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The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
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RedSumac Wrote:
I meant to ask, what is he: is he an alternate costume of Jago and appears as random opponent or comes as the final enemy in the arcade mode (if new KI has one)?
I meant to ask, what is he: is he an alternate costume of Jago and appears as random opponent or comes as the final enemy in the arcade mode (if new KI has one)?
He's essentially just a Jago skin, but he is his own character on the select screen The announcer does say "Shadow jago" when you select him. He has an entirely different audio track and sound effects than normal jago. Sort of like how Evil Ryu is in Street fighter. His moves have the same exact properties as normal jago, just different artwork/skin essentially. He will have his own story they said too.
There is no Arcade mode at the moment. All there is is survival (endless battles, until you loss) and I honestly haven't even seen him show up in it, while I've played.
Double helix said they plan on making him his own character with a different move set, but that that will come later (possible some time next Fall 2014).
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TheNinjasRock071394 Wrote:
The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
Lazy? It's a question about money, not laziness. XD
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Kabal20 Wrote:
There is no Arcade mode at the moment.
There is no Arcade mode at the moment.
I'm sorry but that's just inexcusable. What the fuck are people supposed to do on there? Just practice and play online? That's just stupid. I can forgive the outrageously small roster, but no Arcade at all? I can't even...
And I know, I've complained about how Microsoft is systematically fucking over this game by forcing it as a launch title. But no Arcade Mode is just ridiculous.
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
I'm sorry but that's just inexcusable. What the fuck are people supposed to do on there? Just practice and play online? That's just stupid. I can forgive the outrageously small roster, but no Arcade at all? I can't even...
And I know, I've complained about how Microsoft is systematically fucking over this game by forcing it as a launch title. But no Arcade Mode is just ridiculous.
Kabal20 Wrote:
There is no Arcade mode at the moment.
There is no Arcade mode at the moment.
I'm sorry but that's just inexcusable. What the fuck are people supposed to do on there? Just practice and play online? That's just stupid. I can forgive the outrageously small roster, but no Arcade at all? I can't even...
And I know, I've complained about how Microsoft is systematically fucking over this game by forcing it as a launch title. But no Arcade Mode is just ridiculous.
And yet Game Informer gave the game an 8.75. Simply laughable.
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lazy? It's a question about money, not laziness. XD
TheNinjasRock071394 Wrote:
The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
Lazy? It's a question about money, not laziness. XD
When you are able to purchase a $500 console, a $5 character tacked on is the least of anyone's problems. It's not a money question. They don't have to buy the $20 bundle or the $40 one.
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
I'm sorry but that's just inexcusable. What the fuck are people supposed to do on there? Just practice and play online? That's just stupid. I can forgive the outrageously small roster, but no Arcade at all? I can't even...
And I know, I've complained about how Microsoft is systematically fucking over this game by forcing it as a launch title. But no Arcade Mode is just ridiculous.
Kabal20 Wrote:
There is no Arcade mode at the moment.
There is no Arcade mode at the moment.
I'm sorry but that's just inexcusable. What the fuck are people supposed to do on there? Just practice and play online? That's just stupid. I can forgive the outrageously small roster, but no Arcade at all? I can't even...
And I know, I've complained about how Microsoft is systematically fucking over this game by forcing it as a launch title. But no Arcade Mode is just ridiculous.
I'm pretty sure they said their arcade mode is going to be story mode. Since Spinal and Fulgore aren't available yet, they left it out. There is survival mode that let's you play against endless enemies. It's just there are no ending or boss character set up yet. There is also a versus mode that let's you play against people, CPU or CPU vs CPU.
IMO the only real mode that is missing is a time attack mode.
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Kabal20 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure they said their arcade mode is going to be story mode.
I'm pretty sure they said their arcade mode is going to be story mode.
That's no excuse. Maybe if they let the devs finish the fucking game there wouldn't be this problem period. Arcade Mode is the most basic component of any fighting game, and they couldn't have it in at launch. Seriously?
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Kabal20 Wrote:
I'm finding a lot of the other characters pretty easy to get basic, lengthy combo strings out of. Using the same formula Max showed off in the first jago Ultra video or chaining wind kick-> crouching MK manual, to build the KV meter before doing an ender to cash out and get some decent combo damage, usually around 30%. I'm finding people new to the game online though getting pretty salt over it.
