Why can't... Example: Jax use Karate? You say something like, its because of his body mass and that he is more suited for Wrestling or whever chinese art that big guys use.

The worst analogy. Wrestling is independant of frame. Dig this first of how can a massive body perform certain techniques, and see how the thin guy can pull off moves. Slowed for understanding.

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Okay i'll narrow down to this! Why can't Jax use karate?

If not about realism, then its mostly coming from one's opinion of what works and what doesn't.

I just happen to be stating mine! "opinion" just not discriptive like what Sub-zero 7th the wanted.

PS cool videos by the way!

jax isn't meant to be fast, he's meant to be slow and powerful Like a brawler.

Yeah, more stupid misconceptions about combat to come. ..

Strenght and size do NOT, I repeat do not sdlow down anyone. He may not be hasty, but not slowed down.

Mass effects speed.

I'm more about logic when it comes to these things. For Noob to use a stance like the one for Shinto Ryu would be rather silly. I see him using something more mobile. For Tae Kwon Do, I don't see him focusing a lot on kicks.

As for why Jax can't have Karate, Karate is a broad term for various martial arts like Wado Ryu, Shorin Ryu, Shotokan, etc. There are many different Wrestling styles like Greco-Roman, Shuai Chiao, Sumo, etc. So you really have to specify yourself.

Sorry Sub-Zero the 7th!

But this whole logic thing make me think your being bias!

I wish you could tell me exactly why?

Are you baseing it off of... "Race? Country? Personality? What?"

Why can't a person from Hong Kong use karate? Theres the internet and the books.

I know for a fact that Koreans LOVE Street Fighter! A game that Japanese people made.

So why isn't it possible for a Korean to learn Sumo?, could Koreans still be mad at the Japanese after almost century?

"The only thing i know is, that the Koreans hate are the Samurais. But i doubt that they could hate the japanese people or anything else related."

Its like us american hating Nazi's!

But that doesn't mean we hate the germans. They make good beer and we drink it.

So i know that can't be the reason

Why is it that Cyrax has Somba and Darrius has Cheeta? Why can't Sonya have Cheeta or Somba. "Please tell me its not sterotype?"

So if not race? Personality?!
So a person with good morals can't use Snake? Because it suit evil characters better? "I sence another sterotype."

Country? Thats aloud of $h*t, if fighting styles were restrict. There would be no Johnny Cage or Chuck Norris.

I just wants answers! Enlighten me!

For me, it has to do with the martial art itself, namely what type of people it's designed for, what types of techniques it uses and/or emphasizes, things like that.

Cyrax is using Sambo and Darrius is using Leopard. I think those styles fit them though I'd like to see Darrius use Keysi while Nitara gets Leopard again.

It doesn't have much to do with race. For personality, it depends on who you are talking about.

For Kano, yes. Kano is a brutal, nasty, power-hungry, backstabbing thug. For him to use something like Aikido, which is designed to be defense and pretty much non-violent, makes NO sense for him at all.

It makes sense for him to use a martial art like Pangamut, because it is a street-based, survival oriented martial art with simple, brutal tactics and uses moves like groin punching, headbutting, biting, gouging, etc.

A good person can use Snake. You're forgetting that Shang Tsung absorbed the knowledge of Snake Kung Fu from the soul of a Shaolin warrior monk.

With that kind of thought, you'd think Dragon style Kung Fu is evil also since in the West, the Dragon is seen as an evil beast.

Jun Fan fits Liu Kang, because Jun Fan is the martial art Bruce Lee created, and Liu Kang is the Bruce Lee of MK>

Shotokan fits Johnny Cage, because Johnny Cage is based off of Jean Claude Van Damme, a practicioner of Shotokan.

Ninjutsu (more accurately, Ninpo Taijutsu) fits Scorpion, because Scorpion is the only MK character from a Japanese Ninja clan, the Shirai Ryu. Also, the founder of the Shirai Ryu was the founder of Ninjutsu. So for Scorpion to use the fighting style of his clan makes perfect sense.

I never said things like it was impossible for a Korean to learn Sumo or for a person from Hong Kong to learn Karate. Btw, books and the internet can only do so much. It'd be better to just learn from an actual teacher.

You have to keep in mind that certain martial arts are designed for certain body types. Chang Chuan is designed for taller, longer-limbed people such as myself while Nan Chuan is designed for shorter, stockier people.

Martial arts like Tai Chi Chuan and Pi Gua Zhang are designed for people who aren't that strong in the upper body. Martial arts like Lohan Chuan and Stone Monkey, however, are designed for those strong in the upper body.

A martial artist's body type can determine what style he/she uses. Of course, it's not that easy to tell, but there are certain characteristics here and there.

