Who agrees with me that Midway did a crossover because MK couldnt create more original characters?
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So, ever from 1992 till 2006, MK had produced it all, introducing combatants, special abilities and styles in a large and multicoloured span to satisfy all kinds of gamers, from senseless button-mashers and monster-size-kombatant exploiters to artistic and myth-thirsty players, dreamers if you will, who found their favorites in undead queens, avenging ninjas, envious chief protagonists, cunning sorcerers, etc.

If you desired ninjas, at your disposal were Scorpion, Sub Zero, Reptile, Rain, Ermac, Noob, Smoke...

If you desired, female ninjas, -II- Mileena, Jade, Kitana and Khameleon.

If you desired cyborgs, you had Sektor, Cyrax and Smoke.

If you desired sorcerers, you had Shang Tsung and Quan Chi.

If you desired gods, you had Fujin, Raiden, and Shinnok.

If you desired hideous infernal torturers, you had Moloch and Drahmin...

If you desired snivelling yesmen with an unbearable look, you had Hsu Hao, Baraka, ...

If you desired a prince on a white horse and his damsel, you had Liu Kang and Kitana.

If you desired a Native American warrior, you had Nightwolf.

If you desired a giant humanoid, you had Goro, KIntaro...

If you desired pointless space-fillers, whom Midway hadn't wanted to put totally down by not introducing them at all, you had Mokap, Meat, Darrius...


blahblahblah...

To cut the long short, whichever character MK would make from now on after the pretty vast supply of them would seem odd, unoriginal and unnecessary. Whatever the grand idea there were, Midway had already used them all and exploited even the existing renowned characters to create their minor copies.

Therefore, it is more than refreshing to start expanding the circle of choosable kombatants on other spheres, like DC in this case. Hopefully, in the next franchise it may be Soul Calibur, or Tekken.
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05/08/2008 12:55 AM (UTC)
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I highly doubt that they did a crossover game because they couldn't think of more "original" characters. No offense, but this one has to be the dumbest rant I've heard so far.

CHEERS!grin
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05/08/2008 01:01 AM (UTC)
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No offense. I'm definitely not trying to be rude. However, this is what the Rant thread is for. I'm new to the forums, but that much is pretty clear.
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05/08/2008 01:05 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Frost055 Wrote:
I highly doubt that they did a crossover game because they couldn't think of more "original" characters. No offense, but this one has to be the dumbest rant I've heard so far.

CHEERS!grin


I second that. I'd also like to add that a lot of characters from the earlier MK games didn't have much originality and only a certain fraction of them have developed into something much more. I think several of the new characters from the Vogel era are better than the likes of several characters from the Tobias era, and if the MK team stick the dark, mystical, magical, and mythological themes and really try to think of interesting dynamics, they can still produce characters.
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05/08/2008 01:05 AM (UTC)
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Actually, the MK team have already confirmed they were working on MK8 for many months before DC approached them for the potential crossover. Boon even released some of their conceptual work for new characters, including this bio...


Lie, lies, and tiny little eyes:
Deaf Ninja! (Good/Earthrealm)

Deaf Ninja was once a super stealthy ninja who was tricked by Meat into releasing the souls of the tomb of James, Earl of Jones! The roaring winds of the bassy souls deafened Deaf Ninja making him Deaf Ninja! As a ninja he was now Deaf and forced to wander Outworld until he was found by Cyrax who was DJing that night. Cyrax took him to the Outerworld Investigation Agency where he swore that Deaf Ninja was totally cool and wouldn't shit on the rug. This was true, as Deaf Ninja could not hear, but he could still see. He would require visual confirmation of a flushed toilet, but he could certainly find his way there. One day he did just this, but the swirling waters gave way to a portal that sucked him into a strange new realm where sound is solid!


FACE!!!
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05/08/2008 01:08 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Frost055 Wrote:
I highly doubt that they did a crossover game because they couldn't think of more "original" characters. No offense, but this one has to be the dumbest rant I've heard so far.

CHEERS!grin





Well, how deep a theme is for a person depends on how much the person thinks over it. I'd bet you haven't thought a bit, but nevermind...

So, post what you think on the question mentioned in short and concrete replies... Otherwise, let there be a polite closure.
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05/08/2008 01:12 AM (UTC)
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shaggysorceror Wrote:
Well, how deep a theme is for a person depends on how much the person thinks over it. I'd bet you haven't thought a bit, but nevermind...

So, post what you think on the question mentioned in short and concrete replies... Otherwise, let there be a polite closure.

"Short concrete replies"?
In a thread dedicated to baseless/facetious supposition?