Also it seems a lot of people like to use Orchid online. Most of the better players seem to be sticking with her. She's actually pretty quick and most of her moves and shadow moves combo pretty well together. I think she might have the easiest mix-up game of all the characters.
I'm finding a lot of the other characters pretty easy to get basic, lengthy combo strings out of. Using the same formula Max showed off in the first jago Ultra video or chaining wind kick-> crouching MK manual, to build the KV meter before doing an ender to cash out and get some decent combo damage, usually around 30%. I'm finding people new to the game online though getting pretty salt over it.
Also it seems a lot of people like to use Orchid online. Most of the better players seem to be sticking with her. She's actually pretty quick and most of her moves and shadow moves combo pretty well together. I think she might have the easiest mix-up game of all the characters.
Orchid was pretty popular at the tournament as well. Most were Jago players, but for every 3 or 4 Jago players, there was usually one Orchid player. I didn't see one other Glacius player in the entire tourney (some played him in casuals).
m0s3pH Wrote:
And yet Game Informer gave the game an 8.75. Simply laughable.
And yet Game Informer gave the game an 8.75. Simply laughable.
It's a virtually free game that is able to match the quality standards of $60 fighting games. If Jago's not your main, then it's $5 game. Even at the $20 price tag, it's still a hell of a deal. Endings and single-player modes are great and all, but their value expires after a month of ownership (and that's being generous, honestly; for people like us, it's probably more like a week and half).
As critics, we need to stop judging fighting games based on modes that don't matter on a long-term basis. They're important, but they are not the final authority on a fighting game's value. The gameplay and art design go way further.
KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
That's no excuse. Maybe if they let the devs finish the fucking game there wouldn't be this problem period. Arcade Mode is the most basic component of any fighting game, and they couldn't have it in at launch. Seriously?
That's no excuse. Maybe if they let the devs finish the fucking game there wouldn't be this problem period. Arcade Mode is the most basic component of any fighting game, and they couldn't have it in at launch. Seriously?
But they are finishing the game. They're just letting people enjoy the finalized content while that happens. The survival mode pretty much functions as an arcade mode anyway. For those who want an arcade mode with a boss and endings, their day is coming. Delaying the game so that everything could be packaged together doesn't really do anything but punish the purely competitive players.
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After spending the better part of the past day playing the game I really do enjoy it. There are some problems (non gameplay) with it that I do hope get straightened out.
The first being the replays. I'm not sure if my clips are corrupted or what, but 1) they lock up and freeze in playback and 2) there is no way to share them to the UPload app to send them to dropbox and then put them online.
The second thing I feel they need to do, is put some sort of safeguards in for dropped ranks from losing too many ranked match. A number of accessories are actually unlocked from having a rank of 5+, the problem is even once you rank ups, it's not hard to loss a hand full of matches and your actually back below where you originally started. I think most other games at least cap the rank system where you loss experience to the start of your current rank, but don't drop below it.
I just see this as being a maddening experience, not just for me (who doesn't play a lot of ranked matches to begin with), but for other new players down the road as the game and community evolves.
The first being the replays. I'm not sure if my clips are corrupted or what, but 1) they lock up and freeze in playback and 2) there is no way to share them to the UPload app to send them to dropbox and then put them online.
The second thing I feel they need to do, is put some sort of safeguards in for dropped ranks from losing too many ranked match. A number of accessories are actually unlocked from having a rank of 5+, the problem is even once you rank ups, it's not hard to loss a hand full of matches and your actually back below where you originally started. I think most other games at least cap the rank system where you loss experience to the start of your current rank, but don't drop below it.
I just see this as being a maddening experience, not just for me (who doesn't play a lot of ranked matches to begin with), but for other new players down the road as the game and community evolves.
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TheNinjasRock071394 Wrote:
When you are able to purchase a $500 console, a $5 character tacked on is the least of anyone's problems. It's not a money question. They don't have to buy the $20 bundle or the $40 one.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lazy? It's a question about money, not laziness. XD
TheNinjasRock071394 Wrote:
The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
The game is OK. Getting real sick of playing people online who are too lazy to buy the full game or even just a different character.
Lazy? It's a question about money, not laziness. XD
When you are able to purchase a $500 console, a $5 character tacked on is the least of anyone's problems. It's not a money question. They don't have to buy the $20 bundle or the $40 one.
After having spent $500, I'd understand if you ain't got no more money to spent on the game.
Kabal20 Wrote:
I'm pretty sure they said their arcade mode is going to be story mode.
