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10/17/2006 02:48 AM (UTC)
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Don't worry guys, we have bios!

Meat is a fun character who assists Shinnok.

See?
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Sonya_B
10/17/2006 03:19 AM (UTC)
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For the first time tyou want Tobias back?! I'v been wanting him since MK:DA, when some fucking bloody idiots thought Hsu Hao, Nitara and the rest of the crap new characters were worthy of MK! Vampires?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Let's face it, when Tobias left, MK lost its original, creative hard-working half. We got stuck with the lame, idiotic, stupid and immature bullshitter called Ed asshole Boon.

How I wish he'd get fired and replaced by Tobias! I'm just happy it's the final MK as we know it. It is the last srop of blood... of a slaughtered saga, that is.
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10/17/2006 03:30 AM (UTC)
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I wholeheartedly concur with the sentiments of some of my colleagues above..........


Fuck Midway!!!!

This is the worst story line of any MK fighting game, no bios, and weak ass non-canon Kata endings.

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10/17/2006 04:10 AM (UTC)
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Midway can go FUCK THEMSELVES!

Thanks for taking my hard earn $50 you no good Pieces of Shit!
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10/17/2006 04:13 AM (UTC)
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This is the same kind of mentality that almost had someone like Ashton Kutcher playing Clark Kent in Superman Returns.

Does any of the f*#cking Midway team even remember playing the first few Mortal Kombats? If not, it probably would have been a good idea to refresh their memories as to what made this series appealing in the first place.

Keep your goofey ass motor racing and give me back my Mortal Kombat I used to LOVE!!!
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10/17/2006 04:23 AM (UTC)
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if you got the mka premium, some char bios come with it on the bonus dvd.

whats your beef? you're always bitching about the stories anyway. chances are if they did include bios, you would make a petition to change them cause of just how awful you think they are.
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10/17/2006 04:37 AM (UTC)
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scorpio Wrote:
if you got the mka premium, some char bios come with it on the bonus dvd.

whats your beef? you're always bitching about the stories anyway. chances are if they did include bios, you would make a petition to change them cause of just how awful you think they are.


Our beef is, that the 'bios' that come on the bonus DVD are reused from MK: DA and MK:D, or (for the characters that are returning from games earlier than those two), give absolutely NO information about where they were during their absence, how the characters who were confirmed to have died (like Kintaro, Motaro, and Sheeva) are alive and kicking now, and why they're back for the game.

With all of YOUR bitching about the gameplay over storyline, I'm beginning to strongly suspect that you don't know one thing about the MK storyline. If you did, then you'd at least understand why we're complaining. Look at the endings for nearly any character in the game, and then compare it to the established canon for that character; they don't even come close to lining up. Hell, there's story contradictions between some character endings AND THE EVENTS IN THE GAME'S KONQUEST MODE! If even the game's self-contained storyline can't even keep itself straight on the facts, then there's no way in hell that it'll keep itself straight on the facts with past continuity.
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10/17/2006 05:33 AM (UTC)
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I think it's safe to finally say that I wish MKA game never came out, too many let downs since day one: lame KAFs, then Khameleon being confirmed in XBOX Magazine only to later be retracted by Midway, then Motaro only having 2 legs which didn't bother me so much as it did some people, but now this no biography bullshit is just too fucking much, none of my friends like MK but I defend it by saying it has a decent story, but now I have nothing to fucking work with, I never played Special Forces before, maybe I should give that a chance (for the story of course), ditch this shit
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10/17/2006 05:35 AM (UTC)
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Spoiled brats of dog-vomit.

While I am finding the lack of story quintessentially the gereatest flaw of MK, some of you are a disgrace to your own gaming. I am astounded by the amount of whining the forum has produced. Suck it up.

P.S: I am tired of reasoning, but whoever thinkt that MKD and MKDA produced nmisguided characters is utterly wrong and a illiterate fool.
(above reasoning hoes specifically or the Nitara answer...guess what chap, vampire myths originated in the east...in Tibet.)

...fuckin rejects of the human genepool.

