more Scorpion fans then Kitana fans. That's not even a fair comparison. You'd be better off comparing Kitana to Cage or something. "Have we all gotten used to repeat the saying:“They are the best and most popular characters in the game”" Everyone is tired of it, but the truth is the truth man. It's like a Tekken game without Jin and Hwoarang. A Soul Calibur without Kilik and Maxi. Or a Street Fighter without Ken or Ryu. Can’t we actually see there are so many other characters with as much and more potential then these ninjas? "What bothers me is when people complain about old, lame and stupid stories that need a change (Johnny Cage), but never open their eyes to see that SCORPION is on the exact same place! Stuck with the same boring story with NO improvement over the years and repetitive look and endings." True, but Scorpion is really not liked because of his storyline. I think it was one of the best stories in Mortal Kombat then it got played out, but he's still loved because he looks awesome and he has cool special moves. Besides, your arguments wouldn't work for the other character you don't want back, Sub-Zero. "What new or good has he ever brought to the story He always goes back to hell, he keeps searching for revenge he never gets, and most important of all he dies in the way, and returns how shocking." Without Scorpion and Sub-Zero MK would not be where it is right now, and you know that man.You can't say Scorpion's body being annihilated in his MKDA wasn't shocking. "I'm more SICK when people say Cage DIED like 10 times (only 1, and technically he never died!) and hate to see them back, hate resurrection and complain about Liu Kang and Sindel, when Scorpion has OFFICIALY died 2 TIMES in the game (Killed by Sub-Zero before Mk1 and Quan chi in MKDA)." Scorpion's storyline is just a million times better than Johnny Cage. I'm one of the minorities who likes Cage a lot, much more than Scorpion, but the truth is the truth. Scorp's story is far more intriguing as his character jus has a lot more staying power. "Why is it you hate to see everyone die and return except for the specter? Cause he is a specter you say? Well, that’s NO excuse. It’s boring and has no point in the story. Stop killing him if he is gonna return please!" I was just about to say because hes a specter, but I guess you covered that already. That's a specters job dude. They don't die haha. How is Scorpion's point in the story any less relevant than say..your favorite character? "I'm NOT bashing Scorpion, and I don’t want to offend ANYONE, but I think it’s FAIR to say, that they both need TO STAY OUT of another game." It's fair to the legions of Sub-Zero or Scorpion faboys, and it most importantly isn't fair to Ed Boon's wallet. "Doesn't everyone complain about characters like Sonya being in every game and say that OTHER classics need a chance?" That's because Baraka,Mileena,Kabal and Sindel are liked a lot more than Sonya and are considered by the MASS majority to be cooler characters. "Well, I think the spot of these 2 ninjas could easily be taken by characters with huge potential like Reiko and Fujin, characters who could be improved such as Stryker and Jarek." Reiko,Fujin,Stryker and Jarek can all replace Sonya,Jax,Cyrax,etc. Characters that don't have as much of a following as the biggies like Scorp,Sub,Reptile,Raiden and Shang Tsung. Those 5 to me are the most loved MK characters. You don't see Reiko,Fujin,Jarek and Stryker coming back to replace Sub-Zero and Scorpion because... A. Not to many people like those characters and B. Business wise it would not be smart to replace your two money aces for chars the consumer won't give as much of a shit about. "“MK needs Scorpion and Sub-Zero so it can sell well” ..want me to tell you a SECRET?????????? Please come near and let me whisper the sweet truth in your sweet ears : IT’S A LIE!!!!!!!! A LIE!!! A LIEEEE!!!" LOL..hahahahhahaha. You know how most of the time people you cant see you just picture how they look like. Well, I can imagine Queve(in the way I see him to look like) doing that in real life. HAHAHHAHAHA. I can also see you getting tied up and carried off to belleview mental facility. "Honestly, do you seriously believe that if Mr. Boon decided to take them out (or at least 1) of a game, NO ONE will ever buy the game??? PLEASE! I'm more then sure Mk will sell as GOOD or BETTER without them!" Still good, but DEFINITELY not better. Look how many people were pissed at Frost not coming back. God can only forsee how bad it would be with the two aces out. "So, my whole POINT is: They are both great characters. They are OVERRATED characters. They need to STAY OUT of a future game." They are both great characters. They are both the most POPULAR characters. They need to BE IN the future games. "Other characters disserve a chance don’t they? Well, let’s be fair and take these two out and please the fans with others. Like I said, their presence or absence in the game won’t affect the sales, and like I said there are others with huge potential." I doubt there are many characters around who have nearly as much potential as Sub-Zero does, and with Scorpion being reincarnated his story should be amazing as well. "Sure MANY fans will get angry! They will be pissed but there will ALSO be MANY MANY fans happy with the return of others, and the absence of this two." Yes, but not as many. "Even some Scorpion fans will agree with me on this subject." Some? Yes. Most? No. "Peace: Please keep this clean and don’t make it a war!" *eats your spleen*