I'm pretty sure they said their arcade mode is going to be story mode.
Pathetic. I (virtually) support this game, but releasing it without even the most basic mode is laughable. There is no need for long endings or something, just Congratulations screen. I like new KI, but Microsoft's politics messing this game as hell.
Not everyone into onine modes, some people love play singleplayer modes in the fighting games, so they are important. If regular gamers will not be attracted to the game, then there will not be continuation.
And now something more pleasant: FULGORE!!
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And many other concepts including classic costumes for the Jago and Orchid:
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
But they are finishing the game.
But they are finishing the game.
This is what bothers me the most. The fact that Microsoft intentionally released an unfinished game. Then makes you pay for the other half of what should've initially been included.
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Copy/pasted this from the DH forum:
"This whole game is a project, it is a work in progress. Why? Because Microsoft wanted the game to be a launch title, and since Double Helix have only been working on the game for about a year, they simply didn't have enough content for the game to be complete at launch.
That means DH had to be flexible and change their strategy...
THEY COULD NOT WAIT ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE RELEASING THE GAME!
THEY COULD NOT FINISH THE GAME BEFORE RELEASING IT!
IT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY!
Instead they will continue working on the game, they will continue to add to the game, make more characters etc.
Aren't you glad they are doing that instead of calling the game a finished product at launch?
I know I am. Because that means that as long we support the game, support DH, then they will keep working on the game until it is complete! And even when it is complete, they might even make even more for it and continue to expand on it!
For this to work, WE as the fans, the community, HAVE TO BE PATIENT!
I know it is not something that comes natural to us gamers. We are used to getting everything we want here and now... Gamers are basically a bunch of spoiled brats who keep demanding more and more and more, because they are never satisfied with what they get. Enough is never enough. However, for Killer Instinct to be a success and for it to become a complete product, we have to suck it up! Or else we will never get there...
We as fans, we as a community, we have a responsibility as well. We are working alongside Double Helix to make this game work! DH reached out to the community, they reached out to US from the very start, asking us for feedback and help.
So therefore, continue to support the game! Continue to support Double Helix! Continue to support Killer Instinct! And in the end, it will all be worth it.
Hopefully you guys will understand this and think beyond your own selfish wants and needs."
As this site contains the MK community rather than the KI community, this doesn't apply to everyone here, but the basic statement still applies. ^^
"This whole game is a project, it is a work in progress. Why? Because Microsoft wanted the game to be a launch title, and since Double Helix have only been working on the game for about a year, they simply didn't have enough content for the game to be complete at launch.
That means DH had to be flexible and change their strategy...
THEY COULD NOT FINISH THE GAME BEFORE RELEASING IT!
IT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY!
Instead they will continue working on the game, they will continue to add to the game, make more characters etc.
Aren't you glad they are doing that instead of calling the game a finished product at launch?
I know I am. Because that means that as long we support the game, support DH, then they will keep working on the game until it is complete! And even when it is complete, they might even make even more for it and continue to expand on it!
For this to work, WE as the fans, the community, HAVE TO BE PATIENT!
I know it is not something that comes natural to us gamers. We are used to getting everything we want here and now... Gamers are basically a bunch of spoiled brats who keep demanding more and more and more, because they are never satisfied with what they get. Enough is never enough. However, for Killer Instinct to be a success and for it to become a complete product, we have to suck it up! Or else we will never get there...
We as fans, we as a community, we have a responsibility as well. We are working alongside Double Helix to make this game work! DH reached out to the community, they reached out to US from the very start, asking us for feedback and help.
So therefore, continue to support the game! Continue to support Double Helix! Continue to support Killer Instinct! And in the end, it will all be worth it.
Hopefully you guys will understand this and think beyond your own selfish wants and needs."
As this site contains the MK community rather than the KI community, this doesn't apply to everyone here, but the basic statement still applies. ^^
If desire to buy a complete game now "is a slefish want and need", that I am indeed have selfish wants and needs.
Or somebody need to do a reality check and figure out, that not everyone want to play little shard of the big game and can be satisfied with it. And the whole thing about "gamers being spoiled brats" is bullshit.
Nowadays, when companies milk people with ridicolous and shitty "special editions" and day-one DLC (sometimes on disk) or content that was meant to be in the game, but was cut for the sake seling it as the standalone DLC to receive more money for the same amount of work, talking about gamers as a spoiled bunch is idiotic.