Bo' Rai Cho, Li Mei, Kira, Kobra, Ben Affleck, Hsu Hao...
I'm pretty sure quality control isn't a big obstacle for the gang over at the MK team. I really don't think a creative roadblock was ever going to be an issue...
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05/08/2008 01:36 AM (UTC)
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I don't think that was it. My theories as to why:

1. Boon even said he wanted a cross-over game so when he got a chance he took it without thinking properly

2. They were working on a story and decided that for whatever reason they wanted to do a cross-over as MK's big introduction to the next gen.

3. This is just to buy time for ideas on a real MK game.
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05/08/2008 01:46 AM (UTC)
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Personally, I think it went down like this.

"Mr. Boon, we're from DC. All our video games suck. Anyway, Marvel had some success when they fought those Street Fighter guys. You interested in having Batman fight Sub-Zero?"

"Er, well kinda."

"Remember that lots of people like Batman."

"I know..."

"He's got a movie coming out.... sure to make millions."

"Yes... millions... I'm sold."

"We can't have any of your characters killing him though."

"That's okay. It's Batman. And the MK fans are blindly loyal. They'll buy anything with the MK name on it."

"Good, so we have a deal."

Okay, maybe not exactly like that, but cut me some slack. I'm being cynical here.
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05/08/2008 01:50 AM (UTC)
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hmm... Not really.

MK can't sell that well anymore. It's out of the spotlight for quite sometime now. That's the way to bring it back, and well, they actually did a good job of making people talking about it.

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05/08/2008 02:24 AM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Personally, I think it went down like this.

I think it was more like...

Blaze: Whoooaaaaa! I'm blowing shit up!!!
Taven: Mommyyyyyy!!!
Raiden: Sucks to be me!
Reptile: wut? lolzzzz

Shao Kahn: Hoo hah haaaaah!

Darkseid: OMFG exploding planet and shit! Seidy-senses going berzerk!!!

Shao Kahn: wtf?? asl??

Darkseid: Bow biznitch to tha new god of your dooooom!

Shao Kahn: stfu rock head! Go back to megaman rockhead! ffs lol

Darkseid: I iz Darkseid respect!!!

Shao Kahn: wat up??? am Shao Khan emprr of Outworldz! Werd! NME of Earthrealm!

Darkseid: Yeah! Earthrealm suxxx! Lez shiv?

Shao Kahn: Hope Glorious Goddfrey don't say ballz nasty!

Glorious Goddfrey: Ballz nasty

Shao Kahn: Outstanding! Hoo hah hah!

Darkseid: Lez fuck dat shit up, yo!
Shao Kahn: Hoo hah haaah! You will die!
Darkseid: wtf???? gtfo!
Shao Khan: Don't make me laugh! (I meant the other guy)

Superman: wtf????
Batman: What is it, Lassie? Is someone in trouble?...
Superman: Yayayaya. Glorious Goddfrey say ballz nasty.
Batman: ... Goddamn.
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05/08/2008 02:35 AM (UTC)
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This game will suck balls hands down

lets take a look

-Graphics 5/10 (on a next gen level) compare VF5 to this (ha)!!!!!!**&^%^

-Mechanics (Give me a break this is midway!) For those of you saying
maybe this time they will get it right (keep telling yourself that)

-MK vs DC ( ha.. ten years to late) AKA M vs C

-Story (No comment?) No hells way is this going to work without sounding ridiculous



On a side note the new scorpion render is hideous (sorry but that is not next gen)

-And for any of the True (as you call them mk fans) have anything to say speak up cause only the true fan will end up buying this heap of shit

no pun intended peace outfurious
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05/08/2008 02:45 AM (UTC)
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-Story (No comment?) No hells way is this going to work without sounding ridiculous

Earthrealm defending itself from interdimensional elopers? THATS CRAAAAAZYYYY~!!! WUT?
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05/08/2008 02:48 AM (UTC)
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You don't know that yet...*sigh* because umm the game hasn't even come out, I know plenty of fans that already hate and think SF 4 will suck yet that game isn't out yet but at least we've seen vids and the arcade is out in Japan now..

MK8 will rock I think but I'm looking forward to it, these posts are becoming a bit tideous now seriously....


Nobody knows how the game will play yet, so stop judging it and making yourselves look silly or ignorant.

I mean lol cry me a river already, for the people here that don't have any interest in MK8. Fine, we get it no please be quiet already, save your money and let that true MK fan or casual fan buy the game. Thank you.

Now, on the topic at hand. I disagree with the topic, I feel that Midway did it to do what they said they'd do " do something different, change that would shock people" and so it did. It's excited people to the point of orgasm, while bothered others to the point of near suicide. Funny really....but seriously, just like any MK game or fighting series for that matter. They have made characters that some fans like, and others dislike.

We'll see new characters again once MK goes solo again, most likely it will be MK9.