I already stated my reasons for why I think Noob Saibot should use Tall Monkey. Can you at least see where I'm coming from with those reasons?

I'm not saying that there's only 1 particular style that only fits that character or anything like that. For example, I think either Shotokan or Gosoku Ryu, both of which are Japanese Karate styles, would fit Johnny Cage.

The problem behind some of your choices is that you just seem to slap on this style to this character without really giving thought to what the character is like and what the fighting style is like. Without putting some basis of logic behind your choices, I can't see where you're coming from. It's not like it was to be some big, complex explanation or anything like that. It's just that you should give it some thought.

So your baseing it off of characteristics and body type!?

Like i said several times over, i'm not martial arts expert like you or Chrome. I don't know what the styles were meant for!

I'm baseing it strictly on my opinion.

I like the character and i like that fighting style.

So in my opinion, i think thats a good combo dispite what others think!

If i desided to presue sumo or wrestling, even though i'm only 5'7 and and weight 190? Even though i'm suppose to weight 170. "If you can see Jack Black, you'll can see me!" What would you say to that?

Even though this style won't benefit me against a regular Sumo, its could benefit me agaist someone with the same body type or lighter.

I still think its wrong to say thats Jax can't have karate because it doesn't fit him simply because he doesn't have the characteristic or body type for it.

So like if someone offered to teach you wrestling, would you turn him down saying "Its not me!"?

But how do you know, that some of these skills won't benefit you else were in the long run?

In the end, its all a matter of opinion! Big or Small!

"Yeah i apologies for sounding like a jerk!"

I'm not expecting you to understand why! Just know that it my opinion!

I can't speak for Chrome, but like I've said times in the past, I'm no martial arts expert. You don't really need to be one to understand. It just requires a good enough of knowing the different styles. Yes, body type and characteristics of the style and the person are important things that I base my choices off of.

If you're trying to pursue Sumo, it'd probably be quite difficult to find the more ancient version, especially since Sumo is considered by many Japanese as a modern martial art despite its history going back long ago. You'd more likely find the sport version of Sumo than the more martial art version of Sumo. I'm pretty sure there are weight divisions in Sumo like there are in MMA, though I'm not sure if there'd be a weight division for people that weight the amount you do.

As for Karate and Wrestling, there are different Karate and Wrestling styles. Karate is a broad term for a particular group of martial arts styles, namely Shorin Ryu, Shotokan, Kyokushin, Goju Ryu, etc. I didn't say that none of the Karate styles would fit Jax. I personally like him better with Muay Boran. If he were to have a Karate style, it'd probably have to be something that suits his needs, namely techniques that specialize in the usage of brute strength. He's very muscular so he'd excel in techniques that use such force.

So yeah, I could see Jax with a particular Karate style. However, something like Tai Chi Chuan wouldn't fit him. It's not meant for people like him, who favor the usage of brute strength. That's not a military-friendly art anyway since it requires a long time to really know how to use, but arts like that have a greater amount of potential in the long run.

As for Wrestling, there's Shuai Chiao, Greco-Roman, Freestyle, etc. etc. Please specify what kind of wrestling you're referring to.

The very wrestling/grappling oriented styles like Shuai Chiao, Kodokan Judo, and Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu can be used by physically weaker people such as myself. I wouldn't give up the opportunity for good wrestling lessons though some particular forms of wrestling would suit me better than others namely because of my body type and things like that.

Whether that particular wrestling style is for me or not all depends on learning the techniques first, getting to understand them, and making my own personal judgement about what works for me and what doesn't.

You're reasoning behind your choices is because you like the character and that particular style for them, that's it. So basically, as I said before, you just slap on any choice for them without much or any thought. I know it's your opinion and all, but that doesn't mean I agree with it.

I know you're not aware of what the various martial arts are about, but to have a bit of an idea helps.

im hopin for Dragon for NOOB, i dunno y so dont ask

Even though i can't grasp all of your concepts! I can know where your coming.

I'm not here to get you to agree with me "I never did", its just this he can't have style business, that annoys me.

