subzero13: You're one of the funniest guys I've ever met on this messageboard. Not only do you not have any valid points to why MKDA/MKD's system is better or good compared than other games, you go and personally attack everyone who doesn't agree with you to go away. Yet you tell people that don't agree with you to that they shouldn't think that way and can never be pleased, even though other franchises keep delivering. Hypocrite anyone?

Honestly, I don't play MK anymore because it's gameplay is just bad and playing "classics" does not compare to playing good new fighting games that continually try to push the envelope. Apparently A LOT of people agree with me because if you were here during the hype of MKD, most people played MKD for 1-3 weeks, unlocked everything, and never played it again. Seeing the same fatality 10,000 times isn't going to make a game last longer, it's the gameplay that held me from MK1-UMK3 at the times of their creation.

I can't bear to play MKD for 30 minutes a month. Yes, I do play Tekken, VF, Soul Calibur, DoA and many other 2d fighters such as SF3:3S, Guilty Gear, and KoF currently. And yes, I do have "friends" many of which I've met in the arcades or go hang out with me there, especially at the university I go to. Believe it or not, you meet a lot of people through school, work, and even gaming.

BTW, UMK3 was the best MK, in my opinion, out of all of them simply due to the fact that there were many strategies you could execute. So I believe there is always a way to improve since MK1 and MK2 do not hold me as the best MKs. To simply brush off series as never getting better is disproved by every other fighting game franchise, especially 3d. Tekken, VF, SC, DoA all get better through iterations. You're not gonna find people playing Tekken 1-2, VF1-2, Soul Fighter/Edge, and Dead or Alive 1-2 over new iterations.

MKDA and MKD is a big downgrade from the strategies you could execute in UMK3 and it wasn't 50/50 either. It's easy to be satisfied with what MK can be, anything average would be fine with me, hell even implementing half the basics in 3d fighters would be enough for me from MK. I have very very low expectations from MK in 3d, I expect a below average fighter. But instead its worse than that.

There I timed/estimated this past month, I've posted and read things on this board about 6-10 times which takes me about 2 minutes to sift through stuff that I would read and 3 minutes to post, which I rarely do now. All in all, I've spent about 20-30 minutes on this messageboard in the past month. Happy now that you know how much of my "life" is wasted on this board? Jeez. I'm sorry it takes you a long time to look at this messageboard for insightful posts as you have clearly stated takes a "big" part of anyone's life to look to belong to MKO. It seriously takes a few seconds to register and a few seconds of looking at forum topics to see if you would want to read anything. As for others who post a lot, I do know that most people on this forum spend more time on this forum than they do on MK, what do you think that says about the game? That a forum full of speculation is more entertaining than playing the game itself? Because as good as fluff (fatalities, blood, unlockables, etc.) ever is, it's novelty wears off after the first few times you see/do them.

The thing is, you people will NEVER be satisfied with what MK is! And you wanna know something else? No matter how GOOD MK gets, it will never capture the magic that came with MK1 and MK2, that's just a fact. That's how classics are. Games nowadays can have all the cool features in the world, and will blow you away, but they'll never feel as... What's the word I'm looking for? Heart-warming? Anyway, they'll never feel as heart-warming as MK1 or 2, because those two have kicked off the series, and ever since, fans have been bitching and bitching and bitching! Your life will not end if you stop buying the new MK games! If you're so freakin disappointed in the series these days then give up on it, go play some Tekken and leave the MK fans alone! Or maybe you can't... Maybe this is the only source of friends you've got... (If you can call them that.) In that case, I cannot sympathize with you. Good luck with that.

No.The fact is that an ignorant noob like you doesn't understand the whole problem here.I bet you don't even truly comprehend the real consequences that 50/50 mix ups and the other flaws have on the game.I bet if I played you online and abused some of these glitches,the first thing I would hear from you would be "Cheap" or "Cheese".

And,for most people,this is maybe something like a hobby.It's not serious as you make it out to be,but even if it was for some people,why would you care?

