Who here actually plays MK because of its *DEEP* gameplay?

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08/12/2004 11:39 AM (UTC)

Alright. It's really kind of gotten old listening to this debate that wanderer started. (Nothing against wanderer) It's just turning into flamage all over the fuckin place. No one is going to agree on this.

I started playing the MK's back when they first came out at the arcades. I played SF before that. I have always thought that games like SF, MvC, or basically any Capcom game have been much better than MK when it comes to technical playing. I've got no opinions on the tekken or virtue fighter games because I've never really played them a whole lot.

Now, that being said: I have never played MK for "deep" gameplay or whatever you want to call it. Basically, and I'm sure that alot of people will agree with me on this, is that the game is mindless fun. I'm a firm believer that gameplay does not make the game. The players make the game what they want it to be.

I've always taken to MK because it was different. It had a fairly simplistic fighting engine, it had an engaging story that always had people coming back for more, and it had gore and finishing moves to it.

Now....that being said.... I will agree that the MK games haven't really been the same since being in 2D. When DA came out, I ran out and bought it with the knowledge that it had (and let the flamage begin) "Tekken like" gameplay. But it was MK so it didn't matter. Truthfully, after I first started playing it, I was like, "What the fuck is this? This isn't MK!" After I had played it for some time, I began to adapt to the change.

MK isn't 2D anymore peeps, so stop living in the past. I wish in some ways that is was because I miss the old days but I've moved on like most people.

This brings me to MKD. I'm getting really sick of people bitching about a game that isn't even out yet and, more than likely, 99% of the people haven't even played yet. People like colguile and menthol are pissed because of MKDA's fighting engine, that's fine. I can understand that. But don't get pissed or take shots over a game that hasn't even been released yet. And yes, I know that Boon said that they haven't changed the core fighting engine.

So far, I see nothing but good coming from Deception. It's gotten faster. They've brought back the uppercut and roundhouse for the oldschoolers. There's a shitload more content in it. They've expanded on pretty much everything that was bitched about in MKDA. People are complaining about this universal breaker system? I'll be the first to voice an opinion if it sucks but since I HAVEN'T PLAYED THE GAME YET, I can't take shots. I'm fairly sure that Boon and Co. won't let the breaker system be something that is going to be shit. My bet is that it's going to be a timing based thing like many are saying.

When I read these threads (and although I'm new, I've been reading them for a long time) most of them aren't talking about gameplay. They are talking about things like: Whose going to be back in this game? What's the story going to be for this character? What moves is this person going to have? Who thinks so-and-so is going to be a secret character? You guys get the idea.

These forums have been mostly positive things about the game. Then the famous "universal breaker" fiasco starts Hatefest 2004 for MKD. Then it starts getting into gameplay and from there it just goes downhill.

I guess the bottom line peeps is a couple of things. First: let us not judge the fuckin game until it comes out, deal? Second: I'm sure that alot of people are with me on the fact that MK players don't play MK for "deep" or "technical" gameplay. We play the game because it is fun for US. We play it because it envelopes us in it's fantasy world and keeps us entertained for a long time and I think it will continue to do so. I see Deception as being no different.

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•08/14/2004 06:02 AM (UTC) •

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•08/14/2004 06:03 AM (UTC) •

I agree 100% with everything you said. Good work. But sadly, we're in the majority. Wait...that's right, we're in the majority.

Let the small group of elitist whiners whine. When the game comes out, and they've had a chance to PLAY the game, we'll see if they're still whining.

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•08/14/2004 06:16 AM (UTC) •

Nice double post, j/k.

But yes, I do agree with pretty much everything you said. I play all fighting games, Tekken, VF, SF, SC, along with all the old 2-D ones still and I don't have no problem with MKD. I had a few minor complaints when MKDA came out, but the main one was the speed. All fighting games need a good fast paced speed and fluid motion along with that. This has been taken care of with MKD. Plus other little things were fixed which were among my complaints. Like people having their own winning stances, 2 fatalities each, stage interaction and the death traps just blew my mind. It's a totally new twist on ring outs. I just hope you might be able to configure them to win the round when MKD is released, instead of only the round.

Anyways, great post. Very well thought out and if anyone flames you, their just being pricks who can't accept someone else's opinion unless it's what they want to hear.