You said everything that i was basically going to say, i agree. Queve, i see where your coming at, and i can tell that your dissapointed about sonya not returning. Scorpion and Subzero are the most popular MK characters of all time. Scorpion is Boons favourite, he would never get rid of him, and he can change scorpions story whenever he wants and however he wants. Scorpion seeking revenge on the person that killed his family, is ALOT better than some movie star making movies. Even though sonya's story can be considered "more developed", scorpions is still better and more liked. Fans like him because not only of his whole thirst for vengeance, but because of his trademark moves, and the fact that hes a spectre. Hes one of the best and unique MK characters of all time, and this also applies to subzero.
Dont get me wrong, and no offence at all, but it seems like you only made this thread to take out any left anger in you on scorpion and subzero being in MKD, and the fact that sonya isnt. I'm pretty sure sonya will return in MK7.
As if boon would leave out scorpion. He did in MK3 and look what happened, the majority of fans are freaking out. Scorpions whole revenge story can change and go different ways. He could get his revenge, but when hes finished, his story can easily change to something like building his own clan, or helping the earthrealm warriors fight tyranny. Sonya's fan base cant compare with scorpion, nor subzeros. Even reptile, smoke, ermac, and others have a bigger fan base.
As for subzero, well, everyone pretty much knows why hes liked. He now has a beyond unique look, and he was always unique in his own way to start off. A lin kuei ninja that weilds ice powers and is the grandmaster of his clan is enough to get a good fan base. Subzeros story plays a HUGE role in MK now. One of the most needed characters, and hes more involved now that smoke has returned and the tekunin is after him. We'll also have to see what happens with sareena and frost, not to mention what plans he'll have against the DK.
Sub and scorpion arent in MK because of making more money. There in because there the most unique and most liked MK characters.

Dark_No0B Wrote: You said everything that i was basically going to say, i agree. Queve, i see where your coming at, and i can tell that your dissapointed about sonya not returning. Scorpion and Subzero are the most popular MK characters of all time. Scorpion is Boons favourite, he would never get rid of him, and he can change scorpions story whenever he wants and however he wants. Scorpion seeking revenge on the person that killed his family, is ALOT better than some movie star making movies. Even though sonya's story can be considered "more developed", scorpions is still better and more liked. Fans like him because not only of his whole thirst for vengeance, but because of his trademark moves, and the fact that hes a spectre. Hes one of the best and unique MK characters of all time, and this also applies to subzero. Dont get me wrong, and no offence at all, but it seems like you only made this thread to take out any left anger in you on scorpion and subzero being in MKD, and the fact that sonya isnt. I'm pretty sure sonya will return in MK7. As if boon would leave out scorpion. He did in MK3 and look what happened, the majority of fans are freaking out. Scorpions whole revenge story can change and go different ways. He could get his revenge, but when hes finished, his story can easily change to something like building his own clan, or helping the earthrealm warriors fight tyranny. Sonya's fan base cant compare with scorpion, nor subzeros. Even reptile, smoke, ermac, and others have a bigger fan base. As for subzero, well, everyone pretty much knows why hes liked. He now has a beyond unique look, and he was always unique in his own way to start off. A lin kuei ninja that weilds ice powers and is the grandmaster of his clan is enough to get a good fan base. Subzeros story plays a HUGE role in MK now. One of the most needed characters, and hes more involved now that smoke has returned and the tekunin is after him. We'll also have to see what happens with sareena and frost, not to mention what plans he'll have against the DK. Sub and scorpion arent in MK because of making more money. There in because there the most unique and most liked MK characters.