Anyway,I suggest you stop posting because you're seriously ignorant and don't understand MK:D's flaws.Safe us your worthless posts of personal attacks (and so will I) as well as ignorance.

But MK isn't released in Japan like Tekken...

Sigh, this topic again

Play your Tekken and leave us , MK Fans alone.

That's all.

Ok,M2Dave,let me tell you something,many years ago when Tekken 3 and UMK3 were in the arcades,guess what people would have to wait in a fucking line for hours to play UMK3,while 10 people played Tekken all day long thus collecting dust lol.

MK is a legend in fighters,I'm sure Europe plays MK more than the Japanese,please the Japanese are so home team it's ridiculous.They play DOA,Tekken,Sf,SC,as far as i'm concerned SF is THE ONLY good Japanese fighting game.And was MK's best comp unlike all of these other jokes., that say they are. And if all of you tekken guys hate MK so much,then get the hell out of MKonline,go to a tekken site(if there is one lol) MK is just known for so many things,that NO other fighting game offers.Fellow MK fans know what i'm talking about. And when you beat BNR,how many times did you pick Dairou??let me guess 9 out of 10 right?? lol. I'm tired of hearing you tekken fans sing the same song,Deception is broken,Tekken is so perfect bla,bla,bla.Shut up already. Yeah lol,hey MK fans it's funny how they made a Mk and SF have a card game now,only to hear that Tekken just had to get in lol. And i have a question for general fans and MK fans,since the birth of MK and Tekken,which series has changed drastically in many ways,Tekken or MK HHHHHHMMMMM????

Look, mkflegend. MK doesn't sell as much as Tekken. That's not debatable. You can't debate actual numbers. Anyway, yes, I think UMK3 was a lot better than Tekken 1 (they were released around the same time) but you know what? Tekken 5 is nothing like Tekken 1. As far as I'm concerned the only thing they have in common is the cast. Tekken 5 is as different from Tekken 1 as MK: D is from MK1. The difference is, Tekken got better while MK got progressively worse and the sales figures show it.

Both Tekken 3 and UMK:3 were played competitively.I can't tell exactly which one appealed more to the crowd,but I gaurantee you that Tekken 3 was there with UMK:3.I'll ask TruKing.He's been there.

MK is played in Europe?LMAO.MK:D's sales were poor as hell in Europe.Japanese don't play MK:D because it's crap.Why would you want to play a fighter that's pure 50/50 mix ups when you have Tekken and VF?I wouldn't know.

I'm an MK fan as you are,MKF,except that you're ignorant as hell while I know what a 3D fighter needs to not be considered a broken piece of shit.

On a more personal note,why don't you come to the PS2,so you and I can have some matches?I'll destroy you,and that will be WITHOUT Dairou.I'm tired of your ignorant statements;your competition sucks at X-Box.Come here and I'll show you how shitty this game really is.Bring your friend KillaB,too.We'll have TKO Vs. your clan if needed.Nothing will be more satisfying to me than owning you 10:0 without even putting the cursor on Dairou.

MKFLegend: You DO know that UDON originally did SF and Darkstalkers art in their comics right? So MK is begging SF to get into a card game so they can be drawn by UDON? Get serious, those Epic Battle Card guys are getting licenses from each respective game company SO THAT THEY CAN SELL THEIR CARD GAME, they don't have anyone begging to get in at all, ridiculous.
I'm also tired of people who will take crappy gameplay from Boon while he rubs extras such as mini-games and novelties to hide from the fact that there isn't a good game underneath and will praise Boon on making such a "good" game. A REAL MK FAN cares about whether or not the gameplay is good. Cause guess what? The other tons of people that you claim bought MK aren't here anymore, they are the types of people who bought MK for all the reasons you listed besides the gameplay that stop playing the game after unlocking everything and seeing the fatalities once or twice. The rest of us are left here playing the mess that is MKDA and MKD, with 90% of the moves in the movelist being useless, tons of gamebreaking glitches, easy infinites, easy 50/50s that require only two moves and no setup, lack of ground game, etc. In comparison, other fighting game communities have the same people day in and day out, and they're more numerous than MK fans, what do you think makes them stay with the game? Things that will excite them once or twice, or good gameplay?


