I agree, but I was simply trying to make a point about some members of this forum. It seems if you don't agree with their views about MKDA & MKD, you are referred to as moronic, idiotic, ignorant, etc.

Hey, I didn't hear any of this talk about the 'broken game' for a long time. When the game first came out everybody was saying how freakin great the game is and how much it has improved since the last one and that games like Soul Calibur 2 had nothing on it. Now all of a sudden, everyone hates the game?

Not everybody hates MKD. And wouldn't it makes sense that everyone liked MKD when it came out, but the longer they played, they realized more and more problems with it?

Hey,tiger,you negelcted to mention SNES sales there man,which MK2 sold better than the genesis BTW,perhaps not the first one,but the second wwas 10 times better than the sega version.Anyway,ok tiger,thats fine it's legit.All i'm saying is that just about everyone else in here who hate MK and loves kissing tekkens ass really gets off posting tekken outsells MK and every fighter without nothing to back it up.

Simple stats are all i wanted.So thanks tiger,But when i said earlier about MK being a top fighter in America,i meant first of all as a series whole,not just Deception,second off despite sales difference,MK still has popularity for it as it always had and always will.


Let me give you a recent example,Star Wars:Reveng of the Sith is a horrible game,horrible reviews,gameplay is okish and it lacks the depth of other star wars games.Now,i just looked up most blockbuster hottest rentals of the past month,guess what Star Wars:ROTS is up there.Want to know why,not because it's a great game,far from it,because Star Wars is massively popular,just like MK.One of my best friends is a die hard Star Wars fan to death,and even he told me that the new Star Wars game sucks,thats why he doesn't play it.I found it funny because he's such a fan of the series.

Except,i'm probably the only one in here that will play every MK whether it's great,average or horrible.I never said that Deception was perfect or not broken it is,but some of you guys are acting as if Tekken can do no wrong.No game is perfect.

I just love my MK,whats so fucking wrong with that???Seriously just because some of you may disagree with some of my opinions or other users opinions,doesn't mean you have to flame me or insult me.

You know what,as someone mentioned earlier in this ridiculous thread,we like MK,go play your Tekken and leave us alone.

Also,one other quick note that i have noticed,alot of people on here rip Deception,yet you still play it??Whats up with that??If you don't mind me asking. Hey fuzzdork,you really think that Tekken is so perfect??or any other MK fans,true MK fans that is.I'm sorry,but to me Tekken is the same song over and over. Yeah because people lose in it Sub-Zero,now everyone hate it,it's broken bla,bla,bla.Funny,i can pley this game perfectly fine without resorting to infinites,glitches etc.

To fuzzdork: Yeah...I know.....

To mkflegend: These people who don't like MKDA's and MKD's gameplay style are fans of MK who simply want the fighting engine to improve. I too would like MK's fighting engine to improve.

I find neither the MK or Tekken series to be perfect. Each of them has their strengths and weaknesses. But still, I love both series.

Nobody is kissing Tekken's ass. It's just used as a comparison for a couple of reasons. First, Tekken has the widest audience so anyone reading these comments would have at least played it. Second, it does right what MK does wrong so it's used as an anchor. It would be less efficient to say "MK does this wrong" without giving an example of how it's done right. By using Tekken as an example, people have some reference point. It's like saying "The store is ten miles away" when someone doesn't know how far a mile is. They need a reference point.



Well, as far as a company is concerned, sales numbers are the only measure of popularity that matters. Who cares if every person in the U.S. knows what MK is if nobody is buying it? MK reached the peak of it's popularity somewhere between the MKII-UMK3 time period. Since then it's clearly dwindled.



Why is that funny? Being a fan of something means acknowledging when that something is crap. Otherwise you're not doing your job as a fan. Fans don't let what they like turn to garbage and not say anything. What if Ed Boon takes a dump in a box and calls it MK7?



I'll play them too. Doesn't mean I have to like them or pretend they're good if they're not. Part of being a fan is giving honest criticism when something sucks. If I weren't an MK fan I wouldn't be spending my time here. Why would I care if MK sucks or not if I weren't a fan?



Nobody has ever said anything even remotely similar to that. Like I said before, Tekken is used as a reference point. No more, no less.



