Cyborg Reptile
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MKHIZANK
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Vash_15
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04/01/2009 02:31 AM (UTC)
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Not good, no depth or shading, and it looks like a simple recolor and mash up of existing MK3 renders.
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MKHIZANK
04/02/2009 02:52 PM (UTC)
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you just love bashing my work don't you.
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Ninja_Mime
04/02/2009 05:00 PM (UTC)
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Vash_15 Wrote:
Not good, no depth or shading, and it looks like a simple recolor and mash up of existing MK3 renders.


How about instead of just bashing everything this guy does, you give some advice on how the images could be improved?

This is far from perfect, but I don't see you producing any high quality artwork. Which would be fine, if you knew how to give constructive criticism. But you don't.
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MKRocket
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04/02/2009 05:55 PM (UTC)
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Vash_15 Wrote:
Not good, no depth or shading, and it looks like a simple recolor and mash up of existing MK3 renders.


I'm sensing a trend here and it's not the artist's lackluster work. Get over yourself, you're not helping anyone.

Tell him how to add depth and shading...

To the artist, my advice to you is to seek out reference material when trying to create realistic shading and details. The problem with your piece here is that you have no depth because the contrast between bordering colors is too great. Try building up the edges, adding more darks AND more lights.

Only thing else I will say is that to keep working at it and don't be downtrodden by negative comments from people.
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Zentile
04/02/2009 07:33 PM (UTC)
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I disagree with the two posters above me. Vash (or anyone else for that matters) doesn't have to know how to fix things in order to know their wrong, and if he doesn't like the art and he explains why he doesn't like it, I don't see anything wrong with what he's doing.


I don't know how to fix the Cyborg Reptile "art", but I sure as hell know it's ugly.
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Vash_15
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04/02/2009 09:47 PM (UTC)
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MKHIZANK Wrote:
you just love bashing my work don't you.


I'm not saying I don't like it, I'm saying that you just need to improve a bit.
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Icebaby
04/02/2009 10:38 PM (UTC)
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Dude, criticism is criticism, you can't handle what people wrtie then stop posting your work on the site. Not every user needs to tell how to improve on your art. Even though I'm a tad bit late in saying this...

Anyways... the picture seems too dark, it seems a bit blurry in places and in my perspective because of the green blurriness you have at his feet, it looks like you made his feet on backwards.

Did you color the green armor on his chest because it doesn't seem lined up at all.

Ways to improve: I suggest next time use brighter colors on the subject or don't use a dark background with a character that has dark colors.
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MKHIZANK
04/02/2009 11:53 PM (UTC)
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ok, Zentile and Vash, what have i done to offend you, i agree with the two posters above Zentile who say ur not being constructive at all, you just have something in for me and just verbally Bash my work, take the piss out of it generally, i don't understand what i've done to offend you two but you have a personal grudge against me and can't actually muster the respect or maturity to even lend a hand, rather than telling me next steps, wanting me to improve my "art" as u call it Zentile, which i assume is something you want, u just bash it and make fun of it. These comments are annoying and will not continue to go un noticed.
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04/02/2009 11:59 PM (UTC)
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They dont hate your work,they are giving you tips on how to improve it.
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Zentile
04/03/2009 12:01 AM (UTC)
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MKHIZANK Wrote:
ok, Zentile and Vash, what have i done to offend you, i agree with the two posters above Zentile who say ur not being constructive at all, you just have something in for me and just verbally Bash my work, take the piss out of it generally, i don't understand what i've done to offend you two but you have a personal grudge against me and can't actually muster the respect or maturity to even lend a hand, rather than telling me next steps, wanting me to improve my "art" as u call it Zentile, which i assume is something you want, u just bash it and make fun of it. These comments are annoying and will not continue to go un noticed.


What the fuck is wrong with you.
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MKHIZANK
04/03/2009 12:11 AM (UTC)
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ok...swearing can be avoided with some deep breathes....and what is wrong with me?

im not the one going round, when i have no work even posted on this site, bashing into people and double teaming people u dont even know with other users, Vash_15 seems to be ur preferable ally at this time. There appears to be very little if not no constructive criticism being inputted here, rather just bash after random bash for no justified reason.
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illu§ion
04/03/2009 12:34 AM (UTC)
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Let's all stop fighting for me and get back to the topic.
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Vash_15
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04/03/2009 01:15 AM (UTC)
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MKHIZANK Wrote:
ok...swearing can be avoided with some deep breathes....and what is wrong with me?

im not the one going round, when i have no work even posted on this site, bashing into people and double teaming people u dont even know with other users, Vash_15 seems to be ur preferable ally at this time. There appears to be very little if not no constructive criticism being inputted here, rather just bash after random bash for no justified reason.