No, definitely not.
I got over Sonya not being in Mk for ages. I knew about that already long long ago, so no, that’s not the reason. Sonya not being in deception has absolutely nothing to do with this, so, wrong.
As much as you like to call them unique and original, there are others like Rayden and Baraka. Same potential, and more originality.
Scorpion is not the first ninja in any video game, he is not the first specter, and is definitely not the first character to be involved with hell or fire.
Sonya not being in deception I knew long ago, and I got over it long ago. Cool sig BTW.

Versatile Wrote: "I will start by saying that I'm more then shock to see I'm not the only person (and I mean only one in the whole universe) that actually thinks these 2 characters are overrated and need to sit out of another game." The people who dont want them back are an EXTREME minority. They are the 2 most popular characters in Mortal Kombat and they need to be around for the game to sell to it's max. "Yes, Scorpion and Sub-Zero are AWESOME and AMAZING! I’m not saying they are not but quite frankly, I can count on this board A LOT MORE Kitana fans then Scorpion fans." Your counting skills have GOTTA be flawed man. There are a LOT more Scorpion fans then Kitana fans. That's not even a fair comparison. You'd be better off comparing Kitana to Cage or something. "Have we all gotten used to repeat the saying:“They are the best and most popular characters in the game”" Everyone is tired of it, but the truth is the truth man. It's like a Tekken game without Jin and Hwoarang. A Soul Calibur without Kilik and Maxi. Or a Street Fighter without Ken or Ryu. Can’t we actually see there are so many other characters with as much and more potential then these ninjas? "What bothers me is when people complain about old, lame and stupid stories that need a change (Johnny Cage), but never open their eyes to see that SCORPION is on the exact same place! Stuck with the same boring story with NO improvement over the years and repetitive look and endings." True, but Scorpion is really not liked because of his storyline. I think it was one of the best stories in Mortal Kombat then it got played out, but he's still loved because he looks awesome and he has cool special moves. Besides, your arguments wouldn't work for the other character you don't want back, Sub-Zero. "What new or good has he ever brought to the story He always goes back to hell, he keeps searching for revenge he never gets, and most important of all he dies in the way, and returns how shocking." Without Scorpion and Sub-Zero MK would not be where it is right now, and you know that man.You can't say Scorpion's body being annihilated in his MKDA wasn't shocking. "I'm more SICK when people say Cage DIED like 10 times (only 1, and technically he never died!) and hate to see them back, hate resurrection and complain about Liu Kang and Sindel, when Scorpion has OFFICIALY died 2 TIMES in the game (Killed by Sub-Zero before Mk1 and Quan chi in MKDA)." Scorpion's storyline is just a million times better than Johnny Cage. I'm one of the minorities who likes Cage a lot, much more than Scorpion, but the truth is the truth. Scorp's story is far more intriguing as his character jus has a lot more staying power. "Why is it you hate to see everyone die and return except for the specter? Cause he is a specter you say? Well, that’s NO excuse. It’s boring and has no point in the story. Stop killing him if he is gonna return please!" I was just about to say because hes a specter, but I guess you covered that already. That's a specters job dude. They don't die haha. How is Scorpion's point in the story any less relevant than say..your favorite character? "I'm NOT bashing Scorpion, and I don’t want to offend ANYONE, but I think it’s FAIR to say, that they both need TO STAY OUT of another game." It's fair to the legions of Sub-Zero or Scorpion faboys, and it most importantly isn't fair to Ed Boon's wallet. "Doesn't everyone complain about characters like Sonya being in every game and say that OTHER classics need a chance?" That's because Baraka,Mileena,Kabal and Sindel are liked a lot more than Sonya and are considered by the MASS majority to be cooler characters. "Well, I think the spot of these 2 ninjas could easily be taken by characters with huge potential like Reiko and Fujin, characters who could be improved such as Stryker and Jarek." Reiko,Fujin,Stryker and Jarek can all replace Sonya,Jax,Cyrax,etc. Characters that don't have as much of a following as the biggies like Scorp,Sub,Reptile,Raiden and Shang Tsung. Those 5 to me are the most loved MK characters. You don't see Reiko,Fujin,Jarek and Stryker coming back to replace Sub-Zero and Scorpion because... A. Not to many people like those characters and B. Business wise it would not be smart to replace your two money aces for chars the consumer won't give as much of a shit about. "“MK needs Scorpion and Sub-Zero so it can sell well” ..want me to tell you a SECRET?????????? Please come near and let me whisper the sweet truth in your sweet ears : IT’S A LIE!!!!!!!! A LIE!!! A LIEEEE!!!" LOL..hahahahhahaha. You know how most of the time people you cant see you just picture how they look like. Well, I can imagine Queve(in the way I see him to look like) doing that in real life. HAHAHHAHAHA. I can also see you getting tied up and carried off to belleview mental facility. "Honestly, do you seriously believe that if Mr. Boon decided to take them out (or at least 1) of a game, NO ONE will ever buy the game??? PLEASE! I'm more then sure Mk will sell as GOOD or BETTER without them!" Still good, but DEFINITELY not better. Look how many people were pissed at Frost not coming back. God can only forsee how bad it would be with the two aces out. "So, my whole POINT is: They are both great characters. They are OVERRATED characters. They need to STAY OUT of a future game." They are both great characters. They are both the most POPULAR characters. They need to BE IN the future games. "Other characters disserve a chance don’t they? Well, let’s be fair and take these two out and please the fans with others. Like I said, their presence or absence in the game won’t affect the sales, and like I said there are others with huge potential." I doubt there are many characters around who have nearly as much potential as Sub-Zero does, and with Scorpion being reincarnated his story should be amazing as well. "Sure MANY fans will get angry! They will be pissed but there will ALSO be MANY MANY fans happy with the return of others, and the absence of this two." Yes, but not as many. "Even some Scorpion fans will agree with me on this subject." Some? Yes. Most? No. "Peace: Please keep this clean and don’t make it a war!" *eats your spleen*