It is publishers who are spoiled bastards nowadays who want people buy games in parts and pay price of the full game for the each part.
KI is obvious example of marketing stuipidity and greediness. And if people disatissfied with it, it is completely normal reaction to that particular scamming scheme.
Or somebody need to do a reality check and figure out, that not everyone want to play little shard of the big game and can be satisfied with it. And the whole thing about "gamers being spoiled brats" is bullshit.
Nowadays, when companies milk people with ridicolous and shitty "special editions" and day-one DLC (sometimes on disk) or content that was meant to be in the game, but was cut for the sake seling it as the standalone DLC to receive more money for the same amount of work, talking about gamers as a spoiled bunch is idiotic.
It is publishers who are spoiled bastards nowadays who want people buy games in parts and pay price of the full game for the each part.
KI is obvious example of marketing stuipidity and greediness. And if people disatissfied with it, it is completely normal reaction to that particular scamming scheme.
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RedSumac Wrote:
If desire to buy a complete game now "is a slefish want and need", that I am indeed have selfish wants and needs.
Or somebody need to do a reality check and figure out, that not everyone want to play little shard of the big game and can be satisfied with it. And the whole thing about "gamers being spoiled brats" is bullshit.
Nowadays, when companies milk people with ridicolous and shitty "special editions" and day-one DLC (sometimes on disk) or content that was meant to be in the game, but was cut for the sake seling it as the standalone DLC to receive more money for the same amount of work, talking about gamers as a spoiled bunch is idiotic.
It is publishers who are spoiled bastards nowadays who want people buy games in parts and pay price of the full game for the each part.
KI is obvious example of marketing stuipidity and greediness. And if people disatissfied with it, it is completely normal reaction to that particular scamming scheme.
If desire to buy a complete game now "is a slefish want and need", that I am indeed have selfish wants and needs.
Or somebody need to do a reality check and figure out, that not everyone want to play little shard of the big game and can be satisfied with it. And the whole thing about "gamers being spoiled brats" is bullshit.
Nowadays, when companies milk people with ridicolous and shitty "special editions" and day-one DLC (sometimes on disk) or content that was meant to be in the game, but was cut for the sake seling it as the standalone DLC to receive more money for the same amount of work, talking about gamers as a spoiled bunch is idiotic.
It is publishers who are spoiled bastards nowadays who want people buy games in parts and pay price of the full game for the each part.
KI is obvious example of marketing stuipidity and greediness. And if people disatissfied with it, it is completely normal reaction to that particular scamming scheme.
Wrong.
Game companies may "milk" a franchise, but that's just because people are buying it! If people didn't buy it, then the game companies wouldn't do so, because there would be no money in it. They wouldn't be able to "milk" anything if people stopped buying their stuff.
And why do people buy it? Because they want more!
RedSumac, you are simply not seeing beyond your own ignorance. You think YOU are the victim, that it is only the game companies' fault that soemthing like this can happen when in reality, the gamers are equally to blame.
This isn't a scamming scheme, it is a completely viable selling strategy but it is only viable because gamers has allowed it to be. If gamers didn't buy what they are selling through this strategy, then it would not have happened.
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Copy/pasted this from the DH forum:
"This whole game is a project, it is a work in progress. Why? Because Microsoft wanted the game to be a launch title, and since Double Helix have only been working on the game for about a year, they simply didn't have enough content for the game to be complete at launch.
That means DH had to be flexible and change their strategy...
THEY COULD NOT WAIT ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE RELEASING THE GAME!
THEY COULD NOT FINISH THE GAME BEFORE RELEASING IT!
IT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY!
Instead they will continue working on the game, they will continue to add to the game, make more characters etc.
Aren't you glad they are doing that instead of calling the game a finished product at launch?
I know I am. Because that means that as long we support the game, support DH, then they will keep working on the game until it is complete! And even when it is complete, they might even make even more for it and continue to expand on it!
For this to work, WE as the fans, the community, HAVE TO BE PATIENT!
I know it is not something that comes natural to us gamers. We are used to getting everything we want here and now... Gamers are basically a bunch of spoiled brats who keep demanding more and more and more, because they are never satisfied with what they get. Enough is never enough. However, for Killer Instinct to be a success and for it to become a complete product, we have to suck it up! Or else we will never get there...