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•08/14/2004 06:23 AM (UTC) •

Bezou Wrote:
I agree 100% with everything you said. Good work. But sadly, we're in the majority. Wait...that's right, we're in the majority. Let the small group of elitist whiners whine. When the game comes out, and they've had a chance to PLAY the game, we'll see if they're still whining.

Thanks bro. And I also agree. We are the majority and opinions are going to change.

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•08/14/2004 06:28 AM (UTC) •

CMETH Wrote:
Nice double post, j/k.

But yes, I do agree with pretty much everything you said. I play all fighting games, Tekken, VF, SF, SC, along with all the old 2-D ones still and I don't have no problem with MKD. I had a few minor complaints when MKDA came out, but the main one was the speed. All fighting games need a good fast paced speed and fluid motion along with that. This has been taken care of with MKD. Plus other little things were fixed which were among my complaints. Like people having their own winning stances, 2 fatalities each, stage interaction and the death traps just blew my mind. It's a totally new twist on ring outs. I just hope you might be able to configure them to win the round when MKD is released, instead of only the round.

Anyways, great post. Very well thought out and if anyone flames you, their just being pricks who can't accept someone else's opinion unless it's what they want to hear.

Yeah, sorry dude. I'm a "noob" so I haven't figured the whole posting thing yet. Gimme some time, haha. But yeah, I agree, MKDA frustrated me with it's slow/sluggish play and generic stances. None of that stuff was too major though. Looks like Deception fixed all of this. Thanks for the compliments though.

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•08/14/2004 06:45 AM (UTC) •

Nice thread and very good words. I agree with you on this one. People like to bitch and wine when the damn game isnt released yet. I've played the MK series all the way back to the arcade days and haven't really played many other fighting games. I like Tekken, Street Fighter, didnt care for Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur II was decent. It took me a little time to adjust to MK:DA fighting engine but I was happy to see a change to it.

I see nothing but good things for Deception. Its got the same engine as DA but thats not a bad thing. It a little faster. How the hell can you not like this game
-It's ONLINE[we can relive the arcade days]
-Konquest Mode looks really interesting.
-Look how many different types of ways to finish your opponent.....2 Fatalities, Hari Karis and Death Traps.
-Chess Kombat and Puzzle Mode is already looking damn fun.
-Alot of hidden stuffKrypt, Konquest and after Konquest}

If you don't like the game then thats your opinion but I agree with you that nobody has a right to critize a game that isnt even out already. Boon and company are working hard to give the fans what they want this time around. I will be there Oct.4th at EB to get my copy of Deception.

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•08/14/2004 06:51 AM (UTC) •

I had no problem with MKDA gameplay, so, I think I will have no problem either with MKD...

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•08/14/2004 06:51 AM (UTC) •

I love all the fun stuff about MK as well but wouldn't it just be the icing on the cake if they suprised us and did incorporate some hard core play mechanics as well for the serious fighter fans? Just like Soul Calibur where a novice could pick up and play it and have fun but a true warrior gamer could master its more subtle techniques if they chose to do so.

That my friends would be the ultimate unity for fun-lovers and gameplay buffs...and those people like myself who are fans of both worlds.

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•08/14/2004 07:06 AM (UTC) •

First of all, Welcome to MKO! I hope you enjoy your stay.

Second, you have all my respect for that post. You are so correct about every single thing you said, at least a 99.7%

I originally started playing MK because of its STORY!!!! Yes, Mk1 trapped me inside this amazing world of fighters trying to save earth from a sorcerer in the most unexpected outcome a tournament. HOW original is that?

And I was just a little kid when my cousin introduced me to the game, fatalities didnt even have all my attention, just the story and well developed characters.

When Mk2 came out, game play became an important factor to me, and guess what I LOVED IT! Mk has been buried alive by many fans because of its stale game play, when compared to other fighters.

But I have to disagree with all, even though im a very good (EDIT) player in Street Fighter and Soul Caliber series, I kick ass in Tekken and Virtual Fighter .but what do all this game have in comun???......*drums* exactly:

They-are-extremely-boring!!!!!! And the game play is weak! Not fun at all..

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT flame me for my opinion. To me, none of those games are as advanced in any aspect like Mk is. Maybe some have better graphics, or even maybe better sounds, but as for game play and story-wise they are boring.

They are simply boring, I hate to admit it but its the true. I rarely play any other fighter that is not Mk, the others dont have my attention, none has managed to impress me as much as my ear Mk.

So yeah, If I had to choose between a GREAT STORY for a game or EXCELLENT GAME PLAY, I go for the story.