Thats where the bias feeling is coming from.

people on this board seem to always just pick a fighting style that "looks cool and has good combos" and pin it to their favorite character.. mortal kombat has become such a good series because of the real fighting styles the characters use.. if you're going to have real fighting styles, than you can't give one character a fighting style that he would most likely never learn/use.. if that was the case, then we might as well have made up styles for everyone.. monkey fits noob perfectly... yes, it needs some re-tuning gameplay wise.. but all around noob is the best character to have monkey style gung fu.. it's been said already, but noob was a lin kuei.. a clan of chinese assassins.. monkey style fits noob just as dragon fits sub-zero.. monkey is probably one of the most intricate, deadly, and underestimated style of all the shaolin styles.. it's attacks are fast, its defensive techniques are next to un-matched within the five animals and it requires great agility, balance and perception to master. like sub-zero 7th said.. there are many different forms of monkey.. wooden monkey, is a ferocious monkey.. a monkey that likes to trap and strike, or strike the vital points of the body extremely precisely. the natural stance for wooden monkey is one like noob had in mk:d..this is good for noob. also, as was mention previously.. tall monkey.. tall monkey use pressure points and allowas the monkey(in this case noob) to climb the opponents body and strike at the limbs and vital areas when given the oppurtunity. it's also a long ranged form of monkey style and makes good use of the monkey fist hand formation...


no japanese or korean style makes any sense for noob to use. it's not realistic. and if you're going to throw out the realism in this sense, get rid of it all the way..

To Ed Boon

Please don't tamper with the black texture Noob Saibot! Or i'll be really pissed! I don't care if you change the color of the human Noob Saibot! But leave the black wrath alone!

This comment is base off the new cast render!

I quote again! "Do not take away Noob Saibot blackness!"

i agree with Vasculio they should not take noob's blackness away with out his blackness he is not noob evryone thinks of in as a black ninja

NOOB'S BLACKNESS SHOULD BE KEPT!!!!

ITS PLAIN AND SIMPLE OMG!

That first picture on the first page, the one on the far right should be his costume! its all black and its a modern look of his Umk3/mk trilogy look! Man if they would keep Noob Saibot looking like a black ninja and not some other horrible costume like they gave rain id be so happy. But I was disappointed with how human smoke and noobsaibot looked in MKD, both NOOB AND SMOKE NEED TO LOOK LIKE HUMAN NINJAS PERIOD!

i really hope that noob is not with smoke as a team i want them to be seprate

NOOB-SAIBOT

story:his story is well co-ordinated I mean he is one of the best in mortal kombat if Sub-Zero does die Saibot could be the one to cause his deathand if you can kill Subby which he has done already but his story with Smoke isnt going anywhere im just glad they separated Smoke is better of to Noobs future story line potential could be all the evil sucks out of him and yet again he becomes the origanal Sub-Zero.


appearence:the fact he were pitch black in the earlier games really made me intriegued it showed me that he was pure and simple evil and he hasnt had any difficulty proving it because he didnt just earn his spot in the netherrealm he actually decided to stay there now that is pretty amazing plus he hasnt died yet.


overall:Good look getting more of a ninja look now but regardless his story line is going somewhere and he has potential to be the most evil character since quan-chi

Okay, it looks like Noob Saibot is getting the Monkey style again.

Lets talk about Monkey style!

What kind've combos can be preform by this style? Chrome and Sub-Zero the 7th. Feel free to enlighten me.

If i am to play this character, i don't want to be limited to combos. So Ed! Don't half*** him.


Variation of Monkey Style
Maybe they can throw in differnet versions to make it more interesting.

I like what i see out of these three styles. I think combining these three forms can spawn something pretty good.

Stone Monkey Kung Fu style is a "physical" style. The practitioner trains up his body to exchange blows with the opponent - Stone Monkey uses the monkey's Iron body method. It will leave an area exposed on its body for you to attack, so it can attack a more vital spot on your body.

Standing or Tall Monkey Kung Fu style is a relatively conventional monkey that likes to keep an upright position and avoid tumbling around. This style is more suited for tall people. Tall monkey likes to climb body limbs to make attacks at pressure points. It is a long range style.

Wooden Monkey Kung Fu style is a serious, angry monkey that attacks and defends with ferocity. The attitude of this monkey is more serious, and its movements are noticeably less light than the other monkeys. Wood monkey likes to grapple and bring its opponent to the ground.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_Kung_Fu

Heres another link to learn more.

http://www.martialinfo.com/websites/monkeykungfu/menu.htm

About Punches
Is there an alturnate form to the punches? Really!

About Stances
What does the Tall Monkey stance look like?
"Unfortunately Ed went with the MKDeception stance, that i so much despise!"

About Combos
Noob Saibot has only two short combos, hopefully Carlos and Ed will fixed this.

About the Name
I'm hoping next to having more combos, is the return of his full name! Noob Saibot. Not Noob! Feel free to agree with me on this part!
I don't want Ed screwing over my favorite character of all time.
Noob Saibot is part of Tabias creation. I want Saibot back!!!

About Special Moves

DarkEnergyBall or Shuriken? I wanted a DarkEnergyBall more! But the verus screen hint that Noob Saibot uses Shurikens

Air DarkEnergyBall or Air Shuriken? My opinion is the same as above. Because we know that Reiko adapted the Shuriken special moves.

