First off, live stream tonight of MvsC3 for all those interested.


Tron is sort of in the same boat as Shuma Gorath. I wouldn't have picked her for MvsC3, but I'll enjoy her now that she's in. On my list, she actually ranked really high.

As for X-23 and She-Hulk... I'm definitely tempted to add Trish to that list. From a gameplay perspective, does she really sell anything unique, or at least anything that's essential to her? I kinda feel Dante was all the DMC we needed. Even if she does offer something new to the table, it would have to be elements significant enough to warrant leaving out classics such as Psylocke or Strider. No one can really make that call yet, but it's not looking great for her right now.


I wouldn't have such a problem with Felicia if there wasn't such a wealth of good Darkstalkers.

Sentinel is a tangled ball of yarn. You could make the gameplay argument, but I don't see why Capcom couldn't transfer his moves to a new character. That's not even the point, anyway. Sentinel is in because he's a salute the MvsC2 tournament scene. Everyone's got to decide themselves if that's adequate justification.


Not a Hulk fan, but he does offer decent gameplay diversity.


Think you might a bit premature on that, Cake Man. With a little creativity, Ghost Rider could have gone a long way. Everyone brings up the same counter-example: the chains. Chain combat would have been hella sweet. Throw a fire projectile in there, and you have a solid character.

S-kill has repeatedly said she was one of the strongest--if not the strongest--characters in the game. I think a character with indestructible traps that hit even during super jumps or freeze the opponent in the air is pretty Mahvel. I've heard all her assists run the gambit between good and great and that she can DHC out of her tracking, Sparda-blade super which will do insanely good chip/damage with Ryu's shinku or Strom's hail. I don't see what the problem is.

And you could seriously apply that kind of logic to almost everybody: Why is Wesker in instead of Strider? What new stuff is Wesker bringing in that warrants leaving out Strider? Why wasn't Strider Capcom's teleporting, in-your-face badass? Or why is Deadpool in instead of Cable? What's so great about Slade Wilson's keep away? Hell, why is Arthur in over MegaMan? With all the powers MM has at his disposal they could've easily done the same thing with him as they did with Arthur.

That type of thinking is a pretty slippery slope.

I just think almost all of this comes down to people who're not happy about their character of choice being glanced over for someone else. I mean, there isn't anything wrong with being bummed your favorite didn't make the cut, but...well you already know.

But those are gameplay contingencies. Any character with a similar template could have those properties. I say similar template because of course, some character concepts like Hulk or serverbot are limited to certain categories. It comes to the point where one is not really defending a character but a structure of gameplay attributes.


It does apply to everybody. I think that's a genuine question: why was Strider omitted over *pick any rushdown/mix-up character*

That's not a rhetorical question, either. Seriously, what is the final standard for picking one character over another? I mean, I'm tempted to say it's a healthy mix of art design, fan popularity, and gameplay function. Under this general standard, does Trish pass the test? I'm leaning towards no.

The question is, am I using the wrong standard, or have I simply misused the right one?

I was under the impression that gameplay was what your entire post was about. You didn't give any indication of anything otherwise. There's no way I'm gonna defend the aesthetic merits of leather-clad blond bombshell #982357293. But I'm not sure what you mean by "contingencies" unless you're speaking philosophically. And if that's the case then I am completely out classed.




I'm calling it now that Strider will be DLC for the sheer $$$ factor of him.



If it would've been me who got to decide MvC3's roster in the first place, Trish probably wouldn't have been on it; nor would X-23 or Shulk or even Sent in COTA. But if I thought your post was beyond "what's the value of Trish's gameplay" and on into art design or popularity, I would've just left it since I'm one of the few who find characters with designs like Psylocke or Wolverine to be utterly boring, while in contrast, I find freaks like MODOK or Amingo much more entertaining. Well, that and because we had this conversation once before.

What the hell? They're characters in a game. I don't want one of them in, I want the other one in. Is that so hard for you to follow? Wow, I'm amazed you can operate a computer.

Zent, you can't replace a Capcom character with a Marvel character. Saying you want Hsien Ko replaced by Cyclops doesn't make sense.

Gameplay and character design have sort of a body and soul relationship in my eyes. Kinda why I feel you can use the latter to justify the former, but not vice versa. That's also why it's hard for me to separate the two (even though that's what I ended up doing in my previous post). As for Trish, I like her in the sense that MvC3 needs a balance of cool, sexy, cute, and hammy. She's certainly nice to look at, but for that specific role, there were better designs.


Based off your post, you got the idea. Formally speaking, I'm not technically using the word right anyway. It's just a convenient term. By gameplay contingency, all I mean is a gameplay property (ex: projectile) that could be assigned to any character. Shin Hadouken is a gameplay contingency because it could be given to Hulk, as absurd as that would look. Truthfully, every move in the game is a gameplay contingency.


I can't help but to think Mega Man X secured the spot.


Truth be told, I know nothing about Trish. Devil May Cry 1 was stupid hard, and my pain threshold is only so high. If Capcom wanted a character who was fappable, I think they were better off gutting Psylocke and putting Trish's gameplay structure inside her.

I didn't really think of this when I first read your post, but don't you think sacrificing Psylocke's already established playing style for Trish's would be pretty pointless? I mean, that'd be like making Strider play like MODOK. You'd be going the opposite direction of the character's original style for no real reason at all. It'd be better if Psy was just in her original form.