Before I get back on topic, couple things you should know.

-No work? I make sigs for people (the little thigns below people's posts)
-Zentile is truthful, he's normally one of the more reliable critics
-We're criticizing, which is when we comment on what we think then tell you how to improve it. Bashing would be saying "Oh god this sucks get off and never post anything again.








With that said, my opinion stands firm. Look at some other stuff people have done, for render editing, ermac187 would be a good reference.
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fedegita
04/03/2009 03:40 AM (UTC)
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You didn't really do anything. Just took an existing picture, changed the colour and added stripes and stuff.

There isn't really anything to critique here, other than the fact that you should just make your own work.
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04/03/2009 06:48 AM (UTC)
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(EDIT: This response doesn't apply solely to this post, but in general. )
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Dude, criticism is criticism, you can't handle what people wrtie then stop posting your work on the site. Not every user needs to tell how to improve on your art.

That's what's wrong with this forum. There isn't enough guidance to improve people's output. I'm sure you would be defensive of your work as well. Put yourself in his shoes, he keeps reading the same thing, thread after thread, with hardly anyone giving pointers WITH their criticism. If the world was perfect, all art critics would be experienced artists and people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about wouldn't be able to just be like "This sucks, you didn't do anything" every 5 seconds. But the world isn't perfect, so I'll deal with, but doesn't mean I have to be completely tolerant.

While I do believe a harsh approach is okay at times, repetitive non-constructive criticism gets no one anywhere.

Would you want to be bashed without being aided by it in the process?

Didn't think so. Quit being assholes about his artwork if you have no idea what you're talking about or have no comments to help him improve. If you want to put in a word, fine, but don't be a complete douche for the sole cause of pleasing your ego.

This is a community to enjoy and produce art, why would anyone without experience WANT to post here when they get shit on every 5 seconds by people?

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04/04/2009 03:07 AM (UTC)
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MKHIZANK Wrote:
you just love bashing my work don't you.


I see no problems with the criticisms that you have received other than the fact that there isn't a lot of guidance associated with the criticism.

Basically, it's just the simple difference between criticism, and constructive criticism; but I see no bashing though. I'd say keep putting up art, but at the same time, be able to separate the bs comments from actual critiques.

When people are telling you that they don't like something about the art that is specific, they're not bashing you, they're letting you know (inadvertently) what not to do, or what to pay more attention to in the next piece of art that you post up. See what I mean?

--Now, what's wrong with your art?

1.) It is pretty bad. It almost automatically gets knocked because it's not your original art. Which makes it a manipulation. Which is fine if it is, you just have to do more to make it something unique. When you manipulate something, the end product needs to be dramatically different in some way, shape, or form. This speaks to your style.

2.) I can't tell what your style is supposed to be with this thing. Look up some of MKRocket's stuff on this site to get a sense for his style. Other members of this site that are excellent are Aculeus, or JAX007. Search for them and others under the Fan Submission tab, here, at the top of any page on this site.

3.) What program(s) are you using to do your art?

4.) What you did wrong and how do you fix it?:

5.) Simply Color Swapped - Neon green requires more manipulation in order to be convincing. If you're using Phototshop, get familiar with three things:

:: ALOT of layers and folders. You mind as well get used to them because they organize the parts of your image, and let you effectively create..."art" in Photoshop.

- Creating a layer that only has a black and white (desaturated) version of the image on it. And work from there.

- Layer Mask and Fill or Adjustment Mask. These will let you manipulate your image without destroying your image at the same time. You get to manipulate these layers, instead of your base image. They make a huge difference.

6.) Used sharpen//clarify and blur too much, and in the wrong places. Try lowering the opacity//percentage of output on that tool, and be alot more careful when using it. Don't just go in willy nilly with those things because image quality is key at the end of the day.

7.) Besides his chest plate looking coarse and pixleated because you sharpened it too much, the way you drew the lines on him with the pencil or brush tool looks really sloppy.