Copy/pasted this from the DH forum:
"This whole game is a project, it is a work in progress. Why? Because Microsoft wanted the game to be a launch title, and since Double Helix have only been working on the game for about a year, they simply didn't have enough content for the game to be complete at launch.
That means DH had to be flexible and change their strategy...
THEY COULD NOT FINISH THE GAME BEFORE RELEASING IT!
IT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY!
Instead they will continue working on the game, they will continue to add to the game, make more characters etc.
Aren't you glad they are doing that instead of calling the game a finished product at launch?
I know I am. Because that means that as long we support the game, support DH, then they will keep working on the game until it is complete! And even when it is complete, they might even make even more for it and continue to expand on it!
For this to work, WE as the fans, the community, HAVE TO BE PATIENT!
I know it is not something that comes natural to us gamers. We are used to getting everything we want here and now... Gamers are basically a bunch of spoiled brats who keep demanding more and more and more, because they are never satisfied with what they get. Enough is never enough. However, for Killer Instinct to be a success and for it to become a complete product, we have to suck it up! Or else we will never get there...
No one is blaming Double Helix. They're just the developers. It's Microsoft who's the problem. It's because Microsoft rushed the game so it could meet launch. Which resulted in a game that has very little content at launch, and is unfinished.
And this whole "We should be thankful we're getting anything" attitude is bullshit. You're settling for less than you deserve. If MK pulled this shit you better believe I'd bitch at them for it. If you don't speak out against bullshit like this, they'll just keep doing this shit. Know why? Because you're okay with it.
And this whole "instant gratification" garbage they're saying is also a load of crap. They're trying to use that as a justification for selling an incomplete game. I know this is the "Age of Entitlement" but you are entitled to a full game. It's not about patience, it's about getting what you deserve.
That'd be like a guy trying to sell me a coffee table that was only half finished and saying "Don't worry, the people who made it will finish it when you own it." The fuck is that shit?
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KungLaodoesntsuck Wrote:
No one is blaming Double Helix. They're just the developers. It's Microsoft who's the problem. It's because Microsoft rushed the game so it could meet launch. Which resulted in a game that has very little content at launch, and is unfinished.
And this whole "We should be thankful we're getting anything" attitude is bullshit. You're settling for less than you deserve. If MK pulled this shit you better believe I'd bitch at them for it. If you don't speak out against bullshit like this, they'll just keep doing this shit. Know why? Because you're okay with it.
And this whole "instant gratification" garbage they're saying is also a load of crap. They're trying to use that as a justification for selling an incomplete game. I know this is the "Age of Entitlement" but you are entitled to a full game. It's not about patience, it's about getting what you deserve.
That'd be like a guy trying to sell me a coffee table that was only half finished and saying "Don't worry, the people who made it will finish it when you own it." The fuck is that shit?
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Copy/pasted this from the DH forum:
"This whole game is a project, it is a work in progress. Why? Because Microsoft wanted the game to be a launch title, and since Double Helix have only been working on the game for about a year, they simply didn't have enough content for the game to be complete at launch.
That means DH had to be flexible and change their strategy...
THEY COULD NOT WAIT ANOTHER YEAR BEFORE RELEASING THE GAME!
THEY COULD NOT FINISH THE GAME BEFORE RELEASING IT!
IT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY!
Instead they will continue working on the game, they will continue to add to the game, make more characters etc.
Aren't you glad they are doing that instead of calling the game a finished product at launch?
I know I am. Because that means that as long we support the game, support DH, then they will keep working on the game until it is complete! And even when it is complete, they might even make even more for it and continue to expand on it!
For this to work, WE as the fans, the community, HAVE TO BE PATIENT!
I know it is not something that comes natural to us gamers. We are used to getting everything we want here and now... Gamers are basically a bunch of spoiled brats who keep demanding more and more and more, because they are never satisfied with what they get. Enough is never enough. However, for Killer Instinct to be a success and for it to become a complete product, we have to suck it up! Or else we will never get there...
Copy/pasted this from the DH forum:
"This whole game is a project, it is a work in progress. Why? Because Microsoft wanted the game to be a launch title, and since Double Helix have only been working on the game for about a year, they simply didn't have enough content for the game to be complete at launch.
That means DH had to be flexible and change their strategy...
THEY COULD NOT FINISH THE GAME BEFORE RELEASING IT!
IT WAS NOT A POSSIBILITY!
Instead they will continue working on the game, they will continue to add to the game, make more characters etc.