But hey, both are important, I just feel the story is much deeper then any gameplay, no matter how perfect it is, in any game. Its like this:

A great story with terrible gameplay is just as terrible as a great gameplay with a terrible story

MKDA has definitely the best gameplay in any Mk game. I was bored with the 1 button attack styles, they were great back then, but people, changes are necessary, and MKDA introduced one the best gameplay modes I have ever seen. It was not only original, but fun.

I EASILY managed to get used to it. Im still in love with it, and Im glad deception keeps it the same. Although I admit, there are many good ideas flying all over the board on how to improve the gameplay.

The point is, MK has a great gameplay mode. It is not bad to be considered awful and not worth for a fighting game, its amazing and well developed, IT IS DEEP!

But is it the best? Maybe not, but as far as I am concerned, I say it is. No other fighter has reached as high as Mk has, and that is not only thanks to the story and fatalities.

People have fun, because the gameplay is good.

Excellent thread once again.

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•08/14/2004 07:09 AM (UTC) •

kidkrazy Wrote:
I will be there Oct.4th at EB to get my copy of Deception.

Right on bro. Be picking up the Premium Pack on the 4th from Gamestop reaping the benefits of pre-ordering.

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•08/14/2004 07:16 AM (UTC) •

I came into this thread expecting to smack someone, and instead I applaud.

Great post, and welcome to the board!

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•08/14/2004 07:21 AM (UTC) •

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Right on bro. Be picking up the Premium Pack on the 4th from Gamestop reaping the benefits of pre-ordering.

Me too and I just paid off my Xbox collectors eddition today!

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•08/14/2004 07:24 AM (UTC) •

I have to admit, I'm not a big fan of VF or Tekken. They seem generic to me, like what queve said. MK has this "feel" that none of the others have. The world of MK is so deep, I'm surprised that they could do that through a FIGHTING game, when in most fighting games story is secondary to gameplay (they are just as important as eachother)

I originally played MK because I knew it had potential, it still does. It can be absolutely legendary, but Midway haven't reached that yet.

MK would be so much better as an action RPG, IMO. Konquest might briefly show that, and I hope Boon stays true to his word when he says "We have plans to make an adventure game, there is so much on the horizon".

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•08/14/2004 08:10 AM (UTC) •

queve Wrote:
But I have to disagree with all, Im one expert player in Street Fighter and Soul Caliber series, I kick ass in Tekken and Virtual Fighter .but what do all this game have in comun???......*drums* exactly:

THEY-ARE-EXTREMELY-BORING!!!!!! And the game play is WEAK! NOT FUN AT ALL.

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT flame me for my opinion. To me, none of those games are as advanced in any aspect like Mk is. Maybe some have better graphics, or even maybe better sounds, but as for game play and story-wise they are nothing.

They are simply boring, I hate to admit it but its the true. I rarely play any other fighter that is not Mk, the others dont have my attention, none has managed to impress me as much as my ear Mk.

I'm not flaming you, but that screams "fan boy!" to me.
This may be because you didn't explain yourself very well though. Would you care to elaborate on your "none of those games are as advanced in any aspect like Mk is" for me?

And I was just a little kid when my cousin introduced me to the game, fatalities didnt even have all my attention, just the story and well developed characters.

Erm.. remember Mr.Cage? He has to be one of the top 10 least developed characters (storyline wise) in any fighting game.

Your whole post confuses me.

•08/14/2004 08:29 AM (UTC) •

krackerjack Wrote:

queve Wrote:
But I have to disagree with all, Im one expert player in Street Fighter and Soul Caliber series, I kick ass in Tekken and Virtual Fighter .but what do all this game have in comun???......*drums* exactly:

THEY-ARE-EXTREMELY-BORING!!!!!! And the game play is WEAK! NOT FUN AT ALL.

DO NOT, I repeat, DO NOT flame me for my opinion. To me, none of those games are as advanced in any aspect like Mk is. Maybe some have better graphics, or even maybe better sounds, but as for game play and story-wise they are nothing.

They are simply boring, I hate to admit it but its the true. I rarely play any other fighter that is not Mk, the others dont have my attention, none has managed to impress me as much as my ear Mk.

I'm not flaming you (i don't need to, you made enough foolish comments already), but that screams "fan boy!" to me.
This may be because you didn't explain yourself very well though. Would you care to elaborate on your "none of those games are as advanced in any aspect like Mk is" for me?