If you close your ears whenever someone says MK is doing something wrong and label them MK haters or Tekken fanboys then you're indirectly killing the series you claim to love so much. Deception sold less than Deadly Alliance. That trend will continue if all of you keep pretending all is peachy. We want MK to get better. If you don't want it to, then fine, that's your business. But why not shed all pretentions and admit to it instead of acting like you're the better fans? Just admit that you like having a rediculous 50/50 game, 20+ infinites, and bizarre glitches. I'm not being facetious either. If you really like those things then you very well can. But if you don't like them why fight us on this?

tiger,i do want MK to improve and offer me new shit as always,but you forgot just one little thing about being a fan of something,no matter what happens,a fan should NEVER turn it's back on what ever they are a fan of.I love the Yankees,MK,to death man!!!!!!!!

If either of them do bad for a while will i turn my back one them and turn to another team or another fighter???Hell no!!!!!!Thats a phony fan if you ask me,look at last years season the Bo sox won,now everyones a RED Sox fan LOL.It's phony,it's utter BS.I believe that some people will automatically turn their back on something like a traitor if their team or game isn't doing the job.Ok,i can see complaining,wanting more,wanting improvements,thats perfectly fine,really it is.Trust me like i said,i love the Yanks,everyone had them dead and buried earlier this year,yet where are they now all you anti-Yankee fans??Thankyou.

Anyway same thing with MK,when UMK3 was out,MK ruled and the same thing with MK2.It was hot!!!

Then MK puts up MK4,and it's not so good,everyones like ok MK is dead lol.Then is comes back from the ashes with DA.Great,then Deception comesout,everyones happy it's online and all the MK fans are pleased,then they discover infinites,glitches,etc.(Stuff that i'm so sure doesn't exist in any other fighter,i'm so sure)And all of a sudden Deception sucks.Fine if a fan wants improvement,then fine,you want a better product.You can still enjoy playing the game though.

And tiger i have to disagree with you on the sales thing,saying thats all that matters,hardly man.Thats strickly your opinion.There are a shit load of fans on this site and not that love MK just for what it is.

And despite the engine gig,the 3D movement,What else does Tekken offer me???No online,(and please all you tekken fans don't feed me that frame rate BS)It's no excuse,if DOA can go online,even though it sucks,i';m sure they will improve it when DOA 4 comes out.Theres no clothes ripping,blood,bruising,some sort of way to kill your opponent.Well,it's not dark lets put it that way,You don't have to be as much aware as your surroundings in Tekken as you do in the past two MK's,the button combinations are beyond a pain sometimes,characters that sound like Lui Kang LOL.I mean these are things that i'm noticing that don't impress me at all.

I have another friend who loves Tekken,yet he gives MK the credit it deserves,he has MK:DA,he loves it.He enjoys both,personally,if i may,i think that some people in here are anaylizing games a little too much,just a little.Your obsessions with technical shit is over writing your fun,fanbase drive.Instead of seeing the high points and new shit that a game offers,you insist on killing yourselves by spotting out the weak points.You dwell on all the downs,but yet the ups you ignore or doesn't live up to your standards.

You know if i had a billion dollars,i would give some of you MK bashing guys some money just to make MK 7 all by yourselves,let Midway do it's thing,and then when release time comes,i would compare and let all the fans on this site comapare.And see if we are getting a good product,a midway product,or a tekken product with a MK logo on it.Seriously,if you think you can do better,much better,theni would pay to see it,if not i just wasted money on a p.o.s. product,and take my chances with midway.

But that's what I mean. You're being ignorant for the sake of ignorance. Just admit you don't know what you're talking about and be done with it. Saying that "frame rate BS is no excuse" is like saying "I want to know why the tides change, and don't feed me that moon's gravity crap either." You wonder why people can't talk to you, well I'm telling you right here. You pretend that you know more than you actually do. If you stop doing that and actually listen to the facts that are presented, maybe you'll learn something. But until that happens, don't expect people to accept your statements as anything but meaningless rants because you seem to like to disregard actual facts.

MFK Legend, no I can't still have fun playing the game. Being a fan of MK with high expectations, I can't still have fun when I'm a paying customer and I'm given a broken POS. MK claims to be a fighter, but it is lacking everything that is a fundamental in modern fighting games.

Would you enjoy it when you have high hopes for the Yankees, only to find out
that the players slacked off all season and play like crap? I don't think so.

But this is your stupid defense to something like that:
"That's alright, I am a true Yankees fan. They USED to dominate, and now they deliver poor performance. But TRUE fans grit their teeth and pretend everything's fine. I'm not gonna give the Yankees any of my feedback, because of course, that would be betraying them."
This was never meant to be a MK vs. Tekken thread. If you read my first post, I merely stated that I started playing Tekken and that I was impressed. Many other members here seem to agree with me, and they can describe why Tekken is impressive by using CONCRETE EVIDENCE.
You're calling us Tekken fanboys, but I think you actually mean that you are a MK fanboy. We have played both MK and Tekken thoroughly, and then we made our judgements. Meanwhile, you have played ONLY MK, and then you think you know everything about every other fighting game.

