Yeah, sure. Let's take time to prevent the end of the world...no problem. Why Raiden should care about Deadly Aliiance, which killed his allies, why care about Onaga's ressurection? Nah. Let's just chill out until then. Oh, by the way, Raiden will die and will be ressurected as Dark Raiden, I guess it's also meaningless.
It's much better to prevent all of this from happening as fast as possible. It could have been written a bit better, but otherwise it's fairly logical to prevent all this shit from happening. And given how events unfolded there was no time to think - everything was going down the drain and everything that was done was only making situation worse. Who knows what could had happened, if Raiden waited more?

I think from Raiden's position (as much as I can of course), and his actions look failrly logical. And I don't approach your arguments from postion, that you will be wrong every time, it would have been very stupid. During MK3 segment there was no time to analyze events. Raiden must have acted there and then.

As for MK2 segment - cyborgs appearance didn't had anything to do with Elder Gods. They weren't representatives of the Earth or legal part of the competition. So, they were under Kahn's jurisdiction. After Lao's murder it was normal reaction of somebody with emotions.

The end of the world wasn't hypothetical and medallion was proove of it. So, there.


However, in critical and hopeless situations people prone to panic and rushed decisions. I think NRS overdid bad consequences of Raiden's decision, however, they had nothing to do with his character. Killing Motaro = powered up Sindel: yeah, sure, verrrrry predictable.


Your reasoning is weak. Powers combined = raged out of control = Liu Kang died. Simple.

It took you 3 days to respond and your choice is to keep arguing instead of letting the thread get back on topic?

Dude, it's not going to happen, just agree to disagree. If the "Raiden haters" MK9 has created bother you, you better learn a way to deal, because that's a personal problem, not an argument you can win.

Let. It. Go.

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I will say the following though, in actual response to your post, because it's so obvious that it bugs me you don't see it:



You're completely missing the point.

Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero was a tournament match and Sub-Zero is an Earthrealm competitor who was about to win his match, and afterward, could theoretically have gone on to continue competing and potentially win the tournament.

ANY outside interference, it doesn't matter from who, is against the rules of the tournament (which were created by the Elder Gods), it doesn't matter where the cyborgs come from, whether they're on Raiden's side, Kahn's, or neutral is irrelevant. What matters is a Mortal Kombat tournament match was interfered with, which has to be forbidden, otherwise Outworld could win every goddamn fight in the tournament by having a gang of dudes come out of nowhere and dogpile Raiden's fighter each time. That's just common sense.
And Shao Kahn states out loud more than once in the story that he's not willing to break the rules of the tournament because he believes if he did, there would be reprisal from the Elder Gods, until the invasion where Quan Chi convinces him otherwise. If Raiden had made a genuine effort to defend one of HIS realm's warriors from being abducted in the middle of a god damned Mortal Kombat tournament, Shao Kahn would've HAD to concede.

I wasn't in the mood to answer to you. I am not sure how about you, but I don't treat this discussion very seriously - it's not matter of life and death or something worth to break my head about. I am not sure about you, though. Your opinion is your opinion, however, I prefer to state what I am thinking about the matter. It doesn't really bother me if it be possible to sway you you from your beliefs or not. I am just stating another point of view. :-p


It seems I missed part of the game where it was declared, that Sub-Zero was actual participant of the tournament. Wait...There was no such part!!! He just appeared in the Colliseum and demanded fight with the Scorpion. And that's it.

Basically Sub-Zero wasn't part of the tournament to begin with. As well as Scorpion. Kuai Liang wasn't part of the Raiden's crew and he arrived to the Outworld with his own agenda and hadn't interacted with Raiden and his allies. Since he wasn't legal part of the competition, Kahn's intervetion had nothing to do with breaking rules of the tournament or violating will of Elder Gods. He dealt away with intruder as he saw fit and that's it.

Tsk, tsk, tsk. It seems you clasping at straws to defend your porsition.

Yeah, "just appearing" after the tournament's already started is the same way Kung Lao and Ermac entered the first tournament, and Smoke did the same goddamn thing off-screen in the second tournament after he joined up with Raiden, as evidenced by Raiden telling Liu Kang and Kung Lao they must fight because Johnny and Smoke have been eliminated.

Funny how that works.

It's clearly demonstrated multiple times that if Shang lets you in a fight, it means you're in the tournament now.

Shang and Kahn let Kuai Liang in the tournament the moment they put him up against Reptile and Scorpion. And because Kuai Liang is from Earthrealm, his win would count for Earthrealm if he WERE to have continued fighting after beating Scorpion and won the tournament, whether he talked to Raiden and joined his team or not - though we know from the old timeline that he WOULD have joined Raiden's team if Raiden had bothered to stand up for the rules of Mortal Kombat and stop the illegal interference that removed him from the tournament.

Again, this is a common sense matter. You can't pull that "grasping at straws" line when it's as obvious as 2+2=4, dude. You're just being stubborn 'cause you don't want to "lose" the argument. What's the point of that? Nobody's going to laugh at you if just once, you admit "Okay, in that one instance, Raiden's actions didn't make sense, they clearly couldn't think of any better way to write the moment where saving Smoke from becoming a robot causes Sub-Zero to accidentally take his place, the plot they wanted to have happen forced them into a corner."

While it is evident in case of Shang and his tournament, it was not so obvious in case of Kahn and his competition. He allowed Sub-Zero take part in tournament, he disqualified him later. It's strange approach to the rules, sure, but it can be justified.
Anything else is speculation, whicn while can be based on the certain evidences do not have conclusive proove. It's not 2x2=4 situation.

Having rewatched the season a couple of times, I have to say that it's still not quite as bad as I initially felt. One good thing about season 2 is the usage of music in giving that nice ambiance, especially when the heroes and villains (especially the villains) arrive on Shang Tsung's island. That alone got me more excited than the bullshit in MK9. Although the fights were on the shorter side, the one thing is that there wasn't as much usage of the slo-mo effect, saving it for key moments, which is how it should be used.

I think that if there wasn't as much focus on the Liu Kang/Kung Lao sub-plot and more focus on other characters, particularly Shang Tsung, Raiden, and Stryker, the season could have been much better. I still love the scene between Shang Tsung and Liu Kang in episode 9, and it made me want to see more of Cary Tagawa. If you're going to get someone like him to reprise his role, go all-out as much as possible by giving that backstory, especially to show the parallel between him and Liu Kang.

For me, the whole season was a flop. The tournament was treated like some back alley brawl with no rules. It felt small.

The tournament is meant to be a big deal. It's meant to be Earth's last chance at survival. But there was no system in the how battles were chosen.

So say if Group 1) decided to break up and explore the Island, Group 2) deciding to stick together, then Group 2) could just find lonely members of Group 1) and gang-bash them till they wipe them all out 1 by 1.

I just didn't like how the series was set up or the way the tournament was shown as... Some street bumfight.