Right... because there is no such thing as an MK fan who likes playing multiple video games and want better for the series so that it isn't laughed at by the fighting game community.

Stolen, humbly, from Tony The Tiger. He likes to use that in response to anybody who plays the fun card.



This post is a joke right?



Dunno about that. I've played high and low levels on fighting games. I can honestly say the most fun I've had was when i was playing top level competition. My personal favorite experience was when I went to sacramento for a major tekken tournament and they had a MVC 1 tournament there the same day and I was talked into entering by several other top players despite me not touching the game for 6 months. It didn't hurt that I had a double digit win streak with my #2 team in casuals against several top players. They convinced me somebody had to rep double warmachine so finally gave in and took 5th. The competition was solid the whole way and I had to beat numerous counter character teams and I enjoyed it far more than any casual gameplay I've ever had.



As was said UMK 3 was the best and most balanced mk in the series. To reiterate what hdtran said. Most of the people here who complain wouldn't care if MK was slighly below average. They really don't even expect it to be average or par they go into it expecting a sub par game and even with low expectations they are still disapointed. This is a problem. The thing that most fanboys say to this is that the mk series is designed for casual gamers and I simply point to the FACT tekken outsells to the casual gamer audience AND the hardcore gamers. This shows that you can do both.





Because they know it won't sell... duh...




Ugh... ok tekken 3 and UMK 3 were out at the same time technically. However if you want to compare a tekken game to UMK3 it would be better to compare tekken 2 to umk3 since they were closer to each others release. Tekken 3 had been out roughly 6 months when MK 4 was released and well we all know what happened with that right? For those of you who are ignorant MK 4 BOMBED in the arcades and went on to bomb just as bad on the home systems. Now they said that the arcade scene was dead but tekken 3 was extraordinarily successful during the same time frame. If you honestly had people waiting in line to play UMK3 over tekken 3 you must have lived in some strange corner of the universe not visited by the rest of the world because that's not how it was nationwide. In fact by 97 when tekken 3 was released several arcades didn't even have a UMK 3.


Europe does play mk more than japan but then again 4k units it's first week of release isn't exactly burning up the shelves.

As for tekken 5 being perfect. It's not. Nobody said it was. However if you compare whats wrong with tekken 5 to whats wrong with MK:D you will notice the size of the lists are far from equal. In fact you could probably fill up a few pages on whats wrong wtih MK:D while you can only say a few things wrong with tekken 5 and thats mainly steve. 5.1 is coming out which removes a lot of the problems but will possibly cause some new problems. They fixed too much.

Now I like this:

Tekken,which series has changed drastically in many ways,Tekken or MK HHHHHHMMMMM????

Well tekken has changed pretty drastically and for the most part it's been for the better. Which game has provided gameplay innovations for fighting games though? I'll give you a hint it's NOT MK.

As for you trying to talk about how good you are I could point to a post in the ps2 section where somebody from the x-box said you and killerb were whiners and would just complain when you played and lost to the top ps2 players. I'll bet on m2dave owning you personally.

m2dave: You call me a hypocrite. But you tell me to stop attacking people. Ironic, because you attack EVERYONE who doesn't agree with YOU. You know, I can actually put up a discussion without calling people noobs or idiots. But I guess that takes intelligence.

Your right Tekken didnt drastically change because is didnt suck ass and almost die, it didnt need to change. That is the stupidest statment ive heard from you in a while and your full of stupid statements. Explain that HHHHHHMMMMM

No.. it was I who called you a hypocrite, not m2dave... geez. You put down another's intelligence when you don't even know who said what.


Anyways, there's a lot of undeniable facts about MKDA and MKD..