Versatile, you have made many good points I agree.
But you are stuck with the same thought of:
Scorpion + Sub-Zero: MONEY and SELLS.
That’s not true. I know you are a major Sub-Zero fan, and I'm sorry if this offended you. You can say back then Scorpion and Sub were the ultimate characters, the most popular, and well, they are the most known in the world of Mk, but you must admit their fan base has lowered, and its clear why, and so its clear characters like Baraka have gotten a more positive response then this 2.
You said:
Without Scorpion and Sub-Zero MK would not be where it is right now, and you know that man.You can't say Scorpion's body being annihilated in his MKDA wasn't shocking.
Well, actually, with out any other original such as Rayden, Kitana, Baraka, Mileena AND Sonya it would not be were it is now. And to tell you the truth, there was absolutely nothing shocking about his ending.
What shocking? He just died again.
And sorry, you understodd wrong (my fault) they cant be replaced, no ORIGINAL character can, but they CAN easily be TAKEN OUT and "replaced" for Fujin or other.
Its fair.
AND, I woudl not get too confident with:
"They are Boons favorite, he will never take them out"....dude, you never know, never. To say its a fact is wrong, since you are not him or the company, no one can say or confirm this. (I did not mean to say you stated it as a FACT).
Mk can LIVE NICELY WITH OUT THEM.
ALSO; you said they are liked cause of their looks and concepts design. Well thats an ancient tale dude. You can tell its no longer like this. No matter how good a character may look the STORY is important, and you can tell that now.
You can either accept their popularity is no longer as big as before, or close your mind with the same thought, that Mk revolves around these characters.

Then why are you constantly having some sort of grudge against scorpion and subzero? It just seems like you cant get over the fact that they are returning and sonya isnt. This is like the 4th time i've seen you talk about scorpion, suprised that hes in MKD, and not understanding why he has a large fan base, or why his story is more liked when you think its nothing compared to others. Scorpions story is more evolving, and everyone loves the mere fact of how he seeks vengence against quan chi, taking long or not.
And its not as much as I like to call them unique and original. Almost everybody (mostly scorpion and subzero fans) know that there the most original and unique. Raiden and baraka do have potential and orginality, and one can say there still not as original as scorpion and subzero are. Last i checked, scorpion and subzero are almost in every single MK game. Fans like these guys more than they do of baraka, sonya, and raiden. BTW, baraka is my all time favourite MK character, and i still know that hes not more original than scorpion or sub.
Scorpion is not the first ninja in a video game, but that has nothing to do with this whole "overrated" discussion. There can be 2 scorpions in 2 different video games. 1 of them can be MUCH better and liked because of his story, moves, fatalities, and such.

