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SubMan799
06/11/2006 06:59 AM (UTC)
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Jax is one of the best characters ever. Well, gameplay wise. Right now he'd be more popular than Sonya, but he was cut out of MK1 because they wanted to have a female fighter. Jax has an arsenal of moves on his side. Some of my favorites are "Gotcha," one of the best grab move ever (technacally it's a special, but who cares, it's close enough to a grab) his missles, and his wave move in MK2, the best throw in the game, where he picks you up and starts slamming you to the ground, and of course, my personal favorite, the Ground Pound! His fatalities are stupid though. The only good one was when he turned into a giant, and killed the enemy.


His story is pretty good. In MK2 he's the one who went into Outworld, and saved Kano and Sonya. Well, he tried tp capture Kano, but he still escaped with his life intact. MK3 he was just there. MK4 same as 3. MKDA.......same as 3. His story was pretty much ruined........UNTIL MKD Unchained comes out. His ending showed him go crazy. And it showed that he was stronger then everyone else there! He killed Onaga in his ending! Yeah, it's gonna end up non-canon, but still it has to mean something right?

In MKA he must be the one to kill Kabal, and the rest of the New Black Dragon. If Kano or Mavado, or even Sonya kill them, I'll go crazy! Leave Movado to Kano, and leave Kano to Sonya. I can't wait to see what he makes of himself gameplaywise in MKA!
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Keith
06/11/2006 10:33 AM (UTC)
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No, Sonya replaced Stryker for MK1. Not Jax.
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SubMan799
06/11/2006 10:35 AM (UTC)
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Keith Wrote:
No, Sonya replaced Stryker for MK1. Not Jax.
Are you sure? I thought it was Jax. I've heard that from many users
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06/11/2006 12:45 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Keith Wrote:
No, Sonya replaced Stryker for MK1. Not Jax.
Are you sure? I thought it was Jax. I've heard that from many users


Well the character's name was definitley Stryker. I'm not sure about the actual concept of a white cop. They could have been meaning to put Jax in only he wasn't called Jax he was called Styker.
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06/11/2006 05:51 PM (UTC)
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Jax's original name was Kurtis Stryker; the MK1 fighter that was replaced by Sonya was meant to be a black male named Kurtis Stryker, who was then put into MK2, but the name was changed to Jax. Complicated, ey?
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06/12/2006 07:57 AM (UTC)
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Jerrod Wrote:
Jax's original name was Kurtis Stryker; the MK1 fighter that was replaced by Sonya was meant to be a black male named Kurtis Stryker, who was then put into MK2, but the name was changed to Jax. Complicated, ey?
Not really. But his name was gonna be Kurtis Stryker? Jax's name is one of the best in MK imo.
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Keith
06/12/2006 04:41 PM (UTC)
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SubMan799 Wrote:
Jerrod Wrote:
Jax's original name was Kurtis Stryker; the MK1 fighter that was replaced by Sonya was meant to be a black male named Kurtis Stryker, who was then put into MK2, but the name was changed to Jax. Complicated, ey?
Not really. But his name was gonna be Kurtis Stryker? Jax's name is one of the best in MK imo.


All I can say is thank god for Sonya. MK with Jax and Stryker and no Sonya is a scary thought. wow
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Hikari715
06/12/2006 08:32 PM (UTC)
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Keith Wrote:
SubMan799 Wrote:
Jerrod Wrote:
Jax's original name was Kurtis Stryker; the MK1 fighter that was replaced by Sonya was meant to be a black male named Kurtis Stryker, who was then put into MK2, but the name was changed to Jax. Complicated, ey?
Not really. But his name was gonna be Kurtis Stryker? Jax's name is one of the best in MK imo.


All I can say is thank god for Sonya. MK with Jax and Stryker and no Sonya is a scary thought. wow

haha true. *shivers at the thought of no Sonya*
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dimpthepimp
06/13/2006 02:50 PM (UTC)
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give me dragon pointsfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious
NO.I already told you to stop spamming, and if you keep this up, you're gone; either post something that's worth rating, or get out. -Jerrod
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Legacy
06/13/2006 04:29 PM (UTC)
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For what? You didn't post anything about Jax. And demanding them is just gonna get you skull points, not dragon.
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06/13/2006 05:19 PM (UTC)
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dimpthepimp Wrote:
give me dragon pointsfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious


... noob.

