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02/03/2007 03:03 AM (UTC)
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I don't think that cage should be the new leader, I'd give that role to Ermac personally.


Why Ermac?

Because Ermac is his favorite character.
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02/03/2007 04:17 AM (UTC)
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I like this one. Cage's bio was the one I was most anxious to see up to this point, and the only disappointment to me was that nothing new was really revealed.

IMO, I don't think Cage is being messed with at all. Let's face facts; the MK storyline has a habit of pulling bizarre plot twists out of thin air (Scorpion's clan now being undead a prime example), and this sudden development of psychic powers would be no exception. I'm not going to get my hopes up for any deep explanations...although if Cage's mind is actually being affected somehow, this could explain his recently developed leadership abilities. It would be silly if it's just a sudden development, but I can deal with it if it's not (better than having no bios at all, I'd think. Remember that? :P).

Which, by the way, I think have just as much of a chance of being something that resided within him all along. Sure Johnny's always been arrogant to a degree - he is a hollywood movie star after all - but he's always set his own vanity aside when the chips are down to help out his allies. And the chips have never been lower than now.

Hats off to the writers. I'm having fun playing as Johnny Cage again. :D
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02/03/2007 04:55 AM (UTC)
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prodigy004 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
I don't think that cage should be the new leader, I'd give that role to Ermac personally.

I mean I know Cage's storyline is obviously becoming more serious for a change but leader?I think that's a bit much personally in this stage.

Now for the people here that think it's a "set up" that'sfine to think that possibility, however I just realized something that brings questions like this.

If shinnok IS the one messing around with Cage's head, then why did it take him sooo long to manipulate one of earth's warriors just now when he could have done this a long time ago.Just think about it....

And I know this is a long shot, but since this theory has been thrown around of late.I wouldn't be surprised if Raiden is some how behind this, remember people...Raiden was using Kang's undead boby as his puppet to kill evil doers, what's to say Raiden isn't sending Cage visions to do his dirty work?

I think it's a good theory honestly or at least one that can't be eliminated and we all know Raiden is playing Shinnok or attempting to anyway.




Why Ermac?


Why Cage?If you don't mind me asking I mean.

As far as Ermac is concerned, well here's the reasons why I feel he would make a good leader.

He taught Kenshi a lot.

He's got a lot of power(more then any other earth warrior(except for sub IF his ending is canon) If not I say Ermac and Sub are the two most powerful.More then Cage, Sonya, Kung Lao, Kitana etc.Liu kang isn't the same anymore.

I would definitely put up Ermac, Sub or Cage as top three picks for a new Leader.Some might consider Kitana or Kung Lao but I like the first 3 more personally.Kung Lao is also Fujin's main man now so perhaps he'll become the new leader of light.Who knows?But I would love to see Ermac as a leader personally.


I feel Ermac's role was very, very important in MK:D leading up to MK:A.If it weren't for him then earth's warriors would have been lost prior to MK:A.

Plus, he helped Liu Kang also I just feel that Ermac plays a large role in MK now especially since he's a good guy now with.Ermac proved himself with helping out a lot as well as redemption.

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02/03/2007 05:30 AM (UTC)
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I don't really recall the MK fans giving Kung Lao the "unexisting" title of "next MK hero" after MK3. When MKDA came out, sure, I guess some would say that.

He has a different feel from Liu Kang. Just because he's a Shaolin warrior monk like Liu doesn't make him redundant, especially with him abandoning his Shaolin beliefs. Making him more like his MKSM self only further ruins his character.

Johnny Cage becoming leader all of a sudden is just silly, and why would the others accept him becoming leader anyway? Even if he did supposedly learn about Shinnok's plot, what does he have that makes him a leader?

I don't see how the idea of Sub-Zero or even Kenshi becoming the new leader would be predictable, and I certainly don't see how they are better suited for the role. Sub-Zero may be one of the characters that are part of the main Earthrealm heroes, but he has his own story arc. I don't see how Kenshi has a "mean" attitude. He simply doesn't want to really get himself involved in the so-called affairs of "good" and "evil".

It's more than just JC not doing much to stand out from the others. His problem also lies in his great lack of character development. Sure, people knew that there was more to him that just some egotistical action star. However, that was never really delved into and properly developed, thus JC's redundant and stagnant character.

I understand where you're coming from with the stuff around the end of MKD. It would've been better if some of the heroes stayed under Onaga's control like Sonya and Jax. Also, I agree with you on the reflection thing. I too feel it's needed for them to reflect on their experiences as Onaga's slave.