Aren't you glad they are doing that instead of calling the game a finished product at launch?
I know I am. Because that means that as long we support the game, support DH, then they will keep working on the game until it is complete! And even when it is complete, they might even make even more for it and continue to expand on it!
For this to work, WE as the fans, the community, HAVE TO BE PATIENT!
I know it is not something that comes natural to us gamers. We are used to getting everything we want here and now... Gamers are basically a bunch of spoiled brats who keep demanding more and more and more, because they are never satisfied with what they get. Enough is never enough. However, for Killer Instinct to be a success and for it to become a complete product, we have to suck it up! Or else we will never get there...
No one is blaming Double Helix. They're just the developers. It's Microsoft who's the problem. It's because Microsoft rushed the game so it could meet launch. Which resulted in a game that has very little content at launch, and is unfinished.
And this whole "We should be thankful we're getting anything" attitude is bullshit. You're settling for less than you deserve. If MK pulled this shit you better believe I'd bitch at them for it. If you don't speak out against bullshit like this, they'll just keep doing this shit. Know why? Because you're okay with it.
And this whole "instant gratification" garbage they're saying is also a load of crap. They're trying to use that as a justification for selling an incomplete game. I know this is the "Age of Entitlement" but you are entitled to a full game. It's not about patience, it's about getting what you deserve.
That'd be like a guy trying to sell me a coffee table that was only half finished and saying "Don't worry, the people who made it will finish it when you own it." The fuck is that shit?
We completely agree on it being Microsoft's fault that DH has to settle with this selling strategy. But because Microsoft was so hellbent on making KI a launch game, I'd say DH are doing a hella good job in bending the rules to make the game the best it can be.
And no, it is not the same as if you're buying furniture, because this isn't a material component, it is digital which makes it possible to upgrade, update and complete it over time without stressing us as customers. All we need to do is download the latest patches and expansions.
The thing is, DH COULD have said that the released game was the complete game and then that was it. Luckily, that is not the case. They had to comply Microsoft, but they also grabbed the opportunity to continue building on the game after its release.
As said, they didn't have the possibility to finish the game before its release, so they made a change in strategy. And it is a completely viable strategy, one that many other fighting game franchises are seizing as well. Dead or Alive, Tekken and Soul Calibur are following this strategy as well with their latest games, making the game fully downloadable, but only with a handful of characters and then we can buy the other characters on the side, choosing only a few or the whole pack.
I wouldn't mind if NRS did this as well. As long they present a full package along with it whenever the full game was complete, then I don't see a problem with it. Because then those who would rather have a complete game can just wait to buy it and the rest of us can play what is available as it reaches completion
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
It's a virtually free game that is able to match the quality standards of $60 fighting games. If Jago's not your main, then it's $5 game. Even at the $20 price tag, it's still a hell of a deal. Endings and single-player modes are great and all, but their value expires after a month of ownership (and that's being generous, honestly; for people like us, it's probably more like a week and half).
As critics, we need to stop judging fighting games based on modes that don't matter on a long-term basis. They're important, but they are not the final authority on a fighting game's value. The gameplay and art design go way further.
m0s3pH Wrote:
And yet Game Informer gave the game an 8.75. Simply laughable.
And yet Game Informer gave the game an 8.75. Simply laughable.
It's a virtually free game that is able to match the quality standards of $60 fighting games. If Jago's not your main, then it's $5 game. Even at the $20 price tag, it's still a hell of a deal. Endings and single-player modes are great and all, but their value expires after a month of ownership (and that's being generous, honestly; for people like us, it's probably more like a week and half).
As critics, we need to stop judging fighting games based on modes that don't matter on a long-term basis. They're important, but they are not the final authority on a fighting game's value. The gameplay and art design go way further.
And if you don't have Live Gold, KI is just about worthless at the moment. You have Practice and Survival, modes that while entertaining I'm sure, you don't really improve at a fighting game unless you play against live competition. You make a good point about not judging games on modes, but we also shouldn't judge fighting games solely on the opinions of tournament players. That doesn't do anybody any good.
Microsoft should've remembered how messy Halo 4 (which was released unfinished) was for the first six months and delayed KI. Halo 4 lost a lot of its player base before it really became complete, and while KI might avoid that, you still shouldn't release an unfinished product.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
RedSumac, you are simply not seeing beyond your own ignorance. You think YOU are the victim, that it is only the game companies' fault that soemthing like this can happen when in reality, the gamers are equally to blame. This isn't a scamming scheme, it is a completely viable selling strategy but it is only viable because gamers has allowed it to be. If gamers didn't buy what they are selling through this strategy, then it would not have happened.