Ideally, you're right, but what's the alternative? I guess it really depends on why she didn't make the cut, but if it was for gameplay diversity, then bringing back Psylocke (as she was in MvsC2) is a moot point. It's no longer a choice between Psylocke w/ classic gameplay and Psylocke w/ revised gameplay; it's a choice between Psylocke w/ revised gameplay or no Psylocke at all.

It would hurt me to do it, but it just comes down to how badly fans want Psylocke. Poor Classic Mega Man is burning in Crossover Hell for similar reasons. The tragedy is that Psylocke actually aged well and is a lot of fun to play with. Cyclops, IMO, did not. That is a character who I wouldn't want at all without serious revisions (sorry, Zentile).

So if gameplay diversity is where you're at now; how is using Trish's style to replace Psy's not pointless? How isn't Trish's Storm-ish keep away, 8 way dash and flight mode not impeding said diversity. I think you may be painting Psy--and the variation of playstyles in general--with a pretty broad brush. In MvC3, Chun isn't the be-all end-all with rushdown and Chris isn't the be-all end-all with keep away. If that wasn't the case we wouldn't have Magnus, Wesker, DP or Dormammu. There's plenty of room for variation and the roster itself shows that Capcom doesn't have a problem with putting two characters with similar attributes together. So I really don't know where these absolutes are coming from. Maybe I'm missing something you're trying to say.





I genuinely have to ask: Why do you like Psylocke so much? Because I find her to be just yet another typical superwoman with the same leotard and long hair in a line of many others. If the crux of what you're saying is about popularity (even though that's not my favorite metric for validity) then that's fine, but I just don't really get Psy.

There's an ambiguity in what I wrote. I need to clarify the following line:

"...but if it was for gameplay diversity, then bringing back Psylocke (as she was in MvsC2) is a moot point"


What I meant was that it's a moot point because fans weren't going to get the MvsC2 version anyway... if taht was the case. Gameplay diversity is merely my guess. I have no idea why they cut Psylocke. I pretty much agree with the above. All I was getting at is a gutted Psylocke is better than no Psylocke.

Depending on why she was not in the initial roster will determine what it would take to get in her in the picture, if even possible. If the fans want Psylocke, they might have to make a few sacrifices.


For me personally, Psylocke's character execution is really interesting. The idea of the "psychic blade" is already very cool, and when it's contained if a tastefully sexy British chick who has a healthy combination of emotional strength and sensitivity, everything just gels. She's a cliche, but a well-executed cliche. Way back in the day, I didn't read comics and there was no wikipedia yet, so I basically read these long comic summaries on the net. Psylocke was my favorite. I especially loved the Mojo story thread. If Mick or XiahouDun84 want to chime in here, I'd be curious to see if they agree or disagree.

The second reason is (despite all I've said) her gameplay. I mained her in Marvel Super Heroes, but it's basically been love at first sight since Children of the Atom.

The third reason, of course, is boobs.

That's all you had to say.

LOL! I have to chime in on Betsy... she does looks like a generic leotardite ninja chick... but you gotta think that she is one of the original ones!!! At least in the mainstream comic world. We had broads in swimsuits, lol granted, but Psylocke took it as her own to a whole different level. Her story is messy as fuck, which also makes her cool! Claremont may have a crazy ass mind, but if he left the world w something god, it ́s Psylocke.

she has been copied 1000 times, the psyblade was hers first... and many have taken the look and idea of it. She doesnt have a fanbase as large as Storms or other characters, but her base is one of the strongest!!!

I was always disappointed she didnt have a more significant role in the animated series... and that her role in the movie was really shameful.

Eh, I don't think a good story warrants her being featured in a fighting game. In my opinion, FGs are a genre where story is at the lower part of a long list of priorities. If we were talking about an RPG I could see your point, but the entire purpose of MvC3 is the fighting. Her story isn't going to blow me away when it's confined within a 30 second ending and a half assed promotional comic.

morrigan looks fun as hell to play as with her ability to bring up combo bar along with making another version of herself to attack the opponnet.

wish i'd see some more felicia footage but i don't see it happening until the game comes out.

i will say a huge team that will be seeing alot online is deadpool/wesker/dante
zero/trish/tron
along with more of the rush characters, and projectile ones.

me i'll be using
akuma/ryu/hulk
chun li/morrigan/felicia
storm/phoenix/she hulk
wesker/chris redfield/jill
dante/trish/deadpool

these will be my main teams.

i'd wish there were more darkstalker characters but i don't see it happenning.

by the way you guys have you been watching the tournament of mvc3 at gamespot.com if not go check it out.

One more week! (Even though I won't receive it till the following week).

for all those who missed the galactus video you can check it out at ign.com.

also theres a new video of wolverine at ign.com along with the entire roster.

also talk of nintendo vs capcom at ign.com

i hope to see some videos of hsien ko in action.

my 1st team i'll explore is morrigan/felicia/hsien ko.

darkstalkers all the way.

hope you enjoy.

Nintendo vs. Capcom would be too awesome.

This game better not be dial-a-combo or fuck it. This is just my speculation but it is also a fear among the mvc2 OGs. Granted, this is only based on the recent vids but I hope it doesn't turn out this way.

Is this the twilight zone or something? I want Cyclops in, I want Hsiek Ko out. Is that so hard to grasp?

I want Cyclops too. He's hot and cool.

If he's DLC, I'm buyin'. I just hope they don't copy all his moves from previous games like Storm and Magneto.

We should get at least 2 X-Men for DLC imo, one male and one female.

The schoolgirl represents your innocence.

That's one of the most normal Japanese ads I've ever seen.

I normally not a fan of these videos (I don't even agree with this one's base message), but I found this pretty funny.