- Animation is wrong, too fast and choppy, fueling the 50/50 game
- There is no ground game at all so people can do throw infinites and force you into a 50/50 after you get knocked down
- The throw game has no breaks
- 90% of the moves are useless
- There are many game breaking glitches such as Universal Tracking
- There are almost no real move properties and thus real setups
- There are EASY infinites for almost every character
- There are no real movement options
- There is a lack of counters, parries, reversals, and in general, defensive options
- There are no multi-throws
- Imbalance of speed and power. Jabs lead into chains that do 20-40% fully guranteed chains. The fastest and safest move leads to higher damage than slow and useless ones.
- Everything is a chain that is guranteed on whatever hit lands rather than attack strings, canned dial-a-combos.

etc. etc. the list goes on and on. What's MK's excuse in MKD? Boon: Well... we have puzzle kombat! And Blood! And Fatalities! And Krypt filled with mostly useless photos of our faces and random assortments! And many things that you will be impressed with once or twice and yeah... That's why our game is great!

You put up a discussion?Where?I didn't see one in this forum besides some mindless opinions and rants of yours.

See that long list that HDTran just posted?Those are facts that no one here can disapprove with.We as MK players are trying to shorten the amount of problems and fix the existing mistakes hoping that the MK team will listen.You're only hindering the process with your ignorance.

Your right Tekken didnt drastically change because is didnt suck ass and almost die, it didnt need to change. That is the stupidest statment ive heard from you in a while and your full of stupid statements. Explain that HHHHHHMMMMM

MKF is one of the most ignorant people you will ever meet in these forums.He claims Tekken hasn't changed over the years (as if he actually knew what he was talking about;I'm sure he has never played competitive Tekken in his life).Then when you ask him what hasn't changed and is boring,he answers it's the lack of online play...

Trust me, i know how ignorant he is, I just never told. Sadly there is no rule against being a dumbass, and it is his opinion, though i dont respect it. And i guess you gotta admire his undying love for MK, even if he is a moron who lives in his own little world.

everybody calm down.... its only a game.....and for the people who like Tekken,
I have to say () that even if i hate tekken its pretty fun game to play..... if you dont like mk then dont say it in a thread like this please........

Haha, you must be new to this debate. Just waltzing in and taking a look at some of the replies in this thread, you would probably assume this is some kind of MK vs. Tekken thing, but that's really not it at all.

Some of us here have been excited about the new MK's ever since the first rumblings that there was going to be an MK5. After MK4's abysmal failure, many thought MK was dead for good. With the announcement of MK5, the anticipation was high, as well as the expectations.

A fully 3D MK on next-gen systems was a dream come true, and many of us were hoping for at least a half-way decent game engine. Then, Deadly Alliance was finally released.......

And the dissapointment was huge. Basically, the game contained none of the staples of a 3D fighting game, and quickly broke down into 50/50 mixups and a contest to see who had the most damaging dial-a-combos.

But many people endured through the dissapointment long enough to care when MK6 was announced. Many of us said, "Okay, MKDA was dissapointing, but it was Boon & co.'s first fully 3D fighter, and there has been plenty of feedback on what was wrong with it. Don't worry, they'll fix it for MK6."

So then Deception was released. And nothing was fixed. In fact, incredibly, it was even worse. Incredibly unbalanced characters. More broken gameplay. More dial-a-combos. And more than 20-30 INFINITE combos.

Throws cannot be escaped. There are no counters or parries. There is no wakeup game other than a glitch that let's your character stand up faster than normal (auto recover). This game is broken, and many of the people who were patient enough to endure DA and wait for Deception are fed up and long gone.

Those of us who remain are still waiting for MK to be fixed. WE are the true MK fans, not like some of these moronic fairweather fanbois like MKF who just jumped on the bandwagon in the last 2-3 years, who have no idea how a 3D fighter is SUPPOSED to function, and who blindly think MK is the best fighter evar!!!!11111.

People like me, M2Dave, 1TruKing, Tony the Tiger, and countless others want MK to improve. We want it to get better, dammit! And we fuckin deserve it. Guys like us have been around since MK1. We are sick and fuckin tired of MK being the joke of fighting games, which it is and has been for years.

We point to Tekken as an example of how a 3d fighter is supposed to work. This whole argument was never supposed to be about wether Tekken is better than MK or vice-versa, but with ignorant people like MKF responding with "Well, I've seen Tekken before and I think it sucks!!!!! MK IS THE ROXORZZZZ!!!!!!!!1111111 TEKKEN SUCKS!!!!!!!11111111111", sometimes the debate is sidetracked.