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10/17/2006 05:41 AM (UTC)
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Why Midway? Why? sad
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10/17/2006 05:49 AM (UTC)
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Those Rat Bastards....sleep
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10/17/2006 10:07 AM (UTC)
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You want to know where the characters were if they didn't show up in a game? They were absent because they couldn't make all the characters appear in one game.

Guys read my story, seriously, it solves everything. The elder gods resurrected everyone. SMILE gringringringrin
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10/17/2006 11:07 AM (UTC)
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Ive been playin mortal kombat since i was 8 yrs old. I loved it ever since i walked into wal-mart and watched the older kids play it all the time. Well....I personally think the game has a good story line. They explained what happened to some of the characters through the conquest...like scorpion for example...the elder gods betrayed him, right? Well I can live without bios... because how in the hell are they going to explain reptile and onaga and shit like that? Onaga supposedly used reptiles body, right? I think if the petition passes and they make bios for every fighter it might mess up some good plans they have for the future...... how are they going to explain reptile? Maybe they can put bios for some characters....but why? then there is going to be more bitching about missing bios....I think it should be left alone. Plus all the earth fighters were killed in Deception....how are they going to explain that? Through the conquest mode you can tell they put storyline in there for the people they needed to. Im sure they dont want to give away who is going to make it through this armageddon! So lets not make them...i want it to be a surprise! MKA is a great game. Its alot like trilogy. Story will be there some wont....I doubt mk will ever make another trilogy or game with all the characters that are already dead......This is just a fair well to alot of mk fighters and they wanted to give that to us......BE THANKFUL! say goodbye to lui kang, johnny cage, sonya, jax, baraka, and alot more....probably reptile too since he is now onaga in all reality , (LOL) unless he shrinks back down to his old self.
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10/17/2006 12:47 PM (UTC)
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Sonya_B Wrote:
For the first time tyou want Tobias back?! I'v been wanting him since MK:DA, when some fucking bloody idiots thought Hsu Hao, Nitara and the rest of the crap new characters were worthy of MK! Vampires?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Let's face it, when Tobias left, MK lost its original, creative hard-working half. We got stuck with the lame, idiotic, stupid and immature bullshitter called Ed asshole Boon.

How I wish he'd get fired and replaced by Tobias! I'm just happy it's the final MK as we know it. It is the last srop of blood... of a slaughtered saga, that is.



Heh, who said we wanted Tobias back?

I'm tired of your useless speeches :
MKDA plot was great, and MKD was OK... We're talking just about MKA here... So what is the point with your idol Tobias?

We had crap characters (even if some of them are cool now) largely before MKDA IMO : Jarek who was just a Kano look alike, Reiko with his stupid story, Tanya, who was nothing more than a yellow Kitana/Mileena/Jade mix, Stryker, who was just a regular cop without special power, and I could continue...
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10/17/2006 01:28 PM (UTC)
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badboylb32 Wrote:
Ive been playin mortal kombat since i was 8 yrs old. I loved it ever since i walked into wal-mart and watched the older kids play it all the time. Well....I personally think the game has a good story line. They explained what happened to some of the characters through the conquest...like scorpion for example...the elder gods betrayed him, right? Well I can live without bios... because how in the hell are they going to explain reptile and onaga and shit like that? Onaga supposedly used reptiles body, right? I think if the petition passes and they make bios for every fighter it might mess up some good plans they have for the future...... how are they going to explain reptile? Maybe they can put bios for some characters....but why? then there is going to be more bitching about missing bios....I think it should be left alone. Plus all the earth fighters were killed in Deception....how are they going to explain that? Through the conquest mode you can tell they put storyline in there for the people they needed to. Im sure they dont want to give away who is going to make it through this armageddon! So lets not make them...i want it to be a surprise! MKA is a great game. Its alot like trilogy. Story will be there some wont....I doubt mk will ever make another trilogy or game with all the characters that are already dead......This is just a fair well to alot of mk fighters and they wanted to give that to us......BE THANKFUL! say goodbye to lui kang, johnny cage, sonya, jax, baraka, and alot more....probably reptile too since he is now onaga in all reality , (LOL) unless he shrinks back down to his old self.