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05/08/2008 02:56 AM (UTC)
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MK4 (1997-1998) - MKDA (2002) - MKD (2004) - MKAr (2006) - MK Game Post MK vs DCU (2010).

Compared with Capcom... but not SF:

RE: Code Veronica (2000) - RE4 (2005) - RE5 (2009).

Sometimes, teams need more than 2 years (secuel time) to make a new & fresh game.....
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05/08/2008 03:01 AM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
You don't know that yet...*sigh* because umm the game hasn't even come out

Cognitive brain function? Rrrrun for the hills! wow
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05/08/2008 08:54 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
shaggysorceror Wrote:
Well, how deep a theme is for a person depends on how much the person thinks over it. I'd bet you haven't thought a bit, but nevermind...

So, post what you think on the question mentioned in short and concrete replies... Otherwise, let there be a polite closure.

"Short concrete replies"?
In a thread dedicated to baseless/facetious supposition?




If my opinion had a strong and well-rooted enough base, the debating and sending counterarguments would be futile, right? And why facetious?
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05/08/2008 02:30 PM (UTC)
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they may as well have just done MK vs Puppet Master where the MK characters got shrunk, it'd be just as crazy as this but at least we'd have fatalities
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05/08/2008 04:51 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Garlador Wrote:
Personally, I think it went down like this.

I think it was more like...

Blaze: Whoooaaaaa! I'm blowing shit up!!!
Taven: Mommyyyyyy!!!
Raiden: Sucks to be me!
Reptile: wut? lolzzzz

Shao Kahn: Hoo hah haaaaah!

Darkseid: OMFG exploding planet and shit! Seidy-senses going berzerk!!!

Shao Kahn: wtf?? asl??

Darkseid: Bow biznitch to tha new god of your dooooom!

Shao Kahn: stfu rock head! Go back to megaman rockhead! ffs lol

Darkseid: I iz Darkseid respect!!!

Shao Kahn: wat up??? am Shao Khan emprr of Outworldz! Werd! NME of Earthrealm!

Darkseid: Yeah! Earthrealm suxxx! Lez shiv?

Shao Kahn: Hope Glorious Goddfrey don't say ballz nasty!

Glorious Goddfrey: Ballz nasty

Shao Kahn: Outstanding! Hoo hah hah!

Darkseid: Lez fuck dat shit up, yo!
Shao Kahn: Hoo hah haaah! You will die!
Darkseid: wtf???? gtfo!
Shao Khan: Don't make me laugh! (I meant the other guy)

Superman: wtf????
Batman: What is it, Lassie? Is someone in trouble?...
Superman: Yayayaya. Glorious Goddfrey say ballz nasty.
Batman: ... Goddamn.


Best MKvsDC dialogue eva grin
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05/08/2008 06:48 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Personally, I think it went down like this.

"Mr. Boon, we're from DC. All our video games suck. Anyway, Marvel had some success when they fought those Street Fighter guys. You interested in having Batman fight Sub-Zero?"

"Er, well kinda."

"Remember that lots of people like Batman."

"I know..."

"He's got a movie coming out.... sure to make millions."

"Yes... millions... I'm sold."

"We can't have any of your characters killing him though."

"That's okay. It's Batman. And the MK fans are blindly loyal. They'll buy anything with the MK name on it."

"Good, so we have a deal."

Okay, maybe not exactly like that, but cut me some slack. I'm being cynical here.


You wanna know what Jack Burton said about this message??? Well...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

It never hurts to be cynical...frankly, I don't find it hard to imagine that scenario for some reason...but I will say this:

Being both a whiz at English and a MK veteran, when it comes to character originality, I can almost discern immediately just what influenced a character's creation. I don't mean to sound like some expert here; it's rather easy to do.

Take for instance my favorite, Raiden: his namesake is obviously from Shinto mythology, as there is an actual thunder god with that name, only he is a demon god. The Raiden you see (for the most part, and I say that simply because the new direction they're taking him in might be a more demonic turn) looks more like a Taoist god more than anything...not to mention he looks a hell of a lot like the Storms from "Big Trouble in Little China," from which you get MY namesake, Jack Burton.

You see? With a little research, you can take the originality out of almost anything.

And that's what Jack Burton has to say at this time.
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05/08/2008 06:57 PM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
I don't think that was it. My theories as to why:

1. Boon even said he wanted a cross-over game so when he got a chance he took it without thinking properly

2. They were working on a story and decided that for whatever reason they wanted to do a cross-over as MK's big introduction to the next gen.

3. This is just to buy time for ideas on a real MK game.


You know, the more I read this message, the more I sort of buy into it. Maybe Boon didn't realize at first he'd have to make the game earn a "T" rating from the ESRB? My solution for that is to have two versions of the game released: one for the younger DC fans, and the other for the hardened MK veterans. Since it would probably cost a lot to do such a thing, it probably won't happen...just wishful thinking on my part.