Anyway, I've already said my piece about Jax, but I also wanted to say that I fell that his weapon style (Tonfa) needs improvement. I like Muay Thai as his hand-to-hand style, but if they're going to give him Tonfa again it needs to be quicker and has to have better combos.

As for his ending, like I said above, he won't return IMO, but he doesn't necessarily HAVE to die.
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06/13/2006 08:31 PM (UTC)
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dimpthepimp Wrote:
give me dragon pointsfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious

You won't get any since you are not posting anything relevent to the topic.

I never liked Jax that much though his moves were fine. His storyline was ok. IMO, he has a very high chance to die. He should be killed by Kano. Sonya soon reacts and the Black Dragon clan leader is finished afterwards. In MKA, Jax should kill Hsu Hao as seen in his MKDA ending and should die.
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Sub-Zero_7th
06/13/2006 09:22 PM (UTC)
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m0s3pH Wrote:
dimpthepimp Wrote:
give me dragon pointsfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious


... noob.

Anyway, I've already said my piece about Jax, but I also wanted to say that I fell that his weapon style (Tonfa) needs improvement. I like Muay Thai as his hand-to-hand style, but if they're going to give him Tonfa again it needs to be quicker and has to have better combos.

As for his ending, like I said above, he won't return IMO, but he doesn't necessarily HAVE to die.


With Stryker having the Nightsticks and its movesets being based off of the Tonfa's, I would rather see Jax use the Mae Sun Sowks, the Thai equivalent to the Tonfa.

As for Muay Thai, it doesn't really suit him that well. I honestly think Muay Boran suits him better. I guess it's all a matter of what moves from Muay Thai/Muay Boran are given to him. I personally think it'd be better to see him using the more closer-ranged moves with more of punching, elbowing, and kneeing with only a few kicks.
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shemarx
06/13/2006 09:57 PM (UTC)
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Get rid of the Tonfa and let Strkyer keep them.

Jax doesn't need a weapon at all. His arms are made of metal for God's sake.

Just improve Muay Thai and Judo and let him keep them as his fighting styles.
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06/13/2006 10:20 PM (UTC)
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shemarx Wrote:
Get rid of the Tonfa and let Strkyer keep them.

Jax doesn't need a weapon at all. His arms are made of metal for God's sake.

Just improve Muay Thai and Judo and let him keep them as his fighting styles.


Kodokan Judo wouldn't work well in an MK game since it uses grappling moves with some strikes taught at higher levels. Even with the strikes, it wouldn't work well.

As for Muay Thai, it all depends on the moves from Muay Thai that would be given to him. Imo, more on punches, knees, and elbows and less on kicks would work for him.
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06/15/2006 05:34 AM (UTC)
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Hmmm this just crossed my mind... we can make a combination lets say between a fighting and weapon style using his arms, Kinetic Kombat style or just Kinetic style should be the style's name. Jax overpowers his unoriginal bionic arms and he delivers power fists to the opponent, this style shouldn't have too intricate legwork just some very basic kicks and rampaging punches. Most punches should have a pretty powerfull knockback some of them even in the air so they can be used for air-combos or powerful finishing blows. This also integrates nicely with some possible fatality moves and his ground pounds trademark move.
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06/15/2006 05:59 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
shemarx Wrote:
Get rid of the Tonfa and let Strkyer keep them.

Jax doesn't need a weapon at all. His arms are made of metal for God's sake.

Just improve Muay Thai and Judo and let him keep them as his fighting styles.


Kodokan Judo wouldn't work well in an MK game since it uses grappling moves with some strikes taught at higher levels. Even with the strikes, it wouldn't work well.

As for Muay Thai, it all depends on the moves from Muay Thai that would be given to him. Imo, more on punches, knees, and elbows and less on kicks would work for him.