When did I say I think Tekken is perfect? I hate Tekken. I loathe Tekken. My ol' lady was standing behind me as I typed this, and even she said "you never play that game."

I just wanna say real quick that MK is my favorite video game franchise and that I like it more than Tekken.

Fuzzdork,i was asking you ,not accusing you man lol.Sorry if it came out wrong.So you and i are the only two that hate tekken,ok thats good.

And tiger,still,not ignorant man,just nobody gives me a straight out answer,please,tekken has flaws just like MK does.

Just think if the great PS 3 coming out can't handle a fighting game because of frame rates,do you know how dumb and lazy that sounds???I don;t care how ignorant you think i am tiger,if i'm a tekken fan,i don't want to hear that BS.I have played Tekken,i can't stand it,VF same shit,DOA,all grapples,it's ok but not my cup of tea,SF is good just like MK.Thats why when ever people in general talk about fighters you hear the likes of MK 2 and SF II days,not Tekken and VF.

I guess some people like a fighting game that is good offline with no online play what so ever therefore limited competition,rather than other fighters that are online MK,SF,GG,DOA etc.,thus less opportunities to make new friends,have new fresh comp and keep the game fresh,but hey man if you enjoy beating the snot out of the computer and owning like 10 friends in the game be my guest,don't let me stop you.

You play your tekken,and i'll play my MK.Ok tiger,end of story.MK is dead when Midway is dead.Not happening for a long time.

And host,it's funny because you contradicted your own point.First you mock my example with the Yankees involved,in saying fans demand success,gee no shit sherlock,tell me something i don't know LOL.Then you go a head and say you won't betray your Yankees,my point exactly.You made it for me.

And who are you kidding,the Yankees are not the team they were a few years back,but to have them done or not making the playoffs this year or anything like that is just ignorant and stupid to say.Look at the standings my friend,tell me how many games the yanks are out of 1st.And also say that you never meant this thread to become a MK vs. Tekken war.Well,what did you expect???You claim to be a MK fan,yet you kill MK and kiss tekkens ass.Like i said,it has a sweet fighting engine,anything else???UUUUMMMMM,NO!!!
And yes as i mentioned earlier,have to read people,I HAVE PLAYED TEKKEN AND I HATE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ok, nevermind then. It did kinda sound that way.

MKF: Okay.. you sound really ignorant because your arguments are based on things you don't understand.

The way MK handles frames has nothing to do with whether a system has enough "power" to keep a steady framerate. The way MK handles frames is problematic because their animation is a joke, so they speed everything up so that it accomodates 50/50s. They also do not have real frame advantage (where you can recover faster than your opponent based on doing less ideal pokes than what you use for a mixup On Hit, or On Counter-Hit or On Block). Since it doesn't use a real system that every other 3d fighter has, it doesn't have Counter-Hits either and since the animation is so poor, counter-hitting (the act of hitting someone while their attack is still winding up), is close to impossible. This leads to more problems than you can imagine because in 3d fighters, baiting and spacing for counter-hits is a big part of the 3d fighting genre.

As for your dislike of Tekken, that's fine. I play all the better 3d fighters and most 2d fighters, everyone has their own cup of tea. But since you are unable to play 3d fighters at that level of understanding and know how certain things work or even know how to use it, you generally give opinions only rather than any facts. If you can't wavedash (and the 6-8 other movement options), do tech-roll catches, use frame advantage for setups, etc. then you REALLY haven't played Tekken. It's like someone saying they've played MK when they can't do nor understand how to use any of the special moves. Surely Tekken takes more skill and thinking and thus a longer time to learn than just simply memorizing the execution of moves and alternating between two moves, but thats just how it is and to form any opinion of it requires that much time. The worst part is that you don't understand the basics of a 3d fighter, you don't even know what they are and what they are used for. It's fine if you cannot execute them, but you don't know how they fit into the whole picture and why they exist in every 3d fighter besides MK and why MK is worse without them.