And I was just a little kid when my cousin introduced me to the game, fatalities didnt even have all my attention, just the story and well developed characters.

Erm.. remember Mr.Cage? He has to be one of the top 10 least developed characters (storyline wise) in any fighting game.

Your whole post confuses me.

Then I guess I have to explain my self a little better for some.

And btw, no, its not me you hear, I also heard those screams, but in another thread. *looks around confused*

But do you have any special favorite fighter I may had offended? Just curious Anyway

Advanced in what way?:

The story.
Gameplay.
The Features.

No fighter feels as good as Mk, and its not because Im a fan of the game, but its my opinion, and I plan to stick to it in this matter. I have played SC, SF, TK, VF, and other fighters and they lack one thing or another, very much.

As for the story for some reason, Im not surprised you chose to focus on Johnny Cage, when we have a whole lot of other potential in the first game.

What is it that you are basically saying? That the story is not good?

And weather you like to believe it or not, all characters of the first game where greatly developed.

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•08/14/2004 09:41 AM (UTC) •

kidkrazy Wrote:
Nice thread and very good words. I agree with you on this one. People like to bitch and wine when the damn game isnt released yet. I've played the MK series all the way back to the arcade days and haven't really played many other fighting games. I like Tekken, Street Fighter, didnt care for Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur II was decent. It took me a little time to adjust to MK:DA fighting engine but I was happy to see a change to it.

I see nothing but good things for Deception. Its got the same engine as DA but thats not a bad thing. It a little faster. How the hell can you not like this game
-It's ONLINE[we can relive the arcade days]
-Konquest Mode looks really interesting.
-Look how many different types of ways to finish your opponent.....2 Fatalities, Hari Karis and Death Traps.
-Chess Kombat and Puzzle Mode is already looking damn fun.
-Alot of hidden stuffKrypt, Konquest and after Konquest}

If you don't like the game then thats your opinion but I agree with you that nobody has a right to critize a game that isnt even out already. Boon and company are working hard to give the fans what they want this time around. I will be there Oct.4th at EB to get my copy of Deception.

You know, I'm glad that you brought that up because I totally forgot about all the extra stuff MKD has to offer.

Online: It's been a while since I've had an arcade like experience.

Konquest: This by itself looks like it will rule ass simply because of the enormous amount of content just in this "mini" game.

Multiple Finishers: Can't complain about these now can we.

Chess and Puzzle Kombat: Although I'm sick of these two mini games being given more attention than the actual game (and it really does seem like it), they both look like welcome additions to the MK world.

Hidden Shit: You got it. And tons of it from the way it sounds.

See that's what I don't get. Boon and Co. throw all of this stuff in for us because they knew that they shortchanged us on DA, yet people are still going to gripe about GAMEPLAY, which is something that MK was never number one at. This is exactly why I play MK, not because of gameplay necessarily, but because it has everything else to offer.

Seriously, this criticizm bullshit needs to halt. Especially when the game HAS NOT BEEN RELEASED.

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•08/14/2004 10:24 AM (UTC) •

I play Mortal Kombat because of the storyline, truth be told.

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•08/14/2004 10:28 AM (UTC) •

queve Wrote:

Then I guess I have to explain my self a little better for some.

And btw, no, its not me you hear, I also heard those screams, but in another thread. *looks around confused*

But do you have any special favorite fighter I may had offended? Just curious Anyway

Advanced in what way?:

The story.
Gameplay.
The Features.

No fighter feels as good as Mk, and its not because Im a fan of the game, but its my opinion, and I plan to stick to it in this matter. I have played SC, SF, TK, VF, and other fighters and they lack one thing or another, very much.

As for the story for some reason, Im not surprised you chose to focus on Johnny Cage, when we have a whole lot of other potential in the first game.

What is it that you are basically saying? That the story is not good?

And weather you like to believe it or not, all characters of the first game where greatly developed.

Ok, fair enough. I did choose Cage because he has the weakest story, and some of the others like Sub Zero's were slightly better. Though you did just say all characters of the first game were greatly developed, so i guess it doesn't matter whether i chose Cage or not, because you just confirmed that you thought his story was decent.
Anyway, i don't really want to get into the story side of things too much, but i'm still very interested as to why you think MK has better gameplay than Tekken or VF. You've remained very vague as to why excatly so far, saying only "(every other fighter) lacks something or another". What excatly is it gameplay wise, that every other fighter lacks, that the Mortal Kombat series has?