You're right about Judo. I didn't think the style fit well with the game; it was very awkward. Still, I think Jax will keep Judo, if only for simplicity. I doubt they'd go through the trouble of creating an all new style for him. I'm assuming that for the old characters, they're just going to reuse their previous styles. Therefore, Jax would still end up with Judo.
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06/15/2006 11:01 AM (UTC)
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shemarx Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
shemarx Wrote:
Get rid of the Tonfa and let Strkyer keep them.

Jax doesn't need a weapon at all. His arms are made of metal for God's sake.

Just improve Muay Thai and Judo and let him keep them as his fighting styles.


Kodokan Judo wouldn't work well in an MK game since it uses grappling moves with some strikes taught at higher levels. Even with the strikes, it wouldn't work well.

As for Muay Thai, it all depends on the moves from Muay Thai that would be given to him. Imo, more on punches, knees, and elbows and less on kicks would work for him.


You're right about Judo. I didn't think the style fit well with the game; it was very awkward. Still, I think Jax will keep Judo, if only for simplicity. I doubt they'd go through the trouble of creating an all new style for him. I'm assuming that for the old characters, they're just going to reuse their previous styles. Therefore, Jax would still end up with Judo.


But what about Muay Thai? Wouldn't he have a high chance of using that style? If he's going to have Judo, his throw should be a throw from Judo instead of having Judo as one of his styles.
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06/16/2006 08:36 PM (UTC)
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Why not just give him Wrestling then? Or Aikido? Doesn't Aikido utilize many throwing techniques?
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06/16/2006 11:11 PM (UTC)
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Why not just give him Wrestling then? Or Aikido? Doesn't Aikido utilize many throwing techniques?


I don't think he should incorporate Wrestling moves and certainly not Aikido. Aikido is very defensive, circular, and soft. I'm sure that Muay Thai does use some throws so if he were to have Muay Thai, perhaps he should simply have a Muay Thai throw.
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Sorry about the late update, although the Jax discussion was pretty good. I should’ve participated, but meh, I’ll do it when we recap on the MK2 characters. Onwards, to Baraka! grin
Baraka was the first mutant nomad to be presented in Mortal Kombat (now called a Tarkata, a hybrid of Outworld peoples and Netherealm demons). He was the one who led the attack against the Shaolin Temples, a terrible blow to Liu Kang, and a perfect incentive to lure him into Outworld for a second tournament. Baraka is considered to be a berserker, in that he is extremely unpredictable at this time, and seems to enjoy tearing people to shreds (if I had claws and teeth that big, I’d do it all with a smile too. wink). Mileena’s ending also stated that she and Baraka were partners, and even a hinted romance was there, since they became king and queen of Outworld in her ending. Fun Fact: this is the only romance to have not been inspired from the movies (Liu Kang and Kitana, Johnny Cage and Sonya); ironically, it’s also the only one not mentioned in the movies. Obviously, he and Mileena don’t defeat Shao Kahn and take over Outworld.
In MK Trilogy, Baraka is still a part of Shao Kahn’s forces, having just defeated a renegade race in Outworld's lower regions. He didn’t do much else, other than apparently fighting Kung Lao and being attacked by his hat (this is mentioned in the MK: D Krypt), but other than that, nothing happened for him in the MK3 saga.
While wandering around the realms, Baraka gets an offer from Quan Chi to rule Edenia at his side if he helps defeat Shinnok and everyone else Quan Chi needs dead; being the eager psycho he is, Baraka decides to accept the offer. I find Baraka’s role here to be debatable, as we don’t know if he was just a “secret weapon” to spring on an unsuspecting Shinnok, or if he was a full-fledged member of the Brotherhood of the Shadow and helped fight against the Earthrealm/Edenian fighters. In any case, he still didn’t accomplish anything in this game other than play servant.
Although he did not appear in MK: Deadly Alliance, Baraka’s MK: Deception biography implies that he served the Deadly Alliance members, since he never followed Shang Tsung in the previous games (he took orders from Shao Kahn, without any implication that Shang Tsung had seniority over him). After Raiden self-destructs and takes out the Deadly Alliance, though, Baraka and his Tarkata Horde ally with Onaga and they, along with orders from Mileena, lead Bo’ Rai Cho away from Onaga, allowing Onaga time to merge the Kamidogu. When Mileena’s men actually defeat Baraka’s army, he believes her to be a traitor. It’s possible that he will kill her in the next game, or that Mileena will kill him, but we still have a few months to find out.
Now, what could Baraka’s future hold? I actually want him to stay because it seems as though his character has actually evolved from the nutcase he used to be. While in MK2, he was more interested than fighting anybody (considering in his ending, he killed Shang, Kintaro, and Shao just because he got too caught-up in fighting), but as one can see in MK: D, he uses strategy and deception to trick his enemies (he used a decoy to handle Mileena, then killed her when she thought she had won). Baraka’s character is a lot smarter than we give him credit for, although it’s a shame that he remains as the lowly henchmen of whoever the boss of a game is. I think it’s about time that he became a true leader of his people and they become independent of the weekly ruler of Outworld.
Quotes from tgrant about Baraka: I love him as a character. We have learnt a bit about him, but most just see him as the henchman sadly. He's one of those that needs to become independent. Baraka in MK relies on a higher power being in command; that's lame.
The eerie part is that Baraka says in his biography that “When my master's will is done, they will all be consumed!” Could this imply that he and the Tarkata know that he plans on merging the realms again? If that’s true, then he may know more about Onaga than the other bad guys in the series. Maybe in the next game, he'll become a much more calculating killer... At least that's what I'm hoping for. grin
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06/18/2006 04:06 PM (UTC)
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Awesome post, jerrod and thanks for quoting me.