I doubt Cage's visions came from his death.

I agree that the death/resurrection crap is way too overused. That's why in MK, death needs to have meaning and consequence, or it'll be a lot like DBZ.


Nah, I remember quite well all the fuss about Kung Lao being Liu Kangs successor in the “hero” department since Mk3. The majority had him as their best next pic. Classic days.

I do agree though that the MKSM version of him ruined him, Im guessing it was all more thanks to the horrible dialogues and kind of poor story, because the idea of him being jealous of Liu Kang and a bit more (damn, forgot the word in english), lets say “wild” (as in “no goody goody following the rules type of hero”), is kind of interesting. He came off a as a bit immature.

Still, I honestly don’t like it. Something or someone different would be better, not another shaolin monk.

I don’t think Johnny Cage is the main leader/hero of the storyline, like Liu Kang was, but he is this new Mks main leader/hero of this story. What makes it different I guess, is that Liu Kang won before, he always won, and defeated the dangerous threat, but I doubt Johnny Cage will do that.

His role doesn’t center about him being the chosen one to defeat the next big bad guy, its more about reuniting all the forces of light and spread the news about this new discovered threat, so all can fight and do something about it. He is guiding them all, that’s what really makes him stand out, I really like this.

I doubt it will go farther then that like some are assuming. He wont be the next gen hero to defeat the biggest evil of all, it doesnt sound like it at all, but he will be the leader in charge of getting everyone to battle. Thats why I love it so much, loads of importance to revive his character and give him depth, but not exaggerated as to make it look silly, imo. It works just fine.

Oh, and I didn’t mean that Kenshi was predictable, just Subby. And its not a bad thing about Sub-Zero though, if he happened to be the next “main” hero, it wouldn’t really be a shocker, his story has pointed to him being important enough to take that role easily any day, and it suits him, I too rather see him stay with his agenda, but its still likely and not entirely impossible.

Kenshi on the other hand is sort of unpredictable, and imo, would rock as a next main hero. Some people actually thought about this when he was first known during MKDA. And though its clear what his purpose is, he still came off as rather “mean” and indifferent in his bio, kind of arrogant too.
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02/03/2007 08:18 AM (UTC)
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I liked it okay...

As others have said, not great, but not glaringly stupid either...

One thing about it that rubbed me the wrong way... (And rubs me the wrong way every time I hear it frankly) was the phrase, "The Fallen Elder God Shinnok"

SOOOOOOO sick of reading those words...

Or "The Fallen Elder God known as Shinnok"

Do they really need to say that EVERY FRIGGIN TIME any piece of MK-Related text mentions Shinnok. ...most over-used piece of descriptive text in MK history... There have to be better adjectives to describe Shinnok. He's a fallen elder god. We get it. We've gotten it since MK4. Let's move on.

"Former God Shinnok"
"Shinnok, Ruler of the Netherealm"
"Maniacal Ex-Deity Shinnok"
"The Magnificently Lame Shinnok"

Anything... pick some new words... buy a thesaurus Midway...

Other than that, splendid. grin
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02/03/2007 10:09 AM (UTC)
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LMFAO! That was so unbelievably crappy.
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02/03/2007 11:03 AM (UTC)
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Why does everyone assume that power comes with the position of leader-ship? If Cage is charismatic (as he has to be as an actor, AND martial ar-tist), then he has a lot more legitimity for leadership than Ermac.

Especially if Cage posesses more experience with every of his comrades, not to mention the fact that Ermac is absolutely a newb to the main good guys.
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02/03/2007 05:14 PM (UTC)
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Ok...that bio was strange...almost as if Shinnok was setting something up and using Johnny as a pawn. Use the fact that Johnny always had to be the center of attention and could be slightly jealous of Liu Kang being the champion, send him a few visions and give him a bigger sense of purpose. The clown *cough* hero brings all his buddies together and all walk merrily into a trap. Or I'm just reading too much into his bio and over estimating Shinnok's power and intelligence.
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02/03/2007 06:21 PM (UTC)
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The bio seemed kind of like cheesy, mostly because they named out the moves they did haha
just say like kick
or something
but johnny shouldnt be the new leader for sure.
i know he was usually always on the side and kind of seen as a liu kang side kick
but maybe that was just portrayed as something awkward and he wanted in the spot light he is stepping out but can he act mature about it is the question.
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02/03/2007 09:15 PM (UTC)
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raiden has become a wild card in recent time, so he could be planning to get in close with his 'daddy' shinnok and his allies only to betray them to his old friends. and sending cage vissions of shinnoks return may be one step he's taking to insure the destruction of everyone who tried to screw earthrealm. it's a long shot but if i'm right then this could be the most complicated plan he ever had. it would also show he trusts cage enough not to screw up. putting him in a better place to take over. then again, they could have made kung lao, scorpion or shujinko the next gen liu but they muck up every time
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02/03/2007 10:41 PM (UTC)
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So... Mokap is the new Johnny Cage?! lol