...once again somebody has no clue on what the hell is going on b/c they only play the game because you can fight and probably have never played any other fighting game besides MK, because if they did, they would realise this game is nothing.

Dude, MKTrilogy had bios for everybody, and if somebody showed up they explained it like Cage. Also, how is explaining Deception and DA's future going to mess up MK8, you totally stumped me when you said that. So it goes like this, If MKA would have explained what happened in Deception........then MK8's story would be ruined? lol you make no sense with that one man. Then you say "unless he shrinks back down to his old self" well there you have it, you obviously dont even know what the hell your talking about, lol. You think he has control over wether he can shrink or grow like a boner or somehtin? lol crazy.


And to everybody that keeps sayin we should be thankful and that MKA is still a great game and that you play it for its gameplay.
Well I have a suggestion for all you people who say you play it for gameplay, there are other fighting games that are similar to MK, but have 10 times better gameplay when it comes to fighting, Soul Caliber, I suggest picking that game up and testing it out. For one, Soul Caliber 2 has been out for a while and you can probably get it for 20 freakin bucks and it blows MK's gameplay out of the water. MK has had the chance to boost there gameplay for years and they've chose to keep recycling old stuff and never adding anything new. They might polish or adjust, but they will never completely revamp anything. Kreate a character is nothing like what they said, and other fighting games got it beat too!! the new fatality system is ridiculous, its the same buttons for every single freakin character and they do the same freakin stuff to their opponents, ya thats a whole lot better then havin fun with your friends tyrin to figure out everybodys UNIQUE CHARACTER SPECIFIC fatalitys and watch them, or their hara kiris.

You people who keep saying you like this game for the gameplay make me wanna vommit. This game's gameplay is almost just as bad as its story, and honestly, the gameplay sucks compared to Deception and DA, and there is nothing to prove that it doesnt. I mean look at the facts, every character has been stripped of one fighting style, not only that, they've lost tons of their kombos, you have to have a character that has a strong ground kombo (with a pop up) and if that character doesnt have a strong ground combo, or a pop up in a kombo, then air kombat is completely useless. Unlike the past games where you could whip out branching combos and completely had tons of less limitations to your fighting, and plus theres like 2 maybe 3 good kombos per character and you have to keep doing the same ones over and over. And the gameplay has not been advanced, it seems faster because the graphics are a little better, and wake ups and parries.......wow!!! huge advancement, lol other games have had that since I knew how to spell parries, hell that might be spelled wrong anyways, lol. This game is not a good fighting game, MKDA and Deception were good, not great, but good fighting games when they came out, but this game should have more, lots more compared to other games who like to bring out new stuff and impress fans and have limitless combos and fighting. Hell if you wanna know the truth, I put Deception in after I beat Konquest on MKA three times and unlocked everything, and its been in there for 5 days and it aint comin out, because if fighting is all the game has, well then I'm gonna play Deception, because Deceptions fighting has a lot less limits and you can fight with different kombos every freakin round just about.

And when you say you dont care about the story, you pretty much take away any sign of you being a true fan, because if you dont like the story, then you probably dont like the movies, probably dont like the comics, probably didnt like the tv series, or the cartoon, you probably dont like anything about MK except that you can fight with it, and thats been its most lacking quality for years, other games have surpassed it completely in fighting engines. So I dont know if you guys just wanna have an argument or if you just arent that into MK period. peace
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10/17/2006 01:29 PM (UTC)
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Sonya_B Wrote:
For the first time tyou want Tobias back?! I'v been wanting him since MK:DA, when some fucking bloody idiots thought Hsu Hao, Nitara and the rest of the crap new characters were worthy of MK! Vampires?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Let's face it, when Tobias left, MK lost its original, creative hard-working half. We got stuck with the lame, idiotic, stupid and immature bullshitter called Ed asshole Boon.

How I wish he'd get fired and replaced by Tobias! I'm just happy it's the final MK as we know it. It is the last srop of blood... of a slaughtered saga, that is.