And no to the favorite fighter question by the way.

(I apologise for calling your opinion "foolish". I guess i just didn't know what to make of the fact that somebody thought MK was deeper than VF. It's so often said, by so many people, with such confidence that MK can't compete with such games, so it's hard to accept that it isn't really a "fact" as such)

Oh, and idon't think i ever actually answered the topic at hand, so here goes.
I pretty much agree with most people when they say MK can't compete with the Virtual Fighter's and Tekken's of today. MK is fun as hell to play though, partly because of the basic gameplay and combos, and partly because it has the all round "coolest" characters of most fighters, along with the gore of course. Basicly i think it's just nice to look at, good for a laugh, and original, but just can't compete.

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•08/14/2004 10:59 AM (UTC) •

I started playing MK in the arcades and it was just plain mindless fun to me. I loved it and loved watching the Fatalities.

I like how MK has grown up with MKDA. The change to the fighting styles was great and I love it and prefer it to the 2d fighting. I got used to it very quickly. I wouldnt want MK to go back to the old 2d fighting at all. There are so flaws with the new system, but it is still fun to play and has helped MK move on.

MKD has improved upon MKDAs engine slightly. Im glad that it is faster and having the uppercut and roundhouse back is good. The extra content is great, but it is not just those things that make a great game. The universal breakers are not to everyones liking and Im still sceptical about them. It will most likely be a timing thing, but it could become a problem amongst experienced players.

Ive played Soul Calibur, Tekken and Street Fighter. I dont really see anything special about Tekken or Street fighter. I like Soul Caliburs guard impacting. Tekken is very boring after awhile and so is the story. Street Fighters story I dont even bother with and I dont care too much for Soul Caliburs too. MKs story however is the most intriguing of all those fighters. And its gameplay is the one I find the most fun. This doesnt mean that improvements cant be made to it. These can be done and the same fun feeling can be kept. MK has proven that it doesnt need to be all technical like the others to be fun. That is why so many love it.

Im looking forward to MKD. The improvements they have made are fine and even if other things havent been touched upon, Ill still be happy with and love this game! Itll be fun and thats what I want!

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•08/14/2004 11:07 AM (UTC) •

After that and something else you said in another thread now hold you opinion in a lot less respect than before, I'll read a person with visits under 500 before I do yours because of 2 main things you've said.

1) In a sense of the word, MK vs other fighters

I don't know where you got the idea that VF, Soul Calibur and Tekken are boring, and weak in gameplay, but I seriously doubt your claims of how good you are in them, there are obvious flaws in MK's current fighting aspect that are not as good as the other fighters, and good parts that are in the others that make them better than MK that you have failed to noticed, being ignorant towards them, or you don't have a general idea of how to judge gameplay.

So far what I've seen from you is opinion, opinion ,opinion, what I'm asking you to do is give some examples of gameplay aspects of a fighting game, in which MK is better than the others.

Having more fun with MK than what you do with others is fine I've no problem by that, I do have a problem with you making such big statements as to say MK in the gameplay department is better than Tekken, VF and Soul Calibur simply because of the fact that you have more fun with MK.

People's opinions on which they like the best and which actually is the best can't be used to back each other up, there comes a line where opinion must take a back seat for facts.

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2) Gameplay vs Story

Here's my definition of my idea of gameplay -

The part in a game in which you yourself interacts with the game, whether it be against the games CPU, or playing against friends using the games system.

Now I'll be the first person to admit, yes I too first started playing MK because of the story, it was, interesting and different from previous during it's arrival, and any released since.

But what you are saying is so extreme to the point that if Midway thought I know we'll just keep MK in the movie industry, despite it's huge history and legions of fans supporting it as a game, you'd be over the moon.

Liking the story is fine I'll agree it is the best aspect of MK, always has been, but the story does has it's limits.

You have the introduction FMV's, you can have your little paragraphs about the characters in the manual, and than the endings at the end of the game, but what about the game itself? you know that part in the middle of the beggining and the end where you play MK for what it is ..... a game.

You play these games using gameplay, while you are doing this unless there are direct references to the story before or after a fight (which their haven't been so far in MK to any great detail) the story goes out of the window.

To say you'd rather have a good story over good gameplay is as good as saying -

"scrap the game, let's have a 5 minute scene for the intro, we'll give detailed openings to these warriors before they go into battle, then we'll see what happens to them after it, stick it all onto a DVD and send it out to the masses who seem would rather have MK as a movie than a game."