And then there are the people who think that if MK had move properties, a wakeup game, frame advantage, and other 3D STAPLES, (like jump kicks were 2D staples. Imagine a 2D fighter without jump kicks), it would play just like Tekken and it would lose the "feel" of MK.

Bullshit. I'll tell you right now, MK's game engine could be a carbon copy of Tekken 5's, and they would "feel" not at all alike, due to different character designs, different level designs, different types of special moves, different animations, etc. Give two sets of game designers the exact same game engine and mechanics to work with, and you would still get two totally different games.

Anyway, the point is we want MK to get better. Hell, we just want it to function properly! Is that asking so much?

Couldent have said it better, I dont hate MK in fact I love it, its just latley its been less than lackluster, at times its been down right terrible. And I want that to change, because like you said im tired of so many people looking at MK as a joke. People only critize it because they want it to be better, it has so much damn potential dammit.

secondgen laying it down with regularity and truth!

Ok. It's finally been established and laid down in foundation that Mortal Kombat: Deception has problems...

So, now what? What are we going to do about it? Lay it down in a nursery rhyme fashion for Ed to comprehend?

"Ed said MK wasn't dead, so he made a new game to keep the fans fed,
MK: D was a half finished blane, so he picked up his klogs and started again,
MK 7 was a respectable succsess, thanks to fan intervention and problem adress, he sowed up the leaks that let water in and made a game that wasn't paper-thin,
Finally, it happened; MK was reborn, and all because of fans who showed contempt and skorn, for past efforts failed in the last piece of tripe, now were redressed, uncloaked by hype,
So it came after listening to feedback, he did the right thing and threw out most krap,
He added in staples, like counters and such, and did it all without overdoing much,
As this moronic rhyme comes to an end, there is a lesson to be learned for Ed Boon and friends; sticks and stones may break your bones, but constructive critiscism... will give you bigger homes!"


WTF?

Well, as you've probably gathered from the above; lay on all the critiscism you like... Maybe we'll get change!
Let's state very, very clearly what we want, until somethinng happens...
Something like... a good MK game!

1TruKing, my post wasn't a joke.

Sigh... It comes back to the same damn question. If you hate the game so much, then why are you here? WHY ARE YOU HERE!? This is a site for fans, I enjoy the game and don't bitch about it 24/7. Instead of concentrating on the bad, I concentrate on the good. If you don't like the game, why are you posting in the MKD forums?

Well, sorry to interrupt your verbal altercations, but I feel I have to in order to point something out; you're telling him to leave, because he is insulting a game you love... But, we need constructive critiscism for MK to evolve into something better. The very fact that you are asking him; "WHY ARE YOU HERE" may actually contribute to the downfall of the franchise you love.
Let me put it this way, If we don't have these "attacks" then what will happen is this; Ed boon will have no feedback on Mk:D and he'll make another game that doesn't fit your expectations.

Put simply; Let him rant!

...Sorry if I insulted you, but people have a freedom of speech; if they didn't, then most sequels would be dissapointing follow-ups, due to a a lack of feedback and suggestions for improvement.

What do you mean why are we posting in the MKD forums? Because we want MK to be better, goddammit! Hasn't this been made clear yet? Yeah, this is a site for fans, not bandwagon morons who turn a blind eye to everything that is wrong with MK.

Look at it this way. Say you're a football fan. Your favorite team just went 0-16. Another fan of the same team criticizes the coach and the players for their horrible performance during the season, and believes changes must be made. Are you going to sit there and tell him with a straight face that there's nothing wrong with the team? That they're the GREATEST TEAM EVAR!!!!!111111111?

I don't fucking think so.

I didn't say it was perfect or whatever. There's plenty of room for improvement, I'm not saying it's perfect. I'm saying that I love the game despite its flaws. And if they were fixed, I'd be happy, but I don't hate the game, if I did, I wouldn't be here. That's all I'm saying.