Johnny Cage is now taking the mantle as the lead hero of the story. But i always thought that Kung Lao was going to be the lead after him.
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02/03/2007 10:54 PM (UTC)
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Let me put my two cents into this:

Not a great bio.entertaining and a little insightful, but like a few have commented, a bit like a fan-fic.

At no time during reading that bio, did I get the impression that Johnny was being arrogant and thinking only of himself. He'd stated in times past, that Raiden and Liu were the point men, while he and the others were merely supporting players. This is a simple fact. One that I believe Johnny accepted. Learning of Liu Kang's death, and Raiden's descent into darkness, might make Johnny step back and examine the bigger picture. Maybe he's realizing that the stakes are even greater than he'd ever imagined, and knows he has to be a bit more serious to take on this new threat.

The visions...That can go a few ways. It is likely that Shinnok is using Johnny, playing on that part of him that strives to be in the limelight, to gather the heroes of the realms together for this final battle. Perhaps when Raiden destroyed himself along with Shang Tsung and Quan Chi, some of his essence remained in outworld, and attached itself to Cage, when he was resurrected, imbuing Johnny with new abilities. Maybe Johnny is just developing a new skill. I prefer to think it's Shinnok messing with him because...

That fight was a bit too short. For all of you saying that Shinnok is weak, and Johnny has more than enough to take him out, remember that Shinnok was able to bring Daegon, a demi-god to his knees with a bolt of energy. The fight was staged, to let Johnny know that the threat of Shinnok was real-- the Mad god had returned.

I know I'm forgetting to add something. If I remember, I'll address it later.

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02/03/2007 11:37 PM (UTC)
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I thought for sure the whole Johnny Cage-Shinnok thing was really Shang Tsung in disguise.
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02/04/2007 12:58 AM (UTC)
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Just some words about this Bio : Ohhhh Yeahhhh !!! :D !
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02/04/2007 11:14 PM (UTC)
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Personally I don't like Cage lol, it gets me mad when im playing against him and he does all this damage, he is weak. I think Fujin should take Raidens place and Kung Loa can take Liu Kangs place, when the hell is Sub zero gonna get a better part in this game, everytime u feel like u getting closer, his storyline takes u further.
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02/07/2007 05:35 PM (UTC)
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That bio depicts the way I have envisioned Johnny Cage for years. It was beautiful. The way Johnny Cage was talking about Liu Kang and Raiden was exactly the way I pictured he would see those characters in the classic games. The bio shows that Cage knows what he is talking about and its about time it shows that other part of Johnny Cage that I have been trying to explain to people on this site for years. Queve would agree with me on that one. The only drawback from the bio was the description of his showdown with Shinnok. I felt that it was not nessesary but it still shown some purpose, and we probably misread the bio because Vogel is probably adding more character insight on Cage by having him describe his own fights.

It is funny how some of you jump to conclusions and automatically assume Cage is taking the mantle of the leader of the good guys, that is not the case in my opinion. It only stated that Cage had gathered the Earth warriors together because he discovered a major threat in the form of Shinnok and Quan Chi and finds it imperative to take defense. I like the plot so far because it shows that Johnny Cage's own allies still doubt his abilities, I always seen Liu Kang as one of the few that put all faith and trust in Johnny Cage. It makes you think "this sucks" that Liu Kang is not in his former form as the Champion of Mortal Kombat so the Earthrealm is still not 100% ready to take on a defense.

It really makes you see the stubbroness and flaws in the gods especially Raiden. You cannot Blame Fujin for reacting this way to Johnny Cage because his focus is on Raiden and Liu Kang's corpse. What I would like to know is, what the hell does Liu kang think about all of this?
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02/07/2007 05:44 PM (UTC)
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queve Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:


I don't really recall the MK fans giving Kung Lao the "unexisting" title of "next MK hero" after MK3. When MKDA came out, sure, I guess some would say that.