To form an informed opinion about ANYTHING in this world, you need to understand WHY and HOW things of similarity work. It's like commenting on how an action movie sucks without having ever seen more than 10 action movies, you know? In games its a bit more difficult because it requires interaction between the user and the medium besides simply just viewing/listening/etc. For some games to be understood, like Tekken 5, they require knowledge of the basics and to even play at a basic level, you need to understand why some of the things are there. To get to even a mid-level it requires even more understanding. Look at say an all-around character's movelist like Jin and find out how to at least use 50-70% of his moves, how they can be used, why they are used, and why alternating between a few moves in Tekken doesn't work. Find out why people play ground games, people can play spacing games, how people can move quickly around the arena with special dash techniques, etc. You don't need to be able to do them, but understand why they are there and how they improve the game.

Now MKD is a LOT easier than Tekken 5, if you had someone teach you how to play competitively, you should be able to play at a high-level with any character in at most a day. Sure they won't be able to play top-level and beat other high-level players consistently, but they should be able to beat anyone moderate or lower in a day.. which says volumes, but that's another topic. So let's say someone plays MKD and didn't know how to do any of the special moves or even basic 50/50 mixups and called MKD crap. How would you feel about the person's opinion? Very ignorant right? So without understanding how another game really works, at least on it's basic level to mid-level play, when you say MKD is the best... well frankly it's like saying MKD is the only one I understand, so it's the best. Which is a very flawed argument. If you take it with your perspective of SF, which I'm sure you're more knowledgable of due to your approval of the series, it's like playing SF without understanding how super cancels work or basic things such as cancelling a crouching middle kick into a super or why certain things work off counter-hits and how people fly up higher from them, cross-ups, etc. You simply just need more understanding in a game of similar genre (3d fighter in MKD's case) to get a truly valued opinion. If you don't understand something, ask and learn. If any terms I speak of (basic knowledge to basic-level Tekken players) you don't know of, learn and understand. Get a scope of what is out there before sitting on a perched hill and claiming something is the best.

As for MKD... imagine if you played UMK3 without fireballs, jump kicks that came out instantly, unbreakable throws, and every poke in the game such as sweeps coming out instantly too. (trying to mimick MKD as much as possible in a 2d setting) That's a pile of trash, a pile of 50/50 trash where projectiles are worthless and you constantly apply stuff with no need for setups, spacing, etc. That's truly what MKD is.

There's a lot of facts that have been stated about MKD's system, quite honestly, MKD's gameplay is close to utter shit. I love MK, I love things ABOUT MKD besides the gameplay, and I remember the days I used to play UMK3 day in and day out, but even I can admit MKD's gameplay is crap. There's nothing the MKD system does right, at all. Sure, some may like it for the fluff, everyone has the right to enjoy something. BUT from a gameplay perspective, MKD is a big failure when it comes to providing strategic and competitive play, which is the goal of any competitive game. And you're not less of a fan for pointing out the system needs a lot of work and which points need work in. All the people who even post on here care enough about the series to point it out and to tell others why its so.

People that don't care are the ones that aren't fans. People that hype the game up and buy the game and play them for 1-3 weeks unlocking everything and then never playing it again is the reason why we have a shoddy gameplay mechanics because they buy it for all the fluff (secrets, blood, fatalities, etc.) and then are satisfied once they see it and leave... while the rest of us still left have to deal with the gameplay. Those are the fans that you shouldn't want, not the ones that stay and care enough about the game to want it to be better.

As for the point of all of us pointing it out, Boon and Midway have consistently said they listen to the fanbase and that they read the forums, which is why MKDA to MKD turned out the way it did. People pleaded for fatalities, for characters, for stage fatalities, etc. and that's what we basically got, more fluff. Well, let's see what would happen if people were aware that MKD's gameplay is worse than a joke and if people started asking for it, whether Midway will deliver at least a below average fighting game or not. I'm not asking MK to be a complex game, surely games like Soul Calibur are easy for casual people to mess around in. I'm asking MK to have at least some strategic depth so that it goes beyond the mixup of two height-levels and has a reason for implementing 90% of the moves that aren't used in MKD today.

Verse: I read your post, some really good stuff about the specifics of why MKD is why it is.

But that's all it needs, is a sweet fighting engine. Without it, you wouldn't be able to play it, just watch two characters standing on screen doing nothing. Gameplay is the most important element, and at least Tekken has that box well and truly ticked.

When Tekken 4 was released, fans complained because it had disapointing gameplay elements, so by the time Tekken 5 was released, everything was improved and it was an exceptional game. Granted it still had a few flaws, so they are now releasing a new version fixing those flaws (whether they get fully abolished is yet to be seen). Point is Namco listens to it's fans, they test their products and if there is anything wrong, they rectify it. Midway have had two games released, the first one had a ton of flaws, the second was barely changed, but had twice the amount of flaws as it's predessesor. They didn't listen or try to rectify their mistakes, they just churned out the same broken game for all the gullible masses they knew would buy it. That's what is lazy, it's like they made new fatalities, special moves and characters and said "Hey let's wrap it up now and get our cash in. No one will notice it's the same old shitty gameplay".