I wish people would stop talking about how great Tobias is. Anyone remember MK4? Most of his characters were just rip-offs of movie characters and whatnot.

You only like him because he created the "classics". I'm sure if Hotaru was in MK1, he would be loved much more than he is now.

John Vogel + Herman Sanchez + Steve Beran > John Tobias

P.S. Calling Ed Boon a "lame, idiotic, stupid and immature bullshitter called Ed asshole Boon" is pretty idiotic, stupid and immature.
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10/17/2006 01:38 PM (UTC)
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Ever since John Tobias left, there has been a downturn in the storyline of MK. With Tobias still around i dont think there would be these many plot holes in the mk storyline. Also, John Tobias did alot in terms of giving life to characters.
When Tobias left , the storyline became incoherent and just plain out lame. Darn I miss John Tobias.sad
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10/17/2006 01:42 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Sonya_B Wrote:
For the first time tyou want Tobias back?! I'v been wanting him since MK:DA, when some fucking bloody idiots thought Hsu Hao, Nitara and the rest of the crap new characters were worthy of MK! Vampires?! GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK!

Let's face it, when Tobias left, MK lost its original, creative hard-working half. We got stuck with the lame, idiotic, stupid and immature bullshitter called Ed asshole Boon.

How I wish he'd get fired and replaced by Tobias! I'm just happy it's the final MK as we know it. It is the last srop of blood... of a slaughtered saga, that is.


I wish people would stop talking about how great Tobias is. Anyone remember MK4? Most of his characters were just rip-offs of movie characters and whatnot.

You only like him because he created the "classics". I'm sure if Hotaru was in MK1, he would be loved much more than he is now.

John Vogel + Herman Sanchez + Steve Beran > John Tobias

P.S. Calling Ed Boon a "lame, idiotic, stupid and immature bullshitter called Ed asshole Boon" is pretty idiotic, stupid and immature.



I do agree with this post. His statement about Hotaru is right. And I would choose many of the new characters such as Mavado, Frost, Nitara, even Drahmin over quite a few of the "classic" lame half-assed Tobias characters like Stryker, basically every "ninja", Jarek, Tanya, Kai, Reiko. There is only one thing that Tobias did to show that MK was evolving, and that was turning Reptile more into a reptilian creature instead of human. And I'm sure that wasn't even his idea.

You have to love the fact that no one realizes that each "ninja" started to change and become unique AFTER Tobias left, and yet all these people want him back. Ok, you guys can go play Tao Feng because, you know, that game was good right? If that's what you want MK to be, then I pity you.

Go ahead and try to kick Ed Boon out of his position so John Tobias can get back in, so MK can become what it used to be, a game of pallet swap ninjas, and then add Stryker.

I'm ashamed...
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10/17/2006 02:01 PM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
Ever since John Tobias left, there has been a downturn in the storyline of MK. With Tobias still around i dont think there would be these many plot holes in the mk storyline. Also, John Tobias did alot in terms of giving life to characters.
When Tobias left , the storyline became incoherent and just plain out lame. Darn I miss John Tobias.sad




Ever since Tobias left there has been a downturn in the storyline? lol thats the craziest thing I've ever heard man. MKDA had the most story ever in any MK game when it came out, and it sold like hotcakes, everybody was so in love with MK and its great new mythology. And Deception even topped that with double the amount of mythology. Deception and MKDA are known for the greatest mythological stories of the MK universe as far as games go. And ummm.....there would be plotholes if John Tobias were still here just as there is with the current MKTeam. Besides, if Tobias vision of MK4 was the way the rest of the games were going, then MK would probably not be here or have half the story it does now. The current MKteam is the best team for the storyline, they made it amazing and captivating. But whats really funny is they completely screwed it up with MKA just to make a quick buck, lol weird shit man.
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10/17/2006 02:48 PM (UTC)
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Wow! Who had that brilliant idea to not insert bios in the game? Aside those crappy endings, the only contact we had with the storyline was that konquest mode which brought more questions than answers.