He has a different feel from Liu Kang. Just because he's a Shaolin warrior monk like Liu doesn't make him redundant, especially with him abandoning his Shaolin beliefs. Making him more like his MKSM self only further ruins his character.

Johnny Cage becoming leader all of a sudden is just silly, and why would the others accept him becoming leader anyway? Even if he did supposedly learn about Shinnok's plot, what does he have that makes him a leader?

I don't see how the idea of Sub-Zero or even Kenshi becoming the new leader would be predictable, and I certainly don't see how they are better suited for the role. Sub-Zero may be one of the characters that are part of the main Earthrealm heroes, but he has his own story arc. I don't see how Kenshi has a "mean" attitude. He simply doesn't want to really get himself involved in the so-called affairs of "good" and "evil".

It's more than just JC not doing much to stand out from the others. His problem also lies in his great lack of character development. Sure, people knew that there was more to him that just some egotistical action star. However, that was never really delved into and properly developed, thus JC's redundant and stagnant character.

I understand where you're coming from with the stuff around the end of MKD. It would've been better if some of the heroes stayed under Onaga's control like Sonya and Jax. Also, I agree with you on the reflection thing. I too feel it's needed for them to reflect on their experiences as Onaga's slave.

I doubt Cage's visions came from his death.

I agree that the death/resurrection crap is way too overused. That's why in MK, death needs to have meaning and consequence, or it'll be a lot like DBZ.


Nah, I remember quite well all the fuss about Kung Lao being Liu Kangs successor in the “hero” department since Mk3. The majority had him as their best next pic. Classic days.

I do agree though that the MKSM version of him ruined him, Im guessing it was all more thanks to the horrible dialogues and kind of poor story, because the idea of him being jealous of Liu Kang and a bit more (damn, forgot the word in english), lets say “wild” (as in “no goody goody following the rules type of hero”), is kind of interesting. He came off a as a bit immature.

Still, I honestly don’t like it. Something or someone different would be better, not another shaolin monk.

I don’t think Johnny Cage is the main leader/hero of the storyline, like Liu Kang was, but he is this new Mks main leader/hero of this story. What makes it different I guess, is that Liu Kang won before, he always won, and defeated the dangerous threat, but I doubt Johnny Cage will do that.

His role doesn’t center about him being the chosen one to defeat the next big bad guy, its more about reuniting all the forces of light and spread the news about this new discovered threat, so all can fight and do something about it. He is guiding them all, that’s what really makes him stand out, I really like this.

I doubt it will go farther then that like some are assuming. He wont be the next gen hero to defeat the biggest evil of all, it doesnt sound like it at all, but he will be the leader in charge of getting everyone to battle. Thats why I love it so much, loads of importance to revive his character and give him depth, but not exaggerated as to make it look silly, imo. It works just fine.

Oh, and I didn’t mean that Kenshi was predictable, just Subby. And its not a bad thing about Sub-Zero though, if he happened to be the next “main” hero, it wouldn’t really be a shocker, his story has pointed to him being important enough to take that role easily any day, and it suits him, I too rather see him stay with his agenda, but its still likely and not entirely impossible.

Kenshi on the other hand is sort of unpredictable, and imo, would rock as a next main hero. Some people actually thought about this when he was first known during MKDA. And though its clear what his purpose is, he still came off as rather “mean” and indifferent in his bio, kind of arrogant too.


I agree with you on your insight on Kenshi. He would rock as the leader because it would add more dimension to all of the main characters, I like the idea of how the Earthrealm warriors would argue over the fact over who would be in charge to lead them just like we on this site are doing right now. Personally if I was a warrior in Mortal Kombat I would not follow Kenshi faithfully because of his backround. Remember in Deadly Alliance in his Konquest story, he would go around Japan just killing swordsmen because he wanted a good challenge? I doubt characters like Kung Lao, Johnny Cage, or Liu Kang would get along with him. Also Kenshi is probably on bad terms with Sonya and Jax, he clearly abandoned them in Deadly Alliance, I believe Kenshi used Jax and Sonya for their teleportation device so he can get in Outworld to get revenge on Shang Tsung. It would be quite interesting to see him try and rally up the warriors after his actions.
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02/09/2007 05:16 PM (UTC)
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Grizzle Wrote:
queve Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:


I don't really recall the MK fans giving Kung Lao the "unexisting" title of "next MK hero" after MK3. When MKDA came out, sure, I guess some would say that.