As for "anything else?", Tekken has a lot of other things over MK. Besides the main priority, the engine, it has more convinient and standard modes of play (Story mode, Team mode, time attack, a better arcade mode that never-ends), a mini game which IMO is more interesting and valuable than MK's chess or puzzle kombat. It also has better graphics than MK, although MK's graphics aren't terrible themselve. Basically you are trying to say that just because it doesn't have blood or fatalities it falls below MK standards, because that's the only thing it doesn't have that MK does. That and a less involved story, but storyline is just another salad dressing. Oh and IMO Tekken character are better than MK, but that is more based on opinion than anything else. Even though Tekken has flaws, they are not as extensive as MK's flaws. MK's flaws are damaging, Tekken's are not. That is the difference. As someone said, MK flaws would fill up several A4 sheets, Tekken's would be a few sentences.


"I have played Tekken,i can't stand it,"
More likely you didn't know how to play it. Too hard for you?

Tekken 4 with all it's flaws was MUCH better than MKD is right now. I personally loved Tekken 4. I loved it's feel and the way it played out. I am one of the few people who actually preferred it over TTT. T5 is defiinitly better though.

What HD-Tran said is the absolute truth. In fact, 99% of what myself,ttt,hdtran,1truking,second gen and all the others who acknowledge MKD's shittiness have said is the truth. MKFLegend you cannot argue this. It's VERY apparent that you are VERY foolish and lack intelligence. I'm sorry there is nothing we can do to change that. Since after an hour's worth of reading all these intelligence and well thought out post, all you can reply with is gibberish that has nothing to do with gameplay. It's sad reafing your post really. I hope you realize that no one with half a brain is on your side with this matter. Shame on you.

Yeah, Tekken 5 definately has some flaws. But they are not just like MK's flaws. Tekken's flaws are mere scratches, while MK's are friggin dents.

Heihachi, for example, has a broken move that is totally safe on block, meaning if it is blocked, he will most likely be able to block in time to avoid being punished. His 2, 2, 1+2 guarantees a f, f+2, which altogether does around 40% damage.

Now, lets put that in perspective. One character has one guarenteed move off of a combo that does about 40% damage and Tekken players are calling him broken to all hell. Now, compare that to say Noob Smoke or Bo "Rai Cho or any other Deception character. How many moves and combos do they have that are guaranteed? And 40% damage, hell, that's the low end of the spectrum. It's easy to see by comparison that Deception's standards are laughably low. As an MK fan, this is unacceptable.

One more Tekken 5 flaw. In fact, you should love this, it's an infinite. That's right, Tekken 5 has at least one infinite combo that I know of. But here's the thing. This infinite is so situational, and so difficult to pull of that the chances of it actually happening outside of the practice mode are nearly impossible. It could never happen in an actual match. That's the difference between Tekken and MK's game mechanics. MK's flaws are huge, while Tekken's are incredibly minor (at least to us MK fans).

Now ask yourself, as MK fans, don't we deserve that type of quality in our games as well?



You still don't get it. I will say this plainly. THERE IS NO INTERNET CONNECTION IN EXISTANCE THAT IS FAST ENOUGH TO RUN TEKKEN 5. There is a big difference between running a game on a home console through a centralized CPU that instantly processes data and sending that data through a cable, into a modem, into another cable, sending the data out to god knows where, into another cable, into another modem, into yet another cable, into someone else's console, and onto their TV screen. Even the slightest bit of lag would make Tekken 5 unplayable online.

It's not dumb, and it's not lazy. As far as I know (though I could be wrong about this), not even a T3 connection could run Tekken 5. And even if it could, how many people do you know who have a T3 connection in their homes?



Limited competition? Arcades do still exist, though they are not what they once were, you can still find plenty of competition for a game like Tekken in the arcades. Now let's talk about the tournament scene. Tekken's tournament scene is one helluva lot bigger than MK's online scene. It's not even close. If you think there is limited competition for Tekken players, you have your head up your ass wondering where all the daylight went.



It's a fucking fighting game!!! The fighting engine is the most important part!



Again, you hating Tekken is irrelevent. No one fucking cares. The point is Tekken does what it was designed to do. MK does not. End of story.

