Konqrr: that was basically my understanding of the current list except for two.

What makes Onaga and Subby so powerful? Last I heard they were shooting for mid at best.

One word.....................................Frost.
Everyone seems to always block high when I do her freeze moves. LOL. Plus 80% of the time they fall for her teleport ice uppercut.

yeah i would also like to know why subby is in the top tier, considering his combos are really weak after a freeze and he isnt the quickest guy around.

Shotokan 3 is mid now...anything else?

I know you guys are alot more experienced at this thing than i am but is shotokan 3 enough to take him to top tier among 60+ characters. I mean in the Deception tier list, he was almost dead last. So how can just the addition of 3 mid make him top tier. Is there something else that adds to him being top tier. Just my curiosity. Dont mean to contradict you.

lol, yes, I was right! Hooray for Sub-Zero!

Also, I too feel Mavado is pretty high up. He definitely got some good treatment in this game with the good low poke in Long Fist, Kabal's MKD version of the Hookswords, and some other things.

there a tier list in the prima guid book.
do you guys want that one?

ProudNintendoFan already took care of that on the first page.

dang the first time i skip the first page and this is what happens.

but yeah...i don't prima's list is accurate.

Sub was ranked around 15-17 in Deception due to his intense turtle game and big damage combo. The big damage is gone, but he has an up close mixup game due to 3 being mid...his foes will have to guess when he's in Shotokan as well as Kori Blade. It makes both stances more effective. His bread and butter (b&b) combo after freeze is 113, throw for 30% damage. He can now clone in the air, and in fact you cannot walk under it or you will be frozen, hence we effectively call it the Clone Wall.

Mavado is great.

indeed they completely fucked smoke over. you can't do his smoke cloud unless youre almost a half a screen away from your oponent. but whatever he's my character for life so i learned how to kick ass with him anyway.

Found a decent combo with Ermac:

B+2, Air 1,1,3,4,DB+1 (projectile)

My question is this: Could someone try this for me (because I'm busy at the moment) and see if you can start this combo with a TK Slam, then go into the B+2 and everything else?

I hate to say I told you guys so but I told y'all that Moloch was gonna end up top tier. Sadly enough I'm unstoppable online when I use Moloch. At the moment, he's a god tier character ^_^. I'm happy since Moloch is my favorite character

how are u happy theirs a character that completly unbalances the game....?

1) I never said anything about Moloch unbalancing the game BUT I did say I was happy that he's a top tier character.
2) I also said I was happy that he's my favorite character.
3) He may be an unbalanced character BUT he does have a weakness though......at least I think he does.

im sorry but playing as moloch online and winning is like winning with Bo in deception. NOTHING to be proud of! Play as someone else seriously, and dont give me that hes my fav. character crap no one likes moloch as a favorite.

Umm, I've owned countless moloch players online with Kung Lao. Jump back, air dive, and any combo of your choice (repeat until dead). I tend to mix up 1,1,3,3 & 1,1,4. As long as you're jumping like mad, you'll be alright.

Been working with Khan as of late, and he has a 39 percent combo damage, thats pretty high. With a guy is holding his weapons, thats 45 percent.

Now Khan vs other bosses are other story, But he is indeed a high here.


Not sure about Kintaro.

You mean high tier? If so, I'm going to strongly disagree. Shao Kahn is only slightly better in MKA. Other than some wee bit of improvements, he's still low-tier material. Just because a character is powerful doesn't automatically make him/her top tier.

Take Jade in MKD for example. She can do massive damage yet she's slow and unsafe thus not being top tier. It's a similar situation with Shao Kahn, a character who is pretty strong but is slow and unsafe.

Motaro was actually made fairly good in this game, probably to compensate for the loss of his legs. The Mount Stance is awesome for fake-outs (especially since every move for it is one-button), though I don't like that he has his Shoulder Charge for both stances, AND his Mount Stance has a flying pounce that essentially does the same thing as his charge. The Donkey Kick can set up for some nice combos, but his teleport seems a tad slow to be useful for tele-change ups, and he has some nice high-damage combos for any occasion.

Kintaro, I think, got shafted when his Tele-Stomp was removed. His Breath move is a nice set-up for some punishment, if you can catch the opponent off-guard, but there's just not any good combos for him to take advantage of it. And his charging throw is a poor substitute for the stomp.

I havent really played as anyone else, but I have got to question the logic behind Chameleon's long-ass Crane-branching combo; no combo should have that many button combinations to memorize, especially when the opponent can just parry and/or break out of it at any time and pulverize our color-changing friend to a prismacolor smear on the ground.

mine is Smoke (u smoke haters) I found out how to do 60% damage

so out of the Shokan Warriors, Kintaro is the weakness than?? Would you put Goro and Sheeva over Kintaro?? And how about the Shokan vs other fighters, were would you put them?

thanks for the explanation Konqrr.

I haven't played as any of the other Shokan (or most of the other fighters), so I can't say. But Kintaro without his Teleport Stomp is just plain wrong, and this utter lack of combos sucks ass. Hell, other than his Breath and Charging Throw moves, he's got nothing, while the other Shokans have at least double the moves and kombos than he does. I love his design, and he's still one of my favorites, but he got shafted, big time.

Could someone please fill me in on Sonya, Mileena, Sindel & Tanya please? I don't really want to wait until the 27th to find out whether they suck or not.