To fix this problem, get really familiar with one principle: Light and Dark or Black and White.

:: Black and White // Light and Dark create the illusion of "reality" if you get good enough at this. Even if the image is "cartoony".

8.) You only used the default filter textures. The problem with doing that, is that so many people do that, we can tell right off that it's what you did. Which knocks your art even more, because it looks cheap and effortless.

The key is to hide it some way if you decide to simple use the defaults. But the general rule is to not use them at all. You want to try to make your art so that people can't understand what you did to get your image to look like it does. And in a positive way.

9.) Went too hard on the neon green shadow. Take it easy with this, it's an easy indicator that you tried to hide something else inadequate in the image.

10.) When you use liquify, use it more carefully. You want it to look natural.

-- Go here and search around for some good, simple tutorials. Do as many of them as you can tolerate if Photoshop is the program that you're using. The objective is to get really familiar with the tools.

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And no, I'm not a "photoshop guru" by any means.
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Sub_ZER0
04/04/2009 03:57 AM (UTC)
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lmao...

Anyways...imo, if I were going to make a Cyber Reptile, I would go for a more "Predator" look. Try to incorporate his primal form, just make the thing look beastly.

When I see this, how do I know this is Reptile? It's a green cyborg; there is no trace of Reptile in it. Hence Smoke; his body is basically made of, smoke.

Of course...it seems that making an original, complex piece of art is out of your cup of tea; but trust me, I'm no artist either.

From what I've seen, it looks like you just edit already made artwork in Photoshop or something of the sort.
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05/06/2009 08:57 PM (UTC)
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It looks pretty good, just needs to be bit less blurry.
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Armitage
05/06/2009 11:44 PM (UTC)
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Don't mind the critics, some are truthful, some just post ignorant comments and call it criticism, when it's actually just plain insulting. I guess some people just lack empathy.

Anyways...

The pic is a bit blurry, and the chest plate looks like it was edited with MS paint, but the initial concept is good, though probably not original. Keep trying though, you'll get better.

There's one thing about the bio I would fix, and that is that the Lin Kuei wouldn't likely recreate the cyborg development as the clan is now lead by Sub-Zero, and for him to allow for the return of the cyborg development would make him a hypocrite, as he originally left the clan because of this.

In MKA, Reptile was in the Red Dragon clan fortress, though why he was there isn't really known. The Red Dragon could be capable of turning Reptile into a Cyborg, as they do plenty of experiments, and he is loosely tied by that konquest storyline to the Red Dragon. Perhaps associate them with Reptile's automation? Just a thought.



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SEGAmaniac7
05/11/2009 09:14 PM (UTC)
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it not very well done. there is no detail in body whatsoever. just plain lines. it not creative and i can tell not much work was put into it. i suggest u take more time and add some details in the suit. also the pic is a bit blurry. u shouldnt make him look like all the other robot ninjas like sector, cyrax. give him a somewhat replillic look. u need to practice more with photoshop if thats what ur using.

1.5/5
so keep trying and practice more. you should put more work and effort into ur art.
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AngelOfTheFallen
07/06/2009 03:14 AM (UTC)
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rabble rabble rabble...

Seriously, Vash and Zentile are not being dicks. Being a dick who has it in for you is this:

Your work sucks, you fail at life, go jump off a bridge.

They told you what they didn't like, next time do the opposite of the negatives to fix it. It isn't hard to put two and two together. Vash is doing a respectable job and seems to have become a well rounded member of the forum since he joined. It'd be best to heed his word instead of rejecting his critiscms.

Now, if you actually make some art of your own (not cut and paste jobs with some minimal atmosphere) you would get more praise.
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07/07/2009 04:43 AM (UTC)
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Ay dios mio...

The purpose of the Fan Submission forum isn't to see who's right about what, or who's being a dick, so shut the hell up about it! Save it for the General Discussion section.

If you can't take any criticism, don't bother posting anything, and if you can't be the least bit respectful on the other end, don't bother posting either.

Better yet, if you don't like how the art looks, just stay out of the thread.

All this arguing is not what this forum section is here for, so save your virtual toughness for another lifetime.




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orion007
10/20/2011 01:51 AM (UTC)
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I think its fine the way it is and it could be improved with more practice keep up the work.wink
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orion007
10/20/2011 01:53 AM (UTC)
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I agree with you Riyakou you tell them
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