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Concluding thought (man, this is like Jerry Springer

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I have no problem with people liking MK more because they have more fun with it than other fighting games.

I do have a problem with games being labelled as things they are not

eg. people calling MK crap because of the fact that gameplay isn't MK's priority aswell as people calling other games if not in retalliation, then just because they don't have as much fun with it as what they do with MK.

I like the story of MK because that's what it is about, but I'd like more people to remember it's roots, as a game, that is played with gameplay, no matter what the story is or its quality.

•08/14/2004 11:13 AM (UTC) •

krackerjack Wrote:
queve Wrote:

Then I guess I have to explain my self a little better for some.

And btw, no, its not me you hear, I also heard those screams, but in another thread. *looks around confused*

But do you have any special favorite fighter I may had offended? Just curious Anyway

Advanced in what way?:

The story.
Gameplay.
The Features.

No fighter feels as good as Mk, and its not because Im a fan of the game, but its my opinion, and I plan to stick to it in this matter. I have played SC, SF, TK, VF, and other fighters and they lack one thing or another, very much.

As for the story for some reason, Im not surprised you chose to focus on Johnny Cage, when we have a whole lot of other potential in the first game.

What is it that you are basically saying? That the story is not good?

And weather you like to believe it or not, all characters of the first game where greatly developed.

Ok, fair enough. I did choose Cage because he has the weakest story, and some of the others like Sub Zero's were slightly better. Though you did just say all characters of the first game were greatly developed, so i guess it doesn't matter whether i chose Cage or not, because you just confirmed that you thought his story was decent.
Anyway, i don't really want to get into the story side of things too much, but i'm still very interested as to why you think MK has better gameplay than Tekken or VF. You've remained very vague as to why excatly so far, saying only "(every other fighter) lacks something or another". What excatly is it gameplay wise, that every other fighter lacks, that the Mortal Kombat series has?

And no to the favorite fighter question by the way.

(I apologise for calling your opinion "foolish". I guess i just didn't know what to make of the fact that somebody thought MK was deeper than VF. It's so often said, by so many people, with such confidence that MK can't compete with such games, so it's hard to accept that it isn't really a "fact" as such)

Oh, and idon't think i ever actually answered the topic at hand, so here goes.
I pretty much agree with most people when they say MK can't compete with the Virtual Fighter's and Tekken's of today. MK is fun as hell to play though, partly because of the basic gameplay and combos, and partly because it has the all round "coolest" characters of most fighters, along with the gore of course. Basicly i think it's just nice to look at, good for a laugh, and original, but just can't compete.

Its Ok. About the foolish part.

About the story. Yes, I did like the story of Cage, back then, it was well accepted. Now is a different case, we all hate it. Overall, the story is outstanding, and all characters were unique back then.

About the gameplay, I guess its a matter of opinion (MY statements I mean, because I do know that in general, it is not).

I cant really explain well or go deep in terms of gameplay, I can only say that I dont feel exited or I just dont feel the gameplay of VF better then the one of MK .at all. Its just how I feel.

Thats why I said, MK has deep gameplay, its not the worst, but its not the best neither.

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•08/14/2004 11:14 AM (UTC) •

It doesnt matter how many moves there are, or how great or crappy the game play is!!
Its true for all the games....
Mk deception might not have all of the depth v.f, tekken, DOA, and sc2 have, but if u dont play smart u wont win...
I have many times walked away from the mk machine (sorry please dont kill me) to play tekken street fighter and soul edge, beat up some one who plays the game 24/7, knows all the moves.. But they dont play smart and lose.
What im getting at is having a lot of moves, depth and game play is great especially for the single players enjoyment, but it doesnt mean anything vs. a smart opponent. Basically it doesnt matter if the game has depth or none what so ever u still need skills to play....
I love soul cal 2!! I like it a lot more then mk3, mk4, mkda, but even w/ all there depth I still like mk 2 better w/ its inferior game play and depth, but the fighting is still better and funnier then all those depth games I still play it to this day (thanks to mame online )those others just sit there collecting dust)..... I hated mkda, but it could have been the lack of opponents I had...
The online play will add a lot to mkd...
They could have added online play to mkda and it could have ended up being a great game....
IM A FIGHTING GAME FAN I LOVE THEM ALL!!

