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RazorsEdge701
09/29/2013 11:33 AM (UTC)
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I'm pretty sure it actually has a subtitle that says "Feudal Japan" or "the Feudal Era" or something like that on the screen sometimes during the Scorpion/Sub-Zero flashbacks.
And the Kenshi flashback had an actual year on the screen.
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09/29/2013 12:58 PM (UTC)
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I don't mind some of those changes. Kenshi's backstory makes more sense when he's from feudal Japan. And you can always explain that it's the sword that kept him young.

What bothers me are the changes to Sub-Zero and Scorpion. I admit it's probably less silly to have them from feudal Japan as well, so you can have them running around like classic Ninjas. But it makes no sense that both of them got recruited in feudal Japan for the Mortal Kombat Tournament, but they only meet hundreds of years later.

And it also makes no sense that both are the Leaders of their clans. That's just messes with some things. Like the Lin Kuei Cyborg Project. This Sub-Zero doesn't strike me as the type of guy that would give the order to turn his Clan members into soulless machines.
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Immortal_Kanji
09/29/2013 01:41 PM (UTC)
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Next season... better bring out...

- Sonya
- Kano
- Jax
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- Baraka

And I wonder about Liu. They better switch his actor! If he meets Kitana, she'll change his life.
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09/29/2013 01:56 PM (UTC)
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RedSumac Wrote:
Riyakou Wrote:
Scorpion and Sub-Zero were not set in Feudal Japan.

The series showed that the present was only twenty years after the separation of their friendship.

I am sorry, but the description of the episode itself prooves you wrong:
Description of the Episode 7:
Flashback to feudal Japan, where Scorpion, his wife and his son are waylaid on the road by Sub Zero's angry younger brother. Scorpion is forced to kill him to protect his family. In the aftermath, Scorpion and Sub Zero attempt to renew a childhood friendship and form a truce between their warring clans.


Shit, I read "20 Year Later" as "20 Years Ago."

Oh well, it is what it is. It's a alternate universe, to say, so I think we should accept it as such.

It seems there are going to be many alternate realities for Mortal Kombat now.
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09/29/2013 04:09 PM (UTC)
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They do. Not as frequently as in this show though. At least people my age. I don't know how old you are. And it made the dialogue jilted and unnatural. It felt like it was written by teenagers that think cursing that much is cool.


I honestly didn't notice all the cursing until i read the comments and saw people complaining about it. I don't want to speak for all people in their mid-late 20's, but I swear probably just as much as they did in the movie. I was really surprised that people were shocked Mileena, the blood thirsty half tarkatan, would use a curse word lol. I would imagine she would have a mouth like a sailor.
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09/29/2013 05:10 PM (UTC)
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That was, most of the time, lame.

I liked the visuals and cinematography (some shots were really beautiful), the soundtrack is great. Scorpion, Mileena and Kitana looks beter than in any games IMO

But the whole thing didn't make sense at all. The tournament looks like crap, all the characters appear and randomly fight like morons on an island. There's only a few fighters so it feels empty.

The story is awfully built, we keep bouncing between many time periods and it gets confusing. The fight scenes are good but too short.

Also, did Kevin Tancharoen even do some research before picking it's actors? I mean, they are in feudal Japan and young Scorpion is portrayed by a Korean teenager, his soon has curly hair (he looks half Moroccan or something, while Scorpion and his wife are white skinned and straight haired as hell), Kung Lao is portrayed by a Mexican guy (even though I like the actor), sorry but it doesn't feels authentic to me. Johnny Cage also looks like total shit. What happened to the first season's awesome Johnny Cage? Ermac looks like an old witch and Sub Zerro looks like a biker.

I really hope the movie is going to be better than this.
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MortalGeek
09/29/2013 05:13 PM (UTC)
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I especially detest Halloween-Ermac and Bald-Kung Lao.
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09/29/2013 06:19 PM (UTC)
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Since I can't stand the odd movements the season's story has from episode to episode, I've decided to create a revised full-length version of the season.