Wasn't that game supposed to tie all loose endings and finish this chapter of the serie?

Nemesis316 Wrote:

Meat is a fun character who assists Shinnok.

Ironicaly, that's the only "bio" which reveals something we didn't know.
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10/17/2006 02:57 PM (UTC)
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ReCeFaJo Wrote:
Wow! Who had that brilliant idea to not insert bios in the game? Aside those crappy endings, the only contact we had with the storyline was that konquest mode which brought more questions than answers.

Wasn't that game supposed to tie all loose endings and finish this chapter of the serie?

Nemesis316 Wrote:
Meat is a fun character who assists Shinnok.

Ironicaly, that's the only "bio" which reveals something we didn't know.





....and whats even funnier than that, lol, is the fact that we almost already knew that too, lol!!
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10/17/2006 07:16 PM (UTC)
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I didn't really want to weigh in on this topic, but my god this has gotten ridiculous. First and foremost, everybody get a goddamned grip. I love story just as much as the next guy, but you know what, the story is just a portion of the game. If you boguht the game for the story and the story alone, ask yourself why you even bothered buying the game, and not just waiting for all the stuff to be documented online. Certainly seems a more intellgent course of action than spending 40/50 dollars on a game you're treating like a book. And if you didn't buy the game/pay for the game/support the game in any way other than reading and whining about it on the forums, then what grounds do you have to complain about what is or isn't in the game?

Secondarily, the plot in mortal kombat is not only suspect, but its the subject of constant inconsistency and constant retcon. In every game since its inception half of the endings don't come true, and those that do invariably get re-written two games later anyways. Anybody remember when Raiden and the other gods destroyed the world? Remember when it was Sub Zero and the Lin Kuei who killed Scorp's family? Remember when Johnny Cage died? Remember when Classic Sub Zero was an "unknown fighter from a previous mortal kombat tournament"? Remember when Kitana held a Shokan memorial for Goro? The point is, while MKA's plot is shallow and pendantic, its not like the Mortal Kombat saga is some rich consistent tapestry of clandestine information.

Lastly, stop playing the blame game like you're omnipotent. Unless you work for Midway, or know somebody who does, its pointless to say its Boon's fault, its Vogel's fault, its Beran's fault, it's whoeever's fault because you don't know, and odds are, it's probably none of theirs faults. Very rarely do the people who actually work on the game actually decide what gets in and what don't by release time. People who make games are generally very passionate about them, and usually want nothing more than to pack everything they possibly could want into them. Its usually the higher ups / publishers / people who don't really care about content just sales decision who bring down the axe on what they call 'superfluous' content.

And don't talk about the Tobias era like its some gold encrusted jewel, when its the same era that killed Johnny Cage three times, resurrected Scorpion three times, created 2 Sub Zeros, and created the now infamous Reiko / Kahn debate. In fact, there isn't a single shred of plot from MK3/UMK3/MKT that isn't absolutely retarded and wasn't either redone or disregarded when MK4 came about. I'm not saying Tobias didn't do good by the series, but his reign certainly wasn't any more golden or consistent than Vogel's, and bear in mind, things like new character designs and who comes back are rarely up to the story guys, the story guys are the ones who come in after the fact and have to paint a picture with whatever messes / masterpieces character designers and artists come up with. Case in point, Vogel hates Hsu Hao and yet, he's in the game right?

My point is this, Mortal Kombat Armageddon is more than just a series of letters and numbers written on the screen, so stop treating it like thats all that matters. Personally, I'm more than a little disapointed / distressed with the lack of bios (and coherent plot for that matter), but its not the sole reason this game (or any game in the series) was made. ALL of you will agree too, because no matter how good the story was, if the game was impossible to beat (MK2), or no fun to play (MK4), or didn't even fucking work (MKG) you would not sit there and say, "well, that stuff is all okay because the plot is great" now would you?

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10/17/2006 09:26 PM (UTC)
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I find it funny that people thinks it's no big deal that the storyline has gone to shit and it doesnt really matter because you still have online play and a cart game.