Besides the fighting part of the game the story is by far the best of all fighting games!!
Now w/ the konquest, chess, puzzle, and online play ~ mkd will be a great game!!!! Thats a fact!!!!

Lets all remember they never really changed the core fighting of mk1-mk4, but if u have played them all you will know that each one is different in its own way. Each 1 added something new to the game play all four games mechanics were the same but the game play is way different from each other... this will probably be true for mk deception, the mechanics will be the same, most likely though, it will have different game play.. If you dont understand just play mk2 for a half hour, play mk3 for a half hour then go back to mk2 u will see what I mean by different game play.

•08/14/2004 11:27 AM (UTC) •

FLSTYLE Wrote:
After that and something else you said in another thread now hold you opinion in a lot less respect than before, I'll read a person with visits under 500 before I do yours because of 2 main things you've said.

1) In a sense of the word, MK vs other fighters

I don't know where you got the idea that VF, Soul Calibur and Tekken are boring, and weak in gameplay, but I seriously doubt your claims of how good you are in them, there are obvious flaws in MK's current fighting aspect that are not as good as the other fighters, and good parts that are in the others that make them better than MK that you have failed to noticed, being ignorant towards them, or you don't have a general idea of how to judge gameplay.

So far what I've seen from you is opinion, opinion ,opinion, what I'm asking you to do is give some examples of gameplay aspects of a fighting game, in which MK is better than the others.

Having more fun with MK than what you do with others is fine I've no problem by that, I do have a problem with you making such big statements as to say MK in the gameplay department is better than Tekken, VF and Soul Calibur simply because of the fact that you have more fun with MK.

People's opinions on which they like the best and which actually is the best can't be used to back each other up, there comes a line where opinion must take a back seat for facts.

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2) Gameplay vs Story

Here's my definition of my idea of gameplay -

The part in a game in which you yourself interacts with the game, whether it be against the games CPU, or playing against friends using the games system.

Now I'll be the first person to admit, yes I too first started playing MK because of the story, it was, interesting and different from previous during it's arrival, and any released since.

But what you are saying is so extreme to the point that if Midway thought I know we'll just keep MK in the movie industry, despite it's huge history and legions of fans supporting it as a game, you'd be over the moon.

Liking the story is fine I'll agree it is the best aspect of MK, always has been, but the story does has it's limits.

You have the introduction FMV's, you can have your little paragraphs about the characters in the manual, and than the endings at the end of the game, but what about the game itself? you know that part in the middle of the beggining and the end where you play MK for what it is ..... a game.

You play these games using gameplay, while you are doing this unless there are direct references to the story before or after a fight (which their haven't been so far in MK to any great detail) the story goes out of the window.

To say you'd rather have a good story over good gameplay is as good as saying -

"scrap the game, let's have a 5 minute scene for the intro, we'll give detailed openings to these warriors before they go into battle, then we'll see what happens to them after it, stick it all onto a DVD and send it out to the masses who seem would rather have MK as a movie than a game."

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Concluding thought (man, this is like Jerry Springer )

I have no problem with people liking MK more because they have more fun with it than other fighting games.

I do have a problem with games being labelled as things they are not

eg. people calling MK crap because of the fact that gameplay isn't MK's priority aswell as people calling other games if not in retalliation, then just because they don't have as much fun with it as what they do with MK.

I like the story of MK because that's what it is about, but I'd like more people to remember it's roots, as a game, that is played with gameplay, no matter what the story is or its quality.

First of all, the visits part of your post was surely not necessary or needed. If you cant handle opinion dude, what are you doing here?! I would had taken your post seriously without that part, but now sorry, I dont see the case.

You just said it yourself.

I gave MY OPINIONS and I clearly said that I cant explain deep what I mean about gameplay.

This thread had nothing to do with talking about facts, nor did it say anything that suggested we should all talk about facts, because I know them.

I do know MK lacks of many gameplay elements other games have; THAT is why I said:
The point is, MK has a great gameplay mode. It is not bad to be considered awful and not worth for a fighting game, its amazing and well developed, IT IS DEEP!

But is it the best? Maybe not, but as far as I am concerned, I say it is. No other fighter has reached as high as Mk has, and that is not only thanks to the story and fatalities.

That was clearly my opinion.

From your post, you were basing my opinions as facts, next time, read more carefully.

You cant make everyone like the other fighters because of their gameplay, no matter how perfect it is. The point of this thread was to disscuss OUR OPINIONS concerning the story, and gameplay of MK.