Dark_No0B Wrote: Then why are you constantly having some sort of grudge against scorpion and subzero? It just seems like you cant get over the fact that they are returning and sonya isnt. This is like the 4th time i've seen you talk about scorpion, suprised that hes in MKD, and not understanding why he has a large fan base, or why his story is more liked when you think its nothing compared to others. Scorpions story is more evolving, and everyone loves the mere fact of how he seeks vengence against quan chi, taking long or not. And its not as much as I like to call them unique and original. Almost everybody (mostly scorpion and subzero fans) know that there the most original and unique. Raiden and baraka do have potential and orginality, and one can say there still not as original as scorpion and subzero are. Last i checked, scorpion and subzero are almost in every single MK game. Fans like these guys more than they do of baraka, sonya, and raiden. BTW, baraka is my all time favourite MK character, and i still know that hes not more original than scorpion or sub. Scorpion is not the first ninja in a video game, but that has nothing to do with this whole "overrated" discussion. There can be 2 scorpions in 2 different video games. 1 of them can be MUCH better and liked because of his story, moves, fatalities, and such.

I already told you. You are WRONG. Listen to my words. Thats NOT why. Read my post. And NO, I'm sure I never said Im surprised about they being cause its obvious the reason they are in, and NO I never said I was surprised she was out and they were in.

queve Wrote: Dark_No0B Wrote: Then why are you constantly having some sort of grudge against scorpion and subzero? It just seems like you cant get over the fact that they are returning and sonya isnt. This is like the 4th time i've seen you talk about scorpion, suprised that hes in MKD, and not understanding why he has a large fan base, or why his story is more liked when you think its nothing compared to others. Scorpions story is more evolving, and everyone loves the mere fact of how he seeks vengence against quan chi, taking long or not. And its not as much as I like to call them unique and original. Almost everybody (mostly scorpion and subzero fans) know that there the most original and unique. Raiden and baraka do have potential and orginality, and one can say there still not as original as scorpion and subzero are. Last i checked, scorpion and subzero are almost in every single MK game. Fans like these guys more than they do of baraka, sonya, and raiden. BTW, baraka is my all time favourite MK character, and i still know that hes not more original than scorpion or sub. Scorpion is not the first ninja in a video game, but that has nothing to do with this whole "overrated" discussion. There can be 2 scorpions in 2 different video games. 1 of them can be MUCH better and liked because of his story, moves, fatalities, and such. I already told you. You are WRONG. Listen to my words. Thats NOT why. Read my post. And NO, I'm sure I never said Im surprised about they being cause its obvious the reason they are in, and NO I never said I was surprised she was out and they were in.

Then WHY did you make this thread, what was the point of it? And yes, i DO remember YOU making similar comments like this in different threads, if it makes you happy, i can try and find them for you. I did read your posts carefully to, i'm merely comparing scorpion and subzeros originality, and how much of a fan base they have. Thats why i'm telling you why there in.

NO they are definitly not over rated characters. To the general fans, who arent hardcore Kombat fans like the people on this board, Scorpion and Sub-Zero are a MUST in a MK game, i dont care what anyone says. To us hardcore fans, them sitting out maybe a game or two might not be as big a deal, but ill tell you what, either way theres gonna be an uproar of fans bitching about their favorite ninjas not being in a MK game and also from fans who want them to move over for some character to get a chance in the roster slot. They are NEEDED now for the over all storyline, Sub-Zero much more so than Scorpion. Regardless to some popular belief, these characters stories do evolve, maybe one more so than the other but they both do change, slightly perhaps but surely. But like it or not, Scorpion and SubZero are two of the most popular characters in MK, and i dont see them retiring on the sidelines anytime soon.

Dark_No0B Wrote: Then why are you constantly having some sort of grudge against scorpion and subzero? It just seems like you cant get over the fact that they are returning and sonya isnt. This is like the 4th time i've seen you talk about scorpion, suprised that hes in MKD, and not understanding why he has a large fan base, or why his story is more liked when you think its nothing compared to others. Scorpions story is more evolving, and everyone loves the mere fact of how he seeks vengence against quan chi, taking long or not.