I wonder if Bungie could get away with this shit in Halo 3? Just totally screw the audience by not following any of the previous plots points, totally screwing it's fan base and...oh yeah...let's just contradict a bunch of stuff from the previous games just for fun. Then, just excuse it because "Hey, at least our game is pretty!"

And you do realize that this is it. There's no fixing it since this is the last. Apparently they just dont give a shit about the loyal followers of the series and would rather appeal to the knew audience a tweens just picking up the series.

Because lets face it, learning the resolution to characters I've loved for years isn't HALF as important to a good cart racing lap.

Sheeesh. I'd like to see any other game franchise try and get away with this.
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10/17/2006 09:56 PM (UTC)
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ReCeFaJo Wrote:
Wow! Who had that brilliant idea to not insert bios in the game?


The heads at the Midway office. Not the MK team.
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10/17/2006 10:27 PM (UTC)
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J8son Wrote:
I find it funny that people thinks it's no big deal that the storyline has gone to shit and it doesnt really matter because you still have online play and a cart game.

I wonder if Bungie could get away with this shit in Halo 3? Just totally screw the audience by not following any of the previous plots points, totally screwing it's fan base and...oh yeah...let's just contradict a bunch of stuff from the previous games just for fun. Then, just excuse it because "Hey, at least our game is pretty!"

And you do realize that this is it. There's no fixing it since this is the last. Apparently they just dont give a shit about the loyal followers of the series and would rather appeal to the knew audience a tweens just picking up the series.

Because lets face it, learning the resolution to characters I've loved for years isn't HALF as important to a good cart racing lap.

Sheeesh. I'd like to see any other game franchise try and get away with this.


Your halo analogy doesn't work because playing halo follows its plot to the letter, Mortal Kombat doesn't. If the plot was as pivotal to MK as it is to halo you wouldn't be allowed to execute fatalities on Sonya with Jax, Scorpion's fight ladder would consist of one opponent in every game, and you wouldn't actually be able to beat the game with anyone but liu kang.

Furthermore, ask that halo question to the people still playing halo 1 and 2 online and having a blast, hell, ask the people still playing quake 1, 2, 3 about it. Those games plots are all completely disjointed and irrelevant. Plots to games get raped all the time. Ask anyone who follows the Street Fighter series plot, or the Soul Calibur plot, or the Zelda plot, or the Mario plot, or the Ninja Gaiden plot. Namco fast forwarded Tekken 20 years between 2 and 3 abandoning half the cast with no explanation, only to bring ALL of them back in T5 with no better explanation than everybody was hurt, or nobody felt like fighting for a couple years. And don't even get a King of Fighters plot fan started on if Geese Howard is alive or dead.

To the people upstairs (the people with all the money and therefore final say), gameplay is more important than plot in a fighting game, and truth be told, they're right. If the design guys say 62 characters, but there's no time to write or reason 62 plots, guess what's gonna give? Long after the plot wears out people are still playing the game for the gameplay. People aren't still playing Mortal Kombat 2 because they want to know if Liu Kang beats Shao Kahn. Hell, people aren't still playing Deception because they want to know if Mileena kills Baraka or the other way around. And like I said, the MK plot is perhaps the most randomly retconned and disjointed of them all. Like someone said earlier, and easy and perfectly sensible plot would be the Elder Gods just decided to bring everyone back and bring them to the exact same place so they could wipe them all out once and for all. How is that any different than Shao Kahn creating a clone, Liu Kang becoming a zombie, Raiden 'sacrificing himself' and still coming back ten minutes later, Goro using a random shokan in his place or any of the other half assed cop-outs used to bring people back?

That said, this is nowhere near the end of the road. So we got screwed out of plot this time around, Mortal Kombat will be back in a year or two and who knows what they'll say. Maybe they'll take it in a completely different direction like MKD, maybe they'll just ignore what little happens in MKA, like they did with MKDA. Maybe they'll pretend like its all wrong and pretend it never happened like MKSM. We've already established that the plot writing guy is displeased with the way it went down, so its not like no one cares.

... and there is you know, the entire rest of the game to play with.

-F.
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