I've already done pretty much all of the editing, but the minor slits and cuts are driving me insane. Anyhoo, I already find this sort of 'film' to be more satisfying to watch than the episodes. I can't wait 'til it's finished so I can watch it from beginning to end.

I think a person who's never seen Legacy could probably watch my revision without any confusion... or so I hope. lol
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09/29/2013 06:34 PM (UTC)
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I just hope they make Scorpion and Sub-Zero present day Ninjas again. We can have the League of Shadows in Batman Begins, so we should be able to have 2 hidden present day Ninja Clans in a Mortal Kombat Movie.
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RazorsEdge701
09/29/2013 06:50 PM (UTC)
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Nathan Wrote:
I admit it's probably less silly to have them from feudal Japan as well, so you can have them running around like classic Ninjas.


Given that having ninjas and hidden temples around worked just fine in Batman Begins, Ninja Assassin, and GI Joe: Retaliation, I would say that the unexplained seems-to-be-time-travel going on in Legacy is much more silly than the concept of ninjas living in the present day is.
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09/29/2013 07:00 PM (UTC)
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As big fan if Bi-Han as Sub-Zero I was pleasantly surprised, that this time around he was THE Sub-Zero of the story.

Kuai Liang is certainly main Sub-Zero of the games, but it doesn't mean, that is should be true for other incarantions of the franchise, no matter what his fans say. Also, after the events of MKL2 there are currently no Sub-Zero at all, but I expect appearance of the Noob AND Saibot in the next season (if it appear). As for the lack of Sub-Zero, they can create completely new character with that name or use Frost, as replacement. But I don't think it will happen, Sub-Zero is too famous to write him out completely from the story.
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1C3RLOKO
09/30/2013 12:18 AM (UTC)
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I hope KT brings back kuai laing in season 3 saying hes not dead went to another part of the clan , meets smoke hears of his brothers death by scorpion and wants revenge, goes after him with out clan promission, and cyrax and sector are sent after him for desertion
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09/30/2013 04:52 AM (UTC)
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MKL2 was a good take on the fanchise.

Liu Kang: Great loved the darker tone and take on him. it was great to see the Hero arktype he usually has taken away. Loved the fire ball affect. would have liked to see more moves.

Raiden:Not bad he was raiden to me cant complain. and no im not gonna complain about the beard lol. to me it didnt bother me

Kitana and Mileena were great loved the fight and to see Kitans classic fatality used was awesome.

Johnny Cage: was hilarious i mena i did want to see more specieal abilities raiden talked about like shadow kick and maybe the green force ball but his personallity was great

Stryker could have had more but cant complain with what they gave him

Ermac: loved his moves the way they did his voices

Kenshi: great except the moving through time aspect

Shang Tsung:Flawless Victory

Kung Lao:Loved seeing the hat and use of his ending pose

Scorpian and Sub-zero: ok i go into these thing that are adaptations Like i do everytime i watch an X-Men Movie (big X-Fan) with the thought of knowing things are different. I do however want a sembalance of characters being who they are and what not. Scorpian i didnt have gripes it was the reversal and killing both of Sub-zero i cant overlook plus just like Kenshi moving from Fetal Japan to modern day was really unnessarry

Overall though i liked it. However it ended without resolution. I mean a show season can have a clifhanger but we were promiced the Mortal Kombat Tournament. Not a slip season where season 2-3 is the tournament. Idk maybe i just wanted the season to be a little longer to show the winner taking on i guess shang since goro isnt there. and i would have liked the participents to know that they fight Outworld or whatever.

i liked it but it could have been better and considering the episodes were really short the flashbacks took away from present day portions alot
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09/30/2013 05:44 AM (UTC)
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About the ethnicity problem.


Japan has a considerable amount of Koreans in it, it is the first minority after the natives. They are even more than the real natives, the Ainu.