I'll have to agree with this.
I think both Scorpion and Sub-Zero should be in every mk game from now on.
Also, Wyndrain stop pretending you're a Scorpion fan. Sonya is your favorite and it's fucking obvious. I wouln't be surprised if you and Queve are connected somehow. ;P

I have to say that Sub Zero and Scorpian are 2 of my least favourite characters in MK. They are very overrated, repetitive and seem to be the only characters who have remained visually the same (excluding Sub Zero's new look).
I don't think i even played as them in MK:DA as I am so bored of them. Characters like Kitana and Mileena have the potential to be as 'iconic' as these 2, but never get the chance...is it because they are female?! (not wanting to start a whole new debate...)
The point is they are very boring now and are overrated.
Thank you!

Maybe they are a bit overrated, but i think that the majority of people that do rate these 2 characters highly are those that have been around playing the game since MK1 & MK2.
Those people that only joined the game since MK3 or more recent may not rate these 2 characters as high as us long time MK gamers.
Also, i'd just like to add that Scorpion wasn't scorpion before MK1, so technically he has not died twice. He was a human that we do not know much about, nor have we even seen him in this form. So i don't really think you can go on about him before MK1. If you do then you may as well go on about how Raiden has always been around and all the other characters that were there, have died (sindel) and come back...etc.
Subzero's story has changed as well. It's not the same storyline as in the previous games. Scorpion's story has changed a bit from the original purpose too. I do however agree that his story should change more significantly.

Yes they should sit out for some time.They have been highly overrated for some time now.But for
some reason people dig the whole ninja thing.I dont like it that well.I like normal joes sorta speak.Either male or female who have stories more
down to Earth.Hince earth warriors.
I am a die hard Johnny Cage fan an he has sat out a couple an I know he has never been over rated.
Sony has never been over rated nor Jaxs.To me these are the Earths primary heroes I think.
The whole concept of the story should evolve around them more an have Scorp an Sub sit out for a while.I wouldnt never miss them.Good thread topic thanks.Long Live Johnny Cage.

Hmm... well Sub-Zero and Scorpion are very popular characters. In fact, they are my 2 favorites. However, I can see where you are coming from with Scorpion's storyline being repetitive and boring and I think (and hope) that they'll make Scorpion's storyline a lot more interesting. As for Sub-Zero, he has evolved with each MK game not only in look but in storyline. If you think about it, the storylines of the Sub-Zeros helped introduce characters such as Shinnok, Sareena, and Quan Chi.
There are other characters in this MK series that do have potential but Stryker and Jarek are not the type of characters that have potential. However, characters such as Sonya, Frost, Nitara, Kung Lao, Kenshi, and Blaze have lots of potential.