He has a different feel from Liu Kang. Just because he's a Shaolin warrior monk like Liu doesn't make him redundant, especially with him abandoning his Shaolin beliefs. Making him more like his MKSM self only further ruins his character.

Johnny Cage becoming leader all of a sudden is just silly, and why would the others accept him becoming leader anyway? Even if he did supposedly learn about Shinnok's plot, what does he have that makes him a leader?

I don't see how the idea of Sub-Zero or even Kenshi becoming the new leader would be predictable, and I certainly don't see how they are better suited for the role. Sub-Zero may be one of the characters that are part of the main Earthrealm heroes, but he has his own story arc. I don't see how Kenshi has a "mean" attitude. He simply doesn't want to really get himself involved in the so-called affairs of "good" and "evil".

It's more than just JC not doing much to stand out from the others. His problem also lies in his great lack of character development. Sure, people knew that there was more to him that just some egotistical action star. However, that was never really delved into and properly developed, thus JC's redundant and stagnant character.

I understand where you're coming from with the stuff around the end of MKD. It would've been better if some of the heroes stayed under Onaga's control like Sonya and Jax. Also, I agree with you on the reflection thing. I too feel it's needed for them to reflect on their experiences as Onaga's slave.

I doubt Cage's visions came from his death.

I agree that the death/resurrection crap is way too overused. That's why in MK, death needs to have meaning and consequence, or it'll be a lot like DBZ.


Nah, I remember quite well all the fuss about Kung Lao being Liu Kangs successor in the “hero” department since Mk3. The majority had him as their best next pic. Classic days.

I do agree though that the MKSM version of him ruined him, Im guessing it was all more thanks to the horrible dialogues and kind of poor story, because the idea of him being jealous of Liu Kang and a bit more (damn, forgot the word in english), lets say “wild” (as in “no goody goody following the rules type of hero”), is kind of interesting. He came off a as a bit immature.

Still, I honestly don’t like it. Something or someone different would be better, not another shaolin monk.

I don’t think Johnny Cage is the main leader/hero of the storyline, like Liu Kang was, but he is this new Mks main leader/hero of this story. What makes it different I guess, is that Liu Kang won before, he always won, and defeated the dangerous threat, but I doubt Johnny Cage will do that.

His role doesn’t center about him being the chosen one to defeat the next big bad guy, its more about reuniting all the forces of light and spread the news about this new discovered threat, so all can fight and do something about it. He is guiding them all, that’s what really makes him stand out, I really like this.

I doubt it will go farther then that like some are assuming. He wont be the next gen hero to defeat the biggest evil of all, it doesnt sound like it at all, but he will be the leader in charge of getting everyone to battle. Thats why I love it so much, loads of importance to revive his character and give him depth, but not exaggerated as to make it look silly, imo. It works just fine.

Oh, and I didn’t mean that Kenshi was predictable, just Subby. And its not a bad thing about Sub-Zero though, if he happened to be the next “main” hero, it wouldn’t really be a shocker, his story has pointed to him being important enough to take that role easily any day, and it suits him, I too rather see him stay with his agenda, but its still likely and not entirely impossible.

Kenshi on the other hand is sort of unpredictable, and imo, would rock as a next main hero. Some people actually thought about this when he was first known during MKDA. And though its clear what his purpose is, he still came off as rather “mean” and indifferent in his bio, kind of arrogant too.


I agree with you on your insight on Kenshi. He would rock as the leader because it would add more dimension to all of the main characters, I like the idea of how the Earthrealm warriors would argue over the fact over who would be in charge to lead them just like we on this site are doing right now. Personally if I was a warrior in Mortal Kombat I would not follow Kenshi faithfully because of his backround. Remember in Deadly Alliance in his Konquest story, he would go around Japan just killing swordsmen because he wanted a good challenge? I doubt characters like Kung Lao, Johnny Cage, or Liu Kang would get along with him. Also Kenshi is probably on bad terms with Sonya and Jax, he clearly abandoned them in Deadly Alliance, I believe Kenshi used Jax and Sonya for their teleportation device so he can get in Outworld to get revenge on Shang Tsung. It would be quite interesting to see him try and rally up the warriors after his actions.


Kenshi's bio confirms what you had said regarding him using Jax and Sonya for that teleportaion device. After he found out Shang was dead, he left the special forces. So your belief was in a way correct on that.
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