Shadow Throw: I love using this attack.

Teleport Slam: I'm okay with it returning, as long its not model after the Trilogy version. Which made him look like an *** Monkey

I have to say no to the Disableler.

We're one month away! So feel free to comment while there still time.

1. noob is supposed to be a wraith, correct? Isn't that something like a grim reaper/demon? When i see the word wraith, i think of the LOTR ringwraiths. He should be all black, with no skin showing, and the scythe makes him look more menacing. I'm not sure if i'd give him a hood with a skull face though. giving him a martial arts sword makes him look like a generic japanese ninja. there's already others who have swords, so a scythe would fit him perfectly.

2. i don't care about his fighting style as long as he has good special moves. i wish they'd put him back to how he was in mkT. he was awesome, and he had what could have been a ''signature'' projectile move. noob has been shit since then. At least he's not a tag team with smoke anymore. Thank god!

Fighting Style: I'm thinking he should use Tall Monkey, which I've mentioned before. I'm not sure what the stances of the different forms of Monkey Fist look like, but a Tall Monkey practicioner is supposed to be standing upright and be kind of simple as opposed to be more playful like Drunken Monkey. I will say that it will most likely NOT be the same stance he had in MKD, so you'd probably be glad about that.

Since he's a tall, long-limbed person, Noob Saibot should benefit from this style, especially due to its use of attacks to pressure points. I think it'd be a good, balanced style for him. Stone Monkey is for people big on external power and Wooden Monkey is for the very aggressive ones.

Punches/Strikes: I don't know. I wish I had the info on what the strikes look like and all.

Combos: He has 4 combos as far as I remember. They are the following:

1, 1, CS (high, high, mid)
2, 1, 1, CS (high, high, high, mid)
2, 4 (high, mid)
2, 1, 3 (high, high, high)

I do agree with you though that he needs more combos. Perhaps having some combos with low hits in them would help.

Name: I agree with you that his whole name of Noob Saibot should be displayed.

Special Moves

Dark Energy Ball or Shuriken: Was the Dark Energy Ball one of his special moves from MK4/MKG or something? I'm not sure if he should have either one.

Shadow Throw/Clone Throw: Yeah, I think he should have it back. They'll probably have to slow it down somehow or make the startup telegraphic enough. It should probably hit high.

Teleport Slam: Well, I want his Teleport Slam to look different from Reiko's Shadow Grab at least. What could work is that Noob does the same animation that Reiko does to teleport and then when he grabs the opponent, he kind of rotates his/her body a bit before slamming him/her. The Teleport Slam will still hit high, and I suppose it should still allow for juggle hits.

Disabler/No Block Ball/Shadow Cloud: I wouldn't mind if he had it, as long as it hit high and the startup were telegraphic enough.
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I'm thinking that perhaps he can have a move called Shadow Clone, which would be like Sub-Zero's Ice Clone, but have a slower start up and would have the effects of his Disabler move.

For another special move idea, he could have Darkness again, but instead of him turning invisible, it does that pitch black effect for the whole screen for a few seconds. It sounds like a bit of a risky move, but it would be kind of interesting to see.
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I guess that's about it.

I mix feelings about the Darkness Shadow move your talking about.

It would have to be limited to like 20 to 30 seconds. Because the blackout sceen can be kinda annoying. But at the same time it add 50/50 who smacks who, kinda fun.

The Shadow Clone Disabler idea could worked. Its should only freeze a person about the same lenght of time as Subzero specials.

A shooting a diabler move however is a bad idea! And Trilogy prove that.

("I will say that it will most likely NOT be the same stance he had in MKD, so you'd probably be glad about that.")

To bad the Armageddon Noob Saibot has that stance still. If Carlos had excuted that style better or knew Tall Monkey, i probly wouldve had a different opinion.

Thanks Carlos for making my favorite character of all time look stupid.

It's not a grim reaper. It's something like a ghost. He and Scorpion are similar. Look it up and see for yourself if you don't believe me....

Well, the Darkness move doesn't have to be put in. It's not like he needs it anyway. 20-30 seconds is a bit too long, imo.

For Shadow Clone, yeah, agreed.

For the disabler move, I don't think it's a bad idea as long as they balance it out. In MKT, that move was broke due to it being fast and all. So if they were to slow down the start-up and make it hit high, it'd be more balanced out, don't you think?

Agreed about the stance; it's too bad really; Oh well...I guess if he at least gets more moves, combos and things like that, that'll be good enough for this game. But still, would've liked him specificially with Tall Monkey as the stance would be stable and upright with the moves being precise and deadly.