Hell, I'm a writer...maybe they've all hit some sort of writer's block and took this job to buy time for the real MK8? I don't know. I've never really viewed this MK vs. DC thing to be an authentic MK8, and I don't think anyone else should do that just yet. When you throw in DC characters or any other characters from franchises outside of the MK universe, it ceases to be authentic; all you're left with is a crossover game.

And that's what Jack Burton has to say at this time.
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05/08/2008 08:23 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
You don't know that yet...*sigh* because umm the game hasn't even come out

Cognitive brain function? Rrrrun for the hills! wow


Irrelevant posts are futile, rating a game before it's out is like taking a shit without having a bowl under ya ass. Weed Ard Ed


no ermac smiley, sorrygrin

@Shin, it can be compared to SF in a way, remember SFEX and SF the movie?

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05/08/2008 11:45 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
You don't know that yet...*sigh* because umm the game hasn't even come out

Cognitive brain function? Rrrrun for the hills! wow


Irrelevant posts are futile, rating a game before it's out is like taking a shit without having a bowl under ya ass. Weed Ard Ed


no ermac smiley, sorrygrin

@Shin, it can be compared to SF in a way, remember SFEX and SF the movie?



I have to agree with MKFL with this one. Yeah, so we have the ability to see what this game is like before it actually comes to our hands or comes out with more trailers and rate that it sucks... yeah, why bitch about something that's in the prossess of making?

But see, people like you are driving people (Not all of them and I'm not including myself in this situation) nuts because you all think that it's a dumb idea. When I stated my thought about your question, I said that for a smart ass good reason. I highly doubt that Midway was too lazy so they decided to make the game into a crossover. That's not even a reason why games do crossovers.

A long time ago, before Deception even came out, I was asking myself what happened if MK did crossovers. Marvel vs. Capcom was a good game, and no one bitched about how Capcom does crossovers or SNK. But you guys are not even giving this game a single chance. Oh, we got one tiny little post about the game being a crossover, oh and we also got a little trailer that didn't show that much about the game. Yeah, and you wonder why all of your ranting threads get closed right away.

See, if you guys actually gave this game a chance and stop thinking that it's the end of an era with MK becuase it's going on a "different" path at the current moment, you guys probably couldn't wait until this fall. But seeing how the majority of you "adults" are acting like little children and that you refuse to buy the game becuase it sucks becuase you have no other reason to state why you think this, you guys are being looked at snotty immature members who are just spamming with ranting threads that most of your are too blind to see that there's a thread specifically designed for a rant.

I close my statement on the fact that I do think that this is the dumbest reason for why MK decided to go to a crossover. The fact that I know that this is not a crossover becuase Midway is lazy, its just that its something that no vg company would ever do to their most popular game.

And by all means, this isn't being rude, I'm trying to get it striaght through the majority of the members' head that they need to give this game a fucknig chance for once.

CHEERS!grin
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05/09/2008 12:00 AM (UTC)
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shadowcat Wrote:
This game will suck balls hands down

lets take a look

-Graphics 5/10 (on a next gen level) compare VF5 to this (ha)!!!!!!**&^%^

-Mechanics (Give me a break this is midway!) For those of you saying
maybe this time they will get it right (keep telling yourself that)

-MK vs DC ( ha.. ten years to late) AKA M vs C

-Story (No comment?) No hells way is this going to work without sounding ridiculous



On a side note the new scorpion render is hideous (sorry but that is not next gen)

-And for any of the True (as you call them mk fans) have anything to say speak up cause only the true fan will end up buying this heap of shit

no pun intended peace outfurious


That's exactly what i'm saying.
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05/09/2008 12:30 AM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Irrelevant posts are futile, rating a game before it's out is like taking a shit without having a bowl under ya ass.

Oh geez... You didn't actually just say "irrelevant posts are futile" did you?... You know that isn't really 'big people' speak, right?...

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@Shin, it can be compared to SF in a way, remember SFEX and SF the movie?

... And you know it's obscenely ironic that you're sending one message, and then indulging in exactly the opposite in the same post, right?... *groan*

Not to single you out; the reverse-troll is all over the internet; but come on!
Aside from the fact that there'd be next to know reason for this forum without speculation; are we that frightened of not agreeing, or being mistaken?!

Unfounded accusations like the opening remarks in this thread - sure. There's absolutely no reason to think that. But surely you're not trying to say there's actually soemthing wrong with anticipating and reassessing as information becomes available. That's just ridiculous, and clearly you understand that, because you're doing it all over the forum as well!

SF4 builds are out!
COME ON!!! Ridiculous!

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And why facetious?

I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt.
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