I don't think Scorpion or Sub-Zero are overrated. I don't like to say it's because they have the most fans because how the hell do I know for sure. When I came here, I wa sshocked to discover so many people liked Sonya because I've yet to meet a Sonya fan in person. However, I say Scorpion and Sub-Zeor are MK's franchise players becuase you can ask someone who isn't a major MK fan to name any charcater and I bet 9 times out of 10 they'll either say Scorpion or Sub-Zero. When MK came out, they were the ones everyone flocked too and they were the ones everyone talked about. Put it to you this way: Back when it came out, I heard about Scorpion before I heard about Mortal Kombat.
At this point it isn't that Scorpion's story is "boring" it's that it was brought back for needlessly. Scorpion's revenge angle was settled at the end of MK2. When he came back in MK3 he wasn't out for revenge. He was on no one's side until he decided to protect Sub-Zero.
Unfortunatly, in MK4 they decided to resurrect Scorpion's revenge story against Sub-Zero at the expense of credability and logic. At the end of MK4 his focus shifts from Sub-Zero to Quan Chi however, lightning does not strike in the same place twice. Scorpion is my favorite charcater and I'd be pissed if he was taken out or drastically changed, however, even I'll admit he needs to do something other than revenge. You'd think since he's a nuetral character with no loyalties and he's no longer bound to the Netherealm, they could do something interesting with him. Let's hope that MK: Deception accomplishes that.
One problem I have is the complaint that Scorpion never changes and that his spear move is played out and he should drop it. Meanwhile I see the same people who say this complain about Sonya losing her leg grab and she NEEDS it back. As a Scorpion fan, I like his spear move because it's his trademark and if you don't like Scorpion's moves, don't play as him. Problem solved.
Another problem I have is Scorpion haters saying "he always fails in his mission."
Let's recap:
MK1: Kill Sub-Zero and avenge own death. Successful
MK2: Thinks Sub-Zero's back; kill him again. Found out it's a different Sub-Zero and chose not to kill him.
MK3: No mission. Escaped Hell/Netherealm and just hanging out.
MK4: Kill Sub-Zero II and avenge death of family and clan. Almost succeeds until Quan Chi says he killed Scoprion's family, then drags him to Netherealm. Successful.
In MK:DA Quan Chi escaped Scorpion and he followed. What exactly happened afterwards we don't know yet.
Personally, I think that's not a bad track record.
IMO, Scorpion's always been a solid character to play as. He's always been my first choice and is still my best fighter and has yet to disappoint me. If you don't like playing as Scorpion, I repeat: Don't play as him.
Sub-Zero's always been a solid character. Good playability and his story has evolved well throughout the series. Honestly, I personally don't see anyhting wrong with Sub-Zero.
In regards to Scorpion and Sub-Zero NEEDING to be in every Mortal Kombat: at one time, when I was younger, I would have agrred with this. When MK3 came out and there was no Scorpion, I was furious.
Now, although I would be disappointed if Scorpion were to be left out, I would not angry and boycott the game. Looking back, my main problem with there being no Scorpion in MK3 is that I had no one to fall back on as my "go-to guy." Also, at the time I for some reason had this belief that this meant Scorpion was never coming back. I've since relaxed on the issue, escpecially since my list of favorite characters has grown beyond Scorpion.
I don't think Mortal Kombat NEEDS any one character. It doesn't NEED Scorpion. It doens't NEED Sonya Blade. It doesn't NEED Johnny Cage, or Sub-Zero or anyone. The MK cast has grown enough that ther eare plenty of "classic" characters to choose from.
I don't beleive that the original seven charcaters are sacred cows who need to be forced into every MK from here on in. I like Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Rayden but I don't like the other four.
The problem with leaving out favorite characters is this beleif that is someone doesn't appear in a game it automatically means they're dead. Baraka wasn't in MK3 or UMK3 and everyone thought it was because he died. He wasn't in MK4 and everyone thought he died. He wasn't in MK:DA and everyone thought he died. Baraka has YET to be confrimed dead in ANY game and he's back in MK:D good as new.
So people just need to relax about this sort of thing and hope that the MK creators don't start killing off characters at random. Sonya's not in MK:D, I'm sure she'll be back. Kitana is not in MK:D but we know she's still alive. If your favorite character is left out, it sucks, I know, but then just try a different character. You just might like him or her.

another great thread by QUEVE. haha. well i do think they are overated but then again if sub and scorpion wouldnt be in MK it would feel weird. Its like not having ryu and ken in a street fighter game. I dont know. Cant really explain how i feel about it because i dont really like those characters but if they werent in it the game wouldnt be the same.

Well, let's start on a positive note. I agree completely about Scorpion, or at least I use to. You see, he's been running on the same bread and butter for about five games. No one has ever milked a plotline like Scorpion. Also, you can argue for days how much stronger he is than Sub, but after six installments, he STILL hasn't fufilled his revenge. Can't say that's going to look good on his application for future MKs.
But to be fair, it does look like his story is going to take a few fresh steps, and they finally enhanced his looks so he isn't the boring yellow ninja anymore.
Now for Sub, I can't entirely agree. I kind of like the idea that Boon has ensured that one character will be in every MK, and I wouldn't want to break that record now. Also, I can't really say he's overrated. I mean, he plays well, he has excellent character designs, but most importantly, his story has developed more than ever other character. From MK2, he was the honorable assassin who even lived an immoral life, was able to manage a decent standard of being. Then, after an unforgivable treachery, he managed to survive under the mark of death, and now he remains the leader of one of the strongest, positive organizations of the earth realm. I think Subzero has earned his place in MK.

Baraka was confirmed dead at the end of MK 2.
He was killed by Kung Lao.Split in half to be exact.That was his story, that Shinnok took over
his dead soul an grants him life again to help
fight at his side.That is correct.Its in writing.But he did sit out for a couple.
Long Live Johnny Cage.

luckylooser34 Wrote: Baraka was confirmed dead at the end of MK 2. He was killed by Kung Lao.Split in half to be exact.That was his story, that Shinnok took over his dead soul an grants him life again to help fight at his side.That is correct.Its in writing. Long Live Johnny Cage.