RedSumac, you are simply not seeing beyond your own ignorance. You think YOU are the victim, that it is only the game companies' fault that soemthing like this can happen when in reality, the gamers are equally to blame. This isn't a scamming scheme, it is a completely viable selling strategy but it is only viable because gamers has allowed it to be. If gamers didn't buy what they are selling through this strategy, then it would not have happened.
Oh, so decision of other people make me ignorant? What is this? Lack of logic or ignorance of yours? I never supported such schemes and always was against such things. It's obviously that its not problem of the companies only, but also problem of really ignorant people who want to be scammed and tricked, like you for example.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
And no, it is not the same as if you're buying furniture, because this isn't a material component, it is digital which makes it possible to upgrade, update and complete it over time without stressing us as customers. All we need to do is download the latest patches and expansions.
And no, it is not the same as if you're buying furniture, because this isn't a material component, it is digital which makes it possible to upgrade, update and complete it over time without stressing us as customers. All we need to do is download the latest patches and expansions.
It's the same shit. Table aslo could be upgraded if it be neccesary. And it's not only about the product being incomplete, it's also about that MS demand almost full price for an obviously incomplete thing. Gamers will have much less stress, if they receive complete and adequate product for the adequate price and not unfinished something, that maybe will never be finalized in the first place.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I wouldn't mind if NRS did this as well. As long they present a full package along with it whenever the full game was complete, then I don't see a problem with it.
I wouldn't mind if NRS did this as well. As long they present a full package along with it whenever the full game was complete, then I don't see a problem with it.
As I said before - such schemes exist because people like to swallow this shit. Good luck being tricked. But if NRS will pull out this shit, they could count me out of people who will buy new MK right after release as I did with MK9.
And about Tekken, Soul Calibur and DOA: it's not the same. Learn your math. Soul Calibur: Lost Swords is singleplayer only and doesn't mean to be taken as the next regular installment of the series. Tekken: Revolution was released only a year after new Tekken Tag Tournament game and the same goes for DOA. Your arguments are faulty, because those F2P projects are merely temporal things not meant to be taken as new serious installments for their respective series.
Try as you might there is no logical justification for such things. It is only because ignorant people want to pay for them, but for everyone with a half of brain it is obvious that it is much better to pay for the finished product and enjoy it to its fullest, rather then buy beta and wait for the other stuff to come...someday. And opinions of the tournament players is not meant to be taken as absolute: their could play stick figures, as long as it have online and good gameplay, which is obviously not enough for a regular gamers and popularity of the game in general.
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RedSumac Wrote:
Oh, so decision of other people make me ignorant? What is this? Lack of logic or ignorance of yours? I never supported such schemes and always was against such things. It's obviously that its not problem of the companies only, but also problem of really ignorant people who want to be scammed and tricked, like you for example.
It's the same shit. Table aslo could be upgraded if it be neccesary. And it's not only about the product being incomplete, it's also about that MS demand almost full price for an obviously incomplete thing. Gamers will have much less stress, if they receive complete and adequate product for the adequate price and not unfinished something, that maybe will never be finalized in the first place.
As I said before - such schemes exist because people like to swallow this shit. Good luck being tricked. But if NRS will pull out this shit, they could count me out of people who will buy new MK right after release as I did with MK9.
And about Tekken, Soul Calibur and DOA: it's not the same. Learn your math. Soul Calibur: Lost Swords is singleplayer only and doesn't mean to be taken as the next regular installment of the series. Tekken: Revolution was released only a year after new Tekken Tag Tournament game and the same goes for DOA. Your arguments are faulty, because those F2P projects are merely temporal things not meant to be taken as new serious installments for their respective series.
Try as you might there is no logical justification for such things. It is only because ignorant people want to pay for them, but for everyone with a half of brain it is obvious that it is much better to pay for the finished product and enjoy it to its fullest, rather then buy beta and wait for the other stuff to come...someday.