Second: you truly think that Japan only extends/extended to the four main island and the other smaller ones? For a great deal of time Korea was part of it. Then Manchuria, which is in our present day a part of Siberia.

So there.
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09/30/2013 05:50 AM (UTC)
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And shaolin who are members and no laymen have to shave their heads.

So there.

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09/30/2013 07:18 AM (UTC)
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I'm totally reaching because I'm a reacher, but I saw an homeage to Kitana's MK2 ending in one shot. I recognized it instantly, but yeah, I hope this code works lol.
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09/30/2013 10:47 AM (UTC)
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K-Tanch Wrote:
'm flattered that everyone thought we had a bigger budget this season...but we actually had a little less.

https://twitter.com/KTANCH/status/384457873608036352

Now, I guess it explains some things...
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09/30/2013 03:23 PM (UTC)
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Now that explains why the Sub-Zero vs Scorpion fight was so disappointing, compared to the first Season. The specials didn't look nearly as awesome.
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10/01/2013 12:36 AM (UTC)
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Okay...so.....

- Time Traveling thing has already been talked about to death so no point in bringing that up. Hope like hell it's explained in Season 3.

- I liked the setup Scorpion/Sub-Zero had in Season 1. What they brought about in Season 2 seemed disjointed....especially now that both SB brothers are dead.

- Loved Kenshi, to be honest. They got the whole vibe of him going from cocky warrior out to prove himself to solemn and thoughtful loner samurai down nicely. The initial fight with Ermac was kind of a cop-out though. Time constraints. Whatever.

- Huh, Evil!Liu Kang. Interesting take. Seems forced though.

- Loved Kung Lao's tournament outfit. Hated his stiff personality.

- Cary-Hiroyuki motherfucking Tagawa! I admit....I squeed.

- Uh, not loving how little they did with Stryker....or the fact they changed his actor. In fact, I think Casper Van Dien is the only replacement I liked.

- Cursing aside, I like Van Dien as Johnny Cage. It felt fluid.

- Okay, I know they didn't get Jeri Ryan back as Sonya, but come on. So few of the characters from Season 1 came back. No Jax, Kano, Sektor, Cyrax or Quan Chi. Season 1 built up these characters, only to leave them incredibly absent in Season 2....making Season 2 feel even more disconnected from the first. Honestly, they could be two different series and it'd be plausible.

- Kitana and Mileena seemed rushed. Loved the fight between them, but it was too short and then never gotten back to.

- Uh, we sure that was Raiden? Seriously, you could have told me we was any other mook character and it'd be believable. Nothing done with him that couldn't have been done with someone else.

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So overall, Season 2 was underwhelming and more than a little confusing. Some great characters, some better than others, that just either got only a little bit of screen time or way too much exposition. The episodes were short and kind of jumpy. Overall, after the awesome that Season 1 brought, this was just kind of a let-down in most aspects except a few character spotlights.

Season 3 needs to pick up the slack in a bad way.
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10/01/2013 02:18 AM (UTC)
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shrairyuwarrior Wrote:

Scorpian and Sub-zero: ok i go into these thing that are adaptations Like i do everytime i watch an X-Men Movie (big X-Fan) with the thought of knowing things are different. I do however want a sembalance of characters being who they are and what not. Scorpian i didnt have gripes it was the reversal and killing both of Sub-zero i cant overlook plus just like Kenshi moving from Fetal Japan to modern day was really unnessarry



Fetal Japan? gringringrin
I may be rusty on my history. I wasn't aware that Japan was, at one point, a fetus. How big was that uterus?
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10/01/2013 05:09 AM (UTC)
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Lol yeah i typed to fast and didn't spell check
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10/01/2013 05:17 AM (UTC)
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What bothers me are the changes to Sub-Zero and Scorpion. I admit it's probably less silly to have them from feudal Japan as well, so you can have them running around like classic Ninjas. But it makes no sense that both of them got recruited in feudal Japan for the Mortal Kombat Tournament, but they only meet hundreds of years later.