You're an open book. You don't want MK to improve at all. You want it to remain every bit as broken as it is now because that's the only way you can possibly understand the fighting system. You don't want MK to become the least bit deep or competitive because you know that if it did you would suck at it, and would not understand it in the least. That's why you like MK. Because it's the only fighting game you're any good at.

It's not disrespectful it's honest.

You said you found various problems with tekken 5. All of your "problems" are superficial and have nothing to do with gameplay. While people in the thread are talking about gameplay issues not fluff. It just saddens me that somebody would actually call the announcer a problem on a fighting game...




See this is an example of why people do call you those names. Not because you don't agree but you say stupid shit like this. My problem is he judges a fighting game on extras when it's about the gameplay. It makes me sad. Now you on the other hand just are clueless. I mean you complain about being called an idiot but you spent an entire thread getting owned by myself and others then turn around and say you were just kidding and you really aren't that stupid you just wanted to liven the board up and yet here you are again... I mean how many times have I said that I don't care whether you like the game or not. The fighting engine is bad don't say it's a good fighting game because it's not. You've been proven wrong so many times and you still think people have an issue with you just cuz you like the game. Guess what the vast majority of fighting game players disagree with you too. The vast majority of MK fans disagree too otherwise it's sales numbers would have been up. Like it all you want but don't call it a good fighting game.



Well I came here roughly a month after the game was released and there were threads about how the game was garbage made by the top players. I know at gamefaqs there were threads shortly after it's release as well. Sounds to me like you weren't looking too hard then or maybe you're blind.



Actually heihachi isn't considered broken and neither is that string. The string is safe on block but it's easily sidestepped. Heihachi isn't even considered top tier. Now steve's infinite is actually very easy to do people found a way to make it practical and its why steve is broken. Basically anytime he sidesteps you to the left you're dead. There are a few 100% combos that are very very situational and one other infinite that is also very situational.

As for mkflegend I'd just ignore him. He's had frames explained to him over and over again for months and he still doesn't understand it. He claims he's intelligent but well most people question that quite a bit.

Damn. That's how long it's been since I've been over to TZ.lol. I remember when that Heihachi string was first discovered, some people were hella upset about it.

And I knew Steve was a monster before, but I had no idea people had found a way to do his infinite somewhat consistently. Damn, that fuckin sucks. I'm assuming that's one of the issues the 5.1 patch will correct, among others?

removes the infinite d/f 2 only launches on ch and I don't know if 1,2,1,2 launches at all or if it's just on ch.

Nina u/f 1 is slower and can be tech rolled

tech catches were removed which is stupid its sort of a midway style of fix really. Only a couple characters had overpowered tech catches and in rogers case thats his main game so instead of just fixing bryan's tech catch bs they removed all tech catches. So far people aren't happy with the changes. Some good but too many pointless changes.

I believe 1,2,1,2 no longer launches at all, though I could be wrong. And I had a feeling they would go overboard on some things like they did with the tech catches. In the end I suppose it's possible the patch will create more balance issues than it actually fixes. Eh, whatever.

Looking like the patch actually made the mishimas top tier and steve is still probably top tier nina and bryan probably are not top tier and feng is a maybe with ss 4 recovery on block nerfed and b1 being -10 on block, though supposedly it pushes back a bit so most won't be able to punish.

I can't be assed reading through this thread properly. It's probably the same as all mkflegends other stuff on this issue.
Just posting to say...



I agree. I loved everything about T4. Well, not the 'broken' shit, but the in close style of play, the walls, the sidewalks, etc. If it wasn't so up the works with things like Jin, i'd probably like it more than T5.

I agree kracker jack. I like T4 just as much as T5, but T5's movement give it the extra push for me.

Since we're on the subject of Tekken 5.1...why in the world did Namco decide to make hwoarang's db+4 have WORSE recovery time? It was UNSAFE TO BEGIN WITH! Hwoarang was good, but he wasn't broken. That's pretty gay. They need to make df+2 guaranteed off LFS df+3 again likei t was in the beta. I shit myself when I heard about that.

I did some research of my own and found that RayRokka was grossly incorrect with his numbers. He said that MKD didn't hit the 200,000 on either the PS2 or Xbox by March of '05, yet this is what the NPD had to say about MKD:



Both surpassed 200,000 units. It sold almost a half million copies in October '04 alone, and I highly doubt MKD suddenly just stopped selling after October, either. Maybe you should use better sources next time. Just because he worked for Midway doesn't mean he is right.