And opinions of the tournament players is not meant to be taken as absolute: their could play stick figures, as long as it have online and good gameplay, which is obviously not enough for a regular gamers and popularity of the game in general.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
RedSumac, you are simply not seeing beyond your own ignorance. You think YOU are the victim, that it is only the game companies' fault that soemthing like this can happen when in reality, the gamers are equally to blame. This isn't a scamming scheme, it is a completely viable selling strategy but it is only viable because gamers has allowed it to be. If gamers didn't buy what they are selling through this strategy, then it would not have happened.
RedSumac, you are simply not seeing beyond your own ignorance. You think YOU are the victim, that it is only the game companies' fault that soemthing like this can happen when in reality, the gamers are equally to blame. This isn't a scamming scheme, it is a completely viable selling strategy but it is only viable because gamers has allowed it to be. If gamers didn't buy what they are selling through this strategy, then it would not have happened.
Oh, so decision of other people make me ignorant? What is this? Lack of logic or ignorance of yours? I never supported such schemes and always was against such things. It's obviously that its not problem of the companies only, but also problem of really ignorant people who want to be scammed and tricked, like you for example.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
And no, it is not the same as if you're buying furniture, because this isn't a material component, it is digital which makes it possible to upgrade, update and complete it over time without stressing us as customers. All we need to do is download the latest patches and expansions.
And no, it is not the same as if you're buying furniture, because this isn't a material component, it is digital which makes it possible to upgrade, update and complete it over time without stressing us as customers. All we need to do is download the latest patches and expansions.
It's the same shit. Table aslo could be upgraded if it be neccesary. And it's not only about the product being incomplete, it's also about that MS demand almost full price for an obviously incomplete thing. Gamers will have much less stress, if they receive complete and adequate product for the adequate price and not unfinished something, that maybe will never be finalized in the first place.
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I wouldn't mind if NRS did this as well. As long they present a full package along with it whenever the full game was complete, then I don't see a problem with it.
I wouldn't mind if NRS did this as well. As long they present a full package along with it whenever the full game was complete, then I don't see a problem with it.
As I said before - such schemes exist because people like to swallow this shit. Good luck being tricked. But if NRS will pull out this shit, they could count me out of people who will buy new MK right after release as I did with MK9.
And about Tekken, Soul Calibur and DOA: it's not the same. Learn your math. Soul Calibur: Lost Swords is singleplayer only and doesn't mean to be taken as the next regular installment of the series. Tekken: Revolution was released only a year after new Tekken Tag Tournament game and the same goes for DOA. Your arguments are faulty, because those F2P projects are merely temporal things not meant to be taken as new serious installments for their respective series.
Try as you might there is no logical justification for such things. It is only because ignorant people want to pay for them, but for everyone with a half of brain it is obvious that it is much better to pay for the finished product and enjoy it to its fullest, rather then buy beta and wait for the other stuff to come...someday.
And opinions of the tournament players is not meant to be taken as absolute: their could play stick figures, as long as it have online and good gameplay, which is obviously not enough for a regular gamers and popularity of the game in general.
You are entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with you.
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I'm just going to say that this game will most likely die fast. Not because it's bad, but because it lacks too much content. Few months from now the hype will have died and everyone will move on onto the next hype game.
Also, it is a fighting game, most people don't really care about being good at the game, just play it casually.
Being console exclusive doesn't really help either, and Spinal and Fulgore won't help much to bring excitement to the game.
Also, it is a fighting game, most people don't really care about being good at the game, just play it casually.
Being console exclusive doesn't really help either, and Spinal and Fulgore won't help much to bring excitement to the game.
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GodlyShinnok Wrote:
I'm just going to say that this game will most likely die fast. Not because it's bad, but because it lacks too much content. Few months from now the hype will have died and everyone will move on onto the next hype game.
Also, it is a fighting game, most people don't really care about being good at the game, just play it casually.
Being console exclusive doesn't really help either, and Spinal and Fulgore won't help much to bring excitement to the game.
I'm just going to say that this game will most likely die fast. Not because it's bad, but because it lacks too much content. Few months from now the hype will have died and everyone will move on onto the next hype game.
Also, it is a fighting game, most people don't really care about being good at the game, just play it casually.
Being console exclusive doesn't really help either, and Spinal and Fulgore won't help much to bring excitement to the game.
There will also be a season 2 with 8 more characters coming along next year. As said, this game is a work in progress. Hopefully people will recognize that and pick up on it as it evolves.
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In 2013 there is absolutely no excuse to release a fighting game with less than a dozen characters and no story mode/arcade mode. Tekken Revolution is a free game AND it has more characters AND an arcade mode.
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