Precisely this. That's pretty much the only issue that I've had with this whole season. Although if someone could come up with a reasonable theory/justification for it, I'd love to hear it.


Also, I'm hoping there will be some elaboration on just when and how Liu Kang and Shang Tsung had a chance to meet and fight, 10 years before the tournament.
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10/01/2013 02:19 PM (UTC)
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With Sub-Zero, the only explanation I can come up with is that Earth must simply have won all these years. So that's why he's still well and alive in present day.

For Scorpion, who knows. Maybe he had to spent some time in the Netherrealm, to gather his strength in order to turn into a powerful spectre. And sometimes, in various media, it's said that time flows slower in hell. So maybe the same applies to MK's version of hell.
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MartyKirra
10/01/2013 03:50 PM (UTC)
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I had watched this the other day in one sitting and it's clear at some point they decided to just release it all, hence why they have these "previously on" segments and the logo randomly popping up in the middle of the episode, though you think they would've gone back and just edited it all together instead of making it episodic. Maybe they get more views this way? Who knows.

Honestly, most of the episodes here didn't sit well with me. For a reboot taking place in it's own universe, you think they wouldn't rely on knowledge from the main series to put pieces together. A huge example of this is the whole Kenshi/Ermac thing. Why was he blinded? How did he apparently win that first fight in the cave? How is he in modern times now? A lot of these issues have been pointed out already in this thread, but I think on my first watch-through, that stuck out the most.

As for the episodes...a lot of filler going on. I like the added depth Johnny Cage got in his flashbacks concerning the "hallucinations" he was getting, but Matt Mullins pulled off Cage way better in the first season, and I was sad when I heard he had been recasted. The guy is an excellent martial artist. I wasn't too impressed with Casper Van Dien and he was one of my negative points this season. He didn't really seem to capture the Cage aura and he kind of just seemed to be phoning it in. I think I can blame the script and direction on this one, but I'd love to see Matt back in the movie if that becomes a thing.

The Liu Kang story arc was refreshing, but honestly the "grim-dark" feel of it really took away. I don't mind Liu being a anti-hero or outright villain, but give the guy a break. They really needed to start the show off with his flashback at the diner, then move forward from there, because we start the show with this angry drunk dude and we have no idea why he is that way, making it hard to directly relate to him. It didn't help that Kung Lao was unrelatable, so there's literally no characters besides possibly Cage or Stryker who the audience can relate to. Which is fine in the long run, as long as we have characters we care about. We don't really have a good reason to care about Liu Kang or even the tournament, seeing as it got little to no expansion.

The flashbacks were annoying too, I was hoping this would be an all-out tournament arc so we can maximize on the fighting between characters, with some adventuring in-between, but instead they spent all 10 episodes building up to this fight between Kung Lao and Liu Kang that just never happened...? C'mon guys.

My one last major gripe is Stryker. If you're going to get someone as cool as Eric Jacobus to play Stryker, at least spend time developing him and such. I wanted to see more fight scenes with him because Eric has incredible talent and is an awesome guy. Hopefully Season 3, if that becomes a thing ever.

Overall, my consensus on this season is "eh". I liked the fight choreography in Season 1 a lot better, some of the recasts felt pretty bleh (Johnny Cage, Raiden who...didn't really do anything?), the story is barely there for anyone except Cage, Sub/Scorp, and Kitana/Mileena, it just needed a lot of work. Which is sad, the set up for this season was pretty great, but I feel like it was wasted on empty, non-linear story telling.

At least the Ermac/Kenshi fight was cool...?
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AphexTwin
10/01/2013 05:06 PM (UTC)
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Guys, who cares what the costumes look like when there are serious plot holes? Isn't the story a bit more important than the aesthetics?

Also, why is it a bad thing that Scorpion did Sub-Zero's fatality?
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