I've not contributed to this thread for awhile sadly. But I'll say this about Baraka.

I want him to stay and fuck shit up! grin
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shemarx
06/18/2006 05:06 PM (UTC)
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Baraka is terrible. His story has not evolved one bit since he first appeared. All he has been is the main villain's servant. He is a continuous, spineless failure.

That said, I think it's time the bastard died for good. Rather then go the expected route and have Mileena be the one to finish him, I'd like to see the rest of the Tarkatans rebel against him. I'm sure after years of Baraka's weak leadership, his men have finally had enough. Kill the bastard.

If need be, he can be replaced by a new, younger Tarkatan (The one that eventually kills him), who will hopefully be more interesting, unique, and relevant to the storyline.

(I also think Reiko could kill Baraka, but I'll get to that when it's Reiko's time)
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Keith
06/18/2006 05:11 PM (UTC)
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Well, Baraka is a character I like/liked.

MKD sort of put a damper on things. For one although is outfit kicked ace he was really wrinkly and I don't like that. He looks cooler in MKG with the smooth head anyway thats not the point of this thread so I won't ramble.

Storwise Baraka has been the lackey. Hes also naive, he believes that Onaga will grant the Tarkatans immense power while characters like Mileena and Tanya are aware he'll do no such thing and are using Onaga as much as hes using them. Its been said that Tarkatans are not dumb but they seem to be idiots.

If Baraka harms a single hair on Mileena's sexilicious head I shall be ever so pissed. Saying that I'm not sure I want her to kill him. It's not Mileena's fault that Bo' Rai Cho's forces beat Baraka. His army must've just sucked. I think the relationship between Baraka and Mileena needs to end and they need to go their seperate ways. But both should come back for MK8.
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06/18/2006 05:21 PM (UTC)
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Well, Baraka isn't that bad. I like his moves but his storyline is boring. He is always working for the main boss.

In MK:A, I don't think it will be different. If Onaga's plans with the kamidogu failed, Baraka will probably start to work for Blaze.

His ending in MK:D suggests that Mileena betrayed him and I thik that he will try to get revenge on her. Their relation shoul be more developed in this game.

I don't know why, but I guess this is his last game. His attempt to kill Mileena will backfire and she will end up killing him. I don't think Baraka should kill Mileena. If she had to be killed, Kitana should do this.

But if I'm wrong and MK:A isn't his last game, I hope they improve his storyline.
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