Where? Where did it say this? Show me. In MKT Baraka's bio states he was sent to "Quell an uprising." And in MKG Baraka's bio states "he's been wandering through the realms."
So where does it say Baraka died?

if scorpion interacted with more chactors than just sub-zero and quan chi his story would be killer any wayi dont think there is going to be an mk game with out them because scorpion is ed boons creation and favorite kombatant he even kreated the voice and did it for the games and movies and subby would be cooler (no pun) if he wasn't such a cheap ass defensive charactor in total i thnk two of his moves actually did damage instead of just freezing the guy for a free shotwich totally sucks so far scorp has nothin to do with the story of mkD because he doesn't hate subby any more and quan chi is dead cause dk killed him and took the amulet so scorpions story is getting a major revamp and sub zero looks alot tuffer now sow his offense is going to be alot better

Well if read the book that came with MK gold thats what they wrote for his story.They said "In the final battle against Earths warriors,Baraka
was split in half by Kung Laos razor-edged hat.
Then Shinnok rises up form the darkness of the Netherealm an seeks out the former outworld warrior to assist him in his battle against Raidens forces.So Shinnok takes over his dead soul
an Shinnok grants him life once again this time to
fight by his side.This is how they brung him back for MK Gold.Thats what was wrote.Thats why in MK Gold he had staples holding his body together.Kung Lao killed him.

XiahouDun84 Wrote: luckylooser34 Wrote: Baraka was confirmed dead at the end of MK 2. He was killed by Kung Lao.Split in half to be exact.That was his story, that Shinnok took over his dead soul an grants him life again to help fight at his side.That is correct.Its in writing. Long Live Johnny Cage. Where? Where did it say this? Show me. In MKT Baraka's bio states he was sent to "Quell an uprising." And in MKG Baraka's bio states "he's been wandering through the realms." So where does it say Baraka died?

If they sit out of a game, that's fine, but they are just too awesome to be left out.
I'd be playing the game, and be thinking, Damn! I wish Scorpion and sub-Zero were in it.
That's how I was with MK3.
I didn't have a fit or anything, but the though was always in the back of my mind when I played the game.
It'll still sell like crazy though.

So many long posts! lol
Ok I'l ltry to be brief.
1. First off Sub Zeros story is actually one of the more refreshing ones because different stuff actually happens! The transitions from 1-3 were huge and have stayed interesting. Furthermore, with Liu's death he is now the "hero"
2. I'll admit that Scorpys story is a lil derivitive with the whole revenge aspect but he still has a ton of room to be fleshed out. After all he is the biggest "wild card" in the MK universe.
3. I think that Boon and CO should make another MK Mythologies, only this time make it under the guise of an RPG, that way you can have multiple character's storylines going at once instead of just one.
4. Finally take in mind that MK has an irreguarly deep story line and the fact that people are complaining about them is testament to that. Look at Street Fighter, does anyone really know what the hell is going on in those story lines, or at least care?- No because its about the gameplay. Now if MK had better gameplay to go along with the great stories and characters (not to mention fatalities) it would be the best game in town, bar none.

luckylooser34 Wrote: Well if read the book that came with MK gold thats what they wrote for his story.They said "In the final battle against Earths warriors,Baraka was split in half by Kung Laos razor-edged hat. Then Shinnok rises up form the darkness of the Netherealm an seeks out the former outworld warrior to assist him in his battle against Raidens forces.So Shinnok takes over his dead soul an Shinnok grants him life once again this time to fight by his side.This is how they brung him back for MK Gold.Thats what was wrote.Thats why in MK Gold he had staples holding his body together.Kung Lao killed him. font>

Few problems with this:
I have never once heard of any books coming with MK Gold. I've looked at dozens of MK story timelines and FAQs and I've never once heard of Kung Lao slicing Baraka in half anywhere.
And even if there is a book, that doesn't mean it's canon. There are lots of Mortal Kombat books. Less than half of them are canon.
And finally, this theory contradicts what the game clearly says. I believe the games before I believe any books.

I think Subz and Scorp should be in every MK game (maybe leave 1 of the 2 out for a game) because you need them. To those of you who don't want them in MKD, who do you want instead? Stryker, Jarek? Or how about an almost entirely new cast, remember how well that went down in MK4.....
So if you don't like Scorpion or Sub Zero just don't use them, and I'm sorry but the two have far more fans wanting them